off road pat Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 And people are saying we did not need a coup..... Seems the military is the only one who can keep the police in check.Yes but this is really only the tip of the corrupt iceberg. Too many othere are escaping the spotlight Rome was not build in a day....litle by little....first the head...Superintendent...!!...it's a good start....although they started a while ago....it's a good continuation....!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klauskunkel Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 rien ne va plus...just lovin' it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crickets Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 What does one do at a inactive post? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brucec64 Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 And people are saying we did not need a coup..... Seems the military is the only one who can keep the police in check. What a nonsensical statement - casinos have been raided in the past, police officers transferred, and still the problem continues. Here is one of many examples: http://www.nationmultimedia.com/opinion/Factors-combine-to-encourage-illegal-casinos-30202924.html Several senior police officers have recently been transferred to inactive posts as punishment following raids on gambling dens in Bangkok's Bang Na and Klong Tan areas by police from the Crime Suppression Division (CSD). Among those punished are the commander of the Metropolitan Police's Division 5 and the superintendents of the Bang Na and Klong Tan police stations. After any coup, there are always stories of superficial corruption - taxis and beach chairs - being addressed and the simpletons usually interpret this as meaniingful change. This is propoganda straight out of the coup playbook, yet many, including gullible foreigners, seem to fall for it each and every time. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
binjalin Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 Legalize and regulate gambling and these dens would be obsolete. Thailand would gain so much by having some casino's and all those that like gambling would not have to leave Thailand to enrich other countries. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxLee Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 Inactive post followed by attitude adjustment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tragickingdom Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 this kind of actions show that the Thai military is completely incompetent to run a country. Earlier today they helped evict villagers from an oil field that the junta give to a friendly petroleum company, they are harassing ex prime ministers and so on. A junta that is micromanaging the country will miserably fail (just like all other military governments in Thailand did). It is all a big show which doesn't help the country any further. In the end nothing changes. I assume in tis case the military just put a competitor out of business. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RigPig Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 And people are saying we did not need a coup..... Seems the military is the only one who can keep the police in check. and make sure they get their cut and the tea money is passed up the ladder in the newly designated order... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RigPig Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 Axed means fired, no longer employed, out of a job....not moved to an inactive post! In this Land of Face - being moved to an inactive post is just as bad as being fired. NO it isn´t, I am sure no matter who you are losing your job and being fined / jailed would be a BIGGER loss of face !!! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singa-traz Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 And the politician was? Hmm ... local politician from the Samut Prakarn Province? If you are looking for names, google "Samut Prakarn Corruption" ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RigPig Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 And people are saying we did not need a coup..... Seems the military is the only one who can keep the police in check. But executing wrong and stupid laws instead of making a framework of laws that make sense isn't the big step ahead. Gambling will always exist so make laws for legal gambling. I fail to see the big leap forward if some corrupt Thais that own casinos at the border to Cambodia (Police and Military people) make the profit with gambling and not paying any tax instead of some corrupt Thais in Bangkok. No change beside bigger CO2 footprint. Legalize casinos and than public tell that after a grace period of 3 month there will be a crack down on the illegal casinos with real punishment (not inactive post) would be the right thing to do. If they really do elections 2016 than we can tell 2019 that the coup was complete pointless because nothing really changed (non of the changes are visible anymore). It was a bit tongue in cheeck.. i mean it just shows how corrupt it is and how the police is not to be trusted. I have nothing against legalized gambling, we got that in the Netherlands. I myself don't gable but I don't see much of a problem. I am not a moralist that tells others what to do. Gambling.. drug use.. I don't care as long as people don't bother / harm others. Trouble is if they legalized it then the people would get the taxes and the other ¨apropriate¨ palms would not need greasing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil2407 Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 If was allegedly run by