Seafood shortage looms in Thailand

[FritsSikkink]

this is what happens when West imposes it's destructive socialist regulations to the East. Europe keeps destroying (by tough over-regulation) it's own industry and is now trying to do the same with Thailand.

normal people are forced to pay more. as always.

By necessity seafood will become a luxury item despite the old saying, there are not plenty more fish in the sea. Fish stocks are breaking down everywhere.

All of my life in Australia seafood was always a treat as the price has always been higher than meat.

There is no conspiracy here just the outcome of overfishing and over consumption of a finite commodity.

you can sell seafood for the price of gold in your homeland if you wish. because it's YOUR homeland. But Thailand is an independent nation and eventually will find a way to eat as much seafood as it wishes (and sell it to you for the price of gold, of course), notwithstanding of what you, foreigners, think of it. Like Japan still hunts on whales regardless of what American leftist college professors and NGOs are crying about.

this is what Smith called "an invisible hand of market".

The point is that Thailand want to sell to the lucrative European markets hence the request to NOT have slave labour on the boats etc. Thailand and it's fishing crews actually export more fish than it consumes. The regulations are for trawlers over 10 tons. Varying up to 60 ton. The regulations are Thai regulations that have NEVER been enforced properly. So stop bleating, unless you actually favour the use of slave labour!

It isn't about slave labour, it is about unregistered boats that are fishing with improper equipment (catching to many small creatures).

There are regulations for small boats too.

[jaywalker]

"... forced back to port due to a shortage of qualified skippers and mechanics under the tougher regulations"

This makes ZERO sense (as usual).

#1 - I can't believe they are enforcing the laws and.....

#2 - If the above were true then 75% of the Pattaya ferries would have been shut down eons ago.

[mmh8]

I have attended 5 or 6 wedding over the past year, have had the trad chinese with shark fin soup at 4 of them, the other meals were non chinese. I think tougher fishing rules are as effective as tougher road rules.

Would be good if that were the case though, there is no overfishing of tuna stated anywehre in Thailand, they do not give a shit.

[Baerboxer]

this is what happens when West imposes it's destructive socialist regulations to the East. Europe keeps destroying (by tough over-regulation) it's own industry and is now trying to do the same with Thailand.

normal people are forced to pay more. as always.

Exactly - what is wrong with a little bit of slavery if it means my fish and chips are slightly cheaper.

anyway it's none of the business of EU. but EU is forcing it's own businessmen by "extra-economic coercion" not to buy goods which they want to buy (and force there own citizen to pay more for seafood of course) in order to force an independent nation to obey EU socialist ideas. for EU regulators imposing there own point of view is more important then a welfare of there own citizen. what is more disgusting than a government acting against interests of there own electors?

Same as criminal charges against cheaper Ubertaxi in France...

Have you heard or read about any of the following: CSR, Sourcing with dignity, ethical buying, Human Rights, UN Charter, anti-Slavery, anti-human trafficking,

Guess not. Bring back colonialism and abolish workers rights, let businesses decide their own ethics and morals - yeah, that'll really work well.

[Orac]

"... forced back to port due to a shortage of qualified skippers and mechanics under the tougher regulations"

This makes ZERO sense (as usual).

#1 - I can't believe they are enforcing the laws and.....

#2 - If the above were true then 75% of the Pattaya ferries would have been shut down eons ago.

The problem is a lot of the skippers and mechanics are not Thai which is requirement of the law and, as such, cannot get officially qualified.

[slapout]

i watched the influx of outsiders get into the shrimping business (mostly asian) using their poaching skills learned at home. they followed none of the rules followed by locals for generations which fed the local and left enough for cash income. it has taken less than 15 year to ruin a livelyhood for 1000's of families

the big difference is the local worked all year long, shrimp, sea trout, crab, alligator, oyster, etc where as the asians wanted a 1 tim,e big pay day and then set on their butt the rest of the year instead of considering conservation, future generations.greed and being work brittle has hurt an immense part of the worlds population.

