Is taking Yingluck to court the way to go?

[wabothai]

The question itself shows Thai thinking.

[sweatalot]

Corruption can never be uprooted unless the head is chopped off first, so to speak.

I think she is quite close to that head

Is taking Yingluck to court the way to go?

Yes of course, but it is only part of the way

[halloween]

I can't comment on her answers because I haven't read them.

I am suggesting that irrespective of whatever regime was in power, if there was 700 billion being spent, little or none of it would have been spent on "ordinary people".

Well you've saved yourself a waste of time there. As for your belief on the disposal of B700 billion, if it had been used on one single item of infrastructure, some Thai citizen would have benefited. Instead all they have is the stench of corruption, increased government debt and the knowledge that they have been conned again.

[ginjag]

I think Yingluck has become a bit of a side show these days.

People seem more interested in how much damage the new 'PM' is capable of inflicting on the country ??

Shame he will never be subject to the same courts as Yingluck

For what can I ask. For graft-busting, taking National park land back, making improvements in all areas and setting the conditions so that proper 'free and fair' elections can be held in 2016!!

I would like to see his charge sheet.

There will never be a charge sheet for Mr P, since he has already granted himself amnesty.

Just in case.....................

Just for interest I would like to see a printed record of hours of work (daily/weekly/monthly over 3 years)

as against Prayuths 8 months in charge.

To my thinking he has put in more work hours in 8 months than her 3 years.

He has communicated with the public 1,000 more times than her. A bonus he isn't missing from the country every week on some excuse for opting out of meetings and interviews.

Oh I am sure the block newbies will find a way around my post, sure not to comment on the items I posted.

[JOC]

I think Yingluck has become a bit of a side show these days.

People seem more interested in how much damage the new 'PM' is capable of inflicting on the country ??

Shame he will never be subject to the same courts as Yingluck

For what can I ask. For graft-busting, taking National park land back, making improvements in all areas and setting the conditions so that proper 'free and fair' elections can be held in 2016!!

I would like to see his charge sheet.

There will never be a charge sheet for Mr P, since he has already granted himself amnesty.

Just in case.....................

Just for interest I would like to see a printed record of hours of work (daily/weekly/monthly over 3 years)

as against Prayuths 8 months in charge.

To my thinking he has put in more work hours in 8 months than her 3 years.

He has communicated with the public 1,000 more times than her. A bonus he isn't missing from the country every week on some excuse for opting out of meetings and interviews.

Oh I am sure the block newbies will find a way around my post, sure not to comment on the items I posted.

I think you are confusing quality with quantity....................

[Bakseeda]

I think Yingluck has become a bit of a side show these days.

People seem more interested in how much damage the new 'PM' is capable of inflicting on the country ??

Shame he will never be subject to the same courts as Yingluck

Why is it a shame Carlos..... in reality this government and Prayuth are doing a swell job in a very difficult time for Thailand... if you are Farang and living here be happy that this junta have not chucked all us Farangs our on our asses... especially all the Red apologists amongst us.... Lets hope they continue this purge against all that is Bad in Thailand... and one final thought Carlos... Who would you replace Prayuth with..? and why.... And if you don't like it here... There's the door...

[ginjag]

For what can I ask. For graft-busting, taking National park land back, making improvements in all areas and setting the conditions so that proper 'free and fair' elections can be held in 2016!!

I would like to see his charge sheet.

There will never be a charge sheet for Mr P, since he has already granted himself amnesty.

Just in case.....................

Just for interest I would like to see a printed record of hours of work (daily/weekly/monthly over 3 years)

as against Prayuths 8 months in charge.

To my thinking he has put in more work hours in 8 months than her 3 years.

He has communicated with the public 1,000 more times than her. A bonus he isn't missing from the country every week on some excuse for opting out of meetings and interviews.

Oh I am sure the block newbies will find a way around my post, sure not to comment on the items I posted.

I think you are confusing quality with quantity....................

Sure confirms your complete denial..............I put the truth, it is that outstanding, tell me your version of work input over 3 years Yingluck put in. ???....................challenge for you minority Prayuth bashers.

[billd766]

I think Yingluck has become a bit of a side show these days.

People seem more interested in how much damage the new 'PM' is capable of inflicting on the country ??

Shame he will never be subject to the same courts as Yingluck

For what can I ask. For graft-busting, taking National park land back, making improvements in all areas and setting the conditions so that proper 'free and fair' elections can be held in 2016!!

I would like to see his charge sheet.

There will never be a charge sheet for Mr P, since he has already granted himself amnesty.

Just in case.....................

Isn't that what Thakin tried to do which set this whole thing in motion. HE wanted an amnesty for himself and for everybody from 2005 until 2013 including at least 25,000 corruption cases. In his magnanimous way he even included Abhisit and Suthep.

