Don't you find the heading of this forum annoying?

[wilcopops]

"Evaluate my photo"

If this is meant to be an "ARTS" forum, then the correct term should be "criticise my photo" - you don't "evaluate" art.

[faraday]

Critique most likely, but using the word "Criticise" is inaccurate & indeed wrong.

And yes, Art can be, & is Evaluated.

[MJP]

Critique most likely, but using the word "Criticise" is inaccurate & indeed wrong.

And yes, Art can be, & is Evaluated.

I was about to say "critique".

I had to consult Brian Sewell.

[rhythmworx]

Where's your photo?

if critique is what you want fine, otherwise this thread belongs in the pub forum.

[krisb]

How about 'Check my photo and tell me if it's crap or not'?

[rhythmworx]

^^^ That would work, straight to the point too, without any French loan words.

[Goshawk]

How about 'Check my photo and tell me if it's crap or not'?

summed up beautifully . . .

btw, Brian Sewell is one of my hero's . . . that is, for his ludicrously enjoyable & entertaining snobbish vernacular. Him & Roy 'Chubby' Brown are the ones i listen to for meaningful insight . . . (no joke)

[Goshawk]

what's more annoying (maybe not the right word/sentiment) are those poster's who week in/week out, offer apparent superior knowledge without actually showing anything outstanding from their own portfolio.

Hmmm . . . makes you wonder, doesn't it ?

[MJP]

what's more annoying (maybe not the right word/sentiment) are those poster's who week in/week out, offer apparent superior knowledge without actually showing anything outstanding from their own portfolio.

Hmmm . . . makes you wonder, doesn't it ?

No time to shoot these days and the only place I thread I can post in is Wide World.

[Goshawk]

what's more annoying (maybe not the right word/sentiment) are those poster's who week in/week out, offer apparent superior knowledge without actually showing anything outstanding from their own portfolio.

Hmmm . . . makes you wonder, doesn't it ?

No time to shoot these days and the only place I thread I can post in is Wide World.

fear not . . i was never thinking of you.

[MJP]

what's more annoying (maybe not the right word/sentiment) are those poster's who week in/week out, offer apparent superior knowledge without actually showing anything outstanding from their own portfolio.

Hmmm . . . makes you wonder, doesn't it ?

No time to shoot these days and the only place I thread I can post in is Wide World.

fear not . . i was never thinking of you.

Wot?!

Is there something wrong with my tog work?

[Phra Ek]

How about 'Check my photo and tell me if it's crap or not'?

.... and some pointers on how to take photos that are less crap in future?

[Phra Ek]

what's more annoying (maybe not the right word/sentiment) are those poster's who week in/week out, offer apparent superior knowledge without actually showing anything outstanding from their own portfolio.

Hmmm . . . makes you wonder, doesn't it ?

No time to shoot these days and the only place I thread I can post in is Wide World.

fear not . . i was never thinking of you.

Wot?!

Is there something wrong with my tog work?

- maybe I'm one of those people - but posters are asking for feedback - so I think it's great that people take the time to provide some.

[krisb]

How about 'Check my photo and tell me if it's crap or not'?

.... and some pointers on how to take photos that are less crap in future?

Always take the lens cap off.

[krisb]

what's more annoying (maybe not the right word/sentiment) are those poster's who week in/week out, offer apparent superior knowledge without actually showing anything outstanding from their own portfolio.

Hmmm . . . makes you wonder, doesn't it ?

No time to shoot these days and the only place I thread I can post in is Wide World.

fear not . . i was never thinking of you.

Wot?!

Is there something wrong with my tog work?

- maybe I'm one of those people - but posters are asking for feedback - so I think it's great that people take the time to provide some.

Oh no shortage of critics on this forum.

[Phra Ek]

How about 'Check my photo and tell me if it's crap or not'?

.... and some pointers on how to take photos that are less crap in future?

Always take the lens cap off.

Since switching to digital I don't have that issue any more - now it's .... "why is everything black ..... oh yes ...... doh"

[rhythmworx]

what's more annoying (maybe not the right word/sentiment) are those poster's who week in/week out, offer apparent superior knowledge without actually showing anything outstanding from their own portfolio.

