Former CIB chief demands 3-5 million baht each from officers wanting promotions

[steffi]

Does this call into question all prosecutions under his reign?

[Si Thea01]

It's a pleasure to have seen what's going on, but this is not even scratching the surface. You want a promotion at a school? Pay. Promotion at a bank? Pay. Promotion at the local council? Pay. Promotion anywhere? Pay. Dirty money has taken over the country and, unfortunately, there is no way out.

Millions and millions are involved in some kind of bribery.

" Promotion anywhere? Pay." Don't generalise, not everyone is open to corruption. There are many honest Thais doing a good job without resorting to financial inducements either paying or receiving.

A good and unbiased Post.

A fallacious statement from Garrya. My wife has 28 years in the government education system; had to borrow from the bank to pay for her two degrees and now, although still teaching, holds a senior position, one of three in a very large province, where she examines other teachers for promotion. Tell me, are you saying that she paid bribes to be promoted and is now receiving bribes to promote others. Most TVF posters are intelligent people and understand that there are problems in many areas but with the statement you have made I cannot include you.

Who are you to caste aspersions over such a broad field of workers? You have inside knowledge or are you just another non-intellectual farang writing for the sake of writing without any substance to sustain your offensive post? You might not think it is offensive but I do as my wife has studied and worked very hard to get where she is and for someone, who thinks he knows all, to put into print the garbage you have, only shows how moronic your thinking is.

[dogleg]

This has been the system for the past 1XXX years and probably will be for the next 1XXX years too! This is nothing more than a witch hunt.

You're mixing your metaphors. A "witch hunt" implies a wild search for culprits that don't even really exist, driven by irrational public frenzy. That's hardly the case here... You might be right about the fruitlessness of the anti-corruption effort, but it's certainly not a search for villains that don't exist! This sounds more like the first steps in a journey of a thousand miles... It's got to start somewhere, and this sounds as good a place as any.

Nope, that would be a 'Wild Goose Chase'

[timewilltell]

I wonder where the top of the corruption tree is? Actually I stopped myself wondering now for safety's sake

[pantareiyingluck]

It would be great if General Prayut hired a forensic accounting team, and worked out

where all that money came from. Oh guess that will not be happening.....

When al this is possible at the RTP, wouldn't it be possible at the Army? A general being given ruling and being multi millionaire?

[delgarcon]

The consequence of this could be a surge in lower-level corruption. Just imagine all those officers who have borrowed heavily to buy promotions which would give them greater money-making opportunities to pay back the loans. The poor diddums are now up the creek, and the only way they will be able to pay off their debts (many lenders are fellow cops) is to increase their current nefarious activities.

Maybe not, but at this stage it's amusing to think about.

Do you think you are being fair to these people, whose only route to promotion was to pay their superiors? What would you or I do? I don't find any of this amusing.

[Dogmatix]

Which means it is fair to assume that each and every officer that has ever been promoted by the former CIB chief is corrupt, as it is unlikely they would otherwise have 5 million baht to pay for a promotion. As I assume promotions are recorded somewhere, those investigating this should now have a list of suspects to investigate.

"...those investigating this should now have a list of suspects to investigate." And be on a list of suspects themselves.

What police have not paid for their promotions from the lowly constable who has to pay to get on a lucrative road block to the police chief?

[rametindallas]

demanded each police officer wanting promotion or posting in significant duty to pay 3-5 million baht

So, when a patrol officer wants to be sergeant, it is 3 million; a sergeant wants to skip a few steps and become Master Sergeant, he pays 5 million (I'm assuming: the higher the position; the more it costs). Maybe a transfer to the Northern Border where all the Ya Ba is coming in or to an entertainment district of Bangkok would cost 5 million but a transfer to quiet little Yasothon could be arranged for a mere 3 million. Multiply that times the number of promotions/transfers and then add all the profits from scams, bribes, extortion, protection, etc., and police work looks to be a better money-maker than being a monk. Makes you wonder where the patrolmen and corporals and sergeants get that kind of money to pay for a promotion/posting. A friend of mine paid more than Bt. 30 million for promotion from Lt. Col. to Gen. so I know these numbers are for non-commissioned officers. I wonder how much it costs to get transferred out of the Deep South.

