Israel says it broke up Hamas terror plot

[Seastallion]

This is what happens when Israel makes and breaks treaties. You can only push a group speak far before they become violent.

They become violent?? Care to name times when they were peace loving?

Care to name a time when their land wasn't occupied or that they weren't being ethnically cleansed?

[konying]

This is what happens when Israel makes and breaks treaties. You can only push a group speak far before they become violent.

They become violent?? Care to name times when they were peace loving?

Care to name a time when their land wasn't occupied or that they weren't being ethnically cleansed?

Lol, more cute. Care to name times when it was their land?

[konying]

When was the last time you checked? Decades ago? Gaza is most definitely occupied as defined by international law and the UN.

Please keep up, you're years behind.

If Gazza is occupied than you might want to look up definition of what occupation means, but as usual do not let facts get in a way of your lies

Edited November 28, 2014 by konying

[Ulysses G.]

This is what happens when Israel makes and breaks treaties. You can only push a group speak far before they become violent.

They become violent?? Care to name times when they were peace loving?

Care to name a time when their land wasn't occupied or that they weren't being ethnically cleansed?

They never had any country of their own to be "occupied" and they have been just as guilty of "ethnic cleansing" as anyone else. The Palestinians started the violence in this conflict and they continue to pay the price for refusing to make peace.

Edited November 28, 2014 by Ulysses G.

[Seastallion]

...if they say so......it must be true........

Yes, the entire report is about what the Shin Bet "said", "alleged" etc. There is absolutely no substantiation in this report.

Just saying.

I'm not saying the alleged plot and arrests are not real, but it is true that the Israeli propaganda machine has a very big interest in getting the idea across to world media that Israel is a victim of terrorism. They need sympathy for continuing to commit crimes such as collective punishment, ethnic cleansing, and increased occupation.

Why did they not offer some substantiation of their claims? I think the journalist thought this too, because he was very careful to make the entire report about what is claimed, not what is observed fact.

I stated recently, after the synagogue murders, that the propaganda machine will be kicking in in a big way.

[Ulysses G.]

Israel IS a victim of terrorism and everyone sane knows it. They really don't need to make stuff up.

[Seastallion]

When was the last time you checked? Decades ago? Gaza is most definitely occupied as defined by international law and the UN.

Please keep up, you're years behind.

If Gazza is occupied than you might want to look up definition of what occupation means, but as usual do not let facts get in a way of your lies

You really should be a bit more careful. As I said, it's defined by international law and the UN.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli-occupied_territories

The Israeli-occupied territories are the territories occupied by Israel during the Six-Day War of 1967 from Egypt, Jordan, and Syria. They consist of the West Bank, includingEast Jerusalem; much of the Golan Heights; the Gaza Strip, though Israel disputes this and argues that since the implementation of its disengagement from Gaza in 2005 it no longer occupies the territory; and, until 1982, the Sinai Peninsula. The West Bank, East Jerusalem and Gaza Strip are also referred to as the Palestinian territories or Occupied Palestinian Territory.

and, in refutation of Israel's claim quoted above, from the same source..

However, as it retains control of Gaza's airspace and coastline, it continues to be designated as an occupying power in the Gaza Strip by the United Nations Security Council, the United Nations General Assembly^[12] and some countries and various human rights organizations.

[Ulysses G.]

When was the last time you checked? Decades ago? Gaza is most definitely occupied as defined by international law and the UN.

Please keep up, you're years behind.

If Gazza is occupied than you might want to look up definition of what occupation means, but as usual do not let facts get in a way of your lies

The leader of Hamas - the rulers of Gaza - says otherwise. He says Gaza is NOT occupied. You would think that he would know.

The UN continues to label the Gaza Strip occupied by Israel, despite a Hamas leader stating this week that thats no longer a tenable position.

Hamas co-founder Mahmoud Zahar confirmed Tuesday there is no Israeli occupation of Gaza, according to a report published by Maan, a Bethlehem- based Palestinian news agency.

http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Op-Ed-Contributors/Hamas-says-Gaza-not-occupied-UN-disagrees

Edited November 28, 2014 by Ulysses G.

[up-country_sinclair]

Israeli security forces said Thursday they have broken up a wide-ranging terror plot, which would have included attacks on a football stadium, abductions and car bombings.

Authorities arrested at least 30 members of Palestinian militant group Hamas and seized rifles, ammunition and explosives, said the Shin Bet, the country's security agency.

Shin Bet says a lot of things. History has shown that all of it is self-serving and a large percentage is deceitful propaganda.

This smells like an attempt to demonize the Palestinians in the hopes that it will slow the move towards statehood. It's not going to work.