Hmmm . . . makes you wonder, doesn't it ?

What's even worse is people you try to help, but they just ignore your efforts.

[Guest]

What's even worse is people you try to help, but they just ignore your efforts.

Sometimes it just takes time for the new information to reach to the back of the brain. The older we get, the more information we have stored on our synapses. When we learn new tricks, before the information is stored permanently, it has to be compared to the earlier learnings.. and this takes time.

I have noted that I lapse back to old habits every now and then. One reason is though "The heck of all the new, I just want to keep my hobby easy and fun". To balance the learning and fun at the moment I'm using my older bridge camera instead of m4/3 camera which gives far better image quality.

Another thing which is good to remember is that the advices never go to waste. Even if one person does not take the advices, on public forum there will be others who do. Sometimes silently on the background, sometimes thanking later on (and showing the results as well).

[wilcopops]

Critique most likely, but using the word "Criticise" is inaccurate & indeed wrong.

And yes, Art can be, & is Evaluated.

"Critique" is usually a noun "criticise" is a verb used in the Art world when discussing a work. Both words have a similar usage as regards art, but not in day-to-day conversation.

You may be aware of the habit in English of using French (or Latin) when trying to sound academic, in this case the difference is actually pretty immaterial.

A similar parallel a be drawn with the word "theory" which has different usage in general conversation as opposed to its scientific usage.

Edited January 13, 2015 by wilcopops

[wilcopops]

what's more annoying (maybe not the right word/sentiment) are those poster's who week in/week out, offer apparent superior knowledge without actually showing anything outstanding from their own portfolio.

Hmmm . . . makes you wonder, doesn't it ?

No time to shoot these days and the only place I thread I can post in is Wide World.

fear not . . i was never thinking of you.

Wot?!

Is there something wrong with my tog work?

- maybe I'm one of those people - but posters are asking for feedback - so I think it's great that people take the time to provide some.

Oh no shortage of critics on this forum.

"are those poster's who week in/week out, offer apparent superior knowledge without actually showing anything outstanding from their own portfolio." - so under your idea it would be impossible to criticise a Picasso because you hadn't painted one???

[harrry]

what's more annoying (maybe not the right word/sentiment) are those poster's who week in/week out, offer apparent superior knowledge without actually showing anything outstanding from their own portfolio.

Hmmm . . . makes you wonder, doesn't it ?

Why? Maybe the person's photos are too valuable to display on this forum. Posting photos or not says nothing about the person's ability to critique a photo.

[wilcopops]

..and why is it only photography? Is it because no one is actually an "artist" but actually just a hobbyist?

There certainly seems to be an obsession with equipment over product.

Edited January 14, 2015 by wilcopops

[MJP]

..and why is it only photography? Is it because no one is actually an "artist" but actually just a hobbyist?

There certainly seems to be an obsession with equipment over product.

I did once try an art topic. It died within about a page and half. Ended up ridiculing the Turner Prize, if I remember correctly and that was it.

Was going to try poetry. Hmmmm . . .

Storm clouds are gathering over the tog forum.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/56053365@N07/16271871831/in/photostream/lightbox/

[Kan Win]

Hi MJP,

Well it did Turned out to be a Prize Photo may I say

Win, just a snapper

[Tywais]

Post with inappropriate content removed and all comments associated with it. Think a bit before posting photos of that nature and the effect on the caliber of the photo forum.

Also, per the OP, there is nothing wrong with the word 'evaluate' as you do evaluate a photo as to it's technical merits and hopefully will get feedback as to what one feels about the technical aspect and subject aspect. That feedback can be negative but still be constructive.

And no, I don't find the heading annoying and believe it is being oversensitive and a bit pedantic to think so.

BTW, it is the Photography AND Arts forum, just the ARTs part hasn't fared well. I've been an art collector, both fine and conventional, for decades and I have no issue with the word evaluate as it pertains to my personal examination of a piece of art. Critique is for the professionals.