local politician - why they not ask him in for questioning or attitude adjustment:p 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RigPig Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 And the politician was? Khun Anonymous Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil2407 Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 If was allegedly run by local politician - why they not ask him in for questioning or attitude adjustment:p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h90 Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 And people are saying we did not need a coup..... Seems the military is the only one who can keep the police in check. But executing wrong and stupid laws instead of making a framework of laws that make sense isn't the big step ahead. Gambling will always exist so make laws for legal gambling. I fail to see the big leap forward if some corrupt Thais that own casinos at the border to Cambodia (Police and Military people) make the profit with gambling and not paying any tax instead of some corrupt Thais in Bangkok. No change beside bigger CO2 footprint. Legalize casinos and than public tell that after a grace period of 3 month there will be a crack down on the illegal casinos with real punishment (not inactive post) would be the right thing to do. If they really do elections 2016 than we can tell 2019 that the coup was complete pointless because nothing really changed (non of the changes are visible anymore). It was a bit tongue in cheeck.. i mean it just shows how corrupt it is and how the police is not to be trusted. I have nothing against legalized gambling, we got that in the Netherlands. I myself don't gable but I don't see much of a problem. I am not a moralist that tells others what to do. Gambling.. drug use.. I don't care as long as people don't bother / harm others. OK, right....But of course they are corrupt because of the situation: Easy to be corrupt, a lot demand on the market for gambling and drugs as there is no legal way. No checks. The system only allows high ranking policemen. (you need to pay to get promoted, the base salary for a lot policemen is too low. So you can't be honest, you won't get promoted and you don't earn enough money for living). Storming some police controlled casinos has some show effect but it doesn't solve any problem. If they do it, or don't do it doesn't make a real difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsailor35 Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 And will we ever learn the name of the "Local Politician" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h90 Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 And people are saying we did not need a coup..... Seems the military is the only one who can keep the police in check. But executing wrong and stupid laws instead of making a framework of laws that make sense isn't the big step ahead. Gambling will always exist so make laws for legal gambling. I fail to see the big leap forward if some corrupt Thais that own casinos at the border to Cambodia (Police and Military people) make the profit with gambling and not paying any tax instead of some corrupt Thais in Bangkok. No change beside bigger CO2 footprint. Legalize casinos and than public tell that after a grace period of 3 month there will be a crack down on the illegal casinos with real punishment (not inactive post) would be the right thing to do. If they really do elections 2016 than we can tell 2019 that the coup was complete pointless because nothing really changed (non of the changes are visible anymore). Some one told me they banned pin ball machines here long back because the Thais where addicted to them. Can you imagine a casino. If they did have a casino i think they should have minimum 50 baht chips so the young poor and vulnerable people would not afford to get hooked. Plus some serious vetting for entry. The tell that with gambling in every country. I doubt that Thais have some gene difference to people in Las Vegas. It is just what they are used to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubblegum Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 I rally do not like these paid members Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsailor35 Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 Prayut is like a knight in shining armour Prayut has come to save Thailand Prayut is taking out all these corrupt police and cleaning Thailand like a real super hero Prayut is the man And please tell us how he has become a billionaire on a soldiers wages. I know that he says its none of our business, but the question needs to be asked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsailor35 Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 What does one do at a inactive post? same as the active one i guess...............make money thro corruption 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post sanuk711 Posted February 14, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted February 14, 2015 (edited) And people are saying we did not need a coup..... Seems the military is the only one who can keep the police in check.Yes but this is really only the tip of the corrupt iceberg. Too many othere are escaping the spotlight Rome was not build in a day....litle by little....first the head...Superintendent...!!...it's a good start....although they started a while ago....it's a good continuation....!!! I agree with you----this is progress.... its so easy to stand at the sidelines & say nothing is changing--because it is, & I think a lot of the post here are from just bitter people with their own axe to grind about Thailand. wherever country you have come from --you have (or have) had a corrupt police force And changing it takes years & years, especially so in Asia, where most countries see graft as the norm. In America they made movies about people who spoke out like the Policeman Serpico, who had a contract taken out on him by the NY police, was shot in the face but lived. It caused an outrage---& there was a hugh clean up, but did it work? Not according to Mayor Rudy Giuliani 20 years latter who done his own "Clear up"....