Edited November 30, 2014 by rametindallas

[wilcopops]

It's a pleasure to have seen what's going on, but this is not even scratching the surface. You want a promotion at a school? Pay. Promotion at a bank? Pay. Promotion at the local council? Pay. Promotion anywhere? Pay. Dirty money has taken over the country and, unfortunately, there is no way out.

Millions and millions are involved in some kind of bribery.

" Promotion anywhere? Pay." Don't generalise, not everyone is open to corruption. There are many honest Thais doing a good job without resorting to financial inducements either paying or receiving.

A good and unbiased Post.

A fallacious statement from Garrya. My wife has 28 years in the government education system; had to borrow from the bank to pay for her two degrees and now, although still teaching, holds a senior position, one of three in a very large province, where she examines other teachers for promotion. Tell me, are you saying that she paid bribes to be promoted and is now receiving bribes to promote others. Most TVF posters are intelligent people and understand that there are problems in many areas but with the statement you have made I cannot include you.

Who are you to caste aspersions over such a broad field of workers? You have inside knowledge or are you just another non-intellectual farang writing for the sake of writing without any substance to sustain your offensive post? You might not think it is offensive but I do as my wife has studied and worked very hard to get where she is and for someone, who thinks he knows all, to put into print the garbage you have, only shows how moronic your thinking is.

A very naive post. I find quite surprising that people who live in Thailand for years and years still fail to grasp the all pervasive presence of graft corruption and nepotism in every facet of Thai life.

I don't suppose your wife hasnoticed how many fellow workers seem to have other family members in similar jobs?

Have you examined how degrees are taught here?

Edited December 1, 2014 by wilcopops

[binjalin]

demanded each police officer wanting promotion or posting in significant duty to pay 3-5 million baht

So, when a patrol officer wants to be sergeant, it is 3 million; a sergeant wants to skip a few steps and become Master Sergeant, he pays 5 million (I'm assuming: the higher the position; the more it costs). Maybe a transfer to the Northern Border where all the Ya Ba is coming in or to an entertainment district of Bangkok would cost 5 million but a transfer to quiet little Yasothon could be arranged for a mere 3 million. Multiply that times the number of promotions/transfers and then add all the profits from scams, bribes, extortion, protection, etc., and police work looks to be a better money-maker than being a monk. Makes you wonder where the patrolmen and corporals and sergeants get that kind of money to pay for a promotion/posting. A friend of mine paid more than Bt. 30 million for promotion from Lt. Col. to Gen. so I know these numbers are for non-commissioned officers. I wonder how much it costs to get transferred out of the Deep South.

This, of course, begs many questions about those at the top of the Army tree now. Questions that cannot be asked or discussed on here

[wilcopops]

No comment!

[MexicanFarang]

It's no wonder employees can be a bit surly in Thailand.

Because they paid more than anyone else to get that job...

[hawker9000]

The consequence of this could be a surge in lower-level corruption. Just imagine all those officers who have borrowed heavily to buy promotions which would give them greater money-making opportunities to pay back the loans. The poor diddums are now up the creek, and the only way they will be able to pay off their debts (many lenders are fellow cops) is to increase their current nefarious activities.

Maybe not, but at this stage it's amusing to think about.

Do you think you are being fair to these people, whose only route to promotion was to pay their superiors? What would you or I do? I don't find any of this amusing.

...whose only route to promotion was to pay their superiors BECAUSE EVERYONE around them does so! But what if, as a people, there were simply too great a sense of personal honor & integrity to do so? THAT, you have to admit, is laughable.

[spidermike007]

How about a fine of 5 million baht, levied against his immediate family, for three generations, for each offense that can be documented. No property transfers, not even a car loan, until these fines are paid.