Koh Tao: Trial opens for 2 accused of killing British tourists

[smedly]

I want to see the cctv footage of the accused leaving the scene on their motorbike as claimed by the police in court

[Linky]

AleG, if you think the investigation should terminate once scapegoats suspects are put in prison with not bail, then we don't agree. I think the investigation should be on-going. In countries like the US, France and UK, where investigative sciences are miles ahead of Thailand's, investigators sometimes even dust-off crime files that are years old, in order to see whether all avenues were investigated thoroughly, and whether the right people are incarcerated. Granted, it couldn't happen in Thailand, but there's hope that Thai investigators will learn how to do their jobs in at least a semi-professional capacity - .....in the future perhaps?

Police generally don't re-investigate crimes to find new suspects when they already believe they have all the right suspects in custody unless some very compelling evidence comes along. Doing so could in fact be used against them in court. If they are still investigating other people then clearly they are not confident that who they have charges is responsible. Even in the OJ Case, he was found not guilty but the police have not and will not actively search for another killer unless there was very credible evidence to follow-up on. The job in this instance of police it to solve a crime and once they believe they have, regardless of public opinion or if the person gets off, they are generally done and not going to waste resources and time going through motions especially because of nonsense and insignificant online conspiracy theories which in this case the police did waste time and resources initially considering.

Again utter rubbish from you.

Good police do investigate and it is rare for that to be used in court against them because the officer simply states in evidence that it is his job to investigate if any further suspects should be considered and indeed would be negligent in his duties as would indicate he has a closed mind on a persons guilt.

But you are correct on one thing. When the police believe they have the right suspects. Yes the RTP believes they have the right suspects because they refused to consider other leads and options. Doing that is why they are incompetent.

It matters not who the police think did it, their job is to collect all evidence and charge who the evidence points to. But if you dont investigate leads then obviously you will not find further evidence.

Simply put, their reasoning is that they will not investigate leads therefore it can be no one else. Thai logic 101.

[thailandchilli]

Here's a case much closer to home:

What happened when the RTP gave the case file to the prosecutors for the first time? They gave it back and said now now boys go and get some more evidence.

What happened when the RTP gave the case file to the prosecutors for the second time? They returned it again saying we need even more!

What happened when the RTP submitted the file again! Nope still not good enough, go get some evidence.

Only on the 4th occasion did the prosecutors accept the case to take the B2 to court.

So one would presume to get all this extra evidence needed then it was not just to the local Tesco's with the shopping trolley but they actually needed to carry on investigating.

Says something when the prosecutor has the DNA evidence submitted by the RTP and says thats not enough.

To add to that, on the preliminary hearing at court back in Dec the defense put in for bail, the prosecutors did not oppose the application! It was the judge who decided they were a flight risk.

Anyway looks like all the padded evidence they put in the reports was crap judging by the case so far.

Although it is true according to Media Reports that the Prosecution asked the RTP to take back this "Case File" at least a couple of times I know of, it then quickly turns to "Your Opinion" as to why they did. You claim he was looking for more evidence where I tend to differ than you on that.

The reasons being that at this point of the investigation it was already known by the Media what they had for evidence (i.e DNA Sperm and Cigarette Sample Match, Davids Mobile Phone, Witnesses, Confession etc.). So quite frankly, they didn't need anymore evidence then that for a conviction at that time.

What I believed happened their is that perhaps the Prosecution wanted to make sure they had all their ducks in order. That all the i's were dotted and the t's crossed on what had turned into an international case. I am sure they did not want some evidence thrown out of court based only on some "technicality". For example not having the "Chain of Custody" over DNA Samples, even if this required re-testing, and why I think it is not very plausible that they don't.

The "Case File" as you called it was 850 pages long. It is not unreasonable to think that not everything was perfect and no errors where found in it the first draft. Most Engineering Schematic Diagrams are Revised several times. The Case File was for the Prosecution and not the Court. The Prosecution has the right to show what he wants. He does not have to show everything he has. So he may have wanted the RTP to zoom in on one subject, and forget about another. We don't know, and may never know this, as the Prosecution is under obligation not to tell us when there is an ongoing trail, like right now.

