starky Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 Thanks mate apology accepted but unnecessary It was a bit of a rant granted but for mine in the 17 years I have been here it really hasn't concerned me who is running the show. I am frequently more often wrong than right and in this forum everyone should have their opinion. Clearly that is the point, as I said though I am far more concerned with politics back in Oz than I ever will in Thailand but I also understand this is the big topic amongst Thai experts who seem to be not experts about Thailand but experts in Thai forums This forum is full of people that know best about everything. It is refreshing to read a post from someone who recognizes that it is none of our concern. I'm from Oz too and I left there because among other reasons, the government stinks and I realized that I could do <deleted> all about that either. Here I can ignore politics and just live out my life. + 1 and the was the reason most of us were here to begin with anyway... Seriously ? Thai politics? Who gives a ....? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pacceka Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 He's forcing the citizens of Thailand to accept his autocracy by use of military force, and at the cost of an existing democracy, the constitution of which is being rewritten. Yawn. The world is full of people who believe their view is the only view that matters 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbthailand Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 Which reminds me….Did he finish up banning the newspaper for printing material that he didn't like? No. He lodged a complaint... Turns out this undemocratic Junta is more democratic than the last "democratic" government... I don't remember the last government owning half the terrestrial TV stations or running compulsory soviet style programming. That is because you have a selective memory my dear friend. Newspapers considered “critical” of the all shin governments had their advertisements pulled, first by the advertising agency owned by the thaksins family, then later by state enterprises under government control. Toeing the government line brought financial rewards. “Friendly” newspapers had been pleasantly surprised by the increased advertisements from business concerns related to the country’s CEO’s empire. Soviet style programming? The yingluck happy hour once week on TV? Or the red villages? Or the UDD schools? If anything the Junta are mimicking the PTP. Imitation is the most sincere form of flattery. So when you accuse the Junta of being anti democratic you are inadvertently showing that they have the deepest respect for the PTP. Nice post and have a lovely day my friend. If anything the Junta are mimicking the PTP. ... theme music to twighlight zone ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhizBang Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 Starting to get too embarassing, is it? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rickirs Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 How about asking the children, "What are the 12 steps to democracy?" Answer: "In Thailand there are no steps." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soalbundy Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 Never forced anyone to do anything ? If that is true it can only because all of his ideas are shit. He was right at the start of his last paragraph,'' its useless'' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soalbundy Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 How about asking the children, "What are the 12 steps to democracy?" Answer: "In Thailand there are no steps." Just a giant leap for Thaikind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casindonet Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 He's correct about this. Asking children to recite the 12 values only reinforces the rote-learning methods universally used in the Thai education system. Reporters should be asking children how the values should be used to help solve real life problems. That would develop critical thinking skills.Thailand's education system doesn't allowed the students to think.....just follow & do as they are told. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djjamie Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 Bad reporting or translation error... which is true? Thai junta leader and Prime Minister Prayuth Chan-ocha has instructed the media to stop asking children about whether they are familiar with his moral teachings, known as the "Twelve Values." or... I have never forced anyone to do anything. Also, although I don't support YL, why did she feel that she had to cancel her press conference yesterday? She didn't "feel" she had to the Army sent soldiers (with guns) and ordered her to not hold the press conference but DJJamie, rubl and the other 'Junta Lovers' will say that's ok Are you a script writer for Lord of the Rings? You have some fanciful stories. It seems that facts do not suit your agenda now because they have too much truth in them so you take license to make your stories a bit more colorful. Where does it say the military went around with guns and ordered her not to hold a press conference? Seems a bit like the "Thugs with guns violently removing the students off the stage" comment. Turned out they were 4 unarmed people that gently escorted them off stage of which 2 were women under 50 kg!