NRC's whips to consider the practice of hiring relatives to be assistants of NRC members

[casualbiker]

One question. If the people who are hired as aides are ACTUALLY doing the job of aide.. What's the problem.. the wages are in keeping with the job title, it's fairly common practice in business to have your most trusted person as aide. As long as the people are DOING the job that they are paid for honestly.. What's the problem?

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/index.php?/topic/805776-Vice-Admiral-Taratorn-Thinsuwan-Employs-Wife-and-Daughter-in-4-Roles

There is one case where an admiral is employing his wife and daughter in 4 roles. As long as 2 people are doing the 4 jobs they are paid for...What's the problem?

The junta lovers have an amazing ability to rationalize all wrongdoings. And when they can't, just throw out the tried and true "but, but, but the last government did it..."

That's the NLA this item is the NRC.. Keep up!

And my comments were exactly as stated. If the people are doing the job correctly. What's the problem?

If the family members are working part time in a full time role that's not working correctly. But other wise.

So the question is, if all the family members are working correctly in their full time positions for the wage stated (which seems average for an office worker) then what's the problem?

Like I said, the junta lovers have an amazing ability to rationalize all wrongdoings.

Like I asked : if all the family members are working correctly in their full time positions for the wage stated (which seems average for an office worker) then what's the problem?.

It's amazing how educated people cannot answer a simple question!

You seem to not be able to grasp the ethical issue here, but, quite understandable, since you also seem to fail to see the ethical issue with forcefully deposing elected governments.

Your correct. As long as the people in the jobs have the experience and qualifications to do the job, I do not see a problem. The salaries paid are in keeping with a job of this kind!

If on the other hand they DON'T have the experience and qualifications then it's wrong.. we are talking about aides NOT nuclear scientists so I'm presuming any one with a high school education would fit the bill.

Of course they could, and probably will have to employ staff outside of their families. So advertising, time for interviews, security checks etc. That should add a few months to their schedule.. but that's no problem, right?

Let me help you with your first step towards ethical enlightenment.

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/5370842

" Former Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra, who was sacked by the Constitutional Court earlier this month for nepotism, was ..."

That case is nothing like this. She moved a person to make way for a member of her family to take the position hence trying to secure a favourable outcome in future!

In the OP they were new posts!

It seems that it's you that cannot grasp the difference!

According to this report she was sacked due to abuse of power :

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-05-07/thailand-yingluck-court-verdict/5436798?pfm=ms

Edited March 19, 2015 by casualbiker

[Mr Somtam]

How many high government people in REAL democracies have family working for them? I think they call it nepotism...

[brucec64]

One question. If the people who are hired as aides are ACTUALLY doing the job of aide.. What's the problem.. the wages are in keeping with the job title, it's fairly common practice in business to have your most trusted person as aide. As long as the people are DOING the job that they are paid for honestly.. What's the problem?

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/index.php?/topic/805776-Vice-Admiral-Taratorn-Thinsuwan-Employs-Wife-and-Daughter-in-4-Roles

There is one case where an admiral is employing his wife and daughter in 4 roles. As long as 2 people are doing the 4 jobs they are paid for...What's the problem?

The junta lovers have an amazing ability to rationalize all wrongdoings. And when they can't, just throw out the tried and true "but, but, but the last government did it..."

That's the NLA this item is the NRC.. Keep up!

And my comments were exactly as stated. If the people are doing the job correctly. What's the problem?

If the family members are working part time in a full time role that's not working correctly. But other wise.

So the question is, if all the family members are working correctly in their full time positions for the wage stated (which seems average for an office worker) then what's the problem?

Like I said, the junta lovers have an amazing ability to rationalize all wrongdoings.

Like I asked : if all the family members are working correctly in their full time positions for the wage stated (which seems average for an office worker) then what's the problem?.

It's amazing how educated people cannot answer a simple question!

You seem to not be able to grasp the ethical issue here, but, quite understandable, since you also seem to fail to see the ethical issue with forcefully deposing elected governments.

