Witness of 2010 temple crackdown deaths 'abducted by military'

[bkkcanuck8]

Ok. Let's hear it from the junta followers that this is totally reprehensible.

Or will you be saying there must be more to it.

Ahh the sound of those ducking for cover.

So you know why she was "arrested"?

Does it matter why? The fact is she was arrested but the Junta apologists harped on about it being red shirts in disguise.

And many others were suggesting that the military had killed her off.

It appears that her arrest has nothing to do with 2010. It could actually bring into question her whole 2010 wat story.

Well the military was saying - it was not us it was someone else that must have done it for nefarious purposes. The only reason why she was released unharmed is because it became too much trouble for them to make her disappear. If not for stories on the Bangkok Post, I am not sure you would have ever seen her. If she was taken into custody for "legitimate" reasons, there would have been no reason to deny it and blame it on third party provocateurs.... it was just the story was not washing and was becoming a PR nightmare.

[DiamondKing]

And many others were suggesting that the military had killed her off.

It appears that her arrest has nothing to do with 2010. It could actually bring into question her whole 2010 wat story.

Yes it could have nothing to do with 2010. I never said it did.

But the army denied they had her. Posters on here said it was likely the red shirts had her.

Facts are the army has her.

And they lied about it while trying to put it on opponents of the coup just proves you cant believe a word that comes out their mouthes

[Linky]

I would sure hate to be a witness in any case involving the army at the moment.

[96tehtarp]

And many others were suggesting that the military had killed her off.

It appears that her arrest has nothing to do with 2010. It could actually bring into question her whole 2010 wat story.

Yes it could have nothing to do with 2010. I never said it did.

But the army denied they had her. Posters on here said it was likely the red shirts had her.

Facts are the army has her.

And they lied about it while trying to put it on opponents of the coup just proves you cant believe a word that comes out their mouthes

From the full article linked in the post by webfact above:

"Last May, the junta held a Redshirt activist incommunicado for three weeks – violating the seven-day limit under martial law – before admitting to the public that she was in military custody. The activist, Kritsuda Khunasen, fled Thailand shortly after she was released and accused soldiers of torturing her."

[Mango Bob]

The Junta is picking up people out of their homes, detaining them without reason or cause. lying about it and some people here who support the Junta think this kind of stuff is okay. She was brave given the three finger salute, I am sure that will be another 7 days of re-education.

[Pi Sek]

It's all over twitter now with a video on youtube. She was being held in military custody. Tweet by @KhaosodEnglish

'Missing' witness of 2010 crackdown deaths was in military custody after all. Footage: Details forthcoming.

Thanks for that video. Shows very clearly that she was indeed in (military? - I only see police) custody.

Interesting to note however her zeal to use the 3-finger salute - obviously not a fan of the army, which may be a result of her detention (maybe her detention was the result of criticising or even slandering the army). Either way I would wonder how impartial/true her witness account would be, although the 3-finger salute doesn't necessarily mean she is affiliated with the Red Shirts.

As we don't know why she was detained, we don't know much really. All we know is she was one of those going on record saying the army was firing into the temple. (There are also witness accounts saying the MiB and RTA had a firefight nearby earlier in the day.) I somehow suspect she was picked up by the RTA because they know something about her that we don't yet know. She has "defiance" written all over her - understandable given the circumstances at face value, but this defiant look might also be a long-standing hatred of Thaksin opponents. We all know how much love, trust & tears your average UDD supporter puts into supporting the Shin crowd.

Still though, "abduction of key witnesses" is obviously not in the best interests of transparency or justice. I have to wonder why the RTA initially denied it.

[bkkcanuck8]

It's all over twitter now with a video on youtube. She was being held in military custody. Tweet by @KhaosodEnglish

'Missing' witness of 2010 crackdown deaths was in military custody after all. Footage: Details forthcoming.

Thanks for that video. Shows very clearly that she was indeed in (military? - I only see police) custody.

Interesting to note however her zeal to use the 3-finger salute - obviously not a fan of the army, which may be a result of her detention (maybe her detention was the result of criticising or even slandering the army). Either way I would wonder how impartial/true her witness account would be, although the 3-finger salute doesn't necessarily mean she is affiliated with the Red Shirts.

As we don't know why she was detained, we don't know much really. All we know is she was one of those going on record saying the army was firing into the temple. (There are also witness accounts saying the MiB and RTA had a firefight nearby earlier in the day.) I somehow suspect she was picked up by the RTA because they know something about her that we don't yet know. She has "defiance" written all over her - understandable given the circumstances at face value, but this defiant look might also be a long-standing hatred of Thaksin opponents. We all know how much love, trust & tears your average UDD supporter puts into supporting the Shin crowd.

