Manager helps me with fake degree and WP

[Dutch90]

Goodmorning,

A couple of months ago I moved from Holland to Asia for a long trip, without expecting to work in Asia(I was hoping for it). After 2 months I met a Thai guy, he was looking for foreigners who wants to teach at a primary school. The guy looked good to me, had some great offers so I decided to work. Also a great opportunity to stay with my Thai girlfriend. Sounds great shall you think.

What I told, I am from Holland, so a NNES speaker, also I don't have a BA degree. No problem he said, the degree I can fix for you. He did it, the degree looks like it's made by a kid, but oke, I can work with it here, on my tourist visa.

The end of this semester is coming, and I can come back after the short holiday in October. Right now he said me I have to go for a Non-B visa so the school can give me a WP. I asked him a couple of weeks ago if that won't give me problems? No he said, when you have the WP, the immigration won't check it anymore and you can stay here as long as you want.

The problem is, I don't trust it all. You read stories from people who get caught by the immigration with fake degrees, and nobody wants to go to the IDC, me either.

My question, what are the risks for me?

Yes, I want to stay as long as possible in Thailand, and yes, I am doing my job great here. No, I don't have a BA, I finish high school over there, but officially, it's not enough to work in Thailand.

[Gumballl]

So, in summary, you are asking if it is okay to present fake documents to obtain a work permit?

You say you are doing well as a teacher, but if you cannot even answer a simple question as the one above, then I have my doubts regarding your personal assessment of your qualifications to be a teacher.

Good luck with whatever you decide. I hope you use the head above your shoulders to make a decision that is best for you.

[Dutch90]

In summary I ask. Are there many risks to work on fake papers? Is the change big they will catch you...

Off course, I know it's not the right way to work on fake degrees, but for me it's the only way right now.

[Gumballl]

In summary I ask. Are there many risks to work on fake papers? Is the change big they will catch you...

Off course, I know it's not the right way to work on fake degrees, but for me it's the only way right now.

Why not return to your home country so that you can earn a degree? Or perhaps consider doing the same here in Thailand.

Thai uni-degrees aren't worth much, but as long as it is used here in Thailand, it shouldn't matter.

Anyhow, you do have choices; if you think that you do not, then it is perhaps your g/f that is making the decisions, and not you.

[jacky54]

Completely illegal, immoral and stupid. Thai kids need qualified legal teachers, not people who just want to be with their girfriend

[Eddy B]

Using a fake degree is fraud..........100%. You are the one that will be locked up, not the Thai gentleman. At the end of the day you either need to get the degree needed, visa required and the WP. Their are some loop holes to enable you to work with out the required degree but they are getting smaller and smaller. If you have the funds, do what Gumballl suggests and enroll at a local university. You only need a BA to get your foot in the door. The choice is yours!

[Dutch90]

Am I qualified enough to do the same as someone with a BA degree, yes and no. I don't have the papers, but I have the skills for sure!

Is it better to work on a tourist visa as long as possible? So I'm not in "the system"

[stoneyboy]

I cant believe what I read some days.

Sod this I'm off to watch Carry on Teacher.

[stoneyboy]

[NickJ]

The risk is yours to take. You will have a double edged sword above you. Chances are that Immigration will know its not a real document. Most times they could careless...most times.

[Preacher]

Your fake degree is enough to get free lodging and meals with the compliments of the Thai government, after having a judge declared you are elligable. The resulting criminal record might cause you problems in any further career.

For an elementary school you need a teaching license (waiver) and for that you need to submit your degree, which is checked.

And no, you cannot work on a tourist visa as you need to work permit and you will not get one on a tourist visa. Another criminal offence. But falsifying docuemnts is the most severe and people do go to jail for that.

You cna work legally without a degree at a language school.

[Loaded]

The first step is the permission letter from the MoE for the non-imm B visa application. Normally, they rubber stamp the application that includes a copy of your degree. They don't look closely. If you have this letter, most embassies don't also require to see your degree. You'll be issued the visa and it will be activated by immigration when you enter Thailand. However, for work permit and visa extension applications your degree may be examined more closely especially when you need to start requesting waivers from the TCT. It will probably be caught at this stage.

