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Israeli arrested after West Bank arson that killed toddler
DANIEL ESTRIN, Associated Press

JERUSALEM (AP) — Israel said Tuesday it was interrogating the suspected head of a Jewish extremist group in the first arrest of an Israeli suspect following last week's arson attack in the West Bank that killed a Palestinian toddler and wounded his brother and parents.

According to the Shin Bet security agency, 23-year-old Meir Ettinger was arrested late Monday for "involvement in an extremist Jewish organization."

The agency would not say if he is also suspected in the July 31 arson attack, but it has accused Ettinger of heading an extremist movement seeking to bring about religious "redemption" through attacks on Christian sites and Palestinian homes.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has pledged "zero tolerance" for Jewish terrorism following a pair of deadly attacks by extremists. The Palestinians toddler was burned to death a day after an anti-gay ultra-Orthodox man stabbed a 16-year-old Jewish girl during a rampage against marchers at Jerusalem's gay pride parade. The teenage girl later died.

Authorities are now expected to crack down much harder on suspected Jewish extremist cells, particularly among West Bank settler youths.

Israeli media have dubbed Ettinger as the Shin Bet's "number one" most wanted Jewish extremist. He has been arrested several times before and banned from the West Bank. Ettinger is also the grandson of the late Rabbi Meir Kahane, an ultranationalist whose party was banned from Israel's parliament for its racist views in 1988. Kahane was killed by an Arab gunman in 1990.

Ettinger has denied leading an extremist movement. His lawyer, Yuval Zemer, told Israel's Army Radio that authorities arrested his client to appease an Israeli public outraged by the arson attack.

"There was no urgent need to arrest here, other than some kind of desire to show, 'Here, we're doing something, here, we're arresting,'" said Zemer. "Of course, what is better than the number one most wanted target?"

The arrest comes on the heels of a violent spate of attacks in Israel and the Palestinian territories that threatened to ignite widespread violence in the region.

The Shin Bet would not say whether Ettinger had anything to do with the attack on the West Bank home, which killed 18-month-old Ali Dawabsheh and severely injured his parents and 4-year-old brother.

However, the agency singled out Ettinger two days before the attack, when it announced it had uncovered a Jewish extremist movement of young settler activists responsible for a June arson attack of the Church of the Multiplication of the Loaves and Fish, a prominent Catholic church near the Sea of Galilee, and a number of other hate crimes. The Shin Bet at the time accused Ettinger of heading the movement.

Authorities said last week they have filed indictments against two other young Israeli extremists and arrested three others in connection with the church arson attack. The Shin Bet said Ettinger's group vandalized a number of Christian religious sites in the past two years, tried to disrupt Pope Benedict XVI's 2014 visit to the Holy Land, and committed "more significant terrorist attacks of arson" against Palestinian homes in the West Bank over the past year.

A month before the attack on the church, Ettinger called on his blog for more attacks on Christian religious sites. He had lived in recent months in unauthorized Jewish settlement encampments in the West Bank set up by the "hilltop youth," the Shin Bet said, using a term referring to radicalized Jewish teen squatters on West Bank hilltops who have been known to attack Palestinians and their property.

Six months ago, authorities signed a year-long order preventing Ettinger from entering Jerusalem and the West Bank settlements, saying he posed a danger there. He moved to the northern city of Tzfat, a hub for Jewish religious mystics.

In a blog post, Ettinger denied the Shin Bet's accusation that he leads an extremist organization.

"There is no terror organization, but there are many, many Jews, many more than people think, whose value system is completely different than that of the Israeli Supreme Court or the Shin Bet," he wrote in a July 30 blog post. "The laws they are bound by are not the State's laws ... but laws that are much more eternal and real."

Also Tuesday, Israeli security forces demolished a Jewish settlement house in an outpost of the Eli settlement that had been built illegally on private Palestinian land in the West Bank. COGAT, the defense body that handles civilian issues with the Palestinians, said the demolition was coordinated with the settlers and there were no protests.

Last week, settlers clashed with Israeli troops as Israeli bulldozers demolished a contested housing complex in another Jewish settlement in the West Bank.

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"Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has pledged "zero tolerance" for Jewish terrorism "

At least now the term must be accepted as referring to real Jewish people and people won't get all outraged at the "offensive slander".

