Gaza under fire — six months on

[ScarpoFongness4U]

Pratt,

Propanda, is propaganda. When you send us a selfie from Gaza, then we will believe you, until then, you are another British or French stooge:

I cant be cutting and pasting all of that, so I'll reply down here. Lets give it the benefit of the doubt and say what you posted was factual . For what reason do you think that 17,000 Palestinian young men signed up to be trained to fight Israel ? Could it be they are somewhat desperate because of there treatment under and they are under Israel ? Its not normal is it for that amount of people to be prepared to die because they have nothing left . Israel is breeding these people by their actions the would totally undermine Hamas if they made some concessions . The Palestinians will continue to vote for Hamas as long as they feel they are being persecuted by Israel

By the way , only my Missus calls me Pratt , quite often actually

one reason only, the $300 a month, they get to send the family, and a martyr bonus if killed

[dexterm]

Hamas' genocidal intentions are as far from reality as are your intentions having daily sex with an ugly woman

Hamas' genocidal intentions are made quite clear in their Charter.

As are Likud's in their charter ..an Israel from the Mediterranean to the Jordan (and some right wingers would like to go even further than that!).The only difference being is that Israel actually has put their charter into practice by ethnically cleansed Palestinians from their lands.

[Ulysses G.]

Well you are wrong. No country of earth would allow thousands of rockets to be shot at towns and cities on their sovereign territory. Stopping it would always be a top priority and Israel did the same thing that almost anyone would do. It is just lucky that the Israelis are smart enough to prevent more of their own citizens from dying, because it certainly is not because of lack of trying on the Palestinians' part.

The stop the 1000s of rockets pretext for the Gaza war is a complete myth.

A "myth" despite the overwhelming evidence. Your posts are the essence of the term false propaganda.

Attacks began in 2001. Since then, nearly 4,800 rockets have hit southern Israel, just over 4,000 of them since Israel withdrew from the Gaza Strip in August 2005. The range of the rockets has increased over time. The original Qassam rocket has a range of about 10 km (6.2 mi) but more advanced rockets, including versions of the old Soviet Grad or Katyusha have hit Israeli targets 40 km (25 mi) from Gaza.[39]

Some analysts see the attacks as a shift away from reliance on suicide bombing, which was previously Hamas's main method of attacking Israel, and an adoption of the rocket tactics used by Lebanese militant group Hezbollah.[40]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_rocket_attacks_on_Israel

http://www.idfblog.com/facts-figures/rocket-attacks-toward-israel/

[ScarpoFongness4U]

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Well you are wrong. No country of earth would allow thousands of rockets to be shot at towns and cities on their sovereign territory. Stopping it would always be a top priority and Israel did the same thing that almost anyone would do. It is just lucky that the Israelis are smart enough to prevent more of their own citizens from dying, because it certainly is not because of lack of trying on the Palestinians' part.

The Israel demonizers think Jews should just accept their fate as was largely the situation before state power was achieved with the founding of Israel. Funny how they think Jews with a state should have "morals" that their own nations wouldn't when facing an enemy with clear intentions to destroy their state.

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I'm not demonizing anyone Jews or Arabs ,I dont agree with any of the kiling each other , But Israel is behaving like an irresponsible Mong The way they are proceeding is wrong. And the" thousand of Rockets" well they've killed about half a dozen people in 5 years, so the "Thousands Of Rockets" are a pathetic attempt at fighting back it does not deserve a prolonged slaughter of women and children in bombing raids and "Precision Rocket strikes". Hamas don't give a shit about their own people I would think , but Israels actions add fuel to Hamas's fire

Hamas need not worry about Israel, as Egpyt has announced A major operation to start tomorrow in Libya, which will include targeted bombings in Gaza to break the brotherhood machinery there,

cant wait for the silence as Egypt cleans house with Israel providing cmmunicatons and recon

[Ulysses G.]

Hamas' genocidal intentions are as far from reality as are your intentions having daily sex with an ugly woman

Hamas' genocidal intentions are made quite clear in their Charter.

As are Likud's in their charter ..

Another lie. Likud says nothing about killing Palestinians in their charter. Hamas DOES talk of murdering Jews in theirs.

