PM wants world to accept the new Thai charter

[NeverSure]

I raise my right hand and assure the public and the international community.

The draft charter is not in favour of any political party.

Trust us. We need public acceptance.

Maybe more like this?

Edited April 8, 2015 by NeverSure

[JOC]

>>"If they [international community] won't accept it [the new charter], they will claim that our country has no democracy, similar to what they think about Article 44 under the interim charter. We use it to benefit the country, but they accuse us of coercing [people on this]," Prayut said.<< Quote

Poor poor Mr P, the stupid world doesn't understand Thai democracy...............

[JOC]

Hell I'll take an honest Thai woman.

Seen the dodo bird lately??

[NanLaew]

PM Prayut seems to be getting some good work done as far as rooting out corruption(not replacing it as my THai wife says) which to me is much more welcome than the foolish situation of the so called democratic forces that stalled all economic activity in BKK for six months.Now if he would sort out the immigration Dept.and introduce some internationally compatible standards I would support him unequivocally(eg,a proper permanent resident status which falls in line with international standards,no work permit necessary and land ownership rights etc.)

What country are you proposing that he model his 'international standard' immigration reforms on? Your home country?

[NanLaew]

...it has been placed into the open and article 44 is there to be read by all people...

Sorry for skimming over your anti-US rhetoric but please post a reference to the bit I left behind.

[Chris Lawrence]

'That statement came after Prayut reportedly visited a famous astrologer, who said he should stay in power for three more years.'

So is this the astrologer's fault? Disturbing, that a political leader of a country will seek solace from a mystic?

But the new constitution carries a certain amount of xenophobia with its impartiality favouring a minority. Again disturbing.

"Sometimes people do not understand this matter clearly, they only understand that democracy is having an election and give full freedom and authority to the people, but no-one asks for the people's role.

"I want people to question their duties on how they can cooperate with the government," he added.

The above quotes seem to carry the General's aloofness, with the need to distance the public from the decisions of Government? I don't think the new regime will win too many over with their new direction.

[Bakseeda]

"The new charter must be accepted by the international community"

If they don't accept it and tow the Junta's line, what are you going to do. Prayuth can't treat the International community like he treats the suppressed Thais. The international community are still allowed to think, analyse and form thier own opinions. The compulsory brainwashing and propoganda doesn't work and never will on the free.

Seems to work pretty well in Australia Chooka.... And there is Nothing free in Thailand..! And as long as The International community are making money in Thailand, Prayth can do whatever he wants.. Its all about the money..! When you forget this, it's time to get back to Victoria..!

[Jimbolai]

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"...If they [international community] won't accept it [the new charter], they will claim that our country has no democracy, similar to what they think about Article 44 under the interim charter..."

...lives in a fantasy world...he really thinks all Thais are with him.

Article 44 is 100% anti-Democratic. I also see the Charter as shaping up to be skewed towards keeping the Bangkok elite in office and all others either can't or won't be able to compete.

Any change he will realize that the last election elected a PM? That PM must be restored, apologized to and reimbursed by the people that robbed the government at gun point. it would be the only way to restore democracy.

[Thaddeus]

True respect is earned, not demanded.

[Lupatria]

"The PM said the government would invite legal specialists from Germany and France…”

Regarding the article, there is a slight difference between - “PM wants world to accept...” and “THE NEW charter must be accepted by the international community.”

And why France and Germany?

France - Last coup d'état 1851: Louis-Napoléon Bonaparte, then president of France, dissolves the Assembly and becomes the sole ruler of the country.

Germany - March 1920: A failed right-wing coup against the Weimar Republic.

November 8, 1923: failed attempt by Nazi Party leader Adolf Hitler with Erich Ludendorff to seize power in Bavaria.

July 20, 1944: Members of the German resistance failed to assassinate Adolf Hitler and seize control.

For the PM's purpose the “legal specialist” teams of the below listed would fit much better:

Robert Mugabe (Zimbabwe), Jean-Claude Duvalier (Haiti), Isaac Zida (Burkina Faso), Michel Djotodia (Central African Republic), Abdel Fattah el-Sisi (Egypt). Just to name a few.

In case they are too busy or in hiding, there is an easy option: Ask Costas! He is available and must be a specialist as Greece has a tradition in this field with 18 mutinies, revolts, coup d'états and failed coup d'états between 1831 and 1973. Since 1932, Thailand has endured an astonishing 11 successful military coups, as well as seven attempted coups. That’s a match made in coup heaven.

[Commerce]

True respect is earned, not demanded.

Aristotle?

Speaking of Aristotle, I know what word he'd use for Prayuth, and a Chalerm-like clue; it doesn't begin with 'C' or 'E'....

[GerdT]

...it has been placed into the open and article 44 is there to be read by all people...