Remember one very important factor here. Nobody to my knowledge has said they do not have the "Chain of Custody" concerning the DNA Tests. All that was said is that the Defense doesn't have that yet. Just like they never had the Hoe, which has been reported that they do now. But time will tell.

I would provide you with links to my statement however from your previous posts its obvious you take no notice of reports that do not agree with your point of view even when you ask for them.

[thailandchilli]

Last one for tonight. Taxi drivers don't get offered 700k baht for false testimony against migrant workers! They'd turn them over for free. Hell. They may even get a reward around here.

There goes that misleading information again!

The Taxi Driver, who people here call was offered a Bribe, and was Interrogation by the Police, had nothing to do with the 2 Accused. This was in relation to a Foot Ball Team who became suspects.

The Taxi Driver was not offered a Bribe. He was offered the Reward Money which at that time was 700K, if he could give them evidence that this guys did it. Since he could not, this was dropped.

Rubbish read the report GB and stop spreading misinformation

[saminoz]

Last one for tonight. Taxi drivers don't get offered 700k baht for false testimony against migrant workers! They'd turn them over for free. Hell. They may even get a reward around here.

There goes that misleading information again!

The Taxi Driver, who people here call was offered a Bribe, and was Interrogation by the Police, had nothing to do with the 2 Accused. This was in relation to a Foot Ball Team who became suspects.

The Taxi Driver was not offered a Bribe. He was offered the Reward Money which at that time was 700K, if he could give them evidence that this guys did it. Since he could not, this was dropped.

He was offered a bribe, according to pretty much all the journals reporting at that time. here are excerpts from two of them

"Thai police investigating the murder of two British backpackers tried to bribe a taxi driver to give false evidence against a football team then beat him up when he refused, it was claimed today.

Pornprasit Sukdam claims he was offered 700,000 baht (£13,300) if he agreed to be a fake witness to events leading up to the deaths of David Miller and Hannah Witheridge in Koh Tao."

"Pornprasit said the police detained him at 1.30 pm on Monday. During the interrogation, the police investigators asked him to agree to pretend to have knowledge of the incident, Pornprasit said. The police allegedly offered him a 700,000 baht (about 21,600 USD) reward and guaranteed him witness status. However, since he was not involved with the crime and did not have any knowledge related to it, Pornprasit declined the police offer. That made the police angry, he said. The police allegedly beat him up before releasing him on Monday at 6.30 pm."

Apparently the taxi driver is a member of the football club, Sun Service Team, and would not stitch up his club mates.

I'll do your reading for you Globby, someone needs to.

​*edited to harmonise font sizes

[thailandchilli]

In a meeting with their embassy representatives, lawyer and right works the two defendants stated police threatened & abused while also admitting they did in fact kill the two but stated the were drunk and didn't mean to kill them. They of course have now changed their story and replaced their lawyer who was at this meeting out side of police presence.

And there you go again. Despicable. You are pulling a story from early on (7th October) and about two weeks before the B2 had had decent access to legal representation and recanted their confessions on the grounds they had been tortured out of them.

Should we discount the murdered even took place and all the crime scene info since it all happened before the 7th of October? This is some real strange logic you have. The confessed to their legal team, their embassy and rights workers outside police presence while also not being scared to tell them at the same time police abused them. This is fact and it happened, no matter how much you want to ignore it.

Just posts earlier you were saying what I posted was dishonest. Now you have found a new excuse to bury your head in the sand as you will do with anything that doesn't fit what your imagination wants to believe.

You seem to be the worst poster here now for picking up old reports where its clear things have moved on. Should we all do the same in return, lets see how many we can wade through, should we start with previous suspects like Chris Ware, or Mon, or the caveman speedboat captain or, or............

Whats next, the families statements again?

[Nigeone]

I want to see the cctv footage of the accused leaving the scene on their motorbike as claimed by the police in court

Good point and the time of said CCTV would be interesting more so. They obviously did leave the beach as they have never said they weren't there but time they left could be interesting.