"The Day of Judgment will not come until Muslims fight the Jews, when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say, 'O Muslim, O servant of God, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him.'

-Hamas Charter

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[ExPratt]

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Well you are wrong. No country of earth would allow thousands of rockets to be shot at towns and cities on their sovereign territory. Stopping it would always be a top priority and Israel did the same thing that almost anyone would do. It is just lucky that the Israelis are smart enough to prevent more of their own citizens from dying, because it certainly is not because of lack of trying on the Palestinians' part.

The Israel demonizers think Jews should just accept their fate as was largely the situation before state power was achieved with the founding of Israel. Funny how they think Jews with a state should have "morals" that their own nations wouldn't when facing an enemy with clear intentions to destroy their state.

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I'm not demonizing anyone Jews or Arabs ,I dont agree with any of the kiling each other , But Israel is behaving like an irresponsible Mong The way they are proceeding is wrong. And the" thousand of Rockets" well they've killed about half a dozen people in 5 years, so the "Thousands Of Rockets" are a pathetic attempt at fighting back it does not deserve a prolonged slaughter of women and children in bombing raids and "Precision Rocket strikes". Hamas don't give a shit about their own people I would think , but Israels actions add fuel to Hamas's fire

Hamas need not worry about Israel, as Egpyt has announced A major operation to start tomorrow in Libya, which will include targeted bombings in Gaza to break the brotherhood machinery there,

cant wait for the silence as Egypt cleans house with Israel providing cmmunicatons and recon

That'll be risky for the Egyptians they already killed a couple of thousand and imprisoned hundreds when the General took over. If the Egyptians are doing precision bombings , stay clear of the Med

[dexterm]

Hamas' genocidal intentions are as far from reality as are your intentions having daily sex with an ugly woman

Hamas' genocidal intentions are made quite clear in their Charter.

As are Likud's in their charter ..

Another lie. Likud says nothing about killing Palestinians in their charter. Hamas DOES talk of murdering Jews in theirs.

"The Day of Judgment will not come until Muslims fight the Jews, when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say, 'O Muslim, O servant of God, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him.'

-Hamas Charter

That charter has never been mentioned by Hamas in years! It's ancient history.

"The most incessant propaganda says Hamas is committed to the destruction of Israel. Khaled Hroub, the Cambridge University scholar considered a world leading authority on Hamas, says this phrase is "never used or adopted by Hamas, even in its most radical statements". The oft-quoted "anti-Jewish" 1988 Charter was the work of "one individual and made public without appropriate Hamas consensus... The author was one of the 'old guard' "; the document is regarded as an embarrassment and never cited."

http://johnpilger.com/articles/breaking-the-last-taboo-gaza-and-the-threat-of-world-war

Whereas Israel wants to wipe Palestine off the map and they have almost succeeded.

[Steely Dan]

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Well you are wrong. No country of earth would allow thousands of rockets to be shot at towns and cities on their sovereign territory. Stopping it would always be a top priority and Israel did the same thing that almost anyone would do. It is just lucky that the Israelis are smart enough to prevent more of their own citizens from dying, because it certainly is not because of lack of trying on the Palestinians' part.

The Israel demonizers think Jews should just accept their fate as was largely the situation before state power was achieved with the founding of Israel. Funny how they think Jews with a state should have "morals" that their own nations wouldn't when facing an enemy with clear intentions to destroy their state.

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I'm not demonizing anyone Jews or Arabs ,I dont agree with any of the kiling each other , But Israel is behaving like an irresponsible Mong The way they are proceeding is wrong. And the" thousand of Rockets" well they've killed about half a dozen people in 5 years, so the "Thousands Of Rockets" are a pathetic attempt at fighting back it does not deserve a prolonged slaughter of women and children in bombing raids and "Precision Rocket strikes". Hamas don't give a shit about their own people I would think , but Israels actions add fuel to Hamas's fire

Hamas need not worry about Israel, as Egpyt has announced A major operation to start tomorrow in Libya, which will include targeted bombings in Gaza to break the brotherhood machinery there,

cant wait for the silence as Egypt cleans house with Israel providing cmmunicatons and recon

I can't wait for the threads concerning Egyptian strikes against Hamas seeing as some of our esteemed members will need to post pages of indignation, or else be considered flaming hypocrites.