Still though, "abduction of key witnesses" is obviously not in the best interests of transparency or justice. I have to wonder why the RTA initially denied it.

If you were detained by the military, police or other organization without due process.... I am pretty sure you would not be too fond of them either.

I did notice that the military did not "deliver her" but she was escorted by police while the military tried not to be photographed after lying to the public about her detention. If she was detained for valid reasons, why would they not be public and say that she was detained for those reasons? Probably because they could not justify it?

I also noticed that the officers did not interfere with her three finger salute. I am guessing that those officers may be disciplined for allowing the individual the freedom to protest like that as it can be seen as tacit support for the person they are escorting (at least in Thailand).

Edited March 17, 2015 by bkkcanuck8

[than]

It's all over twitter now with a video on youtube. She was being held in military custody. Tweet by @KhaosodEnglish

'Missing' witness of 2010 crackdown deaths was in military custody after all. Footage: Details forthcoming.

Thanks for that video. Shows very clearly that she was indeed in (military? - I only see police) custody.

Interesting to note however her zeal to use the 3-finger salute - obviously not a fan of the army, which may be a result of her detention (maybe her detention was the result of criticising or even slandering the army). Either way I would wonder how impartial/true her witness account would be, although the 3-finger salute doesn't necessarily mean she is affiliated with the Red Shirts.

As we don't know why she was detained, we don't know much really. All we know is she was one of those going on record saying the army was firing into the temple. (There are also witness accounts saying the MiB and RTA had a firefight nearby earlier in the day.) I somehow suspect she was picked up by the RTA because they know something about her that we don't yet know. She has "defiance" written all over her - understandable given the circumstances at face value, but this defiant look might also be a long-standing hatred of Thaksin opponents. We all know how much love, trust & tears your average UDD supporter puts into supporting the Shin crowd.

Still though, "abduction of key witnesses" is obviously not in the best interests of transparency or justice. I have to wonder why the RTA initially denied it.

she is probably link with terrorist red black shirt movement

remenber in the famous temple black shirt uniforms have been found...... red shirt are the only movement on the world who not recognize existence of armed element in it rank despite evidence and criticize from foreign NGO like Human right watch (see world report 2014 Thailand.....)

[whybother]

The Junta is picking up people out of their homes, detaining them without reason or cause. lying about it and some people here who support the Junta think this kind of stuff is okay. She was brave given the three finger salute, I am sure that will be another 7 days of re-education.

Being involved in the recent court bombings is the reason/cause.

[bkkcanuck8]

It's all over twitter now with a video on youtube. She was being held in military custody. Tweet by @KhaosodEnglish

'Missing' witness of 2010 crackdown deaths was in military custody after all. Footage: Details forthcoming.

Thanks for that video. Shows very clearly that she was indeed in (military? - I only see police) custody.

Interesting to note however her zeal to use the 3-finger salute - obviously not a fan of the army, which may be a result of her detention (maybe her detention was the result of criticising or even slandering the army). Either way I would wonder how impartial/true her witness account would be, although the 3-finger salute doesn't necessarily mean she is affiliated with the Red Shirts.

As we don't know why she was detained, we don't know much really. All we know is she was one of those going on record saying the army was firing into the temple. (There are also witness accounts saying the MiB and RTA had a firefight nearby earlier in the day.) I somehow suspect she was picked up by the RTA because they know something about her that we don't yet know. She has "defiance" written all over her - understandable given the circumstances at face value, but this defiant look might also be a long-standing hatred of Thaksin opponents. We all know how much love, trust & tears your average UDD supporter puts into supporting the Shin crowd.

Still though, "abduction of key witnesses" is obviously not in the best interests of transparency or justice. I have to wonder why the RTA initially denied it.

she is probably link with terrorist red black shirt movement

remenber in the famous temple black shirt uniforms have been found...... red shirt are the only movement on the world who not recognize existence of armed element in it rank despite evidence and criticize from foreign NGO like Human right watch (see world report 2014 Thailand.....)

Not likely that reason if they arrested a terrorist the military and the police would have paraded their prize in public and said that because of them another terrorist is off the streets. The scenario you are making just do not make sense. Why deny, deny, deny?

[96tehtarp]

It's all over twitter now with a video on youtube. She was being held in military custody. Tweet by @KhaosodEnglish

'Missing' witness of 2010 crackdown deaths was in military custody after all. Footage: Details forthcoming.

