Michael Brown shooting: Ferguson jury reaches verdict

[DM07]

There were black witnesses that told the grand jury the culprit turned and charged at the cop.

They were not on facebook or TV telling the story.

This is confirmed by physical evidence.

His blood was found 30' beyond where his body lay.

This is proof he came back towards the cop.

Consider, moments before he assaulted the cop and was suspect in a robbery.

Next time you rob a Mini Mart, don't go strutting down the middle of the road, smashing cops in the face.

His blood was found 30' away...and that means, he was charging?

It means, he came back...and that is it!

I don't care if there where "black" witnesses or green witnesses.

There were a lot of BS- witnesses.

There are some very credible ones, though, f.e. the contractors that were captured on video.

Look up the video, look at their reaction.

To me, it seems like no one was charging at anybody.

[chuckd]

There were black witnesses that told the grand jury the culprit turned and charged at the cop.

They were not on facebook or TV telling the story.

This is confirmed by physical evidence.

His blood was found 30' beyond where his body lay.

This is proof he came back towards the cop.

Consider, moments before he assaulted the cop and was suspect in a robbery.

Next time you rob a Mini Mart, don't go strutting down the middle of the road, smashing cops in the face.

There were two families of black citizens that saw the entire incident from their vans.

They testified to the Grand Jury and supported Wilson's side of the story. Their identity has not been made public nor should it be.

They will be under death threats for telling the truth if they go public

The myth that Wilson is 6'4" comes from the Daily Mail in an article penned by Piers Morgan. I don't know about the Mail, but Morgan certainly has an agenda.

I have heard Wilson's height anywhere from 5'11" to 6'1" before the Morgan expose'. Up to you as to which one you believe.

[WillLangdon]

He ran.

A violent robbery suspect that had just punched out this cop runs away, then turned, went back toward the cop 30 feet before he was felled.

By by.

[jpinx]

The whole episode is now in la-la land with every news reporter and analyst having their own version for the benefit of their ratings and their ego. Basically freedom of the press at it's worst. Either you believe the grand jury or you don't. If you don't believe the grand jury -- who do you believe? They had the evidence and witnesses, but they're not posting here -- just a load of barstool critics with nothing else to do. (me included - today ) haha!!

[NeverSure]

In his own words: he was chasing Brown, shooting at him FROM BEHIND!

And concerning consistent and credible eye- witnesses, Brown was not "charging" at Willson through a rain of bullets.

He had his hands up!

-snip-

Let's take just those two statements.

There were no bullet wounds in Brown's back.

Four of the bullet wounds were to the front of his arms and the trajectory shows that the arms were down.

One of the bullet wounds, and perhaps the last one, was to the top of the head which only could have happened if Brown was head down charging as some witnesses and the officer claimed.

Ballistic experts claim the last shots were fired at less than ten feet.

You don't know what "credible witnesses" said because you weren't in the room. The appropriate people to make that claim were on the grand jury. It's also apparent that you haven't been following the most recent news on the subject.

[Publicus]

Thanksgiving Day is upon us and so are the turkeys so enjoy the feasting but there are some celebrants out there who need to go easy on the stuffing.

Physician, heal thyself.

Luke 4:23

Who is Luke?

A doctor or something??

Given your history of posts, Luke is probably a witch doctor.

The time is exact but strangely unclear, and today of course isn't the best day....maybe some other time

Thx anyway for your considerate recommendation.

Have a good one!

witch doctor

noun

: a person in some cultures who is believed to have magic powers and to be able to cure illness and fight off evil spirits, curses, etc.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/witch%20doctor

P.S.: Sure you didn't mean John 4:23? He's anyway another riot.

[DM07]

In his own words: he was chasing Brown, shooting at him FROM BEHIND!

And concerning consistent and credible eye- witnesses, Brown was not "charging" at Willson through a rain of bullets.

He had his hands up!

-snip-

Let's take just those two statements.

There were no bullet wounds in Brown's back.

Four of the bullet wounds were to the front of his arms and the trajectory shows that the arms were down.

One of the bullet wounds, and perhaps the last one, was to the top of the head which only could have happened if Brown was head down charging as some witnesses and the officer claimed.

Ballistic experts claim the last shots were fired at less than ten feet.

You don't know what "credible witnesses" said because you weren't in the room. The appropriate people to make that claim were on the grand jury. It's also apparent that you haven't been following the most recent news on the subject.