[DeaconJohn]

Banksy is in Gaza - or has been recently - producing some of his best work.

His statement: "I don't want to take sides, but when you see entire neighbourhoods reduced to rubble with no hope of a future - what you're really looking at is a vast outdoor recruitment centre for terrorists, and we should probably address this for all our sakes." is relevant to this thread.

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[ExPratt]

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I can't wait for the threads concerning Egyptian strikes against Hamas seeing as some of our esteemed members will need to post pages of indignation, or else be considered flaming hypocrites.

I bet they don't get anywhere near Israels Tally

[dexterm]

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I can't wait for the threads concerning Egyptian strikes against Hamas seeing as some of our esteemed members will need to post pages of indignation, or else be considered flaming hypocrites.

I bet they don't get anywhere near Israels Tally

The Egyptian regime is a military dictatorship, the stooges of USA and Israel, that stole power from the elected government and killed thousands of its citizens in the process. Nothing they do would surprise me.

USA backed Egyptian tyrant Sisi has actually offered to assist Israel in ethnically cleansing Gaza yet again, by deporting Gazans to tent cities in Sinai, so that between the two of them they could cash in on lucrative oil and gas reserves off the coast of Gaza.

Where power and money are concerned human rights take a back seat.

[ggold]

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Very sad. It is too bad that the Hamas terrorists caused it and refused to stop shooting rockets into Israel. It was a big mistake electing war criminals to run the Palestinian government.

Now get ready for the barrage of blame everything on Israel brigade.

Thats right Israel have no choice but to kill thousands of civilians when a rocket is fired at them

Hamas didn't have to fire rockets at Israel. They have themselves to blame no one else.Instead of building ifrastructure for the betterment of the population they turned Gaza into a Terrorist stronghold. Even Egypt have had enough of Hamas.

[ggold]

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I can't wait for the threads concerning Egyptian strikes against Hamas seeing as some of our esteemed members will need to post pages of indignation, or else be considered flaming hypocrites.

I bet they don't get anywhere near Israels Tally

The Egyptian regime is a military dictatorship, the stooges of USA and Israel, that stole power from the elected government and killed thousands of its citizens in the process. Nothing they do would surprise me.

USA backed Egyptian tyrant Sisi has actually offered to assist Israel in ethnically cleansing Gaza yet again, by deporting Gazans to tent cities in Sinai, so that between the two of them they could cash in on lucrative oil and gas reserves off the coast of Gaza.

Where power and money are concerned human rights take a back seat.

Of course it has nothing to do with the fact that every Arab country that promised funds to rebuild Gaza haven't been forthcoming with the funds. It also shows that the palestinians have always been a tool to bash Israel with. The Arabs have never really been interested in absorbing those that left Israel for refugee camps.

Palestinians as a people aren't even recognised by other arab countries. Any Palestinian that wants to move to another ME country has to become a citizen of that country.

Even Abbas is Jordanian.

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[ZeldasCavern]

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Very sad. It is too bad that the Hamas terrorists caused it and refused to stop shooting rockets into Israel. It was a big mistake electing war criminals to run the Palestinian government.

Going by those principle Britain would have been with their rights to carpet bomb West Belfast while bombs were going off in London. What Israel is doing is Barbaric . If Hamas had tanks and F18s there would be a war , but they don't have that all they have is 2 bob rockets to fire across their own border

Israel is barbaric, is it? Do you realize the genocidal intentions of Hamas against Jews? What Israel did was a pin prick compared to Hamas intentions. Israel is supposed to wait around until Hamas gets strong enough to seriously have a chance? Why should they? Your comparison is daft.

Yes and by doing so are increasing the hatred felt for them, What works in the end is the moderates come to an agreement , unfortunately launching a land and air assault against what is nothing more than a refugee camp isn't going to win many hearts and minds

I believe the operative words you stated "What works in the end is the moderates come to an agreement" -

Are you oblivious as to Hamas terrorist methods and views of Israel, let alone the right to any Jewish individuals right to exist anywhere in the world?