Sorry for skimming over your anti-US rhetoric but please post a reference to the bit I left behind.

When military law was abolished and replaced with the provisional constitution it was widely publicised despite you pretending not knowing anything about it. Perform a search on Google or ask the NCPO to supply you with a copy of it; no doubt you receive one.

It isn’t up to me to decide if I agree or disagree with it I only stated that I can inform myself about it if interested in it. My opinion is that it is up to the Thai people to decide if they want to keep article 44 or if they feel a re-write of it is necessary.

Coming to the anti-US rhetoric you referring to in my comment I only can point out that this is an observation I made and that civil liberties in the US are curtailed and the constitution is abused by the political leadership using secret courts, executive orders and other tools that the public hasn’t been made aware of.

For three centuries the US claimed that civil liberties needed to be protected to ensure national security. Now the equation has been reversed and telling the people that civil liberties need to be curtailed to ensure national security. A formula that will not work because it has failed in the past when tried by governments that took a similar outlook when deciding how to deal with the people they were supposed to govern.

[JAG]

PM Prayut seems to be getting some good work done as far as rooting out corruption(not replacing it as my THai wife says) which to me is much more welcome than the foolish situation of the so called democratic forces that stalled all economic activity in BKK for six months.Now if he would sort out the immigration Dept.and introduce some internationally compatible standards I would support him unequivocally(eg,a proper permanent resident status which falls in line with international standards,no work permit necessary and land ownership rights etc.)

Ah, your price for supporting a military junta!

You come cheap!

[h90]

Did USA, France, Russia, etc ask the world to accept their charter?

[Plutojames88]

And with that demand , so begins the death knell of Thailand's elites ....deluded with granduar all these centuries ....it comes down to one last desperate sentence that their whole existence (at the expense of the poor ) relies on.

Get the popcorn and stay tuned ......this is going to be so funny , historical , and sobering for them...

The international community are not children ...nor can you demand things that are not yours to demand from them.

It's the beginning of the end

Simple

[phycokiller]

Thais could learn a lot from French history, but it didnt go too well for the side that Prayut represents

[GerdT]

Did USA, France, Russia, etc ask the world to accept their charter?

Yes there is an exception to your rule and that applies to Germany if referring to your etc. The German constitution was drawn up under the supervision of the British, US and French military leaders that ruled the three military zones in the defeated Germany. (Exception was East Germany under Soviet rule)

Without the approval of the three occupying powers the constitution could have not come into force and funny enough it was only seen as a short term solution that didn’t require the approval of the German people in a plebiscite. The German constitution became the constitutions for all of Germany in 1990 after re-unification.

Here we have a constitution that has been written by a selected group of people and didn’t require all people to vote on; and as we can see when looking at the last 65 years it seems to have worked for the German people.

[Toscano]

Domestic acceptance of the New Constitution would surely be a prerequisite for international acceptance .

[GerdT]

Thais could learn a lot from French history, but it didnt go too well for the side that Prayut represents

You don’t seem to know a lot about French history and being happy to conclude that it ended after the French revolution.

The truth is that after Napoleons defeat the old order was re-installed which lead again to political unrest and in 1871 after the defeat of Napoleon III by the Prussian and German armies France turned from Monarchy to Republic. Still even at that time French history didn’t stop and had many ups and downs. But if you go to France today you still will find members of the old aristocratic families involved in politics and public life.

[Commerce]

Domestic acceptance of the New Constitution would surely be a prerequisite for international acceptance .

If, and only if, domestic acceptance were to involve freedom of choice, which it clearly does not.

[ldiablo]

The Pm would ask specialists from Germany and France about how they manage after a coup. Lets see, the last coup in France was in 1958 and the closest thing to a coup in Germany was the assassination attempt of Adolf Hitler. Thailand has more experience than any other country when it comes to coups so maybe they need to ask themselves how they manage.

[Suffinator]

After the Cabinet meeting yesterday at Government House, Prayut said he was not worried about domestic acceptance of the new constitution, but then asked what if the international community rejects it.

No because the population wasn't and isn't being given a choice. I would be amazed if the international community didn't reject it because there is nothing democratic about it.

"If they [international community] won't accept it [the new charter], they will claim that our country has no democracy, similar to what they think about Article 44 under the interim charter. We use it to benefit the country, but they accuse us of coercing [people on this]," Prayut said.

They won't need to claim the country has no democracy because it's a known fact that it doesn't and never can under a ruling Junta that invokes articles that restricts or eradicates even the most basic of human rights. I think the PM should look up the word coercion and discover its true meaning; often it can be attributed with 'force'.

"The NCPO has solved less than 30 per cent of the problems facing the country. We need the public to know how we can move forward and end divisions. We need public acceptance. That is why we need to look how foreign countries tackle their problems,'' Prayut said.

