Chinese tourists, behave yourselves

[DeaconJohn]

And it doesn't stop there. They have a reputation for greed and dishonesty in business, those that are wealthy often display their wealth in the most vulgar fashion and we frequently learn that they have gained that wealth through either corruption or cheating.

Chinese? OK, if you say so, but it sounds more like the description of another race whose name we dare not mention.

[JOC]

A match made in heaven!!

Chinese tourists and Thai "service" !!

[bubba]

I wasn't on the flight, but this was a good one from last year:

A group of mainland travelers have upset Singapore Airlines staff by refusing to hand over 30 sets of stainless steel tableware during a recent flight, Chinese media reported.

It was only after repeated warnings from a tour guide that these passengers agreed to hand them back to flight attendants.

The Chinese passengers were on a tour of Singapore, Malaysia, and Thailand. While onboard the Singapore Airlines flight, they had intended to keep the stainless steel knives and forks provided during a meal, the Qianjiang Evening News reported on Tuesday.

The report cited a tourist guide - but did not say exactly when the incident occurred. It said the tourists were mainly from a small town in Zhejiang province.

The flight attendants told the tourists the stainless steel tableware could not be kept because it was going to be re-used - unlike plastic disposable items. But the tourists refused to hand them over. The tourists explained that relatives who had flown with Singapore Airlines in the past told them they could keep the tableware, the report said.

The astonished flight attendants then asked a Chinese tour guide for help. The affair finally ended when the guide told the tourists they were hurting China’s image abroad. “Stop hurting the reputation of Chinese people,’’ he said.

The travelers then handed back the tableware, the report said.

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/664256-chinese-tourists-rob-singapore-airlines-of-tableware/

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OK, my two favourite airline stories pertaining to flights to/from mainland China:

1. About an hour into a TG flight from Shanghai to BKK, I noticed that the gentleman across the aisle from me had lit up a cigarette. Amazingly, he had gotten through about half of it (whilst spitting now and then into the airsick bag) before a flight attendant spoke with him. She spoke Thai and English with him, and he ignored her. They found a Chinese speaking FA and she spoke to him. Still nothing and he puffed away. Then captain came back, snatched the cigarette from his hand, and the Chinese gentleman let fly some loud words, presumably expletives then sat there the rest of the flight looking very angry, refusing his meal. And spitting into his airsick bag.

2. Boarded a TG flight from Beijing, got to my seat, and there was someone already in it. Yes, Chinese. The male FA looked at my boarding pass, which had the correct number, looked at the seated passenger and his boarding pass showed a seat about five rows back, but the boarding pass had a line through it with a handwritten number for my seat. I looked back and others were having the same issues and people sitting in the wrong seats, and the situation was approaching pandemonium. The FA called a passenger to the right, which was the Chinese tour guide and said in English: "Mr Xiao, I have told you this before, and you CANNNOT change the seats on the boarding passes yourself!". Mr Xiao replied complaining that his tour group passengers never get seats together, that they are paying for these tickets and they have the right to sit where they want. A Chinese speaking FA was called, loud words were exchanged, the tour guide sat down, and after about 10 minutes, all the seats were sorted out, thus delaying the flight.

Just call me happy that I no longer do business trips to mainland China.

They don't do well when the group is split up in any circumstances, hence the a matching coats, T-shiirts and hats , led by a tour guide with a flag and wistle

[JOC]

I'm not sure how the behaviour of 4 idiots is somehow supposed to reflect on their nation as a whole. The whole world is full of really stupid and often quite nasty people; this doesn't mean that you can start painting "anti-China" rhetoric on everything over an isolated incident.

God knows, I've lived in China and have some idea of how difficult the Chinese can be but this isn't typical or even close to typical Chinese behaviour and would be best ignored as an abberration.

Since you're not sure I'll help you along a bit.

The reason is its part of a pattern, not an isolated incident, just another one. Mainland Chinese tourists are seen and reported behaving poorly, far more so than any other nationality I am aware of, even factoring in the population size.

From stealing life vests and crockery on planes, to screaming and shouting and fighting, we hear the stories all the time. But even if there isn't a "scene", on every flight I've been on they tend to ruin the trip for other travelers because of talking and shouting extremely loudly and moving about the plane. Off the plane their behavior is often equally disgusting and inconsiderate and ill mannered, including spitting, shouting and causing disturbance of the peace wherever they go, to public defecation, to throwing tantrums, to pushing and shoving and cutting into queues.

And it doesn't stop there. They have a reputation for greed and dishonesty in business, those that are wealthy often display their wealth in the most vulgar fashion and we frequently learn that they have gained that wealth through either corruption or cheating.

Yes, yawn yawn yawn, I already know what your going to say...don't generalize...it's not all...well, we know not all, we know there are probably many who are decent and considerate, but the frequency of terrible behavior is prevalent enough that their image is now deservedly bad. If they want to improve their image, and I doubt they really care, then relying on idiot apologists won't get them far, because the only thing that will help is to start behaving decently and respectfully towards other nationalities and in other peoples countries.

Hope you get it now.