Your correct. As long as the people in the jobs have the experience and qualifications to do the job, I do not see a problem. The salaries paid are in keeping with a job of this kind!

If on the other hand they DON'T have the experience and qualifications then it's wrong.. we are talking about aides NOT nuclear scientists so I'm presuming any one with a high school education would fit the bill.

Of course they could, and probably will have to employ staff outside of their families. So advertising, time for interviews, security checks etc. That should add a few months to their schedule.. but that's no problem, right?

Let me help you with your first step towards ethical enlightenment.

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/5370842

" Former Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra, who was sacked by the Constitutional Court earlier this month for nepotism, was ..."

That case is nothing like this. She moved a person to make way for a member of her family to take the position hence trying to secure a favourable outcome in future!

In the OP they were new posts!

It seems that it's you that cannot grasp the difference!

According to this report she was sacked due to abuse of power :

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-05-07/thailand-yingluck-court-verdict/5436798?pfm=ms

Nepotism is nepotism is nepotism, regardless of the situational ethics you apply in order to rationalize this.

Also, abuse of power includes nepotism.

The junta government rationalized their deposing of an elected government based on alleged corruption and nepotism. This rationalization holds them to a higher standard. So far, I don't see the junta meeting this standard.

[casualbiker]

One question. If the people who are hired as aides are ACTUALLY doing the job of aide.. What's the problem.. the wages are in keeping with the job title, it's fairly common practice in business to have your most trusted person as aide. As long as the people are DOING the job that they are paid for honestly.. What's the problem?

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/index.php?/topic/805776-Vice-Admiral-Taratorn-Thinsuwan-Employs-Wife-and-Daughter-in-4-Roles

There is one case where an admiral is employing his wife and daughter in 4 roles. As long as 2 people are doing the 4 jobs they are paid for...What's the problem?

The junta lovers have an amazing ability to rationalize all wrongdoings. And when they can't, just throw out the tried and true "but, but, but the last government did it..."

That's the NLA this item is the NRC.. Keep up!

And my comments were exactly as stated. If the people are doing the job correctly. What's the problem?

If the family members are working part time in a full time role that's not working correctly. But other wise.

So the question is, if all the family members are working correctly in their full time positions for the wage stated (which seems average for an office worker) then what's the problem?

Like I said, the junta lovers have an amazing ability to rationalize all wrongdoings.

Like I asked : if all the family members are working correctly in their full time positions for the wage stated (which seems average for an office worker) then what's the problem?.

It's amazing how educated people cannot answer a simple question!

You seem to not be able to grasp the ethical issue here, but, quite understandable, since you also seem to fail to see the ethical issue with forcefully deposing elected governments.

Your correct. As long as the people in the jobs have the experience and qualifications to do the job, I do not see a problem. The salaries paid are in keeping with a job of this kind!

If on the other hand they DON'T have the experience and qualifications then it's wrong.. we are talking about aides NOT nuclear scientists so I'm presuming any one with a high school education would fit the bill.

Of course they could, and probably will have to employ staff outside of their families. So advertising, time for interviews, security checks etc. That should add a few months to their schedule.. but that's no problem, right?

Let me help you with your first step towards ethical enlightenment.

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/5370842

" Former Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra, who was sacked by the Constitutional Court earlier this month for nepotism, was ..."

That case is nothing like this. She moved a person to make way for a member of her family to take the position hence trying to secure a favourable outcome in future!

In the OP they were new posts!

It seems that it's you that cannot grasp the difference!

According to this report she was sacked due to abuse of power :

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-05-07/thailand-yingluck-court-verdict/5436798?pfm=ms

Nepotism is nepotism is nepotism, regardless of the situational ethics you apply in order to rationalize this.

Also, abuse of power includes nepotism.

The junta government rationalized their deposing of an elected government based on alleged corruption and nepotism. This rationalization holds them to a higher standard. So far, I don't see the junta meeting this standard.