He was shooting at him- where did anyone say, he shot him from the back?

But if I would be running from a cop, who starts shooting at me, maybe I would think :"Oh...that man is shooting at me! Maybe I better stop and surrender!" so I'd stop and raise my hands and better turn around, right?!

It was in the top of his head, because he was already injured and possibly on his way down...because he'd been <deleted>' SHOT!

Oh, I have been following the recent news, obviously not the ones you followed.

[jpinx]

Interesting map of the scene at the bottom of this page

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-30221838

[NeverSure]

The USA isn't "pulling itself apart" any more than England is pulling itself apart with its influx of foreigners or any more than Thailand is with its upheavals in government and in the South. It isn't pulling itself apart any more than the EU is pulling itself apart.

There are always conflicts in this world. Some are foreign and some are domestic.

The US was born in blood and will always have blood. Other countries which weren't born in blood are beginning to have blood.

This is actually statically a tiny incident in a nation of more than 300 million people which has the world's third largest population. If some people with national voices didn't whip this up we never would have heard of it. If the deceased was white or the officer black we never would have heard of it.

While the grand jury was deliberating, about 8,000 Americans died on the highways. We didn't hear about that. Annually about 10 people in a 100,000 die in a road accident. Thats still 32,000 people and no one panics.

It's just a really big country and the odds are that a lot of things, good and bad, are going to happen. It will be in the news because it is the largest country by economy, the largest by usable land mass, the largest by natural resources, the largest militarily, and almost any thing that happens is news.

When the population does not accept the findings of the judicial system, that is surely a bad thing. Whether it is seen as the country pulling itself apart or not depends on from where one is looking. Comparisons are odious at best, and usually very misleading. The numbers of people who find themselves to be victims or perpetrators of these incidents is easily arguably far higher in USA than any other country - as a proportion of the total population.

"When the population does not accept the findings of the judicial system, that is surely a bad thing."

What percent of the 320,000,000 population are you discussing? "The population" is largely going about its normal business. A TINY, MINISCULE, percentage of the population decided it was party time and that they'd loot (read steal) and burn and destroy. Maybe they wanted their 15 minutes of fame.

If the media didn't blow this out of proportion it would have blown over by now, and I can assure you that the majority of the population thinks those rioters are low-lifes which they are.

[DM07]

The USA isn't "pulling itself apart" any more than England is pulling itself apart with its influx of foreigners or any more than Thailand is with its upheavals in government and in the South. It isn't pulling itself apart any more than the EU is pulling itself apart.

There are always conflicts in this world. Some are foreign and some are domestic.

The US was born in blood and will always have blood. Other countries which weren't born in blood are beginning to have blood.

This is actually statically a tiny incident in a nation of more than 300 million people which has the world's third largest population. If some people with national voices didn't whip this up we never would have heard of it. If the deceased was white or the officer black we never would have heard of it.

While the grand jury was deliberating, about 8,000 Americans died on the highways. We didn't hear about that. Annually about 10 people in a 100,000 die in a road accident. Thats still 32,000 people and no one panics.

It's just a really big country and the odds are that a lot of things, good and bad, are going to happen. It will be in the news because it is the largest country by economy, the largest by usable land mass, the largest by natural resources, the largest militarily, and almost any thing that happens is news.

When the population does not accept the findings of the judicial system, that is surely a bad thing. Whether it is seen as the country pulling itself apart or not depends on from where one is looking. Comparisons are odious at best, and usually very misleading. The numbers of people who find themselves to be victims or perpetrators of these incidents is easily arguably far higher in USA than any other country - as a proportion of the total population.

"When the population does not accept the findings of the judicial system, that is surely a bad thing."

What percent of the 320,000,000 population are you discussing? "The population" is largely going about its normal business. A TINY, MINISCULE, percentage of the population decided it was party time and that they'd loot (read steal) and burn and destroy. Maybe they wanted their 15 minutes of fame.

If the media didn't blow this out of proportion it would have blown over by now, and I can assure you that the majority of the population thinks those rioters are low-lifes which they are.

Yeah...the bad media again!

And the social media!

I really wish, they'd shut up.

Things would be so much easier...

[thailiketoo]

As anyone who knows the St Louis area knows it is too hot in the summer and too cold in the winter. It's a wet bone chilling cold.

Now they have snow and all the folks will go home soon. It's just too darn cold to run around outside and loot and pillage.