However, if you work through a non-formal school (language school), the TCT will not inspect your qualifications and you may slip through without being noticed. It's still risky though if you use a fake qualification.

[Dutch90]

In september my tourist visa expires, after that I will quit and come back in November for the 2nd semester, that is until March. I will teach around 4 months the 2nd semester.

Is it "legally" to come back on a tourist visa, after that I make a visarun to get a non-b until March, when I will quit teaching on this school.

[Farma]

I recall a teacher a couple of years ago being jailed for using a fake degree. He was a TVF member into cycling I believe.

Link to the topic http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/263129-fake-degrees/

Edited July 20, 2015 by Farma

[DP25]

He did it, the degree looks like it's made by a kid, but oke, I can work with it here, on my tourist visa.

You said it, it looks like it was made by a kid. You can work on a tourist visa because no one is looking at your fake degree that looks like it was made by a kid.

When you work here on a Non B and a work permit many government officials will be looking at it. You will have to submit it to immigration and to the "Teacher's Council of Thailand" for approval. If you are caught, which is likely since you said it looks like it was made by a kid, you will be rejected and possibly get in big trouble too.

Look, this guy doesn't give a $%*# what happens to you. He's not gonna help you out if you get thrown in jail or deported. It's not a good idea to follow this guy's 'plan', he has no idea what he is doing and if you get in trouble he will forget you instantly and go look for a new farang.

[Sviss Geez]

So, in summary, you are asking if it is okay to present fake documents to obtain a work permit?

You say you are doing well as a teacher, but if you cannot even answer a simple question as the one above, then I have my doubts regarding your personal assessment of your qualifications to be a teacher.

Good luck with whatever you decide. I hope you use the head above your shoulders to make a decision that is best for you.

What about what's best for the children this unqualified non-native English speaker fraudster has under his control. I wonder if the children's parents know the kind of scum that is trying to teach them Dutch/English?

[Sviss Geez]

Am I qualified enough to do the same as someone with a BA degree, yes and no. I don't have the papers, but I have the skills for sure!

Is it better to work on a tourist visa as long as possible? So I'm not in "the system"

So what makes you qualified, as a non-qualified "teacher", to decide if you have the skills to teach foreign children a language that is foreign to you? You finished high school...wow, very impressive.

It would be better for you to get out if the education system that you're in purely so you can stay with your bloody girlfriend.

You really should be ashamed of yourself.

[Sviss Geez]

In september my tourist visa expires, after that I will quit and come back in November for the 2nd semester, that is until March. I will teach around 4 months the 2nd semester.

Is it "legally" to come back on a tourist visa, after that I make a visarun to get a non-b until March, when I will quit teaching on this school.

None of what you are doing is legal, you're not even bright enough to realise that, don't bother coming back, leave the Thai children alone.

[Tj872729]