Thank you, I always enjoy being patronized by a racist ignoramus for breakfast. It's good to see the world through your own prejudiced lenses just so I can be thankful that no matter how much of a git I am today; I will still fall short of your own dramatic standards.

You may "hear stories all the time" but whilst there's no doubt that the Chinese are a bit rude by a Western yardstick; they are not particularly given to violent outbursts on planes any certainly not more so than any other nationality. You may be laying in wait to blame everything on Chinese people; the more rational of us tend to ask sensible questions like; "Which total plonker judges 1.3 billion people by the behaviour of 4 members of that group?" Sadly, I actually got an answer to that question. My condolences to you - life must be a wonderful place when you can see in ignorant black and white based on the occasional newspaper article.

So all posters living/working in China are lying??

The Chinese government supply their outbound tourists with a booklet "How to behave", because even the Chinese authorities acknowledge the problem!!

This is not racism, but sometimes you have to call a spade a spade, even if it doesn't fit into your lovely political correct la-la world!!

[cooked]

China is one weird country with a billion people who have been brainwashed all of their lives.You would think communist (Socialist) countries would preach for an ordered considerate society. However due to the Chairman's purges it became dangerous to talk openly and keep company with anyone except immediate family so their social skills are non existent. China is also pretty much a lawless state, you only feel the power of the Government if you attempt to undermine or disrupt them.Offences against other citizens is pretty much unpunished. So their behavior in this case, although not excusable is an extension of the pushing in queues, driving with no thought of other road users, spitting and shitting in public, smoking in elevators and generally being obnoxious and rude. As my Mum used to say "Its the way they have been brought up"

Not a pop at Chinese as a Race , 60 years of communism has not done the People of PRC a lot of favours

From what I have read, pre revoulution was much worse.

[paddyjenkins]

I'm not sure how the behaviour of 4 idiots is somehow supposed to reflect on their nation as a whole. The whole world is full of really stupid and often quite nasty people; this doesn't mean that you can start painting "anti-China" rhetoric on everything over an isolated incident.

God knows, I've lived in China and have some idea of how difficult the Chinese can be but this isn't typical or even close to typical Chinese behaviour and would be best ignored as an abberration.

Since you're not sure I'll help you along a bit.

The reason is its part of a pattern, not an isolated incident, just another one. Mainland Chinese tourists are seen and reported behaving poorly, far more so than any other nationality I am aware of, even factoring in the population size.

From stealing life vests and crockery on planes, to screaming and shouting and fighting, we hear the stories all the time. But even if there isn't a "scene", on every flight I've been on they tend to ruin the trip for other travelers because of talking and shouting extremely loudly and moving about the plane. Off the plane their behavior is often equally disgusting and inconsiderate and ill mannered, including spitting, shouting and causing disturbance of the peace wherever they go, to public defecation, to throwing tantrums, to pushing and shoving and cutting into queues.

And it doesn't stop there. They have a reputation for greed and dishonesty in business, those that are wealthy often display their wealth in the most vulgar fashion and we frequently learn that they have gained that wealth through either corruption or cheating.

Yes, yawn yawn yawn, I already know what your going to say...don't generalize...it's not all...well, we know not all, we know there are probably many who are decent and considerate, but the frequency of terrible behavior is prevalent enough that their image is now deservedly bad. If they want to improve their image, and I doubt they really care, then relying on idiot apologists won't get them far, because the only thing that will help is to start behaving decently and respectfully towards other nationalities and in other peoples countries.

Hope you get it now.

Thank you, I always enjoy being patronized by a racist ignoramus for breakfast. It's good to see the world through your own prejudiced lenses just so I can be thankful that no matter how much of a git I am today; I will still fall short of your own dramatic standards.

You may "hear stories all the time" but whilst there's no doubt that the Chinese are a bit rude by a Western yardstick; they are not particularly given to violent outbursts on planes any certainly not more so than any other nationality. You may be laying in wait to blame everything on Chinese people; the more rational of us tend to ask sensible questions like; "Which total plonker judges 1.3 billion people by the behaviour of 4 members of that group?" Sadly, I actually got an answer to that question. My condolences to you - life must be a wonderful place when you can see in ignorant black and white based on the occasional newspaper article.

I'll say it one more time as you are clearly very slow and require remedial tutoring. I said the incident was part of a pattern. Nobody is judging an entire nation based on 4 people, but they are judging based on a pattern....a very clear one, if you are too stupid to see the pattern then too bad. If you object to judgement based on a pattern then you are just blinding yourself to the facts. The facts are very clear but it needs a certain level of intelligence to see them. As for your comment about being a bit ruder than Westerners...LOL...they aren't a bit ruder, their rudeness is totally off the charts. As for your comment about racism, you just expose your own stupidity and bigotry there again, relaying in worn out platitudes to attack with. I said mainland Chinese, I didn't actually paint all Chinese with the same brush at all, so no racism there matey. And I know quite a few non mainland Chinese who find the behavior of the mainland Chinese even more disgusting than I do. Now go and put your dunce hat on. Edited December 16, 2014 by paddyjenkins

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I'm not sure how the behaviour of 4 idiots is somehow supposed to reflect on their nation as a whole. The whole world is full of really stupid and often quite nasty people; this doesn't mean that you can start painting "anti-China" rhetoric on everything over an isolated incident.

