Had A Gutfull!

[tinglish]

Hey everybody

I'm seriously thinking of getting out of here, just so sick and tired of the immigration department nazis, the labour office clowns and their work permits, 90-Day reporting etc.

Does anyone have any good suggestions, somewhere (as in another country) to teach esl/business?

Please tell me where to go, Where to get off, and what to do when I get there!

Seriously tho' want to go somewhere nice, somewhere that pays.., and not too many dramas with visas etc.

Or if you knew somewhere like that, would you already be there????

[Ijustwannateach]

Well, there's Japan. If you really want to live in Japan. Oh, ok, it's not that bad for many people. And there are no visa hassles (if you stay long, you WILL be legal or else), and no drama about "unqualified" teachers because you're only doing TEFL and everyone has a college degree. There are strong unions and foreigners can do more or less most of the same things that Japanese can- if you want to.

"Steven"

[tinglish]

Thanks Steven,

It sounds like you've been there, so tell me, can I get a job in a University there? (I'm currently teaching uni) Or is it just small private schools?

TIA

BTW is it easy/possible to not go through an agency? (had a nasty experience in BKK a couple of years ago)

cheers

[Rhys]

China or Vietnam.. China.. might be a crap shoot.. Vietnam.. a possibility.

So your frowning on the land of smiles.... Buddah speed to the next posting..

[PeaceBlondie]

Hey man, if you're past your breaking point, it's time to quit trying to teach in Thailand. Which is a pity. I was trying to make applications the other day with great leads; couldn't find either location; and then gave up when the Karr fiasco em=bare=assed Thailand. If somebody comes begging me to take a fully legal job with my qualifications, I'd do it. But not "Oh, teach for us until we figure out how to make you legal, decide we want to make you legal, and Khun Nochapacha in the admin dept. gets around to it."

[ilyushin]

Japan .teaching-english-in-japan

[Ijustwannateach]

I was in Japan for some time, a little time ago.

For a uni job, you typically need a Master's degree there in a relevant subject (there's a little TiT there and it depends a *little* on who you know, but much less than here).

The typical road to TEFL Nirvana in Japan is to start with language schools (which are unionised and regulated by law but still exploitative), graduate to high school teaching, and then if you have the degree move up to universities.

"Steven"

[Thaiboxer]

I work with a guy who taught for 2 1/2 years in Japan and he's much happier here! You may find that the students are not that much more disciplined and Japan is a very closed society. Also, individualism is looked down upon, so it will be a real struggle to get opinions out of them. You get paid more, but the cost of living is MUCH higher and people aren't as laid back as here. The Japanese people I've met here in Thailand love it and many want to retire here.

[kenkannif]

everyone has a college degree.

Most do mate!

[mark lamai]

have heard good reports for taiwan and South Korea as well,

at least for a decent salary.

teaching english in Thailand is such a load of nonsense and it is very underpaid.

i have done quite a bit and it would take a minimum of 60K baht to entice me again.

problem is its a business scam and they don't want teachers at all.

just frangs who can play games with kids while the school/agency pick up the money from the parents.

i am a properly qualified teacher in australia.

it means nothing,

so often i have been teaching with farangs with just tefl or just a degree

not to mention the total ###### farangs who are sometimes in a higher position in the english program who play power games,

not to mention the filipina bosses who assess you, what a joke.

its all a sad silly joke.

the little blighters couldn't care less about learning english.

[Ijustwannateach]

Some of your complaints are accurate, but I think you're speaking mainly of the entry level TEFL. Things do get better. And though many of us may "only" have degrees, our students will probably learn to capitalise.

[tinglish]

Thanks for the helpful comments everyone esp:

PB- But not "Oh, teach for us until we figure out how to make you legal, decide we want to make you legal, and Khun Nochapacha in the admin dept. gets around to it."

How true is THAT?

and Mark, yes sad but so true in many places.

Luckily(on purpose) for me I've been teaching Uni, it's better all round as far as students go, wonderful really

IJWT: My wife refuses to even consider Japan, must be an asian thing..

It's a shame really, apart from the immigration and labour departments, this place is really great.

[the swagman]

Some of your complaints are accurate, but I think you're speaking mainly of the entry level TEFL. Things do get better. And though many of us may "only" have degrees, our students will probably learn to capitalise.

So true. Things will get better.

We all have to start somewhere and we all have to pay our dues.

Many have 'only' degrees and many have a desire and an aptitude and an attitude, to teach.

[PeaceBlondie]

Thousands of TEFLers in Thailand don't have a work permit, even some of us who have real degrees, real TEFL certs, one-year B work visas, etc. Aside from some true international schools who hire from overseas, it's virtually unheard of for a prathom-matayom-anuban-language school to get you a WP within a week. Usually, several months, even years, even "in the year 2555, if Thais are still alive."

[Sunderland]

have heard good reports for taiwan and South Korea as well,

at least for a decent salary.

teaching english in Thailand is such a load of nonsense and it is very underpaid.

i have done quite a bit and it would take a minimum of 60K baht to entice me again.

problem is its a business scam and they don't want teachers at all.

just frangs who can play games with kids while the school/agency pick up the money from the parents.

i am a properly qualified teacher in australia.

it means nothing,

so often i have been teaching with farangs with just tefl or just a degree

not to mention the total ###### farangs who are sometimes in a higher position in the english program who play power games,

not to mention the filipina bosses who assess you, what a joke.

its all a sad silly joke.

the little blighters couldn't care less about learning english.

What a sad attitude from a "qualified" teacher. No truth in it at all. You simply haven't adapted to the way in which they will learn. Go back to Australia and teach them English

[marshbags]

Hiya tinglish,I think you need to be more flexible in your attitude and adapt to the local culture, wherever that may be as you will always get these situations.

Regarding ML from Australia if you should return home perhaps it would be better for your karma.

No visa problems and the pay will be in A$ and equal to justify your performance and along with being a qualified teacher, could mean something.

Just out of curiosity as you seem a little inexperienced in worldly matters

How old are you and how long have you been teaching if i might be allowed to ask.

I have seen Tefl qualified teachers who enjoy their job and are an asset to Thai schools which seems about opposite to your outlook.

In my humble opinion.

marshbags