Hi Dutch90

This will be a long reply, but I want to try and help you. Let me tell you of my story doing exactly what you are contemplating doing and it may help you with your decision. I entered Thailand for the first time in 2004 and like yourself (and countless others), met a lovely Thai girl, whom became my girlfriend. I went back numerous times to see her. After about the 4th time I recall, I remember thinking 'I don't want to keep doing this, I want to live here and I don't want to keep leaving her'. I, like yourself did not have a bachelors degree and was only educated to high school level back then. During that 4th visit, I told her I was going to look for a job and try and stay. Naturally she was happy and the future looked bright. Unfortunately in Thailand there aren't many job opportunities for Foreigners apart from teaching, so I too got a job teaching in a local school where we were living. I was happy at the time to do tourist runs as long as it meant I could stay with her. The school though kept pushing and pushing for me to provide my documents in order to proceed with a temp teacher's license and a work permit. I had blatantly lied in my application when saying I had graduated at university (that was my first grave mistake) just so you know. I didn't want to lose the job and equally I didn't want to lose my girlfriend or at least leave her again. I chose to buy a degree that was not genuine of course. This was my second at most fatal error and I would do anything to take it back. I processed the degree and everything went through fine, so I thought. A few months later, I had a call from the manager to come to the office. He said that they got a call and that my degree had been checked and it had obviously not passed the verification process. I was immediately fired and also really worried for obvious reasons at the time. I left to go home a few days later out of sheer worrying and stress. I knew what I had done was stupid and that it was not at all worth it. I came back to my home country and in all my wisdom I changed my surname amid fears that there could well be future issues regarding what I had done, so I wanted to cover myself and protect my girlfriend against any future problems. A few months later I went back to Thailand and entered the country without any problem. At the time I was of course worried that I could be black listed or worse so it was nerve racking re-entering for the first time since the issue that i'd brought on myself. With me just being fired at the school, I assumed it would be left at that and that I would be free to go back and for to Thailand from there on in. Again, how wrong I was. Just this year, I entered Thailand (now we are talking 10 odd years after this all happened, with countless entries and departures from Thailand between then and now) and as I gave my passport to the immigration officer at Suvarnubhumi airport on arrival, he was looking at it strangely and for an unusually long period of time. He asked 'can you speak Thai'? I answered 'yes, I can'. He proceeded to ask me in Thai if I had ever been arrested in Thailand. I replied in Thai with a quick fire MAI KRAP. That was not a lie. I had been fired for the illegal document, some years earlier but never charged or arrested for the offence. He asked me to wait as he called a supervisor over to look at it. The supervising officer asked me to go with him to ask me some questions. He kept me waiting a good hour or two before he came back into the room I had been waiting nervously in. He asked me if I had ever changed my name? At that point I was gobsmacked.......did not know where to look. 2005-2006 came flooding back. I remained silent with fear and shock. He then asked if I had ever taught here. Again I was totally in shock and knew at the point that he must know everything, hence the line of questioning. It was at that point I decided enough is enough. Own up and take the wrap. I said to myself 'you did it, you are much older now, so deal with it'. It has always been in the back of my mind what I did years ago at the stupid age of 23. I answered yes to both questions. He then pulled out numerous files on me that he had dug up in the hour he had kept me in the room waiting. He said in Thai 'lucky for you, you didn't lie and make it worse on yourself'. Basically, he knew the lot . Just this year the Thais have had their immigration systems updated to rival the American system. They can tell how many passports you've had, change of names, everything. He explained that all the years I was able to enter was very lucky, due to them using an old, outdated system. He proceeded to tell me I am black listed for life and I was put on a plane back home the same evening. Thailand are very under estimated in their abilities and they are getting better and better in all areas, especially immigration. He went on to say there is no warrant out for your arrest but you are on a life long 99 year black list. Because of my stupidity years ago, I can never enter Thailand again. I am now back in my home country in my last year of university at the ripe old age of 33. When i graduate I cannot go back to Thailand. I will go to another country and apply, legally using official documents to apply to work and stay in that country. I am very sorry to all that this post is long winded (to say the least) but I really wanted to tell this person about my experience, so that he doesn't make the same mistake. My advice to you is DON'T RUIN YOUR CHANCES IN THAILAND. Go home, study, and go back. Or look at some other way, but do it all legally. Take it from someone who has made the mistake and can never go back, it is just not worth it. Good luck with it though and I hope you make the right decision.

A

[stoneyboy]