God knows, I've lived in China and have some idea of how difficult the Chinese can be but this isn't typical or even close to typical Chinese behaviour and would be best ignored as an abberration.

Since you're not sure I'll help you along a bit.

The reason is its part of a pattern, not an isolated incident, just another one. Mainland Chinese tourists are seen and reported behaving poorly, far more so than any other nationality I am aware of, even factoring in the population size.

From stealing life vests and crockery on planes, to screaming and shouting and fighting, we hear the stories all the time. But even if there isn't a "scene", on every flight I've been on they tend to ruin the trip for other travelers because of talking and shouting extremely loudly and moving about the plane. Off the plane their behavior is often equally disgusting and inconsiderate and ill mannered, including spitting, shouting and causing disturbance of the peace wherever they go, to public defecation, to throwing tantrums, to pushing and shoving and cutting into queues.

And it doesn't stop there. They have a reputation for greed and dishonesty in business, those that are wealthy often display their wealth in the most vulgar fashion and we frequently learn that they have gained that wealth through either corruption or cheating.

Yes, yawn yawn yawn, I already know what your going to say...don't generalize...it's not all...well, we know not all, we know there are probably many who are decent and considerate, but the frequency of terrible behavior is prevalent enough that their image is now deservedly bad. If they want to improve their image, and I doubt they really care, then relying on idiot apologists won't get them far, because the only thing that will help is to start behaving decently and respectfully towards other nationalities and in other peoples countries.

Hope you get it now.

Thank you, I always enjoy being patronized by a racist ignoramus for breakfast. It's good to see the world through your own prejudiced lenses just so I can be thankful that no matter how much of a git I am today; I will still fall short of your own dramatic standards.

You may "hear stories all the time" but whilst there's no doubt that the Chinese are a bit rude by a Western yardstick; they are not particularly given to violent outbursts on planes any certainly not more so than any other nationality. You may be laying in wait to blame everything on Chinese people; the more rational of us tend to ask sensible questions like; "Which total plonker judges 1.3 billion people by the behaviour of 4 members of that group?" Sadly, I actually got an answer to that question. My condolences to you - life must be a wonderful place when you can see in ignorant black and white based on the occasional newspaper article.

So all posters living/working in China are lying??

The Chinese government supply their outbound tourists with a booklet "How to behave", because even the Chinese authorities acknowledge the problem!!

This is not racism, but sometimes you have to call a spade a spade, even if it doesn't fit into your lovely political correct la-la world!!

True , nothing to do with Race at all, its what happens to people when the have lived under an oppressive regime that frowns upon Social niceties. You know you pretty much cannot go anywhere in China without being accompanied by blaring music. Mao's idea originally to let people know their were no Private areas for them to conspire in

[fxe1200]

China is one weird country with a billion people who have been brainwashed all of their lives.You would think communist (Socialist) countries would preach for an ordered considerate society. However due to the Chairman's purges it became dangerous to talk openly and keep company with anyone except immediate family so their social skills are non existent. China is also pretty much a lawless state, you only feel the power of the Government if you attempt to undermine or disrupt them.Offences against other citizens is pretty much unpunished. So their behavior in this case, although not excusable is an extension of the pushing in queues, driving with no thought of other road users, spitting and shitting in public, smoking in elevators and generally being obnoxious and rude. As my Mum used to say "Its the way they have been brought up"

Not a pop at Chinese as a Race , 60 years of communism has not done the People of PRC a lot of favours

Sorry, there is no "Socialism" or "Communism" in China, you may call it "State Capitalism".

[TheSiemReaper]

I'm not sure how the behaviour of 4 idiots is somehow supposed to reflect on their nation as a whole. The whole world is full of really stupid and often quite nasty people; this doesn't mean that you can start painting "anti-China" rhetoric on everything over an isolated incident.

God knows, I've lived in China and have some idea of how difficult the Chinese can be but this isn't typical or even close to typical Chinese behaviour and would be best ignored as an abberration.

Since you're not sure I'll help you along a bit.

The reason is its part of a pattern, not an isolated incident, just another one. Mainland Chinese tourists are seen and reported behaving poorly, far more so than any other nationality I am aware of, even factoring in the population size.

From stealing life vests and crockery on planes, to screaming and shouting and fighting, we hear the stories all the time. But even if there isn't a "scene", on every flight I've been on they tend to ruin the trip for other travelers because of talking and shouting extremely loudly and moving about the plane. Off the plane their behavior is often equally disgusting and inconsiderate and ill mannered, including spitting, shouting and causing disturbance of the peace wherever they go, to public defecation, to throwing tantrums, to pushing and shoving and cutting into queues.

And it doesn't stop there. They have a reputation for greed and dishonesty in business, those that are wealthy often display their wealth in the most vulgar fashion and we frequently learn that they have gained that wealth through either corruption or cheating.

