SOTIRIOS Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 ...never heard of ANY corporation paying their employees an annual bonus equivalent to several times their monthly...and in some cases annual salary.. ...same at AOT... ...a wonder that they can operate at all.... ...apparently at a lost for several years now... ...regardless of performance....bonuses are to be earned....not to be bled out of a company.... ....know somebody...get a job.....etc...etc.... ...hope the army investigates this bonus structure.....and puts a stop to it...... ... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhizBang Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 The Ministry of Tourism and Sports said earlier that the routes enjoy high passenger growth. So, you are cancelling the routes due to high demand? Must be Thai logic, because I do not get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAG Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 After ten years of flying Thai airways - I parted company when I learnt they allowed employes time off to attend Bangkok marches , which led to this coup. So I have no sympathy - especially with their inflated prices and pretensions . Well that cost them your custom, but probably helped ensure that they will continue to be kept out of rhe financial pooh by this government. Probably won't do them any harm when their share of the domestic market falls to the point at which the low cost carriers need to be reined in either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob009 Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 I worked for BA for 44 years when I was in the UK. Now retired in Thailand. Working for a major airline has the perk of cheap travel if seats are available. You also get cheaper tickets on other airlines. When I used to travel in and out of Thailand 6-7 times a year I might have had to use Thai on certain times of the year as BA were very busy if I didn't want to go via Hong Kong. Thai run 2 flights a day out of the UK one at lunch time and one at night. They had their highs and low seasons like most airlines. But they were useful to get to Thailand. Their service is average but their meals are uninteresting and their planes are so outdated. BA, & Eva had the better service, but that was before the Arabs stepped in. They are a dominating force in Europe now and one of the biggest threats to Thai and other airlines.Thais withdrawal of services will not affect their slots as the Thai Government own Thai and will give them the slots back when they wish to fly back to Europe, Thai Airways has been in trouble for years and years losing billions of Baht, all they do is change the CEO. There were talks of selling of 49% but this is yet to happen as nobody wants an airline riddled with debt. This saga will go on and on until Thai is privatized and it starts making profits. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luxfare Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 ...never heard of ANY corporation paying their employees an annual bonus equivalent to several times their monthly...and in some cases annual salary.. ...same at AOT... ...a wonder that they can operate at all.... ...apparently at a lost for several years now... ...regardless of performance....bonuses are to be earned....not to be bled out of a company.... ....know somebody...get a job.....etc...etc.... ...hope the army investigates this bonus structure.....and puts a stop to it...... ... most companies in Thailand pay large bonuses like this...admittedly if the company is under performing they shouldn't be getting flat bonuses but I guarantee if they didn't pay anything they would strike. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AaronIsaan Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 Hi, need help! My friend has a ticket from Bangkok to Madrid in march, anyone know if the cancellation is immediate? If so, what to do? Sorry about my English... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadychris Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 (edited) So THAI is in trouble is it..?? I wonder why... Return flight, BKK > London THAI - 48,000 THB BA - 33,000 THB All Others - 28,000 - 32,000 THB D'uh! Work it out people! Your quoted prices are anecdotal as you will always be able to find quite substantial differences depending where you book, times and days of travel etc etc. I have always found BA to be much much dearer than either Thai or EVA (my preferred choice) I would love to know how or where you managed to get a BA flight for just 33,000 I just ran a quick search on Ebooker for a flight this week returning in 3 weeks and got the following Thai 31,374 BHT EVA 34,256 BHT BA 41,507 BHT And yes you may save 4 - 5000 BHT by using one of the middle eastern airlines but they do not fly direct! So instead of a 12 hour flight you can have anything between 14 to 24 flight time. Personally I would sooner stump up the extra 5000 and not have the inconvenience of getting off and hanging about in a middle east airport for 2 - 12 hours. Edited February 9, 2015 by Shadychris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmacee Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 (edited) In October flew with Ukrainian Airlines ..Gatwick ..Kiev ..Bangkok (rtn)...21000BT ...and good service .. Will always opt for a stopover ..12/13 hours flying is painful .. Edited February 9, 2015 by rmacee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tham1 Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 I'm surprised THAI didn't ask the other airlines to put their prices up so they could be more price competitive! They tried that on the domestic routes a few weeks back didn't they trying to get the budget carriers to rise fares - clowns Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yogavnture Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 Thai is far too expensive anyway, Europeans are smart enough to see that. maybe expensive. true. but americans love to fly thai. best service . bar none Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digbat Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 Most Thai in UK that I know have always preferred Eva, they say they get treated poorly on TG. TG are not always the most expensive, to NZ recently they were the cheapest. Yer ---really,... who would want to go to New Zealand anyway...... ...unless you have just fallen in love with a sheep or something........