[JohnThailandJohn]

In a meeting with their embassy representatives, lawyer and right works the two defendants stated police threatened & abused while also admitting they did in fact kill the two but stated the were drunk and didn't mean to kill them. They of course have now changed their story and replaced their lawyer who was at this meeting out side of police presence.

And there you go again. Despicable. You are pulling a story from early on (7th October) and about two weeks before the B2 had had decent access to legal representation and recanted their confessions on the grounds they had been tortured out of them.

Should we discount the murdered even took place and all the crime scene info since it all happened before the 7th of October? This is some real strange logic you have. The confessed to their legal team, their embassy and rights workers outside police presence while also not being scared to tell them at the same time police abused them. This is fact and it happened, no matter how much you want to ignore it.

Just posts earlier you were saying what I posted was dishonest. Now you have found a new excuse to bury your head in the sand as you will do with anything that doesn't fit what your imagination wants to believe.

You seem to be the worst poster here now for picking up old reports where its clear things have moved on. Should we all do the same in return, lets see how many we can wade through, should we start with previous suspects like Chris Ware, or Mon, or the caveman speedboat captain or, or............

Whats next, the families statements again?

LMAO - this is a fact. This happened just as other evidence collected early on. NOTHING has been said to contradict this happened. The two defendants admitted their guilt to their representatives outside police presence while not showing any fear of talking bad about the police because they said at the same time they were abused. If you choose to ignore this then you are the one that is choosing to selectively look at facts. This is not the same at all as the conspiracy theorist pretending early reports from police are true after subsequent information shows that info was false. This is something that happened and it is fact now that the defendants have given two contradictory statements to their own representatives about their involvement. EXTREMELY RELEVANT unless you are somebody living in fairy tale land and all that matters is what you want to imagine is true.

[boomerangutang]

Nobody to my knowledge has said they do not have the "Chain of Custody" concerning the DNA Tests. All that was said is that the Defense doesn't have that yet. Just like they never had the Hoe, which has been reported that they do now. But time will tell.

They said they lost things (the hair, etc), and they said that DNA 'was all used up'. Add to that, RTP have been dragging their feet in every ridiculous way - trying to avoid any re-examination of DNA. Oh, and RTP's lead investigator said he never saw results of Nomsod's test, didn't know if it was really done, didn't know if it was compared to DNA from victim, and didn't know if the sample still existed or where it was. And even if they did know anything about NS's DNA, they certainly wouldn't share that data with the Brits. If that's not screwing-up 'chain of custody' ....then what is? Everything RTP are doing screams cover-up and screw-up and shielding the H's people.

And then there's a 600 lb gorilla sitting in the middle of the room, which RTP are determined not to acknowledge: I'm referring to DNA comparisons (with victim) of those who should be prime suspects. Besides Mon and Nomsod, there are their tough-guy buddies who like to pose with weaponized rings and guns. There's only one reason none of those people have been looked at by RTP: COVER-UP!!!

[JohnThailandJohn]

AleG, if you think the investigation should terminate once scapegoats suspects are put in prison with not bail, then we don't agree. I think the investigation should be on-going. In countries like the US, France and UK, where investigative sciences are miles ahead of Thailand's, investigators sometimes even dust-off crime files that are years old, in order to see whether all avenues were investigated thoroughly, and whether the right people are incarcerated. Granted, it couldn't happen in Thailand, but there's hope that Thai investigators will learn how to do their jobs in at least a semi-professional capacity - .....in the future perhaps?

Police generally don't re-investigate crimes to find new suspects when they already believe they have all the right suspects in custody unless some very compelling evidence comes along. Doing so could in fact be used against them in court. If they are still investigating other people then clearly they are not confident that who they have charges is responsible. Even in the OJ Case, he was found not guilty but the police have not and will not actively search for another killer unless there was very credible evidence to follow-up on. The job in this instance of police it to solve a crime and once they believe they have, regardless of public opinion or if the person gets off, they are generally done and not going to waste resources and time going through motions especially because of nonsense and insignificant online conspiracy theories which in this case the police did waste time and resources initially considering.