Edited November 28, 2014 by up-country_sinclair

[harryfrompattaya]

It is a pity Hamas could not break up Israel.

Why do you hate Israel so much that you want it destroyed?

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Many that hate Jews have their wife or mother going out with a Jew I do not know if that is his case

But his hate is no good and we should pray for his soul

With Jesus he may even like Jews

Edited November 28, 2014 by harryfrompattaya

[Ulysses G.]

Israeli security forces said Thursday they have broken up a wide-ranging terror plot, which would have included attacks on a football stadium, abductions and car bombings.

Authorities arrested at least 30 members of Palestinian militant group Hamas and seized rifles, ammunition and explosives, said the Shin Bet, the country's security agency.

Shin Bet says a lot of things.

Hamas are unrepentant terrorists and anti-Semites. It is not exactly a surprise when they attempt another terrorist plot.

Edited November 28, 2014 by Ulysses G.

[Jean Pierre Jacquot]

Zionist racist lies, nothing else. Israel is lying on so many issues since it was created and continues to do so. Right now is a good time to put up this terrorist plot as Israel lost the last bit of credit they had in this world in continuing their genocide of Palestinians, so they obviously have to play the tune that the Palestinians are the bad guys. Pathetic!

[Jean Pierre Jacquot]

Time to break up the Israel terrorist plot! They are the real terrorists and racists, proofs are all over the board and people with something in their head know about it. Accusing the Palestinians is pathetic and cheap.

[konying]

When was the last time you checked? Decades ago? Gaza is most definitely occupied as defined by international law and the UN.

Please keep up, you're years behind.

If Gazza is occupied than you might want to look up definition of what occupation means, but as usual do not let facts get in a way of your lies

You really should be a bit more careful. As I said, it's defined by international law and the UN.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli-occupied_territories

The Israeli-occupied territories are the territories occupied by Israel during the Six-Day War of 1967 from Egypt, Jordan, and Syria. They consist of the West Bank, includingEast Jerusalem; much of the Golan Heights; the Gaza Strip, though Israel disputes this and argues that since the implementation of its disengagement from Gaza in 2005 it no longer occupies the territory; and, until 1982, the Sinai Peninsula. The West Bank, East Jerusalem and Gaza Strip are also referred to as the Palestinian territories or Occupied Palestinian Territory.

and, in refutation of Israel's claim quoted above, from the same source..

However, as it retains control of Gaza's airspace and coastline, it continues to be designated as an occupying power in the Gaza Strip by the United Nations Security Council, the United Nations General Assembly^[12] and some countries and various human rights organizations.

Very cute as usual.

Israel does not have a single soldier in Gazza.

Borders are controlled in a way country sees is best. There is no law where by country must open its borders.

Now that you have caught up with facts on the ground, hopefully we will not need to educate you over and over again

[Jean Pierre Jacquot]

When was the last time you checked? Decades ago? Gaza is most definitely occupied as defined by international law and the UN.

Please keep up, you're years behind.

If Gazza is occupied than you might want to look up definition of what occupation means, but as usual do not let facts get in a way of your lies

The leader of Hamas - the rulers of Gaza - says otherwise. He says Gaza is NOT occupied. You would think that he would know.

The UN continues to label the Gaza Strip occupied by Israel, despite a Hamas leader stating this week that thats no longer a tenable position.

Hamas co-founder Mahmoud Zahar confirmed Tuesday there is no Israeli occupation of Gaza, according to a report published by Maan, a Bethlehem- based Palestinian news agency.

http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Op-Ed-Contributors/Hamas-says-Gaza-not-occupied-UN-disagrees

He is right, the Gaza strip is not occupied but many other territories including the one the Israeli jews occupied during the creation of Israel.

[konying]

Israeli security forces said Thursday they have broken up a wide-ranging terror plot, which would have included attacks on a football stadium, abductions and car bombings.

Authorities arrested at least 30 members of Palestinian militant group Hamas and seized rifles, ammunition and explosives, said the Shin Bet, the country's security agency.

Shin Bet says a lot of things.

Mamas are unrepentant terrorists and anti-Semites. It is not exactly a surprise when they attempt another terrorist plot.

Typical racist remarks of this TV member.

Of course do not anyone dare to say anything about Muslim killers, it would be racist.

Oh wait they just killed 100 000 people, oh but that's ok, it's all in the name of Allah.

Getting boring hearing same nonsense out of Arab mouth.

Stop killing people and people might see you in a different light

[konying]

When was the last time you checked? Decades ago? Gaza is most definitely occupied as defined by international law and the UN.