Hi Dutch90

This will be a long reply, but I want to try and help you. Let me tell you of my story doing exactly what you are contemplating doing and it may help you with your decision. I entered Thailand for the first time in 2004 and like yourself (and countless others), met a lovely Thai girl, whom became my girlfriend. I went back numerous times to see her. After about the 4th time I recall, I remember thinking 'I don't want to keep doing this, I want to live here and I don't want to keep leaving her'. I, like yourself did not have a bachelors degree and was only educated to high school level back then. During that 4th visit, I told her I was going to look for a job and try and stay. Naturally she was happy and the future looked bright. Unfortunately in Thailand there aren't many job opportunities for Foreigners apart from teaching, so I too got a job teaching in a local school where we were living. I was happy at the time to do tourist runs as long as it meant I could stay with her. The school though kept pushing and pushing for me to provide my documents in order to proceed with a temp teacher's license and a work permit. I had blatantly lied in my application when saying I had graduated at university (that was my first grave mistake) just so you know. I didn't want to lose the job and equally I didn't want to lose my girlfriend or at least leave her again. I chose to buy a degree that was not genuine of course. This was my second at most fatal error and I would do anything to take it back. I processed the degree and everything went through fine, so I thought. A few months later, I had a call from the manager to come to the office. He said that they got a call and that my degree had been checked and it had obviously not passed the verification process. I was immediately fired and also really worried for obvious reasons at the time. I left to go home a few days later out of sheer worrying and stress. I knew what I had done was stupid and that it was not at all worth it. I came back to my home country and in all my wisdom I changed my surname amid fears that there could well be future issues regarding what I had done, so I wanted to cover myself and protect my girlfriend against any future problems. A few months later I went back to Thailand and entered the country without any problem. At the time I was of course worried that I could be black listed or worse so it was nerve racking re-entering for the first time since the issue that i'd brought on myself. With me just being fired at the school, I assumed it would be left at that and that I would be free to go back and for to Thailand from there on in. Again, how wrong I was. Just this year, I entered Thailand (now we are talking 10 odd years after this all happened, with countless entries and departures from Thailand between then and now) and as I gave my passport to the immigration officer at Suvarnubhumi airport on arrival, he was looking at it strangely and for an unusually long period of time. He asked 'can you speak Thai'? I answered 'yes, I can'. He proceeded to ask me in Thai if I had ever been arrested in Thailand. I replied in Thai with a quick fire MAI KRAP. That was not a lie. I had been fired for the illegal document, some years earlier but never charged or arrested for the offence. He asked me to wait as he called a supervisor over to look at it. The supervising officer asked me to go with him to ask me some questions. He kept me waiting a good hour or two before he came back into the room I had been waiting nervously in. He asked me if I had ever changed my name? At that point I was gobsmacked.......did not know where to look. 2005-2006 came flooding back. I remained silent with fear and shock. He then asked if I had ever taught here. Again I was totally in shock and knew at the point that he must know everything, hence the line of questioning. It was at that point I decided enough is enough. Own up and take the wrap. I said to myself 'you did it, you are much older now, so deal with it'. It has always been in the back of my mind what I did years ago at the stupid age of 23. I answered yes to both questions. He then pulled out numerous files on me that he had dug up in the hour he had kept me in the room waiting. He said in Thai 'lucky for you, you didn't lie and make it worse on yourself'. Basically, he knew the lot . Just this year the Thais have had their immigration systems updated to rival the American system. They can tell how many passports you've had, change of names, everything. He explained that all the years I was able to enter was very lucky, due to them using an old, outdated system. He proceeded to tell me I am black listed for life and I was put on a plane back home the same evening. Thailand are very under estimated in their abilities and they are getting better and better in all areas, especially immigration. He went on to say there is no warrant out for your arrest but you are on a life long 99 year black list. Because of my stupidity years ago, I can never enter Thailand again. I am now back in my home country in my last year of university at the ripe old age of 33. When i graduate I cannot go back to Thailand. I will go to another country and apply, legally using official documents to apply to work and stay in that country. I am very sorry to all that this post is long winded (to say the least) but I really wanted to tell this person about my experience, so that he doesn't make the same mistake. My advice to you is DON'T RUIN YOUR CHANCES IN THAILAND. Go home, study, and go back. Or look at some other way, but do it all legally. Take it from someone who has made the mistake and can never go back, it is just not worth it. Good luck with it though and I hope you make the right decision.

A

Definitely no teacher you don't know how to write using paragraphs.

Good grief that hurt my eyes.

But very wise words from someone who has been there done that and got the t shirt.