Again utter rubbish from you.

Good police do investigate and it is rare for that to be used in court against them because the officer simply states in evidence that it is his job to investigate if any further suspects should be considered and indeed would be negligent in his duties as would indicate he has a closed mind on a persons guilt.

LMAO - you have no clue. You logic is like determining you have a flat tire and that is why your car is handling like crap but decided to pull the tranny to because some moron said it could be related to your tranny. A defense lawyer would have a field day with police if they continued to investigate other suspects while a trial was going on for the suspects they claim are the only ones responsible. This alone would cause reasonable doubt in many people's mind that the wrong people may be on trial.

[JohnThailandJohn]

In a meeting with their embassy representatives, lawyer and right works the two defendants stated police threatened & abused while also admitting they did in fact kill the two but stated the were drunk and didn't mean to kill them. They of course have now changed their story and replaced their lawyer who was at this meeting out side of police presence.

And there you go again. Despicable. You are pulling a story from early on (7th October) and about two weeks before the B2 had had decent access to legal representation and recanted their confessions on the grounds they had been tortured out of them.

Should we discount the murdered even took place and all the crime scene info since it all happened before the 7th of October? This is some real strange logic you have. The confessed to their legal team, their embassy and rights workers outside police presence while also not being scared to tell them at the same time police abused them. This is fact and it happened, no matter how much you want to ignore it.

Just posts earlier you were saying what I posted was dishonest. Now you have found a new excuse to bury your head in the sand as you will do with anything that doesn't fit what your imagination wants to believe.

I am beginning to think you are either clinically insane or mentally defective. Your post doesn't make any sense at all!

They confessed at a time that they were, no doubt, petrified and after the Roti Seller, who had illegally posed as a representative of that same embassy, had advised them to admit guilt return for better treatment. They recanted those forced confessions once they felt safe enough to do so! What part of that can you not understand?

LMAO, Their embassy, lawyers and rights workers forced them to confess and of course they were so scared they had no problem saying the police tortured them while telling their own representatives they committed the crime explaining how they were drunk and did it but they didn't mean to kill them ... typical admission including the making excuses for their actions and making themselves not look so bad.

[boomerangutang]

AleG, if you think the investigation should terminate once scapegoats suspects are put in prison with not bail, then we don't agree. I think the investigation should be on-going. In countries like the US, France and UK, where investigative sciences are miles ahead of Thailand's, investigators sometimes even dust-off crime files that are years old, in order to see whether all avenues were investigated thoroughly, and whether the right people are incarcerated. Granted, it couldn't happen in Thailand, but there's hope that Thai investigators will learn how to do their jobs in at least a semi-professional capacity - .....in the future perhaps?

Police generally don't re-investigate crimes to find new suspects when they already believe they have all the right suspects in custody unless some very compelling evidence comes along. Doing so could in fact be used against them in court. If they are still investigating other people then clearly they are not confident that who they have charges is responsible. Even in the OJ Case, he was found not guilty but the police have not and will not actively search for another killer unless there was very credible evidence to follow-up on. The job in this instance of police it to solve a crime and once they believe they have, regardless of public opinion or if the person gets off, they are generally done and not going to waste resources and time going through motions especially because of nonsense and insignificant online conspiracy theories which in this case the police did waste time and resources initially considering.

Interesting comments. Well there's certainly no compelling evidence coming along in this case is there that would be recognized by the RTP. Also although you keep mentioning the OJ case your right they didn't look for anybody else as he did it and everyone knew he did and it was only a technicality that got him off.

Agree, there is no compelling evidence to suggest somebody else did this but the two defendants and I doubt any will come along unless it is somebody involved with them given both their semen dna was found in a victim. As for OJ, not he did not get off on a technicality and nobody with even the most basic knowledge of the case would say that unless they didn't understand the meaning of technicality.

JTJ: "....they (RTP) are generally done and not going to waste resources and time going through motions especially because of nonsense and insignificant online conspiracy theories which in this case the police did waste time and resources initially considering...."