I'll believe Israel is serious about terrorism against Palestinians when there is a conviction and a fair sentence that is served in full. Mind you, he is accused of terrorism against Christians too, so that will play against him.

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"Extremist group" and "extremist organizations" are mentioned several times in the OP. But what is not mentioned is how these groups and organizations have been operating with impunity and the tacit approval of the Israeli government and citizenry for a very long time.

There have been hundreds of despicable incidents just like this over the years, but take a guess at how many convictions.

The only reason this particular violent attack is getting attention is due to the fact that an infant was murdered by these scum.

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"Extremist group" and "extremist organizations" are mentioned several times in the OP. But what is not mentioned is how these groups and organizations have been operating with impunity and the tacit approval of the Israeli government and citizenry for a very long time.

There have been hundreds of despicable incidents just like this over the years, but take a guess at how many convictions.

The only reason this particular violent attack is getting attention is due to the fact that an infant was murdered by these scum.

Let me assure you that for every one of the ' hundreds of despicable incidents ' there were a dozen of despicable similar act, and much worse, perpetrated by zealous Palestinians, the only different is that the Palestinians people condone and cheer such acts egging on for more of the same, while terror acts perpetrated by an Israeli, the Israelis, in most part, condemn and disapprove any act of violent...

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"Extremist group" and "extremist organizations" are mentioned several times in the OP. But what is not mentioned is how these groups and organizations have been operating with impunity and the tacit approval of the Israeli government and citizenry for a very long time.

There have been hundreds of despicable incidents just like this over the years, but take a guess at how many convictions.

The only reason this particular violent attack is getting attention is due to the fact that an infant was murdered by these scum.

Let me assure you that for every one of the ' hundreds of despicable incidents ' there were a dozen of despicable similar act, and much worse, perpetrated by zealous Palestinians, the only different is that the Palestinians people condone and cheer such acts egging on for more of the same, while terror acts perpetrated by an Israeli, the Israelis, in most part, condemn and disapprove any act of violent...

No, the biggest difference is that thousands of Palestinians get arrested and imprisoned AND thousands of Palestinians get killed, AND it is used as an excuse to build more settlements.

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"Also Tuesday, Israeli security forces demolished a Jewish settlement house in an outpost of the Eli settlement that had been built illegally on private Palestinian land in the West Bank. COGAT, the defense body that handles civilian issues with the Palestinians, said the demolition was coordinated with the settlers and there were no protests."

Well, that's a good thing...if the house was in fact just spontaneously and illegally built. Quite possible that it was deliberately built as a show home for demolition.

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"Extremist group" and "extremist organizations" are mentioned several times in the OP. But what is not mentioned is how these groups and organizations have been operating with impunity and the tacit approval of the Israeli government and citizenry for a very long time.

There have been hundreds of despicable incidents just like this over the years, but take a guess at how many convictions.

The only reason this particular violent attack is getting attention is due to the fact that an infant was murdered by these scum.

Let me assure you that for every one of the ' hundreds of despicable incidents ' there were a dozen of despicable similar act, and much worse, perpetrated by zealous Palestinians

Dozens? Really? You either have no idea what you're talking about or you need to get your calculator fixed.

You wrote "much worse". Just out of curiosity, what's "much worse" than burning an 18 month old infant to death? bah.gif

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The murder of the 18 month old baby girl was inevitable due to the climate of impunity under which Jewish settler terrorist gangs operate.


"According to the UN, at least 120 attacks by Israeli settlers have been documented in the occupied West Bank since the beginning of 2015.


A recent report by Yesh Din, an Israeli human rights organisation, showed that more than 92.6 percent of complaints Palestinians lodge with the Israeli police go without charges being filed."



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How could this Jewish terrorist get into the West Bank if he was banned from the area? I'm under the impression that security is quite tight...or is security only tight towards non-Israelis?

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"Extremist group" and "extremist organizations" are mentioned several times in the OP. But what is not mentioned is how these groups and organizations have been operating with impunity and the tacit approval of the Israeli government and citizenry for a very long time.

There have been hundreds of despicable incidents just like this over the years, but take a guess at how many convictions.

The only reason this particular violent attack is getting attention is due to the fact that an infant was murdered by these scum.