Thanks for that video. Shows very clearly that she was indeed in (military? - I only see police) custody.

"Thanks for that video. Shows very clearly that she was indeed in (military? - I only see police) custody."

The full article by the alleged "unreliable and illegitimate" KhaosodEnglish states:

"Nattathida emerged this morning when police brought her to the headquarters of the Bangkok Metropolitan Police Bureau in a van belonging to the 11th Army District."

[jdinasia]

The Junta is picking up people out of their homes, detaining them without reason or cause. lying about it and some people here who support the Junta think this kind of stuff is okay. She was brave given the three finger salute, I am sure that will be another 7 days of re-education.

No reason / no cause? Where are you getting that from?

[jdinasia]

The Junta is picking up people out of their homes, detaining them without reason or cause. lying about it and some people here who support the Junta think this kind of stuff is okay. She was brave given the three finger salute, I am sure that will be another 7 days of re-education.

Being involved in the recent court bombings is the reason/cause.

That might be the reason (probably is) but I have yet to see it in a reliable press release.

[96tehtarp]

The Junta is picking up people out of their homes, detaining them without reason or cause. lying about it and some people here who support the Junta think this kind of stuff is okay. She was brave given the three finger salute, I am sure that will be another 7 days of re-education.

Being involved in the recent court bombings is the reason/cause.

The full article states:

"She was brought to the police HQ with two suspects accused of participating in the grenade attack on a Bangkok court house earlier this month."

It's either a freak coincidence they were brought to police HQ together, or there is a connection. The coup was supposed to put an end to bombings and mass protests once and for all. Is it all starting to unravel again?

[bkkcanuck8]

The Junta is picking up people out of their homes, detaining them without reason or cause. lying about it and some people here who support the Junta think this kind of stuff is okay. She was brave given the three finger salute, I am sure that will be another 7 days of re-education.

Being involved in the recent court bombings is the reason/cause.

That might be the reason (probably is) but I have yet to see it in a reliable press release.

Highly UNLIKELY since it would directly contradict what the military has indicated, terrorist crimes against the nation will be tried in MILITARY court under MARSHAL law and not in civilian court. If she were truly a terrorist she would have not be transferred to police custody.

[jdinasia]

The Junta is picking up people out of their homes, detaining them without reason or cause. lying about it and some people here who support the Junta think this kind of stuff is okay. She was brave given the three finger salute, I am sure that will be another 7 days of re-education.

Being involved in the recent court bombings is the reason/cause.

That might be the reason (probably is) but I have yet to see it in a reliable press release.

Highly UNLIKELY since it would directly contradict what the military has indicated, terrorist crimes against the nation will be tried in MILITARY court under MARSHAL law and not in civilian court. If she were truly a terrorist she would have not be transferred to police custody.

Transferred to the police for release, if the KhaoSod article is correct.

MARTIAL law being available doesn't mean it will always be used. It may benefit the government to use civilian courts for those on the periphery of a crime so that people can see the results.

[rubl]

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Now, now, cool down. The fact that you think some policies or ideologies are despicable doesn't mean they are. Would you accept a statement by the 'great' North Korean leader that some countries, like Australia for instance, have despicable policies and ideologies? As 'elected' Head of state he'd be in a better position to judge than you, don't you think ?

Anyway, all this doesn't help the witness who may have been abducted, allegedly by army personel and maybe by others. On the other hand she might be on the run to apply for asylum somewhere. Who knows.

The first half of your post makes no sense.

And what a system that can disappear a citizen for a week without question or explanation, do you think it a good one?

The first paragraph you don't agree with I would imagine. That's why stating not to understand is easier.

AS for your second sentence, you assume 'the system' disappeared a citizen. There's no proof of that. Allegedly the lady is abducted, allegedly by the military. as her relative said. That may or may not be true. That's bad, allegedly.

If it was the military they have the legal right under the Military Law. For two more days. If it wasn't the military than a crime seems to have been committed, assuming she was abducted.

PS I don't want to sound like a guardhouse lawyer, but when the lady voluntarily went with the alleged military strictly speaking she wasn't abducted. Mind you, by now she might be held by some against her will.

Defending the indefensible

Interesting sentence. Since you seem to feel that it's obvious and should be clear for all to see, I assume you can explain yourself?

[rubl]

Who was in charge of the military back in 2010 when this happened and may be covering his tracks? Is he still in the country?

In 2010 the Prime Minister was in charge of the Military. As such you seem to be defending the military as you suggest they may only have followed orders.

[rubl]

Abduction is a serious crime in Thailand - unless, of course, you are a member of the military acting on behalf of the self-appointed government.