It's not that difficult and meetings don't need to be held with foreign diplomats as they have already expressed their concerns. What the Thais often fail to recognize is that 'democracy' is a painful process and never will everyone agree on the political entity running the country but democracy is about 'majority' consensus and unless you can abide by that principle then democracy can never be achieved. It is simply fruitless attempting to protect a certain section or institution; you must, if you truly want democracy, allow the people to decide ... whether you agree with it or not.

"I want people to ask how they could cooperate, but no one asks such questions. They only ask when there will be an election," the PM said.

Yes they only ask when there will be an election because such is the only way to democratically elect a government they want to be governed by. If the PM wants the public to co-operate then hold a general election and they will co-operate by voting.

Nonetheless, General Prayut put the question back to the public, saying there have been calls for an election as soon as possible but one must ask: "Does Thailand today need reforming? If not and you request an election to be held now - just tell me so I can take a rest."

Has the PM not been listening? That's exactly what the public want but once again it's back to the fears of the ruling elite that the public won't be voting the way they want. Right now the people are fearful of asking and who can blame them with Article 44 looming over their heads.

Sometimes people do not understand this matter clearly, they only understand that democracy is having an election and give full freedom and authority to the people, but no-one asks for the people's role. "I want people to question their duties on how they can cooperate with the government," he added.

That's not the way it should be ... the people don't work for the government in a democracy the government work for the people. The job, the only job, of the electorate is to vote in those they wish to see government and then through democracy insist they follow the manifesto.

The PM was also asked whether the government is considering holding a referendum on the new charter, but Prayut now was not the time to consider that issue.

Is that democratic?

Regardless of which country you live in democracy is always attainable but only when the power has been handed over to the public to decide without coercion or force and more importantly without the threat of a few being able to stage a coup simply because they disagree with policies enacted.

Thailand may well achieve democracy but I fear not in my lifetime.

[tonypace02]

It seems to me that the last successful coup in Germany occurred in 1933 where the coup leader gained complete political and military control of the country and the edict giving the leader control comparable to Article 44 was called Gesetz zur Behebung der Not von Volk und Reich or Enabling Act. It seems that the PM has already found some guidance from how Germany handled post coup government.

[T_Dog]

PM Prayut seems to be getting some good work done as far as rooting out corruption(not replacing it as my THai wife says) which to me is much more welcome than the foolish situation of the so called democratic forces that stalled all economic activity in BKK for six months.Now if he would sort out the immigration Dept.and introduce some internationally compatible standards I would support him unequivocally(eg,a proper permanent resident status which falls in line with international standards,no work permit necessary and land ownership rights etc.)

You might want to listen more to what your wife says. The coup was nothing more than a change of color as to how the corruption dollars flow.

http://thediplomat.com/2014/10/thai-junta-beset-by-corruption-scandals/

[Jai Dee]

Another post referring to a dictatorship has been removed from this thread.

[matman]

'Must be accepted'

and presumably those world leaders that don't comply will be invited to Thailand for 'Attitude adjustment'

Sorry Luckylew didn't see your post before sending mine

Edited April 8, 2015 by matman

[jamesjohnsonthird]

The Pm would ask specialists from Germany and France about how they manage after a coup. Lets see, the last coup in France was in 1958 and the closest thing to a coup in Germany was the assassination attempt of Adolf Hitler. Thailand has more experience than any other country when it comes to coups so maybe they need to ask themselves how they manage.

It just might be time to get some outside help?

Outsource this project.

That exMayor from Bogota knows how to kick same ass and take names.

Call him.

[Tonawatchee]

You want the world to really take you seriously? Man up and have a fireside radio chat of how your dopey interpetation of lese majeste should fit into a new democratic soceity. You'll have the world's attention.

[diehard60]

When was the last time Germany or France had a coup????? I can't remember.

[h90]

Did USA, France, Russia, etc ask the world to accept their charter?

Yes there is an exception to your rule and that applies to Germany if referring to your etc. The German constitution was drawn up under the supervision of the British, US and French military leaders that ruled the three military zones in the defeated Germany. (Exception was East Germany under Soviet rule)

Without the approval of the three occupying powers the constitution could have not come into force and funny enough it was only seen as a short term solution that didn’t require the approval of the German people in a plebiscite. The German constitution became the constitutions for all of Germany in 1990 after re-unification.

Here we have a constitution that has been written by a selected group of people and didn’t require all people to vote on; and as we can see when looking at the last 65 years it seems to have worked for the German people.

Well after loosing the war you need the approval from these who won. So Austria and Germany, maybe also Japan.

But there were lots of changes afterwards in Austria (and most probably in Germany) which no one outside got asked for.