''a mans work is dusk to dawn while a womans work is never done'' too many men are content to live off the women efforts and then plunder/steal for things desires but with no effort to earn them

[Thai at Heart]

At least the Government is trying to resolve the problem. It is clear that the industry is trying to pressure the government to relax the rules

I say know If I eat a little less Sea Bass that is ok with me. I am for a regulated boat industry Capitalizm will prevail

They will go back to fishing soon YOu will see

Cutting ones nose of to spite ones face is hardly a solution. This is such a bizarre plan to hold their CUSTOMERS to ransom it shows a very bizarre concept of business...

[Thai at Heart]

"... forced back to port due to a shortage of qualified skippers and mechanics under the tougher regulations"

This makes ZERO sense (as usual).

#1 - I can't believe they are enforcing the laws and.....

#2 - If the above were true then 75% of the Pattaya ferries would have been shut down eons ago.

The problem is a lot of the skippers and mechanics are not Thai which is requirement of the law and, as such, cannot get officially qualified.

So the entire industry was built illegally. Whoopee

[Thai at Heart]

this is what happens when West imposes it's destructive socialist regulations to the East. Europe keeps destroying (by tough over-regulation) it's own industry and is now trying to do the same with Thailand.

normal people are forced to pay more. as always.

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[Doc46]

So now because of Europe THAI fisherman are to go Legal,,,That's a load of Bullshit ,,,they should have been doing things legal since day dot,,,BUT it's that infectious disease GREED that has people doing it illegal,,,,Don't want to pay tax Don't want to Register the boat, They don't want to comply with regulations /That's not Thainess ,,Cowboy's Not skippers driving boats /Backyard fixers ,and it goes on & on!

[Thai at Heart]

This is precisely why there should be permitted entry for foreigners/western companies into markets like this. They would have been in compliance all the time and the vast majority of the fleet would have improved through the market mechanism. Leave the market completely unregulated and in the hand of locals and look what occurs

[oneday]

Yep, sounds like the fishing industry or many of the boats are trying to hide what these laws are meant to uncover.

[The Deerhunter]

At least the Government is trying to resolve the problem. It is clear that the industry is trying to pressure the government to relax the rules

I say know If I eat a little less Sea Bass that is ok with me. I am for a regulated boat industry Capitalizm will prevail

They will go back to fishing soon YOu will see

Cutting ones nose of to spite ones face is hardly a solution. This is such a bizarre plan to hold their CUSTOMERS to ransom it shows a very bizarre concept of business...

TIT. Less tourists so raise prices to compensate. The same inscrutable Asian logic at work. But not being Thai, we will never understand.

[sabaii69]

Don't worry about the seafood honey, I'm bringing home the crabs

[Thai at Heart]

At least the Government is trying to resolve the problem. It is clear that the industry is trying to pressure the government to relax the rules

I say know If I eat a little less Sea Bass that is ok with me. I am for a regulated boat industry Capitalizm will prevail

They will go back to fishing soon YOu will see

Cutting ones nose of to spite ones face is hardly a solution. This is such a bizarre plan to hold their CUSTOMERS to ransom it shows a very bizarre concept of business...

TIT. Less tourists so raise prices to compensate. The same inscrutable Asian logic at work. But not being Thai, we will never understand.

Well the local Asian supermarket in UK is stacked full of Bangladeshi frozen seafood, so these idiots will reap the whirlwind when their market disappears. Its a competitive market out there and they must comply.

No one ever bought this nonsense about Thai food being superior. How there has never been a Thai expose on the practices in Thailand to show the Thai people what goes on is half the problem. If the domestic market had forced change none of this would have ever happened. Ostriches. The lot of them

[Jonmarleesco]

'"If the government continues its strict enforcement of fishery regulations, without allowing trawler owners more time to prepare ...' Six months isn't enough time? I know Thai time isn't GMT, nor any recognisable format, but no matter how you toss the coin, six months is adequate.

'He (Mongkol) clarified that the fisheries industry was not halting its activities to show its opposition to the governmental regulations ...' Probably not. It's doing so because it foolishly assumes a non-elected government will follow the same predictable about-face as most 'elected' ones.