Do you consider Hamas as moderates?

Hello?

[Ulysses G.]

Hamas' genocidal intentions are made quite clear in their Charter.

As are Likud's in their charter ..

Another lie. Likud says nothing about killing Palestinians in their charter. Hamas DOES talk of murdering Jews in theirs.

"The Day of Judgment will not come until Muslims fight the Jews, when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say, 'O Muslim, O servant of God, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him.'

-Hamas Charter

That charter has never been mentioned by Hamas in years! It's ancient history.

It was written in 1988 and Hamas refuse to renounce it. It is neither ancient nor history. How about posting something honest for a change.

[Steely Dan]

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I can't wait for the threads concerning Egyptian strikes against Hamas seeing as some of our esteemed members will need to post pages of indignation, or else be considered flaming hypocrites.

I bet they don't get anywhere near Israels Tally

The Egyptian regime is a military dictatorship, the stooges of USA and Israel, that stole power from the elected government and killed thousands of its citizens in the process. Nothing they do would surprise me.

USA backed Egyptian tyrant Sisi has actually offered to assist Israel in ethnically cleansing Gaza yet again, by deporting Gazans to tent cities in Sinai, so that between the two of them they could cash in on lucrative oil and gas reserves off the coast of Gaza.

Where power and money are concerned human rights take a back seat.

Your ignorance of the region evidently extends West of the Suez Canal. The Egyptian military deposed the Islamist fanatics of the Muslim Brotherhood, the parent organization to Hamas. They did so to save Egypt from the delights of ethnic cleansing of Coptic Christians and Sinai being turned into a hotbed of terrorism, whilst Salafists went about destroying what was left of the tourist industry. Obama insisted the Muslim brotherhood to attend his Cairo speech and was instrumental in putting them in power and deposing long time US ally Morsi. Aid to Egypt was cut after the deposing of Morsi and the Muslim Brotherhood were invited to Washington for talks last month.

As for action in Gaza by Egypt, it would hardly be ethnic cleansing seeing as the Palestinians are Arabs too. Sinai is already full of Islamist fanatics enabled by Morsi's regime so if similar fanatics in Gaza are dealt with at the same time that's understandable. Attacks on Egyptian military posts in Sinai was no doubt the tipping point and with Al-Sisi also taking on ISIS in Libya it kind of cements the fact that Hamas, the Muslim Brotherhood and ISIS are all peas in the same pod.

[ggold]

Well you are wrong. No country of earth would allow thousands of rockets to be shot at towns and cities on their sovereign territory. Stopping it would always be a top priority and Israel did the same thing that almost anyone would do. It is just lucky that the Israelis are smart enough to prevent more of their own citizens from dying, because it certainly is not because of lack of trying on the Palestinians' part.

The stop the 1000s of rockets pretext for the Gaza war is a complete myth.

Members please read the link below and judge for yourselves who is telling the truth and who is trying to muddy the timeline of events

In the 6 weeks prior to Operation Brothers Keeper which began the last years Gaza War 5 rockets fell harmlessly...that’s less than one per week!

And 3 mortar rounds fired at a military target IDF forces on the Gaza border (see below what provocations the IDF had been up to during this same period)

Here’s the real timeline of events, not your dishonest myth about a fictitious IDF response to 1000s of rockets pretext in the 6 weeks prior to Operation Brothers Keeper. When you read what actually happened prior to Netanyahu launching his murderous provocation, you can see that Hamas had in fact shown considerable restraint...5 harmless rockets in response to the IDF’s 5 assassinations plus several injuries.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Palestinian_rocket_attacks_on_Israel,_2014

May 1 A rocket hit an open area in Eshkol. No one were hurt, no damage was reported.

May 21 Several [3] mortar rounds were fired at IDF forces on the Gaza border. No injuries, damages in attack.

May 23 A rocket exploded in open field in Sha'ar HaNegev Regional Council. No reports of damages or injuries.

June 1 A rocket was fired early Sunday morning at the Eshkol region. The rocket landed in a field and no casualties were reported.