Please keep up, you're years behind.

If Gazza is occupied than you might want to look up definition of what occupation means, but as usual do not let facts get in a way of your lies

The leader of Hamas - the rulers of Gaza - says otherwise. He says Gaza is NOT occupied. You would think that he would know.

The UN continues to label the Gaza Strip occupied by Israel, despite a Hamas leader stating this week that thats no longer a tenable position.

Hamas co-founder Mahmoud Zahar confirmed Tuesday there is no Israeli occupation of Gaza, according to a report published by Maan, a Bethlehem- based Palestinian news agency.

http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Op-Ed-Contributors/Hamas-says-Gaza-not-occupied-UN-disagrees

He is right, the Gaza strip is not occupied but many other territories including the one the Israeli jews occupied during the creation of Israel.

Another cute Arab apologist. Post for us infidels the name of those territories, it's capital, money used and its borders.

[Jean Pierre Jacquot]

It is a pity Hamas could not break up Israel.

Why do you hate Israel so much that you want it destroyed?

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Israel as a political entity I despise. I do not hate Jewish people in general. Israel illegally occupies Palestinian land and continues to increase the area of occupation. What are the Palestinian people to do? Israel ignores their pleas for justice and the requests for their land back. Israel ignores the United Nations which says the occupation is illegal.

The Jews of Israel, above all others, should understand the plight and the pain of Palestinians after their experiences after WW2. However they show no compassion or empathy for these oppressed and displaced people.

Very well said, indeed.

[MJP]

A flame post has been removed.

[Jean Pierre Jacquot]

Here we go for another round of our boxing match on this forum. Not everyone is yet on it but I am sure they will be soon, as are our administrators who will delete comments and give warnings.

Maybe Thai Visa shouldn't publish any news on Israel-Palestinia conflict anymore. Don't you think so you guys? Or do we actually enjoy these rounds?

[konying]

Here we go for another round of our boxing match on this forum. Not everyone is yet on it but I am sure they will be soon, as are our administrators who will delete comments and give warnings.

Maybe Thai Visa shouldn't publish any news on Israel-Palestinia conflict anymore. Don't you think so you guys? Or do we actually enjoy these rounds?

Arab killers wanted to blow up civilians but you have a problem with them failing making news?

[Seastallion]

When was the last time you checked? Decades ago? Gaza is most definitely occupied as defined by international law and the UN.

Please keep up, you're years behind.

If Gazza is occupied than you might want to look up definition of what occupation means, but as usual do not let facts get in a way of your lies

You really should be a bit more careful. As I said, it's defined by international law and the UN.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli-occupied_territories

The Israeli-occupied territories are the territories occupied by Israel during the Six-Day War of 1967 from Egypt, Jordan, and Syria. They consist of the West Bank, includingEast Jerusalem; much of the Golan Heights; the Gaza Strip, though Israel disputes this and argues that since the implementation of its disengagement from Gaza in 2005 it no longer occupies the territory; and, until 1982, the Sinai Peninsula. The West Bank, East Jerusalem and Gaza Strip are also referred to as the Palestinian territories or Occupied Palestinian Territory.

and, in refutation of Israel's claim quoted above, from the same source..

However, as it retains control of Gaza's airspace and coastline, it continues to be designated as an occupying power in the Gaza Strip by the United Nations Security Council, the United Nations General Assembly^[12] and some countries and various human rights organizations.

Very cute as usual.

Israel does not have a single soldier in Gazza.

Borders are controlled in a way country sees is best. There is no law where by country must open its borders.

Now that you have caught up with facts on the ground, hopefully we will not need to educate you over and over again

I find it hard to believe you'd be so dense, so I have to assume you are simply baiting. You're arguing now with the UN and a host of other international bodies, you're not arguing with me.

[konying]

I find it hard to believe you'd be so dense, so I have to assume you are simply baiting. You're arguing now with the UN and a host of other international bodies, you're not arguing with me.

You should never assume.

Ohhhh so now your point of reference is International bodies, thats interesting.

The very same International bodies who have Hamas on terrorist organization list.

Is not it little ironic that you would support terrorist government and state

PS.The Hague Conventions definition of 1907 is the only legal definition of occupation.

Art. 42. Territory is considered occupied when it is actually placed under the authority of the hostile army.

The occupation extends only to the territory where such authority has been established and can be exercised.

Edited November 28, 2014 by konying

[arjunadawn]

This is what happens when Israel makes and breaks treaties. You can only push a group speak far before they become violent.

Or perhaps blaming Israel for Palestinian terrorism is racist against Arabs?