Edited July 3, 2015 by Jonmarleesco

[nithisa78]

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[casualbiker]

Holacracy is a new way of running an organization that removes power from a management hierarchy and distributes it across clear roles, which can then be executed autonomously, without a micromanaging boss. The work is actually

more

structured than in a conventional company, just differently so. With Holacracy, there is a clear set of rules and processes for how a team breaks up its work, and defines its roles with clear responsibilities and expectations.

And?

[Bluespunk]

Holacracy is a new way of running an organization that removes power from a management hierarchy and distributes it across clear roles, which can then be executed autonomously, without a micromanaging boss. The work is actually

more

structured than in a conventional company, just differently so. With Holacracy, there is a clear set of rules and processes for how a team breaks up its work, and defines its roles with clear responsibilities and expectations.

And?

I'd have gone with

What?

But "And" also expresses my confusion.

[casualbiker]

Holacracy is a new way of running an organization that removes power from a management hierarchy and distributes it across clear roles, which can then be executed autonomously, without a micromanaging boss. The work is actually

more

structured than in a conventional company, just differently so. With Holacracy, there is a clear set of rules and processes for how a team breaks up its work, and defines its roles with clear responsibilities and expectations.

And?

I'd have gone with

What?

But "And" also expresses my confusion.

And what?

Sorted 5555

[Thaidream]

Every time the government- any government gets involved in private industry- two things happen- the cost to the consumer goes up and the government gets bigger. While there must be a certain amount of regulation to protect people's health- the less the better. The last government in Thailand interfered in the rice industry with disastrous results.

[casualbiker]

Every time the government- any government gets involved in private industry- two things happen- the cost to the consumer goes up and the government gets bigger. While there must be a certain amount of regulation to protect people's health- the less the better. The last government in Thailand interfered in the rice industry with disastrous results.

The current government are only doing what's required to ensure the ongoing viability of Thailands fishing industry!

[konying]

One of the biggest seafood suppliers in the world now faces shortages. That's a good laugh sad to say

[Thai at Heart]

Every time the government- any government gets involved in private industry- two things happen- the cost to the consumer goes up and the government gets bigger. While there must be a certain amount of regulation to protect people's health- the less the better. The last government in Thailand interfered in the rice industry with disastrous results.

Is this like when the western govts removed regulation the led up to the 2008 crisis?

[Jay Sata]

So it appears Thailand can only get enough fish to sell locally and on the world markets if it is taken by slave crews and uncontrolled fishing in neighbouring waters.

The EU are not going to be buying Thai fish if they continue with the old model so where will they sell?

As others have said scare tactics to bully the government in to concedeing defeat.

This is similar to the rip off taxi and jetski mafia in Phuket.

[chickenslegs]

Give a man a fish and he will eat for one day.

Teach a man to fish and he will eat for a lifetime.

Teach a man to create an artificial shortage of fish and he will eat lobster.

(Not entirely my own work)

[h90]

One of the biggest seafood suppliers in the world now faces shortages. That's a good laugh sad to say

Spoke with a customs officer from the south.....huge amounts of seafood are imported from Philippines, Malaysia, Indonesia, etc etc because there isn't much to catch in Thai waters anymore.

Still they take out a lot and there is a lot farming but it is by far not as much as it was some decades before.

[connda]

Couldn't have anything to do with overfishing and depleting a rather delicate ecosystem. Pigs are still plentiful, or go vegan. Lol

[gemguy]

The bitter reality of depleting resources.

Oh well...I can live without seafood .....but many seafood lovers and consumers of seafood will be somewhat traumatized if they can not have their seafood...or their share of seafood they believe they are entitled to.

And.....of course, they will blame others...but never themselves........ for the part they played in the depletion of the seafood resources

Cheers

[cookee68]

about time, even the BOT did not adjust their GDP because they did not think that the government would stick to what they said they would do, better than being banned from exporting products around the world, all boats should be legal full stop