Yes, yawn yawn yawn, I already know what your going to say...don't generalize...it's not all...well, we know not all, we know there are probably many who are decent and considerate, but the frequency of terrible behavior is prevalent enough that their image is now deservedly bad. If they want to improve their image, and I doubt they really care, then relying on idiot apologists won't get them far, because the only thing that will help is to start behaving decently and respectfully towards other nationalities and in other peoples countries.

Hope you get it now.

Thank you, I always enjoy being patronized by a racist ignoramus for breakfast. It's good to see the world through your own prejudiced lenses just so I can be thankful that no matter how much of a git I am today; I will still fall short of your own dramatic standards.

You may "hear stories all the time" but whilst there's no doubt that the Chinese are a bit rude by a Western yardstick; they are not particularly given to violent outbursts on planes any certainly not more so than any other nationality. You may be laying in wait to blame everything on Chinese people; the more rational of us tend to ask sensible questions like; "Which total plonker judges 1.3 billion people by the behaviour of 4 members of that group?" Sadly, I actually got an answer to that question. My condolences to you - life must be a wonderful place when you can see in ignorant black and white based on the occasional newspaper article.

So all posters living/working in China are lying??

The Chinese government supply their outbound tourists with a booklet "How to behave", because even the Chinese authorities acknowledge the problem!!

This is not racism, but sometimes you have to call a spade a spade, even if it doesn't fit into your lovely political correct la-la world!!

This poster lived in China for 3 years until he moved to Cambodia. I have a pretty good idea how China works; I ran a business there. This isn't about political correctness. This is about stupidity. You cannot say that "all English women are whores" because an English girl went down on a load of blokes in a Magaluf nightclub for a shot of alcohol; any more than you can say "all Chinese are evil" because 4 of them acted like idiots on a plane.

There simply is no correlation, nor pattern that would make these events statistically significant enough to tar all Chinese people with the same brush.

Oh, I also married a Chinese person. She'd never, ever behave like that.

[TheSiemReaper]

I'm not sure how the behaviour of 4 idiots is somehow supposed to reflect on their nation as a whole. The whole world is full of really stupid and often quite nasty people; this doesn't mean that you can start painting "anti-China" rhetoric on everything over an isolated incident.

God knows, I've lived in China and have some idea of how difficult the Chinese can be but this isn't typical or even close to typical Chinese behaviour and would be best ignored as an abberration.

Since you're not sure I'll help you along a bit.

The reason is its part of a pattern, not an isolated incident, just another one. Mainland Chinese tourists are seen and reported behaving poorly, far more so than any other nationality I am aware of, even factoring in the population size.

From stealing life vests and crockery on planes, to screaming and shouting and fighting, we hear the stories all the time. But even if there isn't a "scene", on every flight I've been on they tend to ruin the trip for other travelers because of talking and shouting extremely loudly and moving about the plane. Off the plane their behavior is often equally disgusting and inconsiderate and ill mannered, including spitting, shouting and causing disturbance of the peace wherever they go, to public defecation, to throwing tantrums, to pushing and shoving and cutting into queues.

And it doesn't stop there. They have a reputation for greed and dishonesty in business, those that are wealthy often display their wealth in the most vulgar fashion and we frequently learn that they have gained that wealth through either corruption or cheating.

Yes, yawn yawn yawn, I already know what your going to say...don't generalize...it's not all...well, we know not all, we know there are probably many who are decent and considerate, but the frequency of terrible behavior is prevalent enough that their image is now deservedly bad. If they want to improve their image, and I doubt they really care, then relying on idiot apologists won't get them far, because the only thing that will help is to start behaving decently and respectfully towards other nationalities and in other peoples countries.

Hope you get it now.

Thank you, I always enjoy being patronized by a racist ignoramus for breakfast. It's good to see the world through your own prejudiced lenses just so I can be thankful that no matter how much of a git I am today; I will still fall short of your own dramatic standards.

You may "hear stories all the time" but whilst there's no doubt that the Chinese are a bit rude by a Western yardstick; they are not particularly given to violent outbursts on planes any certainly not more so than any other nationality. You may be laying in wait to blame everything on Chinese people; the more rational of us tend to ask sensible questions like; "Which total plonker judges 1.3 billion people by the behaviour of 4 members of that group?" Sadly, I actually got an answer to that question. My condolences to you - life must be a wonderful place when you can see in ignorant black and white based on the occasional newspaper article.

I'll say it one more time as you are clearly very slow and require remedial tutoring. I said the incident was part of a pattern. Nobody is judging an entire nation based on 4 people, but they are judging based on a pattern....a very clear one, if you are too stupid to see the pattern then too bad. If you object to judgement based on a pattern then you are just blinding yourself to the facts. The facts are very clear but it needs a certain level of intelligence to see them. As for your comment about being a bit ruder than Westerners...LOL...they aren't a bit ruder, their rudeness is totally off the charts. As for your comment about racism, you just expose your own stupidity and bigotry there again, relaying in worn out platitudes to attack with. I said mainland Chinese, I didn't actually paint all Chinese with the same brush at all, so no racism there matey. And I know quite a few non mainland Chinese who find the behavior of the mainland Chinese even more disgusting than I do. Now go and put your dunce hat on.