Time for the cowed mass media to start doing its job and making this story front page news until the whereabouts and welfare of this young lady are verified and she is returned safely to her family..

In the meantime, perhaps all those expats who keep telling me that "nothing has really changed" since democracy was a abandoned in Thailand should have a little re-think.

The Saudis would agree with you that abduction is a serious crime and certainly killing the abducted. It's time the mass media start doing their job and publish details on what has cost Thailand billions in trade over the last 25 years.

Anyway, by now the topic needs renaming as the lady was in military custody under the provisions of the Military Law. Till now no further details provided although there may or may not be a link with the recent bomb attacks.

[catterwell]

Yesterday, Col. Winthai Suwaree, spokesperson of the ruling military junta, denied that Nattathida was in military custody, and attributed her alleged abduction to "individuals with ill intentions" who disguised themselves as military officers.

However, Nattathida emerged this morning when police brought her to the headquarters of the Bangkok Metropolitan Police Bureau in a van belonging to the 11th Army District.

I find that juxtaposition of sentences noteworthy.

[rubl]

In Thailand there is no need for a junta for that. Speaking out against 'influencial peoples' interest can already be life threatening.

Didn't we have a topic a few days ago about "late Muslim human rights lawyer Somchai Nilapaichit" who disappeared 11 years ago?

BTW as the last weeks we have seen more topics on 'fake' soldiers, I will refrain from further speculating till more info is provided.

you state that as if it is not understood which "party" in Thailand is the most likely to have abducted Somchai...

do you know which group of people that would most likely be?

Either the bad guys, the fake guys or the fake bad guys I guess.

BTW 'understood who most likely' sounds 'almost' sure. Probably based on 'real' evidence ?

no answer?

I have no idea which group understands which party is most likely to have abducted the human right lawyer k. Somchai and I somehow doubt you know and are able to explain and give facts to help your explanation.

[rubl]

It's all over twitter now with a video on youtube. She was being held in military custody. Tweet by @KhaosodEnglish

'Missing' witness of 2010 crackdown deaths was in military custody after all. Footage: Details forthcoming.

Thanks for that video. Shows very clearly that she was indeed in (military? - I only see police) custody.

Interesting to note however her zeal to use the 3-finger salute - obviously not a fan of the army, which may be a result of her detention (maybe her detention was the result of criticising or even slandering the army). Either way I would wonder how impartial/true her witness account would be, although the 3-finger salute doesn't necessarily mean she is affiliated with the Red Shirts.

As we don't know why she was detained, we don't know much really. All we know is she was one of those going on record saying the army was firing into the temple. (There are also witness accounts saying the MiB and RTA had a firefight nearby earlier in the day.) I somehow suspect she was picked up by the RTA because they know something about her that we don't yet know. She has "defiance" written all over her - understandable given the circumstances at face value, but this defiant look might also be a long-standing hatred of Thaksin opponents. We all know how much love, trust & tears your average UDD supporter puts into supporting the Shin crowd.

Still though, "abduction of key witnesses" is obviously not in the best interests of transparency or justice. I have to wonder why the RTA initially denied it.

For one there seems to have been no abduction as the latest report state the family said the lady was arrested by five soldiers.

Also apart from identifying the lady as being 'a key witness' there is no explanation why that should have any relation with her being arrested. The possible relation with people involved in the recent bomb attacks seems a more likely reason.

PS excuse my sense of humour. Looking at the lady, apart from a three finger salute she might also provoke with underboob selfies

[SOUTHERNSTAR]

Ok. Let's hear it from the junta followers that this is totally reprehensible.

Or will you be saying there must be more to it.

Ahh the sound of those ducking for cover.

So you know why she was "arrested"?

Does it matter why? The fact is she was arrested but the Junta apologists harped on about it being red shirts in disguise.

And many others were suggesting that the military had killed her off.

It appears that her arrest has nothing to do with 2010. It could actually bring into question her whole 2010 wat story.

Where do you get your information from that her detention don't have anything to do with 2010? This is just another case of someone lying or the left hand not knowing what the right hand is doing.

[tbthailand]

A lot of hot air being blown about on this thread. Until the girl comes to light and tells of her experience no-one knows anything.

Assuming that she is still alive. She was

Unverified conjecture removed.

Until it is established an "abduction" actually occurred, it's unsupported speculation based on a sole report by a chronically and extremely biased source with a long history of false reports.

please feel free to provide just a couple of the "long history of false reports"...

quack...