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John1thru10 Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 Which reminds me….Did he finish up banning the newspaper for printing material that he didn't like? No. He lodged a complaint... Turns out this undemocratic Junta is more democratic than the last "democratic" government... Oh, no....he ordered numerous newsites to be blocked, actually. There goes your whole point, I realize. Sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John1thru10 Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 Thanks mate apology accepted but unnecessary It was a bit of a rant granted but for mine in the 17 years I have been here it really hasn't concerned me who is running the show. I am frequently more often wrong than right and in this forum everyone should have their opinion. Clearly that is the point, as I said though I am far more concerned with politics back in Oz than I ever will in Thailand but I also understand this is the big topic amongst Thai experts who seem to be not experts about Thailand but experts in Thai forums This forum is full of people that know best about everything. It is refreshing to read a post from someone who recognizes that it is none of our concern. I'm from Oz too and I left there because among other reasons, the government stinks and I realized that I could do <deleted> all about that either. Here I can ignore politics and just live out my life. I care about my Thai friends. You don't have to, but I do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rickirs Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 "to stop asking children about whether they are familiar with his moral teachings, known as the "Twelve Values." Okay, when the military stops using civilian government resources to promote Prayuth's personal 12 values as if he were a reincarnation of Buddha. "The Royal Thai Army has announced plans to use social media to promote the teachings of Thai junta leader and former army chief Prayuth Chan-ocha. We will establish a network on Facebook, social media sites, and websites that are popular among teenagers to develop the new generation of leaders," said Maj.Gen. Wattana, officer in charge of the army's Civilian Affairs Department. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alwyn Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 "Thai junta leader and Prime Minister Prayuth Chan-ocha has instructed the media to stop asking children".......... "That's not right. I have never forced anyone to do anything." Seems like a bit of a contradiction to me 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phatcharanan Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 The real reason is that the turnoff is loss of face. When children only have 10 fingers, they continually get stuck remembering #s 11 and 12. No doubt speaking from experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Time Traveller Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 Never forced anyone to do anything ? Not forced, but technically as a General he ordered the troups to tseize control of the country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggt Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 Gen. Prayuth said. "That's not right. I have never forced anyone to do anything." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggt Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 The government should give these journalist a test...make them write down from memory the '12 elements of Thainess'...not allow them to publish...until they can do so... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falangjim Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 Brain washed, brain dead kids. One of major problem in Thailand is the extremely poor level of Edcuation. Absolutely nothing is done to improve the situation for future generations. Such a pity. A friend wiser than me once said that Thailand's education does nothing to inspire, but everything to imprison. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaamBaht Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 The good general says he never forced anyone to do anything yet schools have to drop other academic courses to add the civics course demanded by the good general and the corner stone of that: the twelve values! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post iReason Posted January 24, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted January 24, 2015 Bad reporting or translation error... which is true? Thai junta leader and Prime Minister Prayuth Chan-ocha has instructed the media to stop asking children about whether they are familiar with his moral teachings, known as the "Twelve Values." or... I have never forced anyone to do anything. Also, although I don't support YL, why did she feel that she had to cancel her press conference yesterday? She didn't "feel" she had to the Army sent soldiers (with guns) and ordered her to not hold the press conference but DJJamie, rubl and the other 'Junta Lovers' will say that's ok Are you a script writer for Lord of the Rings? You have some fanciful stories. It seems that facts do not suit your agenda now because they have too much truth in them so you take license to make your stories a bit more colorful. Where does it say the military went around with guns and ordered her not to hold a press conference? Seems a bit like the "Thugs with guns violently removing the students off the stage" comment. Turned out they were 4 unarmed people that gently escorted them off stage of which 2 were women under 50 kg!! Right. You think they weren't armed? Gently? You can ascertain that from a still photo? "It seems that facts do not suit your agenda" You have demonstrated clearly, time after time that if posts blow your agenda out of the water, you ignore them. Even words from your Dear Leader's lips. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokay Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 This guy is going to go down in history as one of the biggest clowns to ever run this country further into the ground. Every time he opens his mouth something stupid comes out of it. All you need to know is that he gets his moves from a fortune teller. Everything past that should be dismissed as nonsense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iReason Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 "to stop asking children about whether they are familiar with his moral teachings, known as the "Twelve Values." Okay, when the military stops using civilian government resources to promote Prayuth's personal 12 values as if he were a reincarnation of Buddha. "The Royal Thai Army has announced plans to use social media to promote the teachings of Thai junta leader and former army chief Prayuth Chan-ocha. We will establish a network on Facebook, social media sites, and websites that are popular among teenagers to develop the new generation of leaders," said Maj.Gen. Wattana, officer in charge of the army's Civilian Affairs Department. Yeah, Uncle Too's version of the Brown Shirts. These tin-pot autocrats are all the same and very predictable. Given their limited mental resources. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ezzra Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 Don't force the poor kids with anything that doesn't have an app for it, if it's not on tweeter ,Facebook or instagram, than it's not worth knowing says the kids of today 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bangon04 Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 Don't force the poor kids with anything that doesn't have an app for it, if it's not on tweeter ,Facebook or instagram, than it's not worth knowing says the kids of today Why not force the kids to learn and recite the 12 values of Thai moral superiority? Schoolkids are forced from an early age to recite / sing the military national anthem, forced to salute the flag, forced to learn selective Thai history, forced to grovel to the rich and old regardless. Why should this be any different? It is just another aspect of Thainess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kinmaew Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 What a lovely man, Thailand is such a free open society and no one is forced to do anything. In fact now foreigners are fully welcome to own land and work in their home profession no problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
car720 Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 He's correct about this. Asking children to recite the 12 values only reinforces the rote-learning methods universally used in the Thai education system. Reporters should be asking children how the values should be used to help solve real life problems. That would develop critical thinking skills. Yes, I am not going to be too quick to jump on this guy although in the end I most probably will. It seems he knows what is needed but just has no idea, nor advisers with any idea. My experience in schools in Thailand has shown me that until they expunge the teachers totally they will never have education. The Chinese did it with great success. They closed down all the schools and kicked out all the teachers and curriculum and started all over again. The Thai kids know more than their teachers because they learn from the internet and they are not kissing the rear end of the director who is making money from commercial interests outside the school. I have seen with my own eyes kids being farmed out as cheap labour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
attrayant Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 (edited) He did not specify any TV channel by name, but simply went on to urge "all TV channels and all media agencies" not to spoil the Twelve Values by repetitively asking children to recite them. Can't wait to tell my school about this. The kids are repetitively asked to recite them in home room once or twice a week. Edited January 25, 2015 by attrayant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernieOnTour Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 I would be more interested about the real reasons behind this request. Does anyone know, what percentage of the interviewed kids could recite the 12 values? Grin - I' ll get my coat- 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laughing Gravy Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 Which reminds me….Did he finish up banning the newspaper for printing material that he didn't like? No. He lodged a complaint... Turns out this undemocratic Junta is more democratic than the last "democratic" government... Well if that's the case as you have pointed out then we will have a democratic government next week then! Or are we talking nonsense again. Some people are always supporting the cause and making wild statements, like more democratic than the last democratic government. Look at a dictionary what the term means. It usually means been voted in and not forced into power. unless you have a different version. Is it called the Thainess dictionary? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dumbastheycome Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 The original request was for Thais to consider the "12 values" in the hope that adopting them as a philosophical attitude would be of advantage to Thailand. The objection to the media harrassment of students may be to prevent the thinking that they were a "dictate". Other than the initial enforced displacement of an already disfunctional government this junta has progressively created the best real chances of a legitimate democratic system using public submissions and applying existing law appropriately and transparently. I am fascinated negatively as to why so many "farang" deride the efforts and am thinking that maybe it is because they preferred a corrupt system which allowed them to buy their way around or out of trouble???? Is it never considered that Thailand may be in need of creating a new face of respectability going into the new era of ASEAN? 1.2 trillion bht was "trickled" out of Thailand in 2012. Even in an economy as large as Thailand that hurts. The leaks are being plugged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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