Did it ever occur to anyone how much further the peace process would have been by now if the Palestinians only used NON-VIOLENT protest methods?

Part of the explanation lies in the profound influence that the anti-Zionist ideology (a system of demonising ideas and representations about Israel and the Jews) now exercises in our culture. At the heart of the ideology is a deeply buried, often unconscious, assumption about the dichotomous natures of Israelis and Palestinians that warps our understanding of the conflict. Here it is:Palestinians (and Arabs in general) do not have agency and choice, and so cannot be held accountable and responsible. Israelis do and can; always, and exclusively.

Palestinians are understood as a driven people, dominated by circumstance and emotion, lacking choice, below the age of responsibility, never to be held accountable. Israelis are the opposite; masters of all circumstances, rational and calculating, the root cause of everything, responsible for everything.

It is, palpably, an Orientalist view of the Palestinians as the Other, except this time they are affirmed as noble savages. Its a bit racist, to be honest. For example, the Liberal Democrat David Ward MP tweetedthat the Palestinian synagogue terrorists had been "driven to madness" - which not only removes agency from them but also sanity.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/palestinianauthority/11243168/Blaming-Israel-for-Palestinian-violence-is-racist-it-denies-that-Arabs-are-moral-agents.html

Brilliant! This precisely illustrates the fairly racist views so many Palestinian and Muslim apologists actually have: implicit in so much defense of the Arab barbarism in the Mideast is the presumption that, as victims, they aren't expected to behave as other nation state actors, or remotely conform to any standard of civilized behavior. Even excepting the premise they are victims of aggression the local Arabs have no standard of expected behavior. This western tolerance conceals that more cannot be expected of them. Woe to the Israelis who think this will changed when the local Arabs officially obtain a State.

Indeed, holding Palestinians to a lower standard then the rest of the world, and couching their defense in 'culture, religion, victim,' the west legitimizes barbarity and our expectations of them in polity is nil. The bar is now set so low that Hamas, a demonstrable agent of murder, terrorism, mayhem, and citizen genocide, is afforded a voice the west deems legitimate.

[Seastallion]

This is what happens when Israel makes and breaks treaties. You can only push a group speak far before they become violent.

Or perhaps blaming Israel for Palestinian terrorism is racist against Arabs?

Did it ever occur to anyone how much further the peace process would have been by now if the Palestinians only used NON-VIOLENT protest methods?

Part of the explanation lies in the profound influence that the anti-Zionist ideology (a system of demonising ideas and representations about Israel and the Jews) now exercises in our culture. At the heart of the ideology is a deeply buried, often unconscious, assumption about the dichotomous natures of Israelis and Palestinians that warps our understanding of the conflict. Here it is:Palestinians (and Arabs in general) do not have agency and choice, and so cannot be held accountable and responsible. Israelis do and can; always, and exclusively.

Palestinians are understood as a driven people, dominated by circumstance and emotion, lacking choice, below the age of responsibility, never to be held accountable. Israelis are the opposite; masters of all circumstances, rational and calculating, the root cause of everything, responsible for everything.

It is, palpably, an Orientalist view of the Palestinians as the Other, except this time they are affirmed as noble savages. Its a bit racist, to be honest. For example, the Liberal Democrat David Ward MP tweetedthat the Palestinian synagogue terrorists had been "driven to madness" - which not only removes agency from them but also sanity.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/palestinianauthority/11243168/Blaming-Israel-for-Palestinian-violence-is-racist-it-denies-that-Arabs-are-moral-agents.html

Brilliant! This precisely illustrates the fairly racist views so many Palestinian and Muslim apologists actually have: implicit in so much defense of the Arab barbarism in the Mideast is the presumption that, as victims, they aren't expected to behave as other nation state actors, or remotely conform to any standard of civilized behavior. Even excepting the premise they are victims of aggression the local Arabs have no standard of expected behavior. This western tolerance conceals that more cannot be expected of them. Woe to the Israelis who think this will changed when the local Arabs officially obtain a State.

Indeed, holding Palestinians to a lower standard then the rest of the world, and couching their defense in 'culture, religion, victim,' the west legitimizes barbarity and our expectations of them in polity is nil. The bar is now set so low that Hamas, a demonstrable agent of murder, terrorism, mayhem, and citizen genocide, is afforded a voice the west deems legitimate.

I made some observations why the quoted text was decidedly not brilliant earlier. Perhaps you missed the post. Never mind.