Boomer: No, JTJ, we wouldn't want our professional and adept police inspectors wasting resources and time doing their jobs. They've got far more important things to do than try to solve a heinous crime - perhaps they're too busy wiring stacks of money to their numbered accounts in the Cayman Islands, or servicing their mia noi between rounds of golf.

[boomerangutang]

A defense lawyer would have a field day with police if they continued to investigate other suspects while a trial was going on for the suspects they claim are the only ones responsible. This alone would cause reasonable doubt in many people's mind that the wrong people may be on trial.

Oh no, we wouldn't want 'reasonable doubt' to cloud anyone's view of the RTP's stellar investigation.

No John, you've got the time-line wrong. We're not asking RTP to investigate while the trial is going on, though that would be cool. No, we're asking that RTP do their jobs since mid-September 2014. For the past 10 months RTP have only been pursuing their agenda of shielding the H's people and trying to nail the scapegoats. Actually, they did that in October '14. From November onwards they've done absolutely nothing to investigate the crime or follow leads.

It's like my Thai mechanic, when I bring my car in and tell him it's got starter problems. We get the car started one time, after two minutes of cranking and pumping the accelerator pedal, and then he stands back smiling and says, "There, it starts. No problem. Bye bye."

[glenmohr]

Darkknight666

There you go again! Trying to spread rumors and gossip that have no truth to them at all and have several times here already proved false.

NS did not refuse to give his DNA because he was never ask for it. Understand That! He was never asked for it! He was cleared on his Alibi alone. He gave his DNA on a Volunteer basis only. So why is it that every week you have to be told this? Are you really that forgetful? Or are you just trying to be a Snot Nosed Little Kid?

What makes you think you are so important that the Police and Prosecution in this country, or any other for that matter, owe you any explanation? Least of all in an ongoing murder investigation. They owe you NOTHING Sonny Boy! Nothing! Zippity Do-da! Zilch! They do not have to produce evidence for you or explain to you why a suspect has been cleared. For Brain Washed People it would only be a waste of time anyway.

Haven't you notice that the Police have stopped making Press Conferences since the end of October? That the only ones speaking about it now seem to be the Defense or the Media expressing their opinions? This is standard protocol in many countries in that Police and Prosecution don't talk about it to the public. They talk about it in court. .

If you want to stamp out crime and corruption in this world then maybe start in Burma (Myanmar) as they have some of the highest crime rates in the World, and by far near the highest Corruption Rate in the World to. Myanmar is tied with Zimbabwe for Corruption, for God's Sake. So if you want to help Burmese People, go their.

My question Mr Gb relates to your statement " a suspect has been cleared" Are you referring to Nomsod?

If that is the case I ask you to advise who cleared him and what were their qualifications and expertise for making that judgment call? If it was Scotland Yard or the FBI I would be impressed.Let us know at the earliest please

Well this is a very irrational question to begin with. The F.B.I work for the United States of America, and Scotland Yard works for the United Kingdom. They do not stick their nose into another countries investigation as they have enough of their own work to do. That is the CIA's Job! They will however and occasionally help out if requested by that government.

Since you impose a very improbable occurrence then what you are virtually saying is you don't believe anything that is proved here no matter how logical or how evident that may be.

Or also known as Brain Washing. .

Like you GB I am opposed to brain washing. For an important part of my career I was a university lecturer and police trainer in the People's Republic of China. Please believe me when I say I am probably more opposed to brainwashing than you even are. It is also possible that I have seen more of it.

As to the other matter you raise even in China they use Interpol in certain cases. In the case of my birth country, there are crimes occurring which may be more common in UK or USA because of their larger population base. In many of those cases it is often been the rule that the expertise of Scotland Yard or FBI is utilised.The best known case was the identical rape of 50 women. Please note not one of them was killed, most rapists in my home country do not murder, murder is a slightly different subject. Any way with nothing much to go on and the rapes continuing our authorities called in the FBI, with their vast experience and resources they nailed the guy. Turned out he was regular guy, well employed , liked by his colleagues and employers. But he was conditioned by a totally split personality, our police had been looking up the wrong tree.