[tbthailand]

It's all over twitter now with a video on youtube. She was being held in military custody. Tweet by @KhaosodEnglish

'Missing' witness of 2010 crackdown deaths was in military custody after all. Footage: Details forthcoming.

Thanks for that video. Shows very clearly that she was indeed in (military? - I only see police) custody.

Interesting to note however her zeal to use the 3-finger salute - obviously not a fan of the army, which may be a result of her detention (maybe her detention was the result of criticising or even slandering the army). Either way I would wonder how impartial/true her witness account would be, although the 3-finger salute doesn't necessarily mean she is affiliated with the Red Shirts.

As we don't know why she was detained, we don't know much really. All we know is she was one of those going on record saying the army was firing into the temple. (There are also witness accounts saying the MiB and RTA had a firefight nearby earlier in the day.) I somehow suspect she was picked up by the RTA because they know something about her that we don't yet know. She has "defiance" written all over her - understandable given the circumstances at face value, but this defiant look might also be a long-standing hatred of Thaksin opponents. We all know how much love, trust & tears your average UDD supporter puts into supporting the Shin crowd.

Still though, "abduction of key witnesses" is obviously not in the best interests of transparency or justice. I have to wonder why the RTA initially denied it.

For one there seems to have been no abduction as the latest report state the family said the lady was arrested by five soldiers.

Also apart from identifying the lady as being 'a key witness' there is no explanation why that should have any relation with her being arrested. The possible relation with people involved in the recent bomb attacks seems a more likely reason.

PS excuse my sense of humour. Looking at the lady, apart from a three finger salute she might also provoke with underboob selfies

For one there seems to have been no abduction as the latest report state the family said the lady was arrested by five soldiers.

so some calls saying they want to by property, arrive, turn out to be plain clothes military, take away a lady with no explanation, no information for the family on her whereabouts and the military denies having her in custody for 6 days...

what the heck qualifies as "abduction" in your opinion??

[bkkcanuck8]

Who was in charge of the military back in 2010 when this happened and may be covering his tracks? Is he still in the country?

In 2010 the Prime Minister was in charge of the Military. As such you seem to be defending the military as you suggest they may only have followed orders.

Your funny.... how many coups have their been over the years.... I think that pretty much proves that no civilian government has really been "in charge" of the military. So soon after the previous coup -- no government is going to exert control over the military -- unless the military is agreeable to what it is being "ordered to do". The military sees themselves above any civilian government, and outside if it's direct control.... and they are.

[whybother]

Where do you get your information from that her detention don't have anything to do with 2010? This is just another case of someone lying or the left hand not knowing what the right hand is doing.

There are suggestions in several reports that she was detained in relation to the recent court bombings.

There is nothing in any of the reports that her detention had anything to do with 2010. The likelyhood that she was detained in relation to 2010 is remote, given that that was 5 years ago, the inquest was 2-3 years ago (in which I assume she gave evidence), and the coup was a year ago. Why would she be detained in relation to that now?

[Jai Dee]

Too many argumentative replies here...

Discuss the topic, not each other please.

[tbthailand]

you state that as if it is not understood which "party" in Thailand is the most likely to have abducted Somchai...

do you know which group of people that would most likely be?

Either the bad guys, the fake guys or the fake bad guys I guess.

BTW 'understood who most likely' sounds 'almost' sure. Probably based on 'real' evidence ?

no answer?

I have no idea which group understands which party is most likely to have abducted the human right lawyer k. Somchai and I somehow doubt you know and are able to explain and give facts to help your explanation.

I refer to "most likely" and you change that to "know"... since there has never been a transparent investigation and since the body has never been found, there is obviously no evidence to examine regarding who did it...

Again, this is why I posed the question the way that I did...

But your reply would indicate that you are ignorant of the situation in the south or pretending to be ignorant of the situation in the south.

and I guess that is an answer, ...

[bkkcanuck8]

Where do you get your information from that her detention don't have anything to do with 2010? This is just another case of someone lying or the left hand not knowing what the right hand is doing.

There are suggestions in several reports that she was detained in relation to the recent court bombings.

There is nothing in any of the reports that her detention had anything to do with 2010. The likelyhood that she was detained in relation to 2010 is remote, given that that was 5 years ago, the inquest was 2-3 years ago (in which I assume she gave evidence), and the coup was a year ago. Why would she be detained in relation to that now?

Because talking about it is slanderous against the military... You fail to understand that truth is not necessarily a defense against slander or libel (not just specific to the military). She might have needed an "attitude adjustment" to talk about things that will return "happiness" to the Thai people and talking about things that won't.... are not acceptable....