Maybe Vikings could handle it but off hand I can't think of any other marauding group who could handle the weather.

Edited November 27, 2014 by thailiketoo

[Asiantravel]

The USA isn't "pulling itself apart" any more than England is pulling itself apart with its influx of foreigners or any more than Thailand is with its upheavals in government and in the South. It isn't pulling itself apart any more than the EU is pulling itself apart.

There are always conflicts in this world. Some are foreign and some are domestic.

The US was born in blood and will always have blood. Other countries which weren't born in blood are beginning to have blood.

This is actually statically a tiny incident in a nation of more than 300 million people which has the world's third largest population. If some people with national voices didn't whip this up we never would have heard of it. If the deceased was white or the officer black we never would have heard of it.

While the grand jury was deliberating, about 8,000 Americans died on the highways. We didn't hear about that. Annually about 10 people in a 100,000 die in a road accident. Thats still 32,000 people and no one panics.

It's just a really big country and the odds are that a lot of things, good and bad, are going to happen. It will be in the news because it is the largest country by economy, the largest by usable land mass, the largest by natural resources, the largest militarily, and almost any thing that happens is news.

When the population does not accept the findings of the judicial system, that is surely a bad thing. Whether it is seen as the country pulling itself apart or not depends on from where one is looking. Comparisons are odious at best, and usually very misleading. The numbers of people who find themselves to be victims or perpetrators of these incidents is easily arguably far higher in USA than any other country - as a proportion of the total population.

"When the population does not accept the findings of the judicial system, that is surely a bad thing."

What percent of the 320,000,000 population are you discussing? "The population" is largely going about its normal business. A TINY, MINISCULE, percentage of the population decided it was party time and that they'd loot (read steal) and burn and destroy. Maybe they wanted their 15 minutes of fame.

If the media didn't blow this out of proportion it would have blown over by now, and I can assure you that the majority of the population thinks those rioters are low-lifes which they are.

“the majority of the population thinks those rioters are low-lifes which they are.”

Well, that in itself should be a huge worry for USA?

[Asiantravel]

It's so sad to see the USA pull itself apart like this, but it has to be said that they made their own bed, and now they're finding it not so comfortable.

Education is always the key -- as it is in Thailand. Make education something that kids actually want and the next generation will not have similar problems. How many improvements to education could be achieved with the money that is currently going on military operations in other peoples countries? I know that's simplistic, but it's also symptomatic. Politicans want to have an impact and education doesn't have the ability to grab the headlines.

The USA isn't "pulling itself apart" any more than England is pulling itself apart with its influx of foreigners or any more than Thailand is with its upheavals in government and in the South. It isn't pulling itself apart any more than the EU is pulling itself apart.

There are always conflicts in this world. Some are foreign and some are domestic.

The US was born in blood and will always have blood. Other countries which weren't born in blood are beginning to have blood.

This is actually statically a tiny incident in a nation of more than 300 million people which has the world's third largest population. If some people with national voices didn't whip this up we never would have heard of it. If the deceased was white or the officer black we never would have heard of it.

While the grand jury was deliberating, about 8,000 Americans died on the highways. We didn't hear about that. Annually about 10 people in a 100,000 die in a road accident. Thats still 32,000 people and no one panics.

It's just a really big country and the odds are that a lot of things, good and bad, are going to happen. It will be in the news because it is the largest country by economy, the largest by usable land mass, the largest by natural resources, the largest militarily, and almost any thing that happens is news.

When the population does not accept the findings of the judicial system, that is surely a bad thing. Whether it is seen as the country pulling itself apart or not depends on from where one is looking. Comparisons are odious at best, and usually very misleading. The numbers of people who find themselves to be victims or perpetrators of these incidents is easily arguably far higher in USA than any other country - as a proportion of the total population.

http://heyjackass.com/

Edited November 27, 2014 by Asiantravel

[jpinx]

It's so sad to see the USA pull itself apart like this, but it has to be said that they made their own bed, and now they're finding it not so comfortable.

Education is always the key -- as it is in Thailand. Make education something that kids actually want and the next generation will not have similar problems. How many improvements to education could be achieved with the money that is currently going on military operations in other peoples countries? I know that's simplistic, but it's also symptomatic. Politicans want to have an impact and education doesn't have the ability to grab the headlines.

The USA isn't "pulling itself apart" any more than England is pulling itself apart with its influx of foreigners or any more than Thailand is with its upheavals in government and in the South. It isn't pulling itself apart any more than the EU is pulling itself apart.