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerome2 Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 they aparently want to go bankrupt the flights are the same price as last year with a fuelcost cut by half....tingtong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Frank Bullitt Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 Hi, need help! My friend has a ticket from Bangkok to Madrid in march, anyone know if the cancellation is immediate? If so, what to do? Sorry about my English... "Thai suspends flight program to Moscow from 29 March" on Thai's Russian web site, check the Spanish site perhaps?. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bangrak Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 I believe their plan is to sell 22 planes, not 42. They need to address their bloated payroll of 25,000 employees. Would anyone ever be brave enough to, at the risk of his life, make the count of the functions which need to be filled at THAI, I mean the number of real jobs there are, to run the company in top-conditions for the planes, the passengers, ...and the staff? In the 'lower' levels you have scores of useless people having got a job thanks to the trade unions and 'influential people', but no work to do, the mid- and high-levels, ground and flying, are full of people having been 'introduced by', or somewhere part of, better-off 'elite families', including from politics, 'officials', police and army, as for what the top-level and the board are concerned, when you look at the names, and the ranks of many, it's as clear as crystal they aren't there to work and do a serious job, evident proof of being the dismissal of the first ever GM worth the name, who was becoming too big a risk for those fat parasites, starting to manage THAI, as company, and as an airline... My wild guess is a work(!)force of about 15,000 would then do the trick, maybe later even less, 12,000? P.S.: Is the catering still part of THAI, or has it been privatised earlier? When not, do it! Providing it aren't guys à la King Power who get it, THAI would 100% sure be able to offer better meals with a lower cost... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeroy221 Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 Does anyone know whats really happening? Is there any danger for UK flights? I booked my trip yesterday as their price had dropped over the last week, been monitoring for 4 weeks, and Eva had stayed the same. Now a day later i hear this and am panicking quite a bit and getting a bit worried Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bangon04 Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 Maybe want to take a look at how many customers are enjoying freebies on Thai. Frequent flyers are certainly not enjoying the benefits, despite flying more than 100,000 miles a year(yeah silly me) on TG, upgrades are non existant. I joined Cathay making it to Silver in two months and have already been upgraded once. I had / have the same experience. Also when the Platinum level was introduced, they told me it was by invitation only, regardless of miles flown, and I am not Thai, so shouldn't expect to be invited.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuddy Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 Thai air certainly deserves a lot of criticism and I note that this has been dealt to them on this forum, rightfully so on the prices in most cases. However flying out of Bangkok with other airlines generally means you will have a longish, sometimes shortish layover somewhere and in my case is KL. I fly to Australia from Bangkok from time to time and I certainly enjoy the direct flight. To me the direct flight is better than saving maybe 5000 to 10000 baht. Yes some would differ on that. And on those direct flights I have found Thai Air service to be quite fine. To clarify I generally fly economy but have also from time to time used the business class. Thai air in my case have been timely, the service has been fine and the hostesses very nice. If I were to criticise Thai Air I would say that they have way too many staff employed to sit around doing nothing. AOT may also want to revue their excess staff levels as well. Thai Air is bloated with staff and from what I read in the news its also bloated at the top level. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PMZ Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 Does anyone know whats really happening? Is there any danger for UK flights? I booked my trip yesterday as their price had dropped over the last week, been monitoring for 4 weeks, and Eva had stayed the same. Now a day later i hear this and am panicking quite a bit and getting a bit worried I do not think you will need to worry, the UK flights are a different category. The Madrid service was only three or four flights per week, which lowers demand because of choice of flight days, so this route has been losing money. Moscow is simply falling demand, so they are just taking that opportunity to leave a tough price market. UK fights are critical feeders for Thai, so I doubt we will see any real impact there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony5 Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 Bangkok to Moscow, have been cancelled but only on a temporary basis.THAI will definitely resume flights to these routes in future when it is ready, said Mr Charamporn.The Ministry of Tourism and Sports said earlier that the routes enjoy high passenger growth. I don't doubt for a minute that the Bangkok - Moscow route enjoys high passenger growth, however I suppose it's only in the direction Moscow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farang2002 Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 The Trans Aero flights from Russia always seem full. They have to be a lot cheaper than Thai. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gyrosman Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 The bigger picture is selling 42( don't fly a start up airline in a war torn country because you will might still see the Thai air logo ), which are at the end of their life cycle and tax deductions. So, newer engines, fuel cost etc... Twin engine not 4 which saves cost. Thai fly good 737's, 747., but technology is here and safer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stockmktgenius Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 My wife and I flew that route- Madrid to Bangkok- this past November. Cost us around $600 each. But the month before the price had been something like $1800! I personally love flying Thai and so was happy to do so when the price became affordable. As an aside, when we got back and tried to see that we got credit for our flights, the totals looked about right, but their website wouldn't allow us to see that any individual flight was credited. Never called as can't bother trying to correct every <deleted> up thing I encounter here. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunderland Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 Average food, less enthusiastic staff than in the past, old airplanes, antiquated in flight entertainment systems (if at all) and uncompetitive fares ... hmmmmm ... why would anyone want to fly on this airline when they have better choices? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rametindallas Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 There never seems to be any sort of analysis in these articles regarding the cause of such non-competitive rates, which I think are NOT in question. And there never seems to be any commentary specifically regarding rate reduction, which would seem to necessarily be priority #1. And, there never seems to be any indication of direct government involvement in airline operating and "restructuring" decisions. Most odd, this situation, and very non-transparent. It's a 'National Carrier' and is subsidized by the government so it doesn't HAVE to be competitive. It's like the SRT but with wings; it 'loses' money by design. Every vendor and every department within the airline have large 'overhead' costs to allow for kickbacks. The only thing that will save THAI would be to take it totally private and get the politicians' noses out of the feed trough. Good luck with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThomasHOL Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 Average food, less enthusiastic staff than in the past, old airplanes, antiquated in flight entertainment systems (if at all) and uncompetitive fares ... hmmmmm ... why would anyone want to fly on this airline when they have better choices? That would depend on where you fly from. From Copenhagen we have the all new 777-300ER with private IFE and powerplugs in the seats. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gchurch259 Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 Does this confirm that the Russians are not coming? No there is still Nordwind and Transaero which will benefit from this. Of course Aeroflot !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luk AJ Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 Does this confirm that the Russians are not coming?The Russian flow will not stop 5 Russians carrier desserve BKK daily I arrived this morning with Thai from Moscou, business 6 passengers and 50-60 in economy. It's a pitty they stop because there is no direct alternative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CapeThai Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 So THAI is in trouble is it..?? I wonder why... Return flight, BKK > London THAI - 48,000 THB BA - 33,000 THB All Others - 28,000 - 32,000 THB D'uh! Work it out people! Thai airways from Johannesburg, South Africa to Bangkok return is R9500.00 about 25000 Baht if exchanged. I pay that with Emirates via Dubai from Cape Town which saves me another R5000.00 on a extra plane ticket just getting to Johannesburg. So yes, they are more expensive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poweratradio Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 Does this confirm that the Russians are not coming? The Russian flow will not stop 5 Russians carrier desserve BKK daily HUH? Details please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seancbk Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 Does this confirm that the Russians are not coming? It means they are not going back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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