No less

Edited July 20, 2015 by stoneyboy

[Tj872729]

SORRY I RUSHED IT NO TIME FOR PARAGRAPHS OR SPELL CHECK LOL

JUST WANTED THE POINT ACROSS LOL

Hi Dutch90

This will be a long reply, but I want to try and help you. Let me tell you of my story doing exactly what you are contemplating doing and it may help you with your decision. I entered Thailand for the first time in 2004 and like yourself (and countless others), met a lovely Thai girl, whom became my girlfriend. I went back numerous times to see her. After about the 4th time I recall, I remember thinking 'I don't want to keep doing this, I want to live here and I don't want to keep leaving her'. I, like yourself did not have a bachelors degree and was only educated to high school level back then. During that 4th visit, I told her I was going to look for a job and try and stay. Naturally she was happy and the future looked bright. Unfortunately in Thailand there aren't many job opportunities for Foreigners apart from teaching, so I too got a job teaching in a local school where we were living. I was happy at the time to do tourist runs as long as it meant I could stay with her. The school though kept pushing and pushing for me to provide my documents in order to proceed with a temp teacher's license and a work permit. I had blatantly lied in my application when saying I had graduated at university (that was my first grave mistake) just so you know. I didn't want to lose the job and equally I didn't want to lose my girlfriend or at least leave her again. I chose to buy a degree that was not genuine of course. This was my second at most fatal error and I would do anything to take it back. I processed the degree and everything went through fine, so I thought. A few months later, I had a call from the manager to come to the office. He said that they got a call and that my degree had been checked and it had obviously not passed the verification process. I was immediately fired and also really worried for obvious reasons at the time. I left to go home a few days later out of sheer worrying and stress. I knew what I had done was stupid and that it was not at all worth it. I came back to my home country and in all my wisdom I changed my surname amid fears that there could well be future issues regarding what I had done, so I wanted to cover myself and protect my girlfriend against any future problems. A few months later I went back to Thailand and entered the country without any problem. At the time I was of course worried that I could be black listed or worse so it was nerve racking re-entering for the first time since the issue that i'd brought on myself. With me just being fired at the school, I assumed it would be left at that and that I would be free to go back and for to Thailand from there on in. Again, how wrong I was. Just this year, I entered Thailand (now we are talking 10 odd years after this all happened, with countless entries and departures from Thailand between then and now) and as I gave my passport to the immigration officer at Suvarnubhumi airport on arrival, he was looking at it strangely and for an unusually long period of time. He asked 'can you speak Thai'? I answered 'yes, I can'. He proceeded to ask me in Thai if I had ever been arrested in Thailand. I replied in Thai with a quick fire MAI KRAP. That was not a lie. I had been fired for the illegal document, some years earlier but never charged or arrested for the offence. He asked me to wait as he called a supervisor over to look at it. The supervising officer asked me to go with him to ask me some questions. He kept me waiting a good hour or two before he came back into the room I had been waiting nervously in. He asked me if I had ever changed my name? At that point I was gobsmacked.......did not know where to look. 2005-2006 came flooding back. I remained silent with fear and shock. He then asked if I had ever taught here. Again I was totally in shock and knew at the point that he must know everything, hence the line of questioning. It was at that point I decided enough is enough. Own up and take the wrap. I said to myself 'you did it, you are much older now, so deal with it'. It has always been in the back of my mind what I did years ago at the stupid age of 23. I answered yes to both questions. He then pulled out numerous files on me that he had dug up in the hour he had kept me in the room waiting. He said in Thai 'lucky for you, you didn't lie and make it worse on yourself'. Basically, he knew the lot . Just this year the Thais have had their immigration systems updated to rival the American system. They can tell how many passports you've had, change of names, everything. He explained that all the years I was able to enter was very lucky, due to them using an old, outdated system. He proceeded to tell me I am black listed for life and I was put on a plane back home the same evening. Thailand are very under estimated in their abilities and they are getting better and better in all areas, especially immigration. He went on to say there is no warrant out for your arrest but you are on a life long 99 year black list. Because of my stupidity years ago, I can never enter Thailand again. I am now back in my home country in my last year of university at the ripe old age of 33. When i graduate I cannot go back to Thailand. I will go to another country and apply, legally using official documents to apply to work and stay in that country. I am very sorry to all that this post is long winded (to say the least) but I really wanted to tell this person about my experience, so that he doesn't make the same mistake. My advice to you is DON'T RUIN YOUR CHANCES IN THAILAND. Go home, study, and go back. Or look at some other way, but do it all legally. Take it from someone who has made the mistake and can never go back, it is just not worth it. Good luck with it though and I hope you make the right decision.

A

Definitely no teacher you don't know how to write using paragraphs.

Good grief that my eyes hurt.