It has been reported, and backed by photos, of a visit to Thailand by representatives of Scotland Yard and the UK metropolitan police. That was my reason for asking if Nomsod had been cleared by Scotland Yard, one of the world's more preeminent specialists in the investigation of crime. It was also rumoured that forensic experts from the FBI were consulted early in the piece. Given that there seems little evidence to back up the rumour that they were involved, I will withdraw that part of the question where I ask if Nomsod was cleared by FBI officers.

But in finality I could mention that an acquaintance of mine, who has far more experience than I have in Thailand, told me that there would be no policeman in Thailand capable enough to manage this case. I suspect that is likely to be unfair and untrue, but I have to acknowledge he said it. The 2 initial victims were foreigners to Thailand. The 2 who have been put on trial are foreigners. Whether we like it or not, it is an international event.

[thailandchilli]

Should we discount the murdered even took place and all the crime scene info since it all happened before the 7th of October? This is some real strange logic you have. The confessed to their legal team, their embassy and rights workers outside police presence while also not being scared to tell them at the same time police abused them. This is fact and it happened, no matter how much you want to ignore it.

Just posts earlier you were saying what I posted was dishonest. Now you have found a new excuse to bury your head in the sand as you will do with anything that doesn't fit what your imagination wants to believe.

You seem to be the worst poster here now for picking up old reports where its clear things have moved on. Should we all do the same in return, lets see how many we can wade through, should we start with previous suspects like Chris Ware, or Mon, or the caveman speedboat captain or, or............

Whats next, the families statements again?

LMAO - this is a fact. This happened just as other evidence collected early on. NOTHING has been said to contradict this happened. The two defendants admitted their guilt to their representatives outside police presence while not showing any fear of talking bad about the police because they said at the same time they were abused. If you choose to ignore this then you are the one that is choosing to selectively look at facts. This is not the same at all as the conspiracy theorist pretending early reports from police are true after subsequent information shows that info was false. This is something that happened and it is fact now that the defendants have given two contradictory statements to their own representatives about their involvement. EXTREMELY RELEVANT unless you are somebody living in fairy tale land and all that matters is what you want to imagine is true.

At what point do I say I'm ignoring it, what I'm saying is that the lawyers they have now say they are not guilty, thats all that matters. But don't forget the other facts at the time if you believe that then you must believe the same lawyers said they saw wounds on the B2 from their mistreatment/torture by the RTP.

I know you don't have much to cling to but try a little better and you may get some credibility back......or not

[thailandchilli]

Thailand police confirmation is what is important, we know we can trust 100% everything they say, they are held in the highest esteem in Thailand and throughout the world - the stupid believes and the smart does not, carry on with your make believe delusions, there are 3 believers on this forum and then you have smart people that see through this charade, carry on making a fool of yourself it measures perfectly with this developing epic embarrassment of an investigation, my heart goes out to the families and loved ones that have to experience this horrific debacle of so called justice Thai style, do yourself a and all of us a favour and ................................................you disgusting person along with Ag and GB, karma will catch you up believe me

Distrusting police is natural, in any country and of course more natural in a less developed nation. However, this doesn't justify implausible and highly speculative conspiracy theories that involve pointing the fingers at people you have zero evidence against except for your ignorance of what you don't know and that you have no business knowing. Nor does distrust in the police indicate there is going to be a grand conspire to let murdering rapist animals go free and not be interested in seeing those responsible punished.

As for you faux concern with the families, they have made clear their thoughts on your kind doing this speculating and how hurtful it has been to them and those who were close to the victims. Show a little bit of dignity here and at least be like other posters and admit you don't care about the families wishes and that they are ignorant and uniformed for believing the police have the right people in custody and having faith the court. Just utter nonsense to pretend you care about the family and that plays into any of your motives here for the nonsense theories being put fourth and your selectively believing some police reports and not other ... obsessing on incomplete information while claiming cover ups and edited videos in others when you don;t want to believe reality. Just plain nonsense. Anyway continue focusing on things you don;t know and coming up with pretend facts and speculating on silly conspiracy theories because taking a step back and looking at things in their entirety would make you realize just how silly these theories and conclusion being put forth here are.