June 11 A rocket fired from Gaza narrowly missed a main artery in southern Israel as it landed in a nearby dirt field without causing any injuries.

While in that same period here’s what the IDF had been up to...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Israeli_assassinations

May 15 In Beitunia in cold blood 2 students shot dead one in the back, and a 3^rd injured after a demonstration. “The Nakba Day shooting sums up the crime of occupation, which has turned the IDF from the people’s army into a hothouse of violence.The report in Haaretz that a non-combat soldier attached to the Border Police force fired, contrary to regulations, at Palestinian protesters during the riots in Beitunia – apparently because of “boredom” http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/1.596219

May 24 The Military Police has opened investigations into the circumstances of the deaths of at least 18 Palestinians in the West Bank in the last two years, but has completed only three of these probes. In only one case was an Israeli soldier charged and convicted.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/.premium-1.592588

6 weeks prior to Operation Brothers Keeper.

Really? I think you have quoted the wrong campaign. Surely the 2014 gaza campaign was called "Protective Edge" If you can't get you're fact right why make unfounded claims. Shows just quoting something off a webpage without really knowing doesn't work.

[ggold]

Hamas' genocidal intentions are made quite clear in their Charter.

As are Likud's in their charter ..

Another lie. Likud says nothing about killing Palestinians in their charter. Hamas DOES talk of murdering Jews in theirs.

"The Day of Judgment will not come until Muslims fight the Jews, when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say, 'O Muslim, O servant of God, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him.'

-Hamas Charter

That charter has never been mentioned by Hamas in years! It's ancient history.

"The most incessant propaganda says Hamas is committed to the destruction of Israel. Khaled Hroub, the Cambridge University scholar considered a world leading authority on Hamas, says this phrase is "never used or adopted by Hamas, even in its most radical statements". The oft-quoted "anti-Jewish" 1988 Charter was the work of "one individual and made public without appropriate Hamas consensus... The author was one of the 'old guard' "; the document is regarded as an embarrassment and never cited."

http://johnpilger.com/articles/breaking-the-last-taboo-gaza-and-the-threat-of-world-war

Whereas Israel wants to wipe Palestine off the map and they have almost succeeded.

more BS, there never was a Palestine. But you love going around in circles with your diatribe of nonsense.

[wabothai]

Israel: your thinking is the same as the US, you think that with a superiority of sophisticated weaponry you can keep the Palestinians (who have none) at bay and dictate your policies.

Without the US and their weapons you are nothing.

The only way to seek peace with the Arabs is to tear down your ugly "Berlin" wall, destroy your nuclear bombs, and install some peace loving people in your government.

[Ulysses G.]

6 weeks prior to Operation Brothers Keeper.

He has posted this nonsense repeatedly and ignores all the thousands of rockets fired before and after his arbitrary date.

[Ulysses G.]

Israel: your thinking is the same as the US, you think that with a superiority of sophisticated weaponry you can keep the Palestinians (who have none) at bay and dictate your policies.

Without the US and their weapons you are nothing.

Israel had no problem defeating the Palestinians and five Arab armies numerous times with little help from the USA. They did not become close allies until after the glorious victory in 1967. Learn some history before posting ignorant comments made up from thin air.

[mango66]

The people there are going to have to find a way to change their government. How, I don't know and dissent would mean death. The world wants to give much more humanitarian help but when it is known most of the help goes to their Islamic Jihadist terrorist government that is just working on rearming for their insane antisemitic goal of overrunning Israel, the money doesn't come.

It seems even their fellow "Palestinian" Arabs in the west bank are keeping their distance from Gaza ... described elsewhere as a dirty diaper nobody wants to touch.

visit Gaza for 10 days and than write about it !!!

[NickJ]

Here is the drill for Gaza......let all non combatans.. ...move to a secure area....set up a UN tent city......after that rain hell fire on the &lt;deleted&gt; left.........

[mango66]

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If yo are referring to Gaza, stopping the thousand of rockets being fired from there is plenty of justification and pretty much any country on earth would have done the same.