There are always conflicts in this world. Some are foreign and some are domestic.

The US was born in blood and will always have blood. Other countries which weren't born in blood are beginning to have blood.

This is actually statically a tiny incident in a nation of more than 300 million people which has the world's third largest population. If some people with national voices didn't whip this up we never would have heard of it. If the deceased was white or the officer black we never would have heard of it.

While the grand jury was deliberating, about 8,000 Americans died on the highways. We didn't hear about that. Annually about 10 people in a 100,000 die in a road accident. Thats still 32,000 people and no one panics.

It's just a really big country and the odds are that a lot of things, good and bad, are going to happen. It will be in the news because it is the largest country by economy, the largest by usable land mass, the largest by natural resources, the largest militarily, and almost any thing that happens is news.

When the population does not accept the findings of the judicial system, that is surely a bad thing. Whether it is seen as the country pulling itself apart or not depends on from where one is looking. Comparisons are odious at best, and usually very misleading. The numbers of people who find themselves to be victims or perpetrators of these incidents is easily arguably far higher in USA than any other country - as a proportion of the total population.

http://heyjackass.com/

Unfortunately it seems there are those in USA who view the current president as a "lo-life".

As for the emperical stats on that website -- not really meaningful when not expressed as a %age of the population.

[Publicus]

Grand Jury Call Not the End for Darren Wilson

By Yamiche Alcindor, USA Today

25 November 14

The grand jury, which convened Aug. 20, did not weigh whether Wilson had a justifiable reason to shoot Brown.

"They are not making a decision on Officer Wilson's guilt," said Peter Joy, a criminal defense attorney and law professor at Washington University in St. Louis School of Law.

Brown's family could sue Wilson and the Ferguson Police Department for excessive force and wrongful death, said James Cohen, a professor at Fordham University Law School.

http://readersupportednews.org/news-section2/318-66/27154-grand-jury-call-not-the-end-for-darren-wilson

The Brown family could file a civil suit similar to the O.J. Simpson case in which Simpson was acquitted of homicide but later found liable in a subsequent civil trial.

The Justice Department is pursuing its finding of a prima facie case against the Ferguson PD and the St Louis county PD which trains Ferguson PD police officers, of having a practice and pattern of violating the constitution and U.S. civil rights statutes.

The news article linked in this post discusses how, if DoJ finds the pattern and practice it strongly suspects exists, the issue of training would engulf and sweep through each police department.

Somebody needs to arrest and sue Brown's POS stepfather for inciting a riot by yelling at every to "burn the beotchhh down." Not much wonder why Brown turned out the way he did given the horrible role models in his life.

Any civil case will be subject to Givernmental Tort Liability Act so they will remain food stampers regardless if the file a civil suit. They ain't getting squat out of that one due to GTLA and based on witness interviews I read. BTW, OJ was acquitted in a criminal trial which had a much higher burden than a GJ proceeding. If they couldn't get a GJ to indict, fat chance getting a civil award when there are good attorneys defending those claims.

The post is by another lawyer with a legal and personal opinion, which is fine given what it is.

Yes, O.J. Simpson did go to trial and yes he faced a much greater burden than Wilson did at the grand jury hosted by his close pal and new best buddy Robert McCulloch.

Simpson charmed a petite jury of 9 blacks, 1 Hispanic, 2 whites while Wilson had a an equal number to dazzle on his grand jury consisting of 9 whites and three blacks. Each jury turned out to be of an equal number so it might remain a rhetorical formality as to which was petite and which might have been grand.

As with most homicide defendants, Simpson chose not to take the stand. Wilson in contrast enjoyed the rare hospitality of having been invited to testify before the grand jury by his newest chum and strongest supporter, the prosecutor for the defense Robert McCulloch.

McCulloch had no opposing counsel whereas Simpson's dream team of criminal defense lawyers did have to face a team of public prosecutors that simply bungled the case. Wilson conversely had his own personal team of lawyers, his A Team of lawyers but Wilson also had a B Team of defense lawyers headed by McCulloch himself. Two for the price of one.

A DoJ study shows that over a long stretch of time federal grand juries nationwide issued indictments in all but 11 instances of 162,000 grand jury sittings. That's a rate of 99.9% and everyone around seems to agree McCulloch is a masterful state prosecutor.