Is it also natural for the PM of a country not to trust his own police force? Are you forgetting the self appointed PM's words at the start of this case? "If we rush the police they will catch scapegoats"

[glenmohr]

I wish to apologise to AleG for using an incorrect name when referring to him

[bruceybonus]

A witness in the case has been murdered!! Ohn Marr who found the dead bodies has been murdered

[smedly]

I want to see the cctv footage of the accused leaving the scene on their motorbike as claimed by the police in court

Good point and the time of said CCTV would be interesting more so. They obviously did leave the beach as they have never said they weren't there but time they left could be interesting.

yes why is it not in evidence ? something the defence should be focusing on, I'll wager any such evidence has been destroyed because it didn't fit with the prosecutions agenda, all cctv footage should have been handed over to the defence, why has this not happened, if the police used such footage during their investigation and the prosecution are using it in making their case then the defence should equally have access to all of it, anything collected by police is "in evidence" whether used or not

where is it ??????????????

The police have chosen a path in this investigation that is now being scrutinised across the world, if this does indeed turn out to be a "fit up" which I strongly suspect as I've seen nothing to make me think otherwise, we then face the horrific reality that a gang of brutal rapists and murderers are roaming freely on Ko Tao and will very likely strike again

[stephenterry]

Nothing to add. Nothing new that is verifiable. The situation remains the same, as of now there has been no substantiated evidence against the B2, only assertions.

[smedly]

A witness in the case has been murdered!! Ohn Marr who found the dead bodies has been murdered

source ?

[bruceybonus]

A witness in the case has been murdered!! Ohn Marr who found the dead bodies has been murdered

source ?

It's in Burmese so unless you have Burmese downloaded on your computer it just will show squares. I will try and find an English source

[saminoz]

A witness in the case has been murdered!! Ohn Marr who found the dead bodies has been murdered

Where did you hear/read this BB? Link?

[saminoz]

I want to see the cctv footage of the accused leaving the scene on their motorbike as claimed by the police in court

Good point and the time of said CCTV would be interesting more so. They obviously did leave the beach as they have never said they weren't there but time they left could be interesting.

yes why is it not in evidence ? something the defence should be focusing on, I'll wager any such evidence has been destroyed because it didn't fit with the prosecutions agenda, all cctv footage should have been handed over to the defence, why has this not happened, if the police used such footage during their investigation and the prosecution are using it in making their case then the defence should equally have access to all of it, anything collected by police is "in evidence" whether used or not

where is it ??????????????

The police have chosen a path in this investigation that is now being scrutinised across the world, if this does indeed turn out to be a "fit up" which I strongly suspect as I've seen nothing to make me think otherwise, we then face the horrific reality that a gang of brutal rapists and murderers are roaming freely on Ko Tao and will very likely strike again

If this is true, then maybe the money suspected to have been collected by the Police should be treated as evidence and shared with the defence! That would save them from having to ask for donations to cover expenses

[IslandLover]

A witness in the case has been murdered!! Ohn Marr who found the dead bodies has been murdered

source ?

We can't quote the source here but it says that the person (female) who found the bodies of David and Hannah has been shot dead on 29th July. We will have to wait for a proper report to see if it is true or not. It seems to indicate that she was murdered on Koh Tao but I thought it was said in court that she had fled back to Burma and therefore could not be a witness in court.

[Nigeone]

A witness in the case has been murdered!! Ohn Marr who found the dead bodies has been murdered

source ?

We can't quote the source here but it says that the person (female) who found the bodies of David and Hannah has been shot dead on 29th July. We will have to wait for a proper report to see if it is true or not. It seems to indicate that she was murdered on Koh Tao but I thought it was said in court that she had fled back to Burma and therefore could not be a witness in court.