I doubt that very much actually, Half a dozen of your citizens killed so you go on a bombing campaign of a refugee camp for a months killing 2000 ? I don't think many civilized countries would do that and don't do that

if thousands were fired to Israel,

than Israel have fired Millions back !!

AND 100 TIMES MORE PALESTINIAN ARE KILLED THAN ISRAELIS !

AND IT GOES FOR WHOMS LAND ???

[dexterm]

Israel: your thinking is the same as the US, you think that with a superiority of sophisticated weaponry you can keep the Palestinians (who have none) at bay and dictate your policies.

Without the US and their weapons you are nothing.

Israel had no problem defeating the Palestinians and five Arab armies numerous times with little help from the USA. They did not become close allies until after the glorious victory in 1967. Learn some history before posting ignorant comments made up from thin air.

Yes, that was a David and Goliath struggle, but not the way you make it out to be.

Bribed and threatened by USA and Israel the corrupt leaders of 3 of the 5 armies never even fought abandoning the outnumbered Palestinians to fight against a better armed and organized Israeli army.

Just because the bully wins aided by his big brother doesn't make it just.

http://www.palestineremembered.com/

[jazzyfrosty]

It is a breathtaking irony that the atrocities and suffering inflicted can be committed by a people with a proud liberal tradition of scholarship and culture, who hold the Warsaw Ghetto and the six million dead of the Holocaust at the centre of their race memory. But this is a new and brutal Israel dominated by the hardline, right-wing Likud Party of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and his coalition. As one observer puts it: "All the seeds of the incitement of the past few years, all the nationalistic, racist legislation and the incendiary propaganda, the scare campaigns and the subversion of democracy by the right-wing camp – all these have borne fruit, and that fruit is rank and rotten. The nationalist right has now sunk to a new level, with almost the whole country following in its wake. The word 'fascism', which I try to use as little as possible, finally has its deserved place in the Israeli political discourse."

Israeli propaganda is subtle and skillfully put. "If Israel were to lay down its arms tomorrow, she would be destroyed; but if Hamas were to lay down their arms, there would be peace," goes the line, parroted endlessly.

But in all these long and agonising decades, Israel has never offered the Palestinians a just and equitable peace. They would have only a splintered, vassal state, their polity and economy and even their borders and freedom of travel and trade managed and determined by Israel. The occupation of Palestinian lands would remain with the relentless expansion of illegal Israeli settlements on the West Bank of the Jordan and the Dead Sea.

As the Palestine Liberation Organisation official Hanan Ashrawi put it this week in a television interview with the Australian journalist Hamish Macdonald: "No nation can accept being imprisoned, being besieged by land, by air, by sea and deprived of the most basic requirements of a decent life: freedom of movement, clean water. For seven years they have been under a brutal and lethal Israeli siege ... You shell them and you bomb them; you destroy homes, you destroy whole neighbourhoods. You obliterate, annihilate, whole families, and then you come and say that this is self defence?"

That is why the killing and the dying goes on. Ad nauseam, ad infinitum. And the rest of the world, not caring, looks away.

[dexterm]

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Very sad. It is too bad that the Hamas terrorists caused it and refused to stop shooting rockets into Israel. It was a big mistake electing war criminals to run the Palestinian government.

Now get ready for the barrage of blame everything on Israel brigade.

Thats right Israel have no choice but to kill thousands of civilians when a rocket is fired at them

Hamas didn't have to fire rockets at Israel. They have themselves to blame no one else.Instead of building ifrastructure for the betterment of the population they turned Gaza into a Terrorist stronghold. Even Egypt have had enough of Hamas.

Israeli did not have to ethnically cleanse Palestinians and herd them into the ghetto Gaza in the first place, then blockade 1.8 million refugees for having the audacity to freely elect their own government.

[Ulysses G.]

The conditions in Gaza have a lot more to do with the rockets and suicide bombings sponsored by the elected government than electing terrorists in the first place.

[Ulysses G.]

If Israel were to lay down its arms tomorrow, she would be destroyed; but if Hamas were to lay down their arms, there would be peace," goes the line, parroted endlessly.

Parroted endlessly, because it is a FACT and one that apologists for violent terrorist groups can not spin their way out of.

[Scott]

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