You can browse through these two topics to get a feel for the consensus.

Is Photography Art?

The Only Art Thread

//edit - oddly enough, I can't find a single photo that the OP has contributed to the photo forum. Perhaps worried about being 'critiqued'?

[MJP]

Hi MJP,

Well it did Turned out to be a Prize Photo may I say

Win, just a snapper

Got a "fave" from SoulRiser on Flickr as soon as it went up. He had a photo in the top 25 of Flickr for 2014.

I felt very honoured.

[HansVilder]

Hi MJP,

Well it did Turned out to be a Prize Photo may I say

Win, just a snapper

Got a "fave" from SoulRiser on Flickr as soon as it went up. He had a photo in the top 25 of Flickr for 2014.

I felt very honoured.

Jeez Creepers.... https://www.flickr.com/photos/7661492@N06/14074411192 ...That was #10 out of millions of Flickr uploads for 2014?

i almost choked on my chang! Had to go outside to get some air, and could've sworn i heard Polin's laughter wafting on the breeze all the way from the US.

[wilcopops]

Post with inappropriate content removed and all comments associated with it. Think a bit before posting photos of that nature and the effect on the caliber of the photo forum.

Also, per the OP, there is nothing wrong with the word 'evaluate' as you do evaluate a photo as to it's technical merits and hopefully will get feedback as to what one feels about the technical aspect and subject aspect. That feedback can be negative but still be constructive.

And no, I don't find the heading annoying and believe it is being oversensitive and a bit pedantic to think so.

BTW, it is the Photography AND Arts forum, just the ARTs part hasn't fared well. I've been an art collector, both fine and conventional, for decades and I have no issue with the word evaluate as it pertains to my personal examination of a piece of art. Critique is for the professionals.

You can browse through these two topics to get a feel for the consensus.

Is Photography Art?

The Only Art Thread

//edit - oddly enough, I can't find a single photo that the OP has contributed to the photo forum. Perhaps worried about being 'critiqued'?

"you do evaluate a photo as to it's technical merits and hopefully will get feedback as to what one feels about the technical aspect and subject aspect" - i don't think so - evaluate has basically numerical implications - unless you are going to guess the f-stop or focal length ISO or exposure values etc I can't see it as having any real application here. ...but that is tangential to "art"?

[Goompa]

Lighten up Dude , just an anonymous forum .

[Tywais]

i don't think so - evaluate has basically numerical implications - unless you are going to guess the f-stop or focal length ISO or exposure values etc I can't see it as having any real application here. ...but that is tangential to "art"?

Working in physics research (numerical implications) and a photographer I do know the meaning quite while in both environments. Here are a few criteria for photo 'evaluation' that do not necessitate numerical analysis. Photography is too subjective to pigeon hole a photo's properties into discrete components though there is some research in digital imaging to try to but just won't happen for a very long time.

As for tangential to art, you posted this OP under Evaluate My Photo sub-forum.

Note: I have a feeling this topic is a windup.

Evaluation metrics, none numerical entirely as there are tools to examine them but strongly subjective still:

• Image size and orientation
• Tonal range
• Colors
• Details
• Sharpness
• Noise

Then we have things like:

• Artist's Intent. Understanding what he was going for helps in how to evaluate a photo
• Emotional Impact. Self explanatory, that is, how does it make you feel?
• Structure. Formal, Abstract or Informal

A bunch more here:

Advanced Evaluation

In addition to the things already mentioned, take a close look at the following:

• The distribution, position, and relationship of shapes, forms, lines, and points;

• The visual pathways that suggest movement and motion within the frame;

• The visual balance, or lack thereof: symmetry, space, negative space;

• The color palette, distribution, saturation, and harmony;

• The distribution, weight, and balance of tones;

• The various textures and how they are lit;

• The effect of extraneous elements on the image;

• The influence of weather and atmospheric conditions on the image;

• If the information is available, the equipment used, the settings, and the accessories and their effects;

• The sharpness and/or blurring techniques, including shutter speed, aperture, and depth-of-field.