[rubl]

In the name of reconciliation let's make a deal!!

The day that Sondhi Limthongkul (remember the PAD guy) starts to serve his 20 year sentence is the day Yingluck is going to jail!!

Sounds fair??

Not really. Why let Sondhi wait? With his final appeal having been submitted around Augst last year (with him even being jailed a week or so), it's more likely his case will be finalised before Ms. Yingluck's case really gets going much.

[Bignose]

Indeed all those who would engage in politics in the future should be shown that their actions or inactions are accountable to the law and not just to the people at the ballot box.

In any other occupation or business employee accountability is there, why should politicians be any different ? After all in spite of the high regard they hold themselves in they are employees of the people and the country.

In fact they should be held to even higher standards as they are, or should be, roll models to be looked up to and respected.

Respect should be earned by good deeds and not by fear, threats, intimidation or the granting of favors.

An excellent post that summarizes part of the fundamental problem, corruption at the highest level is totally unacceptable and should be dealt with through the courts, with no exceptions.

The point has been made several times that YS was not aware of what was happening, that she cannot be held responsible for the dishonesty of others, how was she to know that people would carry out corrupt practices?

Where did these guilty people come from? When she picked them to serve in her cabinet did she not know them? Was she not familiar with their personal and business history?

Nothing but spin, rhetoric and more spin from her legal team and supporters! Every one of those appointed were well known to the PM, that was why they were picked! Every one of them was part of the loyal and quoted band of cronies or family.

Nothing with the previous government happened by chance, it was conceived, well planned and executed by a cynical bunch of thieves who cared not for the people who elected them (and before you comment on that last line the people involved pocketed hundreds of billions of Thai Baht, they will be more than happy with their efforts)

The past PM was well advised and supported, she covered her tracks well with there being (I'm sure) very little in the way of hard evidence of her complicity. Like her brother there were more than enough underlings willing to put their head on the block as buffers to protect those at the very top, of course they were willing as they were being very well rewarded.

The charges against the former PM should be vigorously prosecuted, she deserves nothing less...

[EnglishJohn]

With the power to override the judiciary process, the PM can dispense with any trials and incarcerate her immediately. That would please one set of people.

Or, he could give her an immediate immunity from prosecution for any past deeds, which would please another set of people.

Which he will not. He will insist she gets a fair trial.

What is so difficult for people to understand ?. Prayuth is not another Pheu-Thai low-life. He has integrity : a word which is foreign to many people on here.

[baboon]

Indeed all those who would engage in politics in the future should be shown that their actions or inactions are accountable to the law and not just to the people at the ballot box.

In any other occupation or business employee accountability is there, why should politicians be any different ? After all in spite of the high regard they hold themselves in they are employees of the people and the country.

In fact they should be held to even higher standards as they are, or should be, roll models to be looked up to and respected.

Respect should be earned by good deeds and not by fear, threats, intimidation or the granting of favors.

I would tend to agree with a good deal of your points. However your argument breaks down in the event of someone entering politics via a coup and using the law as his/her political tool, such as granting themselves and their cohorts amnesty and/or immunity from prosecution.

[ginjag]

Indeed all those who would engage in politics in the future should be shown that their actions or inactions are accountable to the law and not just to the people at the ballot box.

In any other occupation or business employee accountability is there, why should politicians be any different ? After all in spite of the high regard they hold themselves in they are employees of the people and the country.

In fact they should be held to even higher standards as they are, or should be, roll models to be looked up to and respected.

Respect should be earned by good deeds and not by fear, threats, intimidation or the granting of favors.

I would tend to agree with a good deal of your points. However your argument breaks down in the event of someone entering politics via a coup and using the law as his/her political tool, such as granting themselves and their cohorts amnesty and/or immunity from prosecution.

Not as clear cut as Thaksins amnAsty, to clear himself, Not forgetting this led to the PTP being exposed for what it was, along with the Shin style of democracy.

[Brit_Doggie]

Sadly the last executioner is no more.as the old adage goes let the punishment fit the crime.you ripped off the people now we rip you apart with bullets.

[baboon]

Indeed all those who would engage in politics in the future should be shown that their actions or inactions are accountable to the law and not just to the people at the ballot box.

In any other occupation or business employee accountability is there, why should politicians be any different ? After all in spite of the high regard they hold themselves in they are employees of the people and the country.

In fact they should be held to even higher standards as they are, or should be, roll models to be looked up to and respected.

Respect should be earned by good deeds and not by fear, threats, intimidation or the granting of favors.

I would tend to agree with a good deal of your points. However your argument breaks down in the event of someone entering politics via a coup and using the law as his/her political tool, such as granting themselves and their cohorts amnesty and/or immunity from prosecution.

