Issit Suitable To Grow Cherry Tree In Thailand ?

[oilysang]

Just wonder it is suitable in thailand , the weather etc

[chownah]

I don't think so. In the north they raise something called mountain cherries but they are really plums that look like cherries....they're OK but not nearly as good as real cherries.

[TBWG]

Just wonder it is suitable in thailand , the weather etc

Hi Oilysang

I suspect the insects/ creepy crawlies would make short work of any non indigenous plants that managed to cope with what would be to them a perpetual summer.

TBWG

[udon]

Only in the north where you get extremes in temperatures.

[oilysang]

I don't think so. In the north they raise something called mountain cherries but they are really plums that look like cherries....they're OK but not nearly as good as real cherries.

I plan to grow stella&bing cherry tree in chiang rai but i dun know much about the tree. I just wanna find out is the weather suitable in chiang rai ??

[oilysang]

Just wonder it is suitable in thailand , the weather etc

Hi Oilysang

I suspect the insects/ creepy crawlies would make short work of any non indigenous plants that managed to cope with what would be to them a perpetual summer.

TBWG

HI tbwg

Unsect probelm i think should not be a problem if the weather permits......... another problem , the result may not be as good as what u grow in usa or aust..

[sbk]

Many temperate climate fruit & nut trees have chilling requirements ie accumulated cold season hours below 7 degrees C.

Sweet Cherry trees require between 600 and 1400 hours below 7 degrees C

Sour Cherry trees require between 700 and 1300 hours below 7 degrees C

They will not flower or form fruit if they do not achieve this chilling requirement.

[chownah]

I've been looking on the internet and found:

Abstract:

Cherry is (Prunus avium L.) known as a high chilling requiring species, suitable to continental climates. However, scientists and growers are recently looking for the opportunities of growing cherries at subtropical and tropical areas. For this aim, studies were carried out at the University of Cukurova, Department of Horticulture, since 1990. In the experiments, besides the performances of cherry cultivars, chilling requirements were also calculated. Cristobalina, Temprano de Sot, Precoce de Bernard, Sunburst, Lapins, Chelan and Na-1 are the promising cherry cultivars, suitable to subtropical conditions

From: http://www.actahort.org/members/showpdf?bo...0requirement%22

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Also found:

Chilling requirements - about 1000-1500 hr

From: http://www.uga.edu/fruit/cherry.html

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Also found:

‘Stella’ Though its chill requirement is high, gardeners in colder pockets of Orange, San Diego and Riverside counties report good production from this variety. Described as self-fruitful, Bill Nelson finds that ‘Stella’ does better with a cross pollinator such as ‘Black Tartarian’. The fruit is tasty and dark-burgundy. ‘Stella’ remains a question mark in my coastal garden. I planted one several years ago and, initially, it took a dive. It seems to be coming back, but I've yet to see a bloom on it. I'll give it another year or two before I determine the little tree's fate. Late. (700 hours).

From: http://www.davewilson.com/homegrown/advice..._plantsoup.html

The "(700 hours)" is the chill requirement which is in hours required per year below 45 degrees F. This site indicates that stella is not a good pollinator. This probably means that it will not act as a pollinator for your bing trees....bing cherries absolutely must have a pollinator (as far as what I have heard...I'm from a cherry producing part of the US) and it looks like stella won't be a good one.

Also, this site says that the chill requirement is only a guideline and in certain microclimates a cherry might produce fruit even if you fall short of the required period...sometimes.

Also from this site I found:

Prunus tomentosa, Nanking Cherry Bill Nelson recommends this Chinese species cherry for low-chill gardens. It grows as a six-foot-tall shrub with bright-pink fruit that ripen around the Fourth of July. For best production, you’ll need at least two plants. Nanking cherry is closely related to traditional cherries, which are cultivars of Prunus avium, meaning their fruit is similar — but not identical. Still, Nanking is well worth a try. "It's a lovely little shrub," Nelson says. “Plant a row, and you'll have all the cherries you want." Midseason. (300 hours)

I'm thinking that this is what they grow in northern Thailand and sell as "mountain cherries" (see my first post).....notice that they are Prunus tomentosa which is not a true cherry...true sweet cherries being Prunus avium.

And by the way, I've eaten what I think are dried "mountain cherries" in Mae Sai and they are really tasty and worth a try....the fresh ones are good but sort of a dissappointment if you are hoping for a real cherry....I'm used to bing cherries (never seen them in Thailand though) so maybe I'm spoiled.

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[oilysang]

I've been looking on the internet and found:

Abstract:

Cherry is (Prunus avium L.) known as a high chilling requiring species, suitable to continental climates. However, scientists and growers are recently looking for the opportunities of growing cherries at subtropical and tropical areas. For this aim, studies were carried out at the University of Cukurova, Department of Horticulture, since 1990. In the experiments, besides the performances of cherry cultivars, chilling requirements were also calculated. Cristobalina, Temprano de Sot, Precoce de Bernard, Sunburst, Lapins, Chelan and Na-1 are the promising cherry cultivars, suitable to subtropical conditions

From: http://www.actahort.org/members/showpdf?bo...0requirement%22

j------------------------------------

Also found:

Chilling requirements - about 1000-1500 hr

From: http://www.uga.edu/fruit/cherry.html

--------------------------------------

Also found:

‘Stella’ Though its chill requirement is high, gardeners in colder pockets of Orange, San Diego and Riverside counties report good production from this variety. Described as self-fruitful, Bill Nelson finds that ‘Stella’ does better with a cross pollinator such as ‘Black Tartarian’. The fruit is tasty and dark-burgundy. ‘Stella’ remains a question mark in my coastal garden. I planted one several years ago and, initially, it took a dive. It seems to be coming back, but I've yet to see a bloom on it. I'll give it another year or two before I determine the little tree's fate. Late. (700 hours).

From: http://www.davewilson.com/homegrown/advice..._plantsoup.html

The "(700 hours)" is the chill requirement which is in hours required per year below 45 degrees F. This site indicates that stella is not a good pollinator. This probably means that it will not act as a pollinator for your bing trees....bing cherries absolutely must have a pollinator (as far as what I have heard...I'm from a cherry producing part of the US) and it looks like stella won't be a good one.

Also, this site says that the chill requirement is only a guideline and in certain microclimates a cherry might produce fruit even if you fall short of the required period...sometimes.

Also from this site I found:

Prunus tomentosa, Nanking Cherry Bill Nelson recommends this Chinese species cherry for low-chill gardens. It grows as a six-foot-tall shrub with bright-pink fruit that ripen around the Fourth of July. For best production, you’ll need at least two plants. Nanking cherry is closely related to traditional cherries, which are cultivars of Prunus avium, meaning their fruit is similar — but not identical. Still, Nanking is well worth a try. "It's a lovely little shrub," Nelson says. “Plant a row, and you'll have all the cherries you want." Midseason. (300 hours)

I'm thinking that this is what they grow in northern Thailand and sell as "mountain cherries" (see my first post).....notice that they are Prunus tomentosa which is not a true cherry...true sweet cherries being Prunus avium.

And by the way, I've eaten what I think are dried "mountain cherries" in Mae Sai and they are really tasty and worth a try....the fresh ones are good but sort of a dissappointment if you are hoping for a real cherry....I'm used to bing cherries (never seen them in Thailand though) so maybe I'm spoiled.

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Thanks all for the informations, you guys are really helpful.