I do find it amazing that you talk about nepotism but yet still supported Thaksin and Yingluck.. her business career and political career was based on nepotism, because as you say "Nepotism is nepotism is nepotism, regardless of the situational ethics you apply in order to rationalize this."

Ohhh and of course there was also Somchai!

Where were you then?

[brucec64]

One question. If the people who are hired as aides are ACTUALLY doing the job of aide.. What's the problem.. the wages are in keeping with the job title, it's fairly common practice in business to have your most trusted person as aide. As long as the people are DOING the job that they are paid for honestly.. What's the problem?

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/index.php?/topic/805776-Vice-Admiral-Taratorn-Thinsuwan-Employs-Wife-and-Daughter-in-4-Roles

There is one case where an admiral is employing his wife and daughter in 4 roles. As long as 2 people are doing the 4 jobs they are paid for...What's the problem?

The junta lovers have an amazing ability to rationalize all wrongdoings. And when they can't, just throw out the tried and true "but, but, but the last government did it..."

That's the NLA this item is the NRC.. Keep up!

And my comments were exactly as stated. If the people are doing the job correctly. What's the problem?

If the family members are working part time in a full time role that's not working correctly. But other wise.

So the question is, if all the family members are working correctly in their full time positions for the wage stated (which seems average for an office worker) then what's the problem?

Like I said, the junta lovers have an amazing ability to rationalize all wrongdoings.

Like I asked : if all the family members are working correctly in their full time positions for the wage stated (which seems average for an office worker) then what's the problem?.

It's amazing how educated people cannot answer a simple question!

You seem to not be able to grasp the ethical issue here, but, quite understandable, since you also seem to fail to see the ethical issue with forcefully deposing elected governments.

Your correct. As long as the people in the jobs have the experience and qualifications to do the job, I do not see a problem. The salaries paid are in keeping with a job of this kind!

If on the other hand they DON'T have the experience and qualifications then it's wrong.. we are talking about aides NOT nuclear scientists so I'm presuming any one with a high school education would fit the bill.

Of course they could, and probably will have to employ staff outside of their families. So advertising, time for interviews, security checks etc. That should add a few months to their schedule.. but that's no problem, right?

Let me help you with your first step towards ethical enlightenment.

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/5370842

" Former Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra, who was sacked by the Constitutional Court earlier this month for nepotism, was ..."

That case is nothing like this. She moved a person to make way for a member of her family to take the position hence trying to secure a favourable outcome in future!

In the OP they were new posts!

It seems that it's you that cannot grasp the difference!

According to this report she was sacked due to abuse of power :

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-05-07/thailand-yingluck-court-verdict/5436798?pfm=ms

Nepotism is nepotism is nepotism, regardless of the situational ethics you apply in order to rationalize this.

Also, abuse of power includes nepotism.

The junta government rationalized their deposing of an elected government based on alleged corruption and nepotism. This rationalization holds them to a higher standard. So far, I don't see the junta meeting this standard.

I do find it amazing that you talk about nepotism but yet still supported Thaksin and Yingluck.. her business career and political career was based on nepotism, because as you say "Nepotism is nepotism is nepotism, regardless of the situational ethics you apply in order to rationalize this."

Ohhh and of course there was also Somchai!

Where were you then?

It took two posts, but out comes the "but, but, but Yingluck".

Please let me know where in this thread I supported Yingluck? I don't support nepotism, and I definitely don't support the double standard and hypocrisy of this current junta.

If you overthrow the previous government based on nepotism, and then practice it yourself, you cannot claim to be righteous. The coup was just a power grab, and those in power now have been waiting a long time to get their noses in the trough, and are very obviously taking full advantage of their time at the top.

[Fat Haggis]

For the life of me I just don't know why NOBODY here who frequents this part of the forum was never employed as one of these NLA personal assistants !!!

After all the experience and expertise would make many of TVF Members the ideal ANALysts!!

Why ain't ya employed as one of the PA's Oh yeah, the NLA think you're opinions and expertise are better off working for dyson!!!