Not as clear cut as Thaksins amnAsty, to clear himself, Not forgetting this led to the PTP being exposed for what it was, along with the Shin style of democracy.

This is where we diverge: You support the tried and tested coup method in order to deal with the matter, I would prefer the public being given enough time and information to see they are/were being led down a bad road and to make their voices noisily and angrily heard at the ballot box. You can't just have the army just barging in vituperatively every time the course of politics is not to their liking - it won't benefit anyone in the long run.

Would seeing the Shinawatras slung out like a dog in the night by the voting public not have been sweeter for you? It could well have happened if enough time was given.

[Skywalker69]

I think Yingluck has become a bit of a side show these days.

People seem more interested in how much damage the new 'PM' is capable of inflicting on the country ??

Shame he will never be subject to the same courts as Yingluck

For what can I ask. For graft-busting, taking National park land back, making improvements in all areas and setting the conditions so that proper 'free and fair' elections can be held in 2016!!

I would like to see his charge sheet.

There will never be a charge sheet for Mr P, since he has already granted himself amnesty.

Just in case.....................

Just for interest I would like to see a printed record of hours of work (daily/weekly/monthly over 3 years)

as against Prayuths 8 months in charge.

To my thinking he has put in more work hours in 8 months than her 3 years.

He has communicated with the public 1,000 more times than her. A bonus he isn't missing from the country every week on some excuse for opting out of meetings and interviews.

Oh I am sure the block newbies will find a way around my post, sure not to comment on the items I posted.

But Yingluck beats Prayuth in hours spent in an aircraft.

[trogers]

I think Yingluck has become a bit of a side show these days.

People seem more interested in how much damage the new 'PM' is capable of inflicting on the country ??

Shame he will never be subject to the same courts as Yingluck

For what can I ask. For graft-busting, taking National park land back, making improvements in all areas and setting the conditions so that proper 'free and fair' elections can be held in 2016!!

I would like to see his charge sheet.

There will never be a charge sheet for Mr P, since he has already granted himself amnesty.

Just in case.....................

Just for interest I would like to see a printed record of hours of work (daily/weekly/monthly over 3 years)

as against Prayuths 8 months in charge.

To my thinking he has put in more work hours in 8 months than her 3 years.

He has communicated with the public 1,000 more times than her. A bonus he isn't missing from the country every week on some excuse for opting out of meetings and interviews.

Oh I am sure the block newbies will find a way around my post, sure not to comment on the items I posted.

But Yingluck beats Prayuth in hours spent in an aircraft.

And in shopping malls?

[elgordo38]

Indeed all those who would engage in politics in the future should be shown that their actions or inactions are accountable to the law and not just to the people at the ballot box.

In any other occupation or business employee accountability is there, why should politicians be any different ? After all in spite of the high regard they hold themselves in they are employees of the people and the country.

In fact they should be held to even higher standards as they are, or should be, roll models to be looked up to and respected.

Respect should be earned by good deeds and not by fear, threats, intimidation or the granting of favors.

Who will be held accountable and for what? Its seems anyone dabbling in politics in the future better be looking over their shoulder the performance police could be standing there.

[Baerboxer]

Let's see...unprecedented political persecution of your opposition's leader after you have stolen power from them by force. Yeah, great move, very conciliatory!

Just let her, her brother and the rest of their family off then eh? Give them all blanket amnesty, whitewash all past transgressions and give immunity from any new ones discovered.

They are a crooks - not suggesting they're on their own, but never the less crooks. They went too far, wanted all for themselves. Now they should face the consequences.

Nothing to do about "politically motivated" - they are crooks being hounded by more powerful gangs.

[yimlitnoy]

Let's see...unprecedented political persecution of your opposition's leader after you have stolen power from them by force. Yeah, great move, very conciliatory!

You would have prefered a civil war and more killing of innocent children?

[Bluespunk]

"Is taking yingluck to court the way to go?"

Yes.

[halloween]

Indeed all those who would engage in politics in the future should be shown that their actions or inactions are accountable to the law and not just to the people at the ballot box.

In any other occupation or business employee accountability is there, why should politicians be any different ? After all in spite of the high regard they hold themselves in they are employees of the people and the country.

In fact they should be held to even higher standards as they are, or should be, roll models to be looked up to and respected.

Respect should be earned by good deeds and not by fear, threats, intimidation or the granting of favors.

I would tend to agree with a good deal of your points. However your argument breaks down in the event of someone entering politics via a coup and using the law as his/her political tool, such as granting themselves and their cohorts amnesty and/or immunity from prosecution.

But a coup is an inherently illegal act, whether it is a good or bad idea, necessary or not, and requires an amnesty.

OTOH an elected politician has no such necessity, they only seek an amnesty because they recognise that they have knowingly committed crimes and want to profit from them without cost. Now they whine because they are being prosecuted.