Mainland Chinese is clearly a racial grouping (races are defined by culture not just by skin tone or language). There is no such pattern. You live in the Far East where the Chinese out number every single other ethnic group combined. Of course you hear bad things about Chinese people - there are a lot of them and some of them are absolutely the suckiest people on earth. But... you have no pattern just a load of data that you are grouping into a pattern that suits you - if there was air-rage on a daily basis from the Chinese; then you would have a trend to derogate the people of China with but you don't because there isn't. It is a good idea to understand statistical significance and the norms for behaviour within a population before jumping on your high horse to condemn them.

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China is one weird country with a billion people who have been brainwashed all of their lives.You would think communist (Socialist) countries would preach for an ordered considerate society. However due to the Chairman's purges it became dangerous to talk openly and keep company with anyone except immediate family so their social skills are non existent. China is also pretty much a lawless state, you only feel the power of the Government if you attempt to undermine or disrupt them.Offences against other citizens is pretty much unpunished. So their behavior in this case, although not excusable is an extension of the pushing in queues, driving with no thought of other road users, spitting and shitting in public, smoking in elevators and generally being obnoxious and rude. As my Mum used to say "Its the way they have been brought up"

Not a pop at Chinese as a Race , 60 years of communism has not done the People of PRC a lot of favours

Sorry, there is no "Socialism" or "Communism" in China, you may call it "State Capitalism".

Yes agreed, Chinese Communism might be more accurate description

[JLCrab]

I have never lived in PRChina but for several years made several extended trips to PRChina each year. Big difference? It was more than 20 years ago when they were still poor.

[A1Str8]

They refused to leave until a testimony was given. Lol. Get them arrested. Then they will leave with no testimony whatsoever.

[rametindallas]

Well, they could not have been too wealthy or even wealthy , they were flying with budget airline

It is quite possible to be both wealthy and a cheapskate. I have met a few in my time.

[paddyjenkins]

I'm not sure how the behaviour of 4 idiots is somehow supposed to reflect on their nation as a whole. The whole world is full of really stupid and often quite nasty people; this doesn't mean that you can start painting "anti-China" rhetoric on everything over an isolated incident.

God knows, I've lived in China and have some idea of how difficult the Chinese can be but this isn't typical or even close to typical Chinese behaviour and would be best ignored as an abberration.

Since you're not sure I'll help you along a bit.

The reason is its part of a pattern, not an isolated incident, just another one. Mainland Chinese tourists are seen and reported behaving poorly, far more so than any other nationality I am aware of, even factoring in the population size.

From stealing life vests and crockery on planes, to screaming and shouting and fighting, we hear the stories all the time. But even if there isn't a "scene", on every flight I've been on they tend to ruin the trip for other travelers because of talking and shouting extremely loudly and moving about the plane. Off the plane their behavior is often equally disgusting and inconsiderate and ill mannered, including spitting, shouting and causing disturbance of the peace wherever they go, to public defecation, to throwing tantrums, to pushing and shoving and cutting into queues.

And it doesn't stop there. They have a reputation for greed and dishonesty in business, those that are wealthy often display their wealth in the most vulgar fashion and we frequently learn that they have gained that wealth through either corruption or cheating.

Yes, yawn yawn yawn, I already know what your going to say...don't generalize...it's not all...well, we know not all, we know there are probably many who are decent and considerate, but the frequency of terrible behavior is prevalent enough that their image is now deservedly bad. If they want to improve their image, and I doubt they really care, then relying on idiot apologists won't get them far, because the only thing that will help is to start behaving decently and respectfully towards other nationalities and in other peoples countries.

Hope you get it now.

Thank you, I always enjoy being patronized by a racist ignoramus for breakfast. It's good to see the world through your own prejudiced lenses just so I can be thankful that no matter how much of a git I am today; I will still fall short of your own dramatic standards.

You may "hear stories all the time" but whilst there's no doubt that the Chinese are a bit rude by a Western yardstick; they are not particularly given to violent outbursts on planes any certainly not more so than any other nationality. You may be laying in wait to blame everything on Chinese people; the more rational of us tend to ask sensible questions like; "Which total plonker judges 1.3 billion people by the behaviour of 4 members of that group?" Sadly, I actually got an answer to that question. My condolences to you - life must be a wonderful place when you can see in ignorant black and white based on the occasional newspaper article.

I'll say it one more time as you are clearly very slow and require remedial tutoring. I said the incident was part of a pattern. Nobody is judging an entire nation based on 4 people, but they are judging based on a pattern....a very clear one, if you are too stupid to see the pattern then too bad. If you object to judgement based on a pattern then you are just blinding yourself to the facts. The facts are very clear but it needs a certain level of intelligence to see them. As for your comment about being a bit ruder than Westerners...LOL...they aren't a bit ruder, their rudeness is totally off the charts. As for your comment about racism, you just expose your own stupidity and bigotry there again, relaying in worn out platitudes to attack with. I said mainland Chinese, I didn't actually paint all Chinese with the same brush at all, so no racism there matey. And I know quite a few non mainland Chinese who find the behavior of the mainland Chinese even more disgusting than I do. Now go and put your dunce hat on.