But very wise words from someone who has been there done that and got the t shirt.

No less

[Dutch90]

Hello A,

Thanks a lot for the great comment,very useful.

I already decided to not work on a work permit. But the school wants me to work on a Non-b visa, I have to change my tourist visa to a non-b.

Are there the same risks as working on a work permit with only working on a non-b visa?

[Slip]

Dutch- you have already been told mate. Trying to scam both the school AND the authorities has a horrible downside. It's not worth it. Your agent doesn't care at all. Fwiw- I know a guy who has been here for about 10 years on a fake degree. He just had to get it 'upgraded' at the cost of about 20-25k baht. He spends his whole time looking over his shoulder all the same.

[lostinisaan]

SORRY I RUSHED IT NO TIME FOR PARAGRAPHS OR SPELL CHECK LOL

JUST WANTED THE POINT ACROSS LOL

Hi Dutch90

This will be a long reply, but I want to try and help you. Let me tell you of my story doing exactly what you are contemplating doing and it may help you with your decision. I entered Thailand for the first time in 2004 and like yourself (and countless others), met a lovely Thai girl, whom became my girlfriend. I went back numerous times to see her. After about the 4th time I recall, I remember thinking 'I don't want to keep doing this, I want to live here and I don't want to keep leaving her'. I, like yourself did not have a bachelors degree and was only educated to high school level back then. During that 4th visit, I told her I was going to look for a job and try and stay. Naturally she was happy and the future looked bright. Unfortunately in Thailand there aren't many job opportunities for Foreigners apart from teaching, so I too got a job teaching in a local school where we were living. I was happy at the time to do tourist runs as long as it meant I could stay with her. The school though kept pushing and pushing for me to provide my documents in order to proceed with a temp teacher's license and a work permit. I had blatantly lied in my application when saying I had graduated at university (that was my first grave mistake) just so you know. I didn't want to lose the job and equally I didn't want to lose my girlfriend or at least leave her again. I chose to buy a degree that was not genuine of course. This was my second at most fatal error and I would do anything to take it back. I processed the degree and everything went through fine, so I thought. A few months later, I had a call from the manager to come to the office. He said that they got a call and that my degree had been checked and it had obviously not passed the verification process. I was immediately fired and also really worried for obvious reasons at the time. I left to go home a few days later out of sheer worrying and stress. I knew what I had done was stupid and that it was not at all worth it. I came back to my home country and in all my wisdom I changed my surname amid fears that there could well be future issues regarding what I had done, so I wanted to cover myself and protect my girlfriend against any future problems. A few months later I went back to Thailand and entered the country without any problem. At the time I was of course worried that I could be black listed or worse so it was nerve racking re-entering for the first time since the issue that i'd brought on myself. With me just being fired at the school, I assumed it would be left at that and that I would be free to go back and for to Thailand from there on in. Again, how wrong I was. Just this year, I entered Thailand (now we are talking 10 odd years after this all happened, with countless entries and departures from Thailand between then and now) and as I gave my passport to the immigration officer at Suvarnubhumi airport on arrival, he was looking at it strangely and for an unusually long period of time. He asked 'can you speak Thai'? I answered 'yes, I can'. He proceeded to ask me in Thai if I had ever been arrested in Thailand. I replied in Thai with a quick fire MAI KRAP. That was not a lie. I had been fired for the illegal document, some years earlier but never charged or arrested for the offence. He asked me to wait as he called a supervisor over to look at it. The supervising officer asked me to go with him to ask me some questions. He kept me waiting a good hour or two before he came back into the room I had been waiting nervously in. He asked me if I had ever changed my name? At that point I was gobsmacked.......did not know where to look. 2005-2006 came flooding back. I remained silent with fear and shock. He then asked if I had ever taught here. Again I was totally in shock and knew at the point that he must know everything, hence the line of questioning. It was at that point I decided enough is enough. Own up and take the wrap. I said to myself 'you did it, you are much older now, so deal with it'. It has always been in the back of my mind what I did years ago at the stupid age of 23. I answered yes to both questions. He then pulled out numerous files on me that he had dug up in the hour he had kept me in the room waiting. He said in Thai 'lucky for you, you didn't lie and make it worse on yourself'. Basically, he knew the lot . Just this year the Thais have had their immigration systems updated to rival the American system. They can tell how many passports you've had, change of names, everything. He explained that all the years I was able to enter was very lucky, due to them using an old, outdated system. He proceeded to tell me I am black listed for life and I was put on a plane back home the same evening. Thailand are very under estimated in their abilities and they are getting better and better in all areas, especially immigration. He went on to say there is no warrant out for your arrest but you are on a life long 99 year black list. Because of my stupidity years ago, I can never enter Thailand again. I am now back in my home country in my last year of university at the ripe old age of 33. When i graduate I cannot go back to Thailand. I will go to another country and apply, legally using official documents to apply to work and stay in that country. I am very sorry to all that this post is long winded (to say the least) but I really wanted to tell this person about my experience, so that he doesn't make the same mistake. My advice to you is DON'T RUIN YOUR CHANCES IN THAILAND. Go home, study, and go back. Or look at some other way, but do it all legally. Take it from someone who has made the mistake and can never go back, it is just not worth it. Good luck with it though and I hope you make the right decision.