Oh dear God, stop with the OJ bs. Unbelievable evidence of guilt in OJ case followed by him taking off in his Bronco with police following him. Read the transcripts of the evidence presented to the GJ in the Brown case. Unbelievable evidence supporting officer's actions. The facts are pretty compelling and definitely support the GJ's findings. You incessantly talk nonsense, which is perhaps the norm for internet forums, but you talk no facts and sound as if you refused to actually read the real evidence and not the social network and media ramblings of other loons with agendas.

The fact remains, if Brown had been white this would not have gone to the GJ. The evidence was not there, but they had to present to the GJ due to the powder keg racial issues fueled by Obama and Holder. The reason they did not indict is because the case should have never been presented in the first place. Prosecutors typically only present cases to the GJ where they know they can get an indictment.

The fact remains, if Brown had been white this would not have gone to the GJ

The fact remains Michael Brown was black. 'If' is an attempt to escape to unreality, because 'if' Treyvon Martin had been white....but the reality and the fact is that Treyvon Martin was black too, period.

So make a genuine effort to recognize the fact, accept the reality, deal with the significance of it in every respect to include socially, culturally, in politics and as an integral part of United States history. Denial gets people exactly nowhere and makes them appear to be not only plaintive but also evasive and, moreover, dreary, self-righteous, petulant.

Slavery existed for 300 years until a bloody civil war ended it. Racist lawful institutional discrimination carried on for another 100 years. The Civil Rights Act of 1964 marked a radical turning point as did the Voting Rights Act of 1965. If slavery had not existed.....

One major and real shortcoming of the Civil Right Act is that it makes federal prosecution in instances of mortal racial conflict literally impossible to pursue, which means that that aspect of the law needs to be amended to enhance the credibility and the relevance of the judicial system and the viability of the institutions of law enforcement to include the extent to which the Act is applicable to everyday real life, as in Ferguson and St Louis county..

It is a sign of some progress that the retrogressive term "reverse racism" has been all but abandoned. Now take the next step of the multi-step recovery process to deal effectively with a long term and profound social and cultural addiction.

[jpinx]

afaict -- In what is a vastly predominantly black area - the cops are predominantly white, so was the Grand Jury. Is there something people are avoiding looking at here?

[thailiketoo]

afaict -- In what is a vastly predominantly black area - the cops are predominantly white, so was the Grand Jury. Is there something people are avoiding looking at here?

The majority of translators in the US army are not native speakers of the new language. It's a top secret clearance problem. However if one looks at the police chiefs of the 5 most dangerous cities in the USA 3 are black.

Edited November 27, 2014 by thailiketoo

[WillLangdon]

There are some very nasty inner-city neighborhoods in the USA. The gangs that live there, think they are at war.

The cops must deal with the dangerous lowlifes every day. Therefore the cops are bitter and on red alert. They can't take any shit and they are trained to win every confrontation.

When some 6'6", 300Lb war machine, robbery/assault suspect reaches inside a police car and punches a cop, bad things should happen.

The cop says there was a struggle for the policeman's gun and I believe it because there was a bullet fired into the car door from inside and gunpowder on the black guys hand.

Like I said earlier, the crybabies picked the wrong case to protest.

Edited November 27, 2014 by WillLangdon

[jpinx]

afaict -- In what is a vastly predominantly black area - the cops are predominantly white, so was the Grand Jury. Is there something people are avoiding looking at here?

The majority of translators in the US army are not native speakers of the new language. It's a top secret clearance problem. However if one looks at the police chiefs of the 5 most dangerous cities in the USA 3 are black.

Not sure of the relevance of the translators, but the top-cop stat is refreshing. Unfortunately(or not) those top-cops, along with the President, are not the ones who actually patrol the streets where the problems are.

[thailiketoo]

afaict -- In what is a vastly predominantly black area - the cops are predominantly white, so was the Grand Jury. Is there something people are avoiding looking at here?

The majority of translators in the US army are not native speakers of the new language. It's a top secret clearance problem. However if one looks at the police chiefs of the 5 most dangerous cities in the USA 3 are black.

Not sure of the relevance of the translators, but the top-cop stat is refreshing. Unfortunately(or not) those top-cops, along with the President, are not the ones who actually patrol the streets where the problems are.

It is difficult to find locals who can get a clearance to be a police officer the same as it difficult to find speakers of certain languages who can get a top secret clearance so the army has to train people to speak the language instead of using native speakers in many cases.

[Ulysses G.]