Mainland Chinese is clearly a racial grouping (races are defined by culture not just by skin tone or language). There is no such pattern. You live in the Far East where the Chinese out number every single other ethnic group combined. Of course you hear bad things about Chinese people - there are a lot of them and some of them are absolutely the suckiest people on earth. But... you have no pattern just a load of data that you are grouping into a pattern that suits you - if there was air-rage on a daily basis from the Chinese; then you would have a trend to derogate the people of China with but you don't because there isn't. It is a good idea to understand statistical significance and the norms for behaviour within a population before jumping on your high horse to condemn them.

If you want to define race to include culture then go right ahead and accuse the whole forum of being racist...nobody cares, this isn't the 80's or 90's anymore and people won't find it quite it as easy to defend bad behavior by hiding behind accusations of racism. Those days are gone, if you want to live in the past then go ahead though. As for statistical significance, I think the observation of obnoxious behavior is easily high enough even given the large population and that makes it statistically significant. I already said that so we've already covered that angle, you just didn't notice and that's because you don't really understand that's all that statistical significance really means. My definition of high enough is, for example, that every single flight I get on now has a large contingent of mainland Chinese and they are always loud and rude and that's a lot of flights. If you want actual data, go and collect it, but the rest of us can form balanced judgements without needing to build an excel spreadsheet. As for norms. I don't care if their norm is to be loud, obnoxious and inconsiderate etc, because in other countries it isn't the norm and were talking about how the mainland Chinese behave when traveling abroad.

[rametindallas]

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I'm not sure how the behaviour of 4 idiots is somehow supposed to reflect on their nation as a whole. The whole world is full of really stupid and often quite nasty people; this doesn't mean that you can start painting "anti-China" rhetoric on everything over an isolated incident.

God knows, I've lived in China and have some idea of how difficult the Chinese can be but this isn't typical or even close to typical Chinese behaviour and would be best ignored as an abberration.

This particular case , doesn't happen every day obviously. I lived in China for a few years myself and I find that they have very poor "Social skills" shall we call them. I was not lucky enough to be in Shanghai or Beijing , but Wuhan , X'ian , Changsha and a number of smaller towns, you know population 8 million those sort of little hamlets

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[TheSiemReaper]

@Paddyjenkins - it is clear that no-one can win a battle of wits when their opponent arrives unarmed to the tournament. I bow to your lack of preparation and failure to understand "statistical signifcance" in the meaningful and commonly accepted manner and congratulate you on blaming "political correctness gone mad" for your racism. That's a tactic that no racist has ever tried before. Honest.

[fxe1200]

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China is one weird country with a billion people who have been brainwashed all of their lives.You would think communist (Socialist) countries would preach for an ordered considerate society. However due to the Chairman's purges it became dangerous to talk openly and keep company with anyone except immediate family so their social skills are non existent. China is also pretty much a lawless state, you only feel the power of the Government if you attempt to undermine or disrupt them.Offences against other citizens is pretty much unpunished. So their behavior in this case, although not excusable is an extension of the pushing in queues, driving with no thought of other road users, spitting and shitting in public, smoking in elevators and generally being obnoxious and rude. As my Mum used to say "Its the way they have been brought up"

Not a pop at Chinese as a Race , 60 years of communism has not done the People of PRC a lot of favours

Sorry, there is no "Socialism" or "Communism" in China, you may call it "State Capitalism".

Yes agreed, Chinese Communism might be more accurate description

Have a look at the definition of "communism: at wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism, "....is a socioeconomic system structured upon common ownership of the means of production and characterized by the absence of social classes,.....", then you know, that the use of the word communism for the Chinese society is completely wrong, even when the government of China proclaim their state as a communist state.

[AlQaholic]

Maybe their pictures could be posted on some web site where passengers can visit to see what flights should be avoided? For example if I am boarding an airplane I would access the site and see if any of my fellow passengers is there, then if I spot one I would ask the flight attendant kindly if I could disembark and take another flight.

[gemini81]

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China is one weird country with a billion people who have been brainwashed all of their lives.You would think communist (Socialist) countries would preach for an ordered considerate society. However due to the Chairman's purges it became dangerous to talk openly and keep company with anyone except immediate family so their social skills are non existent. China is also pretty much a lawless state, you only feel the power of the Government if you attempt to undermine or disrupt them.Offences against other citizens is pretty much unpunished. So their behavior in this case, although not excusable is an extension of the pushing in queues, driving with no thought of other road users, spitting and shitting in public, smoking in elevators and generally being obnoxious and rude. As my Mum used to say "Its the way they have been brought up"

Not a pop at Chinese as a Race , 60 years of communism has not done the People of PRC a lot of favours

Sorry, there is no "Socialism" or "Communism" in China, you may call it "State Capitalism".

