Follow up to Fences and Boundaries.

[Vogele123]

Ok, following on from our disputed land boundary issue. The Land Office is coming out to survey the chanotes and the proposed fence.

We received a registered letter from the land office stating this and the day they will arrive.

Does anyone know what the situation would be if the registered "owner" of the land is not present? i.e. he is a minor and will be sitting exams at school.

Can we agree as his parents or will we need his signature? (The registered letters were addressed to him but the land registry do not know that he is a child)

What is the situation if the registered owner doesn't show? Bit of a dilemma as he really needs to sit these exams, and we were not given any choice for the date of the visit.

Cheers.

[CharlieH]

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[NeverSure]

I don't know the legality, but could your wife call and try to get another time and date with the land office?

[offset]

The land office must know he is a child because they need to know that the land cannot be sold without a court order

I think that one of his parents will be able to sign on his behalf

[Thongkorn]

The land office must know he is a child because they need to know that the land cannot be sold without a court order

I think that one of his parents will be able to sign on his behalf

We bought our Land without a Court order. Just went to the Amphur with the seller , they paid the transfer fees,

Put Our name on the chanut and then we paid the money over. After checking that no Money or loans had been

secured on the land. If His name is on the chanut he must have signed it.

Edited June 9, 2015 by Thongkorn

[offset]

The land office must know he is a child because they need to know that the land cannot be sold without a court order

I think that one of his parents will be able to sign on his behalf

We bought our Land without a Court order. Just went to the Amphur with the seller , they paid the transfer fees,

Put Our name on the chanut and then we paid the money over. After checking that no Money or loans had been

secured on the land. If His name is on the chanut he must have signed it.

Are you saying that you brought land from a child under 20 yrs old if so that should not of happened without a court order from the Children's Court

Yes my child signed but had to use a thumb print because he was only 3 yrs old

[Daffy D]

Our land/house is in the children's name so have some experience with this.

You cannot make ANY changes to the land or use off without a court order.

Have you had the land surveyed before the papers were transferred to your child's name? If so this survey should find all the markers with the correct numbers in the right place, except for the ones your neighbor moved.

If they cannot find all the markers and have to place new ones with new numbers this will mean a change on the land paper and a court will have to approve it.

If your neighbor changed the number on the marker or "lost" the marker the land office will have to issue new markers with new numbers and a court will have to approve it.

As the owner of the land your child will have to be present at the survey. Depending on the age of the child, wife says 18 or over, the child is old enough to understand what is going on and can sign the necessary papers.

Young children who cannot write properly can use thumb print and the Thai mother can sigh on their behalf.

As in all things here different offices have different levels of interpreting the regulations so one person may have an easy ride while another in a different district will be given a hard time.

Best is to contact the land office before the survey date and explain the situation about school exams and see what they say.

Good luck and be sure to secure the new markers before they get moved again

[Vogele123]

Cheers for the replies.

Here is how it goes.

If you put the land in your kids name (Under 20) they address the notification to the named child, however, it appears that the child is neither needed or required to be present to sign the papers, it falls down to the mother of the Thai child, the father (Farang has no say in it whatsoever)

I would say though, that that the guys from the land office spoke very good English and made sure 150% that I agreed that the line they drew was straight, even though I was not requested to sign, my wife had to do that. (Out of some sort of courtesy, they asked me to agree that the line was straight and asked me to check the papers and sign my name - but never gave me a pen - they just gave it to my wife - face saved, everyone happy - I cannot complain, they were fair, which is all I asked for, I don't want an inch of his land and I don't want him taking an inch of my son's land.

So, all is rosy, the guy ballsed up on his measurements at the top of our land, which was the point I disputed, however it was only 60cm rather than 2.6m. and we ballsed up on our measurements at the bottom end by over 2 metres.

All is well that ends well!

Thanks for all the advice.

Edited June 10, 2015 by Vogele123

[Vogele123]

Our land/house is in the children's name so have some experience with this.

You cannot make ANY changes to the land or use off without a court order.

Have you had the land surveyed before the papers were transferred to your child's name? If so this survey should find all the markers with the correct numbers in the right place, except for the ones your neighbor moved.

If they cannot find all the markers and have to place new ones with new numbers this will mean a change on the land paper and a court will have to approve it.

If your neighbor changed the number on the marker or "lost" the marker the land office will have to issue new markers with new numbers and a court will have to approve it.

As the owner of the land your child will have to be present at the survey. Depending on the age of the child, wife says 18 or over, the child is old enough to understand what is going on and can sign the necessary papers.

Young children who cannot write properly can use thumb print and the Thai mother can sigh on their behalf.

As in all things here different offices have different levels of interpreting the regulations so one person may have an easy ride while another in a different district will be given a hard time.

Best is to contact the land office before the survey date and explain the situation about school exams and see what they say.

Good luck and be sure to secure the new markers before they get moved again

I had no dispute about the actual borders. There are 2 chanotes that mark out the boundaries. The problem is they are 200 metres apart and not visible by line of sight. The new owner comes along and sticks a concrete post in the land which I believe is ours, without any notice or even asking us, rips out one of my electric pole and throws it on the ground.

All I wanted was a straight line between the 2 chanotes. Today we finally got this. We were wrong and he was wrong. the electric poles were in our land, and the markers he made that I ripped out at the other end of the land were correct, so "MY BAD and HIS BAD!" All is smoothed over and everything looks to be sorted.

Cheers for your input.

Land is a hot issue where I am and they don't want to give an inch - neither would I!

[Daffy D]

Good you got it sorted

As you say land is a hot issue, did not used to be especially in the rural areas but even there they are beginning to realize every inch counts.