The fact remains Michael Brown was black. 'If' is an attempt to escape to unreality, because 'if' Treyvon Martin had been white....but the reality and the fact is that Treyvon Martin was black too, period.

Both of them indulged in criminal activities, both had a propensity for violence and both were responsible for their own demise. According to all the evidence, being black is not why they were dispatched.

[sunshine51]

Michael Brown....

His father said he's a "Good Boy"...see link below...

http://abcnews.go.com/US/dad-slain-unarmed-missouri-teen-michael-brown-justice/story?id=24929787

Some folks who knew him labeled Mr. Brown a "Gentle Giant"....no link but widely available on the web,

Google is your friend.

To me...if Michael Brown was such a good boy he wouldn't have done this....

the agro begins at around 1' 28".

Nor would he have robbed the store in the first place had he been a "Good Boy".

There are claims that Michael Brown had a juvenile criminal record. Many Conservative aligned

(right wing) websites state this...

http://www.westernjournalism.com/second-degree-murder-journalist-sues-release-mike-browns-juvenile-records/

However...I had a look at Snopes.com and they cannot confirm or deny that fact, especially since

the records haven't been made public yet or if they will be made public at anytime.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/crime/brown.asp

In an interview with ABC News (US) Officer Darren Wilson went public with the fact that

Michael Brown DID NOT put his hands up in the air as a heap of witnesses initially

stated.....

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/11/25/darren-wilson-interview_n_6220874.html

Plus the Grand Jury's official documents have been released....

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/11/25/us/evidence-released-in-michael-brown-case.html?_r=0

Was Officer Darren Wilson correct in shooting Michael Brown? The Grand Jury didn't bring him up

on any charges. That says something. Many so-called witnesses testimonies to the police and press

were later debunked as pretty much mob agreement en masse...aka...they didn't see anything but

passed on 3rd hand BS for fact.

Do I think Officer Darren Wilson was correct in shooting Michael Brown?

I've never been a L. E O. (law enforcement officer) but I can tell you this,

if I was allowed to carry a firearm and some 6' 4" beefy dude was hell bent

on atacking me for any reason....that dude would receive not just 2 but perhaps

4 in the chest without hesitation or regret or even remorse.

And I do know a few, now retired LEO's, some of them Fed's who would have

done the same.

It seems that Michael Brown was a big feller who liked to throw his weight around

and always have his way...without hesitation, regrets or remorse on his part.

Maybe if he had been a Gentle Giant and a Good Boy, he would still be alive today

and the Incidents in Ferguson and what has followed across America & the world

wouldn't have happened.

And if the press corps would somehow tell the real, true story, instead of sensationalising

the BS....what happened may never have happened. But...being in the media myself

stories like Ferguson & so many other places, increse ratings & make money & in the

end...nobody really cares, not the networks especially....there will be another story along

any time soon...and that's sad. But oh so true.

It's high time people stick up for law enforcement & the rule of law...not berate

those who are risking their lives to protect "society".

[jpinx]

afaict -- In what is a vastly predominantly black area - the cops are predominantly white, so was the Grand Jury. Is there something people are avoiding looking at here?

The majority of translators in the US army are not native speakers of the new language. It's a top secret clearance problem. However if one looks at the police chiefs of the 5 most dangerous cities in the USA 3 are black.

Not sure of the relevance of the translators, but the top-cop stat is refreshing. Unfortunately(or not) those top-cops, along with the President, are not the ones who actually patrol the streets where the problems are.

It is difficult to find locals who can get a clearance to be a police officer the same as it difficult to find speakers of certain languages who can get a top secret clearance so the army has to train people to speak the language instead of using native speakers in many cases.

Indeed !! Which takes me back to my original post in this thread suggesting that education is the key...

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/779128-michael-brown-shooting-ferguson-jury-reaches-verdict/page-9#entry8727089

[WillLangdon]

Everyone agrees the boy giant was out looking for problems that day.

[thailiketoo]

It is difficult to find locals who can get a clearance to be a police officer the same as it difficult to find speakers of certain languages who can get a top secret clearance so the army has to train people to speak the language instead of using native speakers in many cases.

Indeed !! Which takes me back to my original post in this thread suggesting that education is the key...

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/779128-michael-brown-shooting-ferguson-jury-reaches-verdict/page-9#entry8727089

By clearance I meant people who have not been arrested and charged and/or convicted of a crime. Or who have heroes who are gangbangers and not the lone ranger. When I grew up kids watched cowboys on TV now it's videos of people singing about shooting police officers.