[Ricardo]

Yingluck is surely entitled to have her day in court, with the opportunity to clear her name, just like everyone else ?

[Daniel Ingalls]

Find her guilty, but behind doors give her an ultimatum, go to jail for five years, or give the whereabouts of your brother. Send special Thai forces in a helicopter to snatch him up and bring him to justice in Thailand. If she fails to cooperate, she goes to jail. gives false info of his whereabouts, off to jail she goes. This is justice. She has the choice of her punishment.

[halloween]

Find her guilty, but behind doors give her an ultimatum, go to jail for five years, or give the whereabouts of your brother. Send special Thai forces in a helicopter to snatch him up and bring him to justice in Thailand. If she fails to cooperate, she goes to jail. gives false info of his whereabouts, off to jail she goes. This is justice. She has the choice of her punishment.

Who, besides you it seems, doesn't know of Thaksin's whereabouts? Is this a "don't throw me in the briar patch" argument?

[hawker9000]

Indeed all those who would engage in politics in the future should be shown that their actions or inactions are accountable to the law and not just to the people at the ballot box.

In any other occupation or business employee accountability is there, why should politicians be any different ? After all in spite of the high regard they hold themselves in they are employees of the people and the country.

In fact they should be held to even higher standards as they are, or should be, roll models to be looked up to and respected.

Respect should be earned by good deeds and not by fear, threats, intimidation or the granting of favors.

I would tend to agree with a good deal of your points. However your argument breaks down in the event of someone entering politics via a coup and using the law as his/her political tool, such as granting themselves and their cohorts amnesty and/or immunity from prosecution.

Not as clear cut as Thaksins amnAsty, to clear himself, Not forgetting this led to the PTP being exposed for what it was, along with the Shin style of democracy.

This is where we diverge: You support the tried and tested coup method in order to deal with the matter, I would prefer the public being given enough time and information to see they are/were being led down a bad road and to make their voices noisily and angrily heard at the ballot box. You can't just have the army just barging in vituperatively every time the course of politics is not to their liking - it won't benefit anyone in the long run.

Would seeing the Shinawatras slung out like a dog in the night by the voting public not have been sweeter for you? It could well have happened if enough time was given.

That's the question then isn't it? How MUCH time??

What you're missing is that the wait for the "time and information [necessary] to see they are/were being led down a bad road" was resulting in some very unsettled circumstances, threatening public order and trending toward increasing violence and chaos. The army didn't charge in simply because the "course" wasn't to their liking, but because the social order had been irretrievably undermined by the abuse of power by the PTP. Your trying to characterize their timing as capricious and the action arbitrary is the same old tactic those opposed to the military stepping in have been using since the day the day it happened. It's tired. Please see if you can't find something else to whine about now.

Edited April 1, 2015 by hawker9000

[baboon]

Let's see...unprecedented political persecution of your opposition's leader after you have stolen power from them by force. Yeah, great move, very conciliatory!

You would have prefered a civil war and more killing of innocent children?

Like the one currently ongoing in the south?

[halloween]

Let's see...unprecedented political persecution of your opposition's leader after you have stolen power from them by force. Yeah, great move, very conciliatory!

You would have prefered a civil war and more killing of innocent children?

Like the one currently ongoing in the south?

Two would be better than one?

[billd766]

Indeed all those who would engage in politics in the future should be shown that their actions or inactions are accountable to the law and not just to the people at the ballot box.

In any other occupation or business employee accountability is there, why should politicians be any different ? After all in spite of the high regard they hold themselves in they are employees of the people and the country.

In fact they should be held to even higher standards as they are, or should be, roll models to be looked up to and respected.

Respect should be earned by good deeds and not by fear, threats, intimidation or the granting of favors.

I would tend to agree with a good deal of your points. However your argument breaks down in the event of someone entering politics via a coup and using the law as his/her political tool, such as granting themselves and their cohorts amnesty and/or immunity from prosecution.

What is the difference when a convicted criminal fugitive is running the country from abroad and DEMANDS that the cabinet that HE selected put forward and pass a bill granting HIMSELF, ALL his previous governments back to 2006 and up to 2013 plus at least 25,000 other people charged with corruption and giving amnesty to them all.

As a generous gesture he also "allowed" the amnesty to cover Abhisit and Suthep. So kind of him, don't you agree?

[EnglishJohn]

Let's see...unprecedented political persecution of your opposition's leader after you have stolen power from them by force. Yeah, great move, very conciliatory!

You would have prefered a civil war and more killing of innocent children?

Like the one currently ongoing in the south?

One of them is religious insurgents performing acts of terrorism against the Thai government.

One of them is the Thai government performing acts of terrorism against it's own people to hold on to power.

Can you really not see how different they are ?. What a awful attempt to belittle what that last bunch of cronies did to their country.