& did that work? According to today's NY post there are 300 cases pending , just in killed off tickets alone. "District Attorney Robert Johnson said he hoped the criminal charges send a message that corruption would not be tolerated. The city lost about $2 million in killed-off tickets, he said." ---- Killed off tickets, is when you pay the policeman $$$ instead of the full fine. Does that sound a bit Thainess to you ?? ...Maybe that's where the BIB got it from. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/28/nypd-officers-surrender-i_n_1063515.html Where I came from the 70s- saw the London Police at their very best (worse) they were completely owned by the porn kings, but also branched out into other enterprises. They were involved on different levels in many armed robbers. Notably £175,000 payroll robbery at the offices of the Daily Express newspaper in 1976 £225,000 robbery outside the headquarters of W & G Bank London, in 1977 £200,000 payroll robbery at the offices of the Daily Mirror newspaper in 1978. But there were others that they could not be charged with. It took 5 years to curb them ---& three police commissioners, because every-time they appointed a new commissioner, he was found to have taken bribes. The findings were---"the corruption was not limited to "a few bad apples" within the forces but was "historically and currently endemic" and "widespread throughout the hierarchical command rather than confined to those below the rank of sergeant." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Countryman Since then there have been many--many more commissions.... I lived in Oz for some years , but really don't have the room to list that force & the different commissions.---- probably its best summed by Terry Clark (head of the Mr Asia drug ring) when arrested in Europe, & asked about Australian police he was quoted----- "Australian Police-, The very best that money can buy" He said he would expose all at his trail, but was found dead in his cell before he could....... findings by the British police were that he died in his sleep of a heart attack. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrance_John_Clark I think things are changing "SLOWLY" ..will they slip back --Maybe, because corruption is so ingrained here--but there is a war going on at the moment between the Army & the Police, & I think its incorrect to call the Army corrupt. The easy-way would have just been to take the money the Police..Someone was getting for those Hotels on the beaches, not pull them all down. Don't burn the resorts in the national parks that shouldn't have been there---just take a big envelope & not see them. They --The Army--are going to make a lot of mistakes, & be open to a lot of ridicule, but I think they have taken a small step in the right direction. I don't know about the Casino's in the south being open, its so easy to make these claims, I can tell you that all the casino's that I know of in Essan (about 11) are closed, I have many friends that own bars & they are all saying that the girls who used to work there are around, looking for other work. . ...........Its better to light just one small candle--then to stand there complaining about the Darkness Edited February 14, 2015 by sanuk711 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acharn Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 And people are saying we did not need a coup..... Seems the military is the only one who can keep the police in check. But executing wrong and stupid laws instead of making a framework of laws that make sense isn't the big step ahead. Gambling will always exist so make laws for legal gambling. I fail to see the big leap forward if some corrupt Thais that own casinos at the border to Cambodia (Police and Military people) make the profit with gambling and not paying any tax instead of some corrupt Thais in Bangkok. No change beside bigger CO2 footprint. Legalize casinos and than public tell that after a grace period of 3 month there will be a crack down on the illegal casinos with real punishment (not inactive post) would be the right thing to do. If they really do elections 2016 than we can tell 2019 that the coup was complete pointless because nothing really changed (non of the changes are visible anymore). Really, you misunderstand the purpose of laws against gambling. Laws against gambling are always recommended by police. Their purpose is to generate revenue for the police concerned. These laws are supported by misguided moralists, who fear that someone, somewhere, might be having fun. They don't understand the real purpose of the laws. When I lived in Phanat Nikhom (Chon Buri province) I observed that lots of people were busted for gambling every month. They were housewives who were playing cards at home. The casinos which had the real gambling were never touched. Perhaps I'm too cynical, but I suspect this casino just changed ownership, and will be back in operation tomorrow. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kannot Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 another load of <deleted>................ moved to an inactive post......waddya mean???? all the Police are "inactive" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Aleman Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 I have read of 4,962 police snt to UPI,( Unassigned Post Island ), but have not heard of even one who was paroled/punished/jailed/executed so what is the final disposition of them ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h90 Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 And people are saying we did not need a coup..... Seems the military is the only one who can keep the police in check. But executing wrong and stupid laws instead of making a framework of laws that make sense isn't the big step ahead. Gambling will always exist so make laws for legal gambling. I fail to see the big leap forward if some corrupt Thais that own casinos at the border to Cambodia (Police and Military people) make the profit with gambling and not paying any tax instead of some corrupt Thais in Bangkok. No change beside bigger CO2 footprint. Legalize casinos and than public tell that after a grace period of 3 month there will be a crack down on the illegal casinos with real punishment (not inactive post) would be the right thing to do. If they really do elections 2016 than we can tell 2019 that the coup was complete pointless because nothing really changed (non of the changes are visible anymore). Really, you misunderstand the purpose of laws against gambling. Laws against gambling are always recommended by police. Their purpose is to generate revenue for the police concerned. These laws are supported by misguided moralists, who fear that someone, somewhere, might be having fun. They don't understand the real purpose of the laws. When I lived in Phanat Nikhom (Chon Buri province) I observed that lots of people were busted for gambling every month. They were housewives who were playing cards at home. The casinos which had the real gambling were never touched. Perhaps I'm too cynical, but I suspect this casino just changed ownership, and will be back in operation tomorrow. yes you are cynical but correct......similar thing for drugs and prostitution. Beside moralists the second main reason is coward politicians. Forbid it and you are always on the moral high ground. Allow it and even the gambler who don't admit that they are gambler will complain. And a more important question: Can Yingluck, Abhisit, Chalerm or Prayut really decide what I do with my money or my body, are they soo much better than we normal people? With legal casinos I could, different than with illegal, I could register myself in a blacklist (so I can't enter any casino) if I worry about weak moments loosing all my money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h90 Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 I have read of 4,962 police snt to UPI,( Unassigned Post Island ), but have not heard of even one who was paroled/punished/jailed/executed so what is the final disposition of them ? They should make one building with rooms like schoolclasses, 50 chairs and tables in one room, one light bulb and there they sit and do nothing. Per room is one warden who checks that they don't read a book or play with their mobile phone in their work time. I think I would resign within 3 days. (From time to time the warden could announce the need for overtime ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhnomKhnom Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 Axed means fired, no longer employed, out of a job....not moved to an inactive post! Westerners really dislike that "to inactive post" stuff but it the quickest way to get a police off his job and then investigate ... or let him rot. INACTIVE POST means, also, no more graft, so it is a good partial and fast part solution. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robby nz Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 What does one do at a inactive post? If you read farther than the first line of the OP you will see : Metropolitan Police commissioner Pol Lt-Gen Sivara Rangsipromkul said that three senior Bang Na police officers were abruptly transferred pending an investigation. There it is, they wait for an investigation to be complete while in a position where they can be kept an eye on and can no longer carry on with their illegal activities. Seems reasonable that they should be considered innocent until proven guilty don't you think ? If an investigating should find them guilty then things will be taken farther, if innocent then they can return to their jobs without being able to take action against the police as they would if they had been sacked straight off before an investigation was undertaken. Would seem likely that as a politician has been mentioned that they will also become an important part of said investigation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nithisa78 Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 (edited) Axed means fired, no longer employed, out of a job....not moved to an inactive post! In this Land of Face - being moved to an inactive post is just as bad as being fired. the inactive post would be akin to house or self-arrest. then like in most places in the world, they'll resign to avoid a bigger public scandal, were they to testify. very small money involved. the end Edited February 14, 2015 by nithisa78 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
louse1953 Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 Legalize and regulate gambling and these dens would be obsolete. Thailand would gain so much by having some casino's and all those that like gambling would not have to leave Thailand to enrich other countries. Who would benefit from that,the people,hopefully,via tax.Who benefits now and why would they vote for change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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