Another way to look at it would be the legally recognised "battered wives syndrome". In many jurisdictions, and amongst reasonable people, an abused wife who stabs her husband, even in cold and calculated way not in the heat of an argument, is held to a different standard. Stabbing someone is against the law. Premeditated stabbing is even worse. But a battered wife has an excuse which we reasonable people make allowances for.

Palestinians are battered, cross-generationally. Israel is the abuser. We make allowances. Some. Not total absolution.

Israel is fond of the self-defence excuse. Even to the extent that they call their aggressive army a defence force. Palestine is really in self-defence mode.

[konying]

I made some observations why the quoted text was decidedly not brilliant earlier. Perhaps you missed the post. Never mind.

Another way to look at it would be the legally recognised "battered wives syndrome". In many jurisdictions, and amongst reasonable people, an abused wife who stabs her husband, even in cold and calculated way not in the heat of an argument, is held to a different standard. Stabbing someone is against the law. Premeditated stabbing is even worse. But a battered wife has an excuse which we reasonable people make allowances for.

Palestinians are battered, cross-generationally. Israel is the abuser. We make allowances. Some. Not total absolution.

Israel is fond of the self-defence excuse. Even to the extent that they call their aggressive army a defence force. Palestine is really in self-defence mode.

The never ending Arab victim card

They cried about Gazza, were given Gazza and did nothing but intensify terror attacks on civilians.

And trust you to turn it into a victim game.

[TheKnave]

This is what happens when Israel makes and breaks treaties. You can only push a group speak far before they become violent.

Or perhaps blaming Israel for Palestinian terrorism is racist against Arabs?

Did it ever occur to anyone how much further the peace process would have been by now if the Palestinians only used NON-VIOLENT protest methods?

Part of the explanation lies in the profound influence that the anti-Zionist ideology (a system of demonising ideas and representations about Israel and the Jews) now exercises in our culture. At the heart of the ideology is a deeply buried, often unconscious, assumption about the dichotomous natures of Israelis and Palestinians that warps our understanding of the conflict. Here it is:Palestinians (and Arabs in general) do not have agency and choice, and so cannot be held accountable and responsible. Israelis do and can; always, and exclusively.

Palestinians are understood as a driven people, dominated by circumstance and emotion, lacking choice, below the age of responsibility, never to be held accountable. Israelis are the opposite; masters of all circumstances, rational and calculating, the root cause of everything, responsible for everything.

It is, palpably, an Orientalist view of the Palestinians as the Other, except this time they are affirmed as noble savages. Its a bit racist, to be honest. For example, the Liberal Democrat David Ward MP tweetedthat the Palestinian synagogue terrorists had been "driven to madness" - which not only removes agency from them but also sanity.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/palestinianauthority/11243168/Blaming-Israel-for-Palestinian-violence-is-racist-it-denies-that-Arabs-are-moral-agents.html

Excellent post.

[Emster23]

If Palestine had been an independent country rather than a Euro colony, state of Israel could never have been forced upon them. Should have given them a good slice of Germany as reparations, or perhaps New York, as there were more jews there than anywhere else. But racism and Eurocentrism trumped that. Say whatever you want, but fact remains that land was stolen without consent of the people living there.

Israel has continued to consume the west bank with illegal expansion (they were supposed to withdraw after 67 war.... ). Have returned to Nazi inspired "group punishment mode" of destroying houses of freedom fighters/terrorists (all depends on who you favor) with no trial, no guilt by other family members. Recent proposal in Knesset is for two tier citizenship. I could go on and on, but just let's not pretend Israel has any intention of working out peace agreement with Palestinians. I understand 100% why Palestinians would support radicals: nothing has come from standard diplomatic "let's work this out" approach.

[Jean Pierre Jacquot]

Here we go for another round of our boxing match on this forum. Not everyone is yet on it but I am sure they will be soon, as are our administrators who will delete comments and give warnings.

Maybe Thai Visa shouldn't publish any news on Israel-Palestinia conflict anymore. Don't you think so you guys? Or do we actually enjoy these rounds?

Arab killers wanted to blow up civilians but you have a problem with them failing making news?

You seem definitely a bit on the tense side, aren't you?

[konying]

Here we go for another round of our boxing match on this forum. Not everyone is yet on it but I am sure they will be soon, as are our administrators who will delete comments and give warnings.

Maybe Thai Visa shouldn't publish any news on Israel-Palestinia conflict anymore. Don't you think so you guys? Or do we actually enjoy these rounds?

Arab killers wanted to blow up civilians but you have a problem with them failing making news?

You seem definitely a bit on the tense side, aren't you?

Well i am glad you are at ease at the fact that thousands could have been killed.

Is it because the killed ones would have been Jews? so it plays right down your ally?