? 555555

[casualbiker]

One question. If the people who are hired as aides are ACTUALLY doing the job of aide.. What's the problem.. the wages are in keeping with the job title, it's fairly common practice in business to have your most trusted person as aide. As long as the people are DOING the job that they are paid for honestly.. What's the problem?

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/index.php?/topic/805776-Vice-Admiral-Taratorn-Thinsuwan-Employs-Wife-and-Daughter-in-4-Roles

There is one case where an admiral is employing his wife and daughter in 4 roles. As long as 2 people are doing the 4 jobs they are paid for...What's the problem?

The junta lovers have an amazing ability to rationalize all wrongdoings. And when they can't, just throw out the tried and true "but, but, but the last government did it..."

That's the NLA this item is the NRC.. Keep up!

And my comments were exactly as stated. If the people are doing the job correctly. What's the problem?

If the family members are working part time in a full time role that's not working correctly. But other wise.

So the question is, if all the family members are working correctly in their full time positions for the wage stated (which seems average for an office worker) then what's the problem?

Like I said, the junta lovers have an amazing ability to rationalize all wrongdoings.

Like I asked : if all the family members are working correctly in their full time positions for the wage stated (which seems average for an office worker) then what's the problem?.

It's amazing how educated people cannot answer a simple question!

You seem to not be able to grasp the ethical issue here, but, quite understandable, since you also seem to fail to see the ethical issue with forcefully deposing elected governments.

Your correct. As long as the people in the jobs have the experience and qualifications to do the job, I do not see a problem. The salaries paid are in keeping with a job of this kind!

If on the other hand they DON'T have the experience and qualifications then it's wrong.. we are talking about aides NOT nuclear scientists so I'm presuming any one with a high school education would fit the bill.

Of course they could, and probably will have to employ staff outside of their families. So advertising, time for interviews, security checks etc. That should add a few months to their schedule.. but that's no problem, right?

Let me help you with your first step towards ethical enlightenment.

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/5370842

" Former Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra, who was sacked by the Constitutional Court earlier this month for nepotism, was ..."

That case is nothing like this. She moved a person to make way for a member of her family to take the position hence trying to secure a favourable outcome in future!

In the OP they were new posts!

It seems that it's you that cannot grasp the difference!

According to this report she was sacked due to abuse of power :

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-05-07/thailand-yingluck-court-verdict/5436798?pfm=ms

Nepotism is nepotism is nepotism, regardless of the situational ethics you apply in order to rationalize this.

Also, abuse of power includes nepotism.

The junta government rationalized their deposing of an elected government based on alleged corruption and nepotism. This rationalization holds them to a higher standard. So far, I don't see the junta meeting this standard.

I do find it amazing that you talk about nepotism but yet still supported Thaksin and Yingluck.. her business career and political career was based on nepotism, because as you say "Nepotism is nepotism is nepotism, regardless of the situational ethics you apply in order to rationalize this."

Ohhh and of course there was also Somchai!

Where were you then?

It took two posts, but out comes the "but, but, but Yingluck".

Please let me know where in this thread I supported Yingluck? I don't support nepotism, and I definitely don't support the double standard and hypocrisy of this current junta.

If you overthrow the previous government based on nepotism, and then practice it yourself, you cannot claim to be righteous. The coup was just a power grab, and those in power now have been waiting a long time to get their noses in the trough, and are very obviously taking full advantage of their time at the top.

Your reading and comprehension skills leave a lot to be desired!

Brucec64. You have been a staunch supporter of all things Thaksin in the past. Even though every shinawatra government was based on nepotism!

But whatever rocks your boat!

But I agree that companies owned by politicians etc should certainly not get contracts or family members put into positions of authority.. Again in this instance we are talking about personal aides on salaries that actually do reflect the type of job done! Very different in my view!