Yes agreed, Chinese Communism might be more accurate description

Have a look at the definition of "communism: at wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism, "....is a socioeconomic system structured upon common ownership of the means of production and characterized by the absence of social classes,.....", then you know, that the use of the word communism for the Chinese society is completely wrong, even when the government of China proclaim their state as a communist state.

The Communist party of china runs china, kicks people in the country side out to live in stack 'em and pack 'em units in vacant cities that are pre-built. That reeks of communism.

[ExPratt]

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China is one weird country with a billion people who have been brainwashed all of their lives.You would think communist (Socialist) countries would preach for an ordered considerate society. However due to the Chairman's purges it became dangerous to talk openly and keep company with anyone except immediate family so their social skills are non existent. China is also pretty much a lawless state, you only feel the power of the Government if you attempt to undermine or disrupt them.Offences against other citizens is pretty much unpunished. So their behavior in this case, although not excusable is an extension of the pushing in queues, driving with no thought of other road users, spitting and shitting in public, smoking in elevators and generally being obnoxious and rude. As my Mum used to say "Its the way they have been brought up"

Not a pop at Chinese as a Race , 60 years of communism has not done the People of PRC a lot of favours

Sorry, there is no "Socialism" or "Communism" in China, you may call it "State Capitalism".

Yes agreed, Chinese Communism might be more accurate description

Have a look at the definition of "communism: at wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism, "....is a socioeconomic system structured upon common ownership of the means of production and characterized by the absence of social classes,.....", then you know, that the use of the word communism for the Chinese society is completely wrong, even when the government of China proclaim their state as a communist state.

Yes I know what communism is , they call themselves communists and they did start off trying to follow communist ideals by returning the land to the peasants but then taking it back when the farms were collectivized, I think Mao soon realized there was no way to rule China without an Autocratic regime.Hence Purges, collectivization ,Great leap forward , cultural revolution killing some 70 million people.

Edit forgot this bit, Oh and I agree they are not communist

Edited December 16, 2014 by ExPratt

[rametindallas]

I'm not sure how the behaviour of 4 idiots is somehow supposed to reflect on their nation as a whole. The whole world is full of really stupid and often quite nasty people; this doesn't mean that you can start painting "anti-China" rhetoric on everything over an isolated incident.

God knows, I've lived in China and have some idea of how difficult the Chinese can be but this isn't typical or even close to typical Chinese behaviour and would be best ignored as an abberration.

Since you're not sure I'll help you along a bit.

The reason is its part of a pattern, not an isolated incident, just another one. Mainland Chinese tourists are seen and reported behaving poorly, far more so than any other nationality I am aware of, even factoring in the population size.

From stealing life vests and crockery on planes, to screaming and shouting and fighting, we hear the stories all the time. But even if there isn't a "scene", on every flight I've been on they tend to ruin the trip for other travelers because of talking and shouting extremely loudly and moving about the plane. Off the plane their behavior is often equally disgusting and inconsiderate and ill mannered, including spitting, shouting and causing disturbance of the peace wherever they go, to public defecation, to throwing tantrums, to pushing and shoving and cutting into queues.

And it doesn't stop there. They have a reputation for greed and dishonesty in business, those that are wealthy often display their wealth in the most vulgar fashion and we frequently learn that they have gained that wealth through either corruption or cheating.

Yes, yawn yawn yawn, I already know what your going to say...don't generalize...it's not all...well, we know not all, we know there are probably many who are decent and considerate, but the frequency of terrible behavior is prevalent enough that their image is now deservedly bad. If they want to improve their image, and I doubt they really care, then relying on idiot apologists won't get them far, because the only thing that will help is to start behaving decently and respectfully towards other nationalities and in other peoples countries.

Hope you get it now.

... to screaming and shouting

Cantonese speaking woman missed her flight at the boarding gate HKIA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbVw7entkxg

[Kees5555]

1 or 2 times a year I eat in this big restaurant at ground floor at Suvarnabhumi Airport. Every time I noticed 2-3 groups of people talking in a way that resembles shouting.... always Chinese. Also a couple of times in restaurants at Jomtien Beach.

[wabothai]

Adjustment will take at least 50 years.

[paddyjenkins]

@Paddyjenkins - it is clear that no-one can win a battle of wits when their opponent arrives unarmed to the tournament. I bow to your lack of preparation and failure to understand "statistical signifcance" in the meaningful and commonly accepted manner and congratulate you on blaming "political correctness gone mad" for your racism. That's a tactic that no racist has ever tried before. Honest.

You can't win this battle of wits because you are half witted

Now, here's a test for you...I take a 100 flights to various destinations and with various starting points and am extremely disturbed by shouting and inconsiderate behavior on 60 of those flights and that's just the ones with a large contingent of mainland Chinese...is that or is that not statistically significant in terms of there being a correlation between disturbance and the presence of mainland Chinese? Hmmm....go and plug that into your little formula and see what it says.

Edited December 16, 2014 by paddyjenkins

[paddyjenkins]

I'm not sure how the behaviour of 4 idiots is somehow supposed to reflect on their nation as a whole. The whole world is full of really stupid and often quite nasty people; this doesn't mean that you can start painting "anti-China" rhetoric on everything over an isolated incident.