Oh dear ,if true this would reinforce the reluctance of any witnesses to come forward. Of course it might not be true and might not be realated to the murders but seems suspicious.

[JohnThailandJohn]

Should we discount the murdered even took place and all the crime scene info since it all happened before the 7th of October? This is some real strange logic you have. The confessed to their legal team, their embassy and rights workers outside police presence while also not being scared to tell them at the same time police abused them. This is fact and it happened, no matter how much you want to ignore it.

Just posts earlier you were saying what I posted was dishonest. Now you have found a new excuse to bury your head in the sand as you will do with anything that doesn't fit what your imagination wants to believe.

You seem to be the worst poster here now for picking up old reports where its clear things have moved on. Should we all do the same in return, lets see how many we can wade through, should we start with previous suspects like Chris Ware, or Mon, or the caveman speedboat captain or, or............

Whats next, the families statements again?

LMAO - this is a fact. This happened just as other evidence collected early on. NOTHING has been said to contradict this happened. The two defendants admitted their guilt to their representatives outside police presence while not showing any fear of talking bad about the police because they said at the same time they were abused. If you choose to ignore this then you are the one that is choosing to selectively look at facts. This is not the same at all as the conspiracy theorist pretending early reports from police are true after subsequent information shows that info was false. This is something that happened and it is fact now that the defendants have given two contradictory statements to their own representatives about their involvement. EXTREMELY RELEVANT unless you are somebody living in fairy tale land and all that matters is what you want to imagine is true.

At what point do I say I'm ignoring it, what I'm saying is that the lawyers they have now say they are not guilty, thats all that matters. But don't forget the other facts at the time if you believe that then you must believe the same lawyers said they saw wounds on the B2 from their mistreatment/torture by the RTP.

I know you don't have much to cling to but try a little better and you may get some credibility back......or not

I have never said the police were not abusive to them ... unlike you though I do consider their admission to their own representatives relevant especially when the police were not there and they showed no fear of the police by saying they were abused. Further I find it relevant to the fact they changed their story. To not consider their free admission to embassy officials, lawyers and rights workers is to bury ones head in the sand and clearly shows a lack of being honest about the facts in this case. At the very minimum their credibility needs to be questioned but I personal believe combined with the others facts, you choose to ignore or discount, their admission is a clear indication of their guilt.

[Darkknight666]

Last one for tonight. Taxi drivers don't get offered 700k baht for false testimony against migrant workers! They'd turn them over for free. Hell. They may even get a reward around here.

There goes that misleading information again!

The Taxi Driver, who people here call was offered a Bribe, and was Interrogation by the Police, had nothing to do with the 2 Accused. This was in relation to a Foot Ball Team who became suspects.

The Taxi Driver was not offered a Bribe. He was offered the Reward Money which at that time was 700K, if

he could give them evidence that this guys did it. Since he could not, this was dropped.

No, he was asked to give false information by RTP for the reward money. Big difference GB. I can find the story of you like.

[thailandchilli]

At what point do I say I'm ignoring it, what I'm saying is that the lawyers they have now say they are not guilty, thats all that matters. But don't forget the other facts at the time if you believe that then you must believe the same lawyers said they saw wounds on the B2 from their mistreatment/torture by the RTP.

I know you don't have much to cling to but try a little better and you may get some credibility back......or not

I have never said the police were not abusive to them ... unlike you though I do consider their admission to their own representatives relevant especially when the police were not there and they showed no fear of the police by saying they were abused. Further I find it relevant to the fact they changed their story. To not consider their free admission to embassy officials, lawyers and rights workers is to bury ones head in the sand and clearly shows a lack of being honest about the facts in this case. At the very minimum their credibility needs to be questioned but I personal believe combined with the others facts, you choose to ignore or discount, their admission is a clear indication of their guilt.

Yep just about sums you up then

[StealthEnergiser]

Not confirmed at the moment and may be rumour but i have seen this on a couple of different Facebook site.

"A witness of Koh Tao case, Ohn Mar, who saw the dead bodies ( Hannah and David) was murdered on 29th July."