[brucec64]

One question. If the people who are hired as aides are ACTUALLY doing the job of aide.. What's the problem.. the wages are in keeping with the job title, it's fairly common practice in business to have your most trusted person as aide. As long as the people are DOING the job that they are paid for honestly.. What's the problem?

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/index.php?/topic/805776-Vice-Admiral-Taratorn-Thinsuwan-Employs-Wife-and-Daughter-in-4-Roles

There is one case where an admiral is employing his wife and daughter in 4 roles. As long as 2 people are doing the 4 jobs they are paid for...What's the problem?

The junta lovers have an amazing ability to rationalize all wrongdoings. And when they can't, just throw out the tried and true "but, but, but the last government did it..."

That's the NLA this item is the NRC.. Keep up!

And my comments were exactly as stated. If the people are doing the job correctly. What's the problem?

If the family members are working part time in a full time role that's not working correctly. But other wise.

So the question is, if all the family members are working correctly in their full time positions for the wage stated (which seems average for an office worker) then what's the problem?

Like I said, the junta lovers have an amazing ability to rationalize all wrongdoings.

Like I asked : if all the family members are working correctly in their full time positions for the wage stated (which seems average for an office worker) then what's the problem?.

It's amazing how educated people cannot answer a simple question!

You seem to not be able to grasp the ethical issue here, but, quite understandable, since you also seem to fail to see the ethical issue with forcefully deposing elected governments.

Your correct. As long as the people in the jobs have the experience and qualifications to do the job, I do not see a problem. The salaries paid are in keeping with a job of this kind!

If on the other hand they DON'T have the experience and qualifications then it's wrong.. we are talking about aides NOT nuclear scientists so I'm presuming any one with a high school education would fit the bill.

Of course they could, and probably will have to employ staff outside of their families. So advertising, time for interviews, security checks etc. That should add a few months to their schedule.. but that's no problem, right?

Let me help you with your first step towards ethical enlightenment.

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/5370842

" Former Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra, who was sacked by the Constitutional Court earlier this month for nepotism, was ..."

That case is nothing like this. She moved a person to make way for a member of her family to take the position hence trying to secure a favourable outcome in future!

In the OP they were new posts!

It seems that it's you that cannot grasp the difference!

According to this report she was sacked due to abuse of power :

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-05-07/thailand-yingluck-court-verdict/5436798?pfm=ms

Nepotism is nepotism is nepotism, regardless of the situational ethics you apply in order to rationalize this.

Also, abuse of power includes nepotism.

The junta government rationalized their deposing of an elected government based on alleged corruption and nepotism. This rationalization holds them to a higher standard. So far, I don't see the junta meeting this standard.

I do find it amazing that you talk about nepotism but yet still supported Thaksin and Yingluck.. her business career and political career was based on nepotism, because as you say "Nepotism is nepotism is nepotism, regardless of the situational ethics you apply in order to rationalize this."

Ohhh and of course there was also Somchai!

Where were you then?

It took two posts, but out comes the "but, but, but Yingluck".

Please let me know where in this thread I supported Yingluck? I don't support nepotism, and I definitely don't support the double standard and hypocrisy of this current junta.

If you overthrow the previous government based on nepotism, and then practice it yourself, you cannot claim to be righteous. The coup was just a power grab, and those in power now have been waiting a long time to get their noses in the trough, and are very obviously taking full advantage of their time at the top.

Your reading and comprehension skills leave a lot to be desired!

Brucec64. You have been a staunch supporter of all things Thaksin in the past. Even though every shinawatra government was based on nepotism!

But whatever rocks your boat!

But I agree that companies owned by politicians etc should certainly not get contracts or family members put into positions of authority.. Again in this instance we are talking about personal aides on salaries that actually do reflect the type of job done! Very different in my view!

When you resort to personal insults you have run out of arguments.

Please show me where my posts have been pro thaksin. And, as been pointed out many, many times on this forum, not supporting a coup based on false pretenses does not imply support for the previous government. (The second most overused reply after the "but, but, but thaksin" argument)

[angiolo]

Keep it in the family.