[DM07]

The fact remains Michael Brown was black. 'If' is an attempt to escape to unreality, because 'if' Treyvon Martin had been white....but the reality and the fact is that Treyvon Martin was black too, period.

Both of them indulged in criminal activities, both had a propensity for violence and both were responsible for their own demise. According to all the evidence, being black is not why they were dispatched.

Care to enlighten us, in which "criminal activity" Treyvon Martin was engaged?

And what kind of role actually the criminal activity played in the Michael Browne- shooting?

If you are referring to the robbery, Willson was NOT AWARE of that, according to Fergussons very own police- chief.

Or are you referring to jaywalking and talking back to a policeman?

[jpinx]

It is difficult to find locals who can get a clearance to be a police officer the same as it difficult to find speakers of certain languages who can get a top secret clearance so the army has to train people to speak the language instead of using native speakers in many cases.

Indeed !! Which takes me back to my original post in this thread suggesting that education is the key...

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/779128-michael-brown-shooting-ferguson-jury-reaches-verdict/page-9#entry8727089

By clearance I meant people who have not been arrested and charged and/or convicted of a crime. Or who have heroes who are gangbangers and not the lone ranger. When I grew up kids watched cowboys on TV now it's videos of people singing about shooting police officers.

Any number of studies have shown that better education reduces crime

http://phys.org/news/2011-12-lowers-crime.html

.... hence better chances of becoming eligible for clearance to be on a grand jury, or to be a translator.

The Lone Ranger is not pc now -- but then again -- neither is Tom and Jerry

[ABCer]

(quote)

Publicus, #194 -- "Michael Browns parents testify at UN in Geneva: We need answers, mom says"

<deleted> is happening to this crazy World?

A boy robs a shop,

is under influence of whatever shit he was taking,

has an argument (if not a fight?) with a Police officer,

disobeys orders,

threatens people with a handgun (fake?)

Police see the gun and shoots the son of a 'mom'-

Who is now demanding 'answers' from UN!!!

ANYONE who BLAMES the Police officer IS CRAZY.

UN listening to this 'mom' and 'dad' ARE CRAZY, IRRELEVANT and HAVE NOTHING BETTER TO DO.

The whole rigmarole including 'rioting', Judicial inquiry, Judge and Jury is a reflection of the ROT in US society.

Because the whole issue lies in the COLOR of this no good 'child'.

People, WAKE UP! YOU ARE CRAZY!

Stop politicizing the sad event for which the blame must be laid at the feet of the victim (now dead) or his parents (now 'demanding answers' and traveling to Geneva).

IMHO this pious looking couple should be asked many questions and I'm not sure their 'answers' would satisfy Police, Judges and Jury in US. NOT UN!

Edited November 27, 2014 by ABCer

[Chicog]

(quote) Publicus, #194 -- "Michael Browns parents testify at UN in Geneva: We need answers, mom says" <deleted> is happening to this crazy World? A boy robs a shop, is under influence of whatever shit he was taking, has an argument (if not a fight?) with a Police officer, disobeys orders, threatens people with a handgun (fake?) Police see the gun and shoots the son of a 'mom' Who is now demanding 'answers' from UN!!! ANYONE who BLAMES the Police officer IS CRAZY. UN listening to this 'mom' and 'dad' ARE CRAZY, IRRELEVANT and HAVE NOTHING BETTER TO DO. The whole rigmarole including 'rioting', Judicial inquiry, Judge and Jury is a reflection of the ROT in US society. The whole issue lies in the COLOR of this no good 'child'. People, WAKE UP! YOU ARE CRAZY! Stop politicizing the sad event for which the blame must be laid at the feet of the victim (now dead) or his parents (now demanding answers and traveling to Geneva).

Caaaalm down, they're going to get her as well.

Michael Brown’s mother may face felony armed robbery charges: report

Lesley McSpadden allegedly led a group of 20 to 30 people to a tent in a parking lot in Ferguson, Mo. on Oct. 18 to beat and rob vendors selling 'Justice for Michael Brown' merchandise.

Edited November 27, 2014 by Chicog

[Ulysses G.]

If you are referring to the robbery, Willson was NOT AWARE of that, according to Fergussons very own police- chief.

Wrong again. Read the Grand Jury evidence. Officer Wilson WAS AWARE of the robbery.