God knows, I've lived in China and have some idea of how difficult the Chinese can be but this isn't typical or even close to typical Chinese behaviour and would be best ignored as an abberration.

Since you're not sure I'll help you along a bit.

The reason is its part of a pattern, not an isolated incident, just another one. Mainland Chinese tourists are seen and reported behaving poorly, far more so than any other nationality I am aware of, even factoring in the population size.

From stealing life vests and crockery on planes, to screaming and shouting and fighting, we hear the stories all the time. But even if there isn't a "scene", on every flight I've been on they tend to ruin the trip for other travelers because of talking and shouting extremely loudly and moving about the plane. Off the plane their behavior is often equally disgusting and inconsiderate and ill mannered, including spitting, shouting and causing disturbance of the peace wherever they go, to public defecation, to throwing tantrums, to pushing and shoving and cutting into queues.

And it doesn't stop there. They have a reputation for greed and dishonesty in business, those that are wealthy often display their wealth in the most vulgar fashion and we frequently learn that they have gained that wealth through either corruption or cheating.

Yes, yawn yawn yawn, I already know what your going to say...don't generalize...it's not all...well, we know not all, we know there are probably many who are decent and considerate, but the frequency of terrible behavior is prevalent enough that their image is now deservedly bad. If they want to improve their image, and I doubt they really care, then relying on idiot apologists won't get them far, because the only thing that will help is to start behaving decently and respectfully towards other nationalities and in other peoples countries.

Hope you get it now.

... to screaming and shouting

Cantonese speaking woman missed her flight at the boarding gate HKIA

LOL....I enjoyed that

[Lupatria]

Such uncivilised behaviour will not be accepted anywhere, let alone aboard a flight.

Then why did the Thai cops let them go after a short interview so they could catch the next flight?

[ExPratt]

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China is one weird country with a billion people who have been brainwashed all of their lives.You would think communist (Socialist) countries would preach for an ordered considerate society. However due to the Chairman's purges it became dangerous to talk openly and keep company with anyone except immediate family so their social skills are non existent. China is also pretty much a lawless state, you only feel the power of the Government if you attempt to undermine or disrupt them.Offences against other citizens is pretty much unpunished. So their behavior in this case, although not excusable is an extension of the pushing in queues, driving with no thought of other road users, spitting and shitting in public, smoking in elevators and generally being obnoxious and rude. As my Mum used to say "Its the way they have been brought up"

Not a pop at Chinese as a Race , 60 years of communism has not done the People of PRC a lot of favours

From what I have read, pre revoulution was much worse.

Depends if you class 70 million dead in a few years as worse than what they had before. Its a massive ungovernable country

[rametindallas]

Thank you, I always enjoy being patronized by a racist ignoramus for breakfast. It's good to see the world through your own prejudiced lenses just so I can be thankful that no matter how much of a git I am today; I will still fall short of your own dramatic standards.

You may "hear stories all the time" but whilst there's no doubt that the Chinese are a bit rude by a Western yardstick; they are not particularly given to violent outbursts on planes any certainly not more so than any other nationality. You may be laying in wait to blame everything on Chinese people; the more rational of us tend to ask sensible questions like; "Which total plonker judges 1.3 billion people by the behaviour of 4 members of that group?" Sadly, I actually got an answer to that question. My condolences to you - life must be a wonderful place when you can see in ignorant black and white based on the occasional newspaper article.

So all posters living/working in China are lying??

The Chinese government supply their outbound tourists with a booklet "How to behave", because even the Chinese authorities acknowledge the problem!!

This is not racism, but sometimes you have to call a spade a spade, even if it doesn't fit into your lovely political correct la-la world!!

This poster lived in China for 3 years until he moved to Cambodia. I have a pretty good idea how China works; I ran a business there. This isn't about political correctness. This is about stupidity. You cannot say that "all English women are whores" because an English girl went down on a load of blokes in a Magaluf nightclub for a shot of alcohol; any more than you can say "all Chinese are evil" because 4 of them acted like idiots on a plane.

There simply is no correlation, nor pattern that would make these events statistically significant enough to tar all Chinese people with the same brush.

Oh, I also married a Chinese person. She'd never, ever behave like that.

Here we have a perfect example of a Straw Man Argument http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

You set up the Straw Man = any more than you can say "all Chinese are evil" (Nobody but you said this)

Then you knock the Straw Man down = You cannot say that "all English women are whores" because an English girl went down on a load of blokes in a Magaluf nightclub for a shot of alcohol Who would argue with that? Right?

As an American, I am stereotyped as a gun-loving, bible-thumping, war-mongering, racist, loud mouth who feels especially entitled. I accept that enough Americans who are that way that people are right to presume it is partly true until proven otherwise. Other posters with different experiences in China than yours were just sharing their own experiences in the interest of balance. I'm happy you got to live in a bubble during your time in China.

p.s. Stop defending China. It is the world's largest economy and we all may be spitting and pushing in line in the future.