A

Definitely no teacher you don't know how to write using paragraphs.

Good grief that my eyes hurt.

But very wise words from someone who has been there done that and got the t shirt.

No less

I just don't understand why this guy's criticizing your post. Maybe his bar stool at Nana got wet because it rained all night?

Who cares about paragraphs when somebody, in this case an honest guy, writes down a very painful part of his life?

Thanks for taking the time to share your experience.

I don't want to know how many people went the same way and it's only a matter of time that some friendly Immigration officers will give them a visit................

I can only imagine how you're feeling and really feel sorry for you. It should be a warning for others, even if it's one without paragraphs.

I know a German guy who got blacklisted many moons ago, because he brought plenty of girls to Europe to work in the horizontal business.

​ He found a way through getting married and he could finally go back to Thailand.

Please see an older thread:( Hard to believe that so many people think that you only have to apply for a new passport and all's gone.)<>

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/582865-blacklisted-peoplecan-never-enter-thailand-again/

Best of luck from lower northeast. Chock Dee, na Khrap.-

Edited July 20, 2015 by lostinisaan

[lostinisaan]

Hello A,

Thanks a lot for the great comment,very useful.

I already decided to not work on a work permit. But the school wants me to work on a Non-b visa, I have to change my tourist visa to a non-b.

Are there the same risks as working on a work permit with only working on a non-b visa?

Dude, please tell me that you're not that naive. Don't you have Google search on your PC/notebook/ cellphone? God, it already hurts.

[Dutch90]

I'm not naive, and yes, off course I try to find the Internet on my smartphone. I can't find any information about working on a non-b, with a fake degree.

So my question again, can you get problems with that?

[nidieunimaitre]

So the OP will teach English?

Oh dear.

Perhaps he could apply for an ED visa (studying English),in order to stay in Thailand with his gf?

This reminds me of Dutch minister Vanderstoel.

After a long meeting with his EU colleges, he commented: "We hardly worked"

[Slip]

This is starting to look like a complete troll thread-

OP you have been told numerous times that there is a problem with your plan. It has been explained to you carefully.

Just to be clear, to tell you what you have been told numerous times already- yes you can get problems if you choose to work with a fake degree- regardless of anything else. It is possible to work in Thailand without a degree, but claiming one that you don't have in order to secure paid employment in Thailand makes you a criminal here. If you get caught you will go to prison. Will you get caught? Who knows?

[saakura]

I'm not naive, and yes, off course I try to find the Internet on my smartphone. I can't find any information about working on a non-b, with a fake degree.

So my question again, can you get problems with that?

Dont you have any feelings for the young children whom you are cheating? I hope you get caught.

[BuddhistVirus]

I'm not naive, and yes, off course I try to find the Internet on my smartphone. I can't find any information about working on a non-b, with a fake degree.

So my question again, can you get problems with that?

Come on, man...you may not be naive but,

Why are you so dense?

If you can't figure out whether working with a fake degree will get you in troubles (even after great advice from the members here), then *no suitable words found to continue...