Let me assure you that for every one of the ' hundreds of despicable incidents ' there were a dozen of despicable similar act, and much worse, perpetrated by zealous Palestinians, the only different is that the Palestinians people condone and cheer such acts egging on for more of the same, while terror acts perpetrated by an Israeli, the Israelis, in most part, condemn and disapprove any act of violent...

No, the biggest difference is that thousands of Palestinians get arrested and imprisoned AND thousands of Palestinians get killed, AND it is used as an excuse to build more settlements.

Lets not forget the double standard on "illegal" buildings. While Palestinian buildings constructed without permits are demolished, it rarely happens with illegal Israeli houses. Had not the settlers murdered a child by burning it to death, nothing would be happening now.

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"Extremist group" and "extremist organizations" are mentioned several times in the OP. But what is not mentioned is how these groups and organizations have been operating with impunity and the tacit approval of the Israeli government and citizenry for a very long time.

There have been hundreds of despicable incidents just like this over the years, but take a guess at how many convictions.

The only reason this particular violent attack is getting attention is due to the fact that an infant was murdered by these scum.

Let me assure you that for every one of the ' hundreds of despicable incidents ' there were a dozen of despicable similar act, and much worse, perpetrated by zealous Palestinians, the only different is that the Palestinians people condone and cheer such acts egging on for more of the same, while terror acts perpetrated by an Israeli, the Israelis, in most part, condemn and disapprove any act of violent...

The difference is that Israelis try to stop incidents like these committed by Jews. The Palestinians cheer on the perpetrators and deem them martyrs - not just Hamas either.

http://palwatch.org/main.aspx?fi=448

http://www.algemeiner.com/2015/04/20/pa-president-abbas-honors-fatah-terrorists-in-official-ceremony/

http://www.timesofisrael.com/fatah-honors-jerusalem-hit-and-run-terrorist/

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And there I was thinking this was a thread about an extremist burning a house and killing a baby.

But no, this must be a thread about how the Palestinians are thought to be worse even though there is not a shred of evidence this Palestinian family have done anything wrong at all, except live in an area settlers want.

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"Extremist group" and "extremist organizations" are mentioned several times in the OP. But what is not mentioned is how these groups and organizations have been operating with impunity and the tacit approval of the Israeli government and citizenry for a very long time.

There have been hundreds of despicable incidents just like this over the years, but take a guess at how many convictions.

The only reason this particular violent attack is getting attention is due to the fact that an infant was murdered by these scum.

Let me assure you that for every one of the ' hundreds of despicable incidents ' there were a dozen of despicable similar act, and much worse, perpetrated by zealous Palestinians, the only different is that the Palestinians people condone and cheer such acts egging on for more of the same, while terror acts perpetrated by an Israeli, the Israelis, in most part, condemn and disapprove any act of violent...

Last tim I checked, it was Israel which encouraged the illegal settlements...

With only 1.2% of palestinians being able to see justice when settlers trample their land, crush their houses and fields...

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"Extremist group" and "extremist organizations" are mentioned several times in the OP. But what is not mentioned is how these groups and organizations have been operating with impunity and the tacit approval of the Israeli government and citizenry for a very long time.

There have been hundreds of despicable incidents just like this over the years, but take a guess at how many convictions.

The only reason this particular violent attack is getting attention is due to the fact that an infant was murdered by these scum.

Let me assure you that for every one of the ' hundreds of despicable incidents ' there were a dozen of despicable similar act, and much worse, perpetrated by zealous Palestinians, the only different is that the Palestinians people condone and cheer such acts egging on for more of the same, while terror acts perpetrated by an Israeli, the Israelis, in most part, condemn and disapprove any act of violent...

The difference is that Israelis try to stop incidents like these committed by Jews. The Palestinians cheer on the perpetrators and deem them martyrs - not just Hamas either.

http://palwatch.org/main.aspx?fi=448

http://www.algemeiner.com/2015/04/20/pa-president-abbas-honors-fatah-terrorists-in-official-ceremony/

http://www.timesofisrael.com/fatah-honors-jerusalem-hit-and-run-terrorist/

Wrong, it happens only because it reached the international news,...NGOs stated that only 1.2 % of palestinians suffering from settlers action will have the right to sue them and attend trials

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"Extremist group" and "extremist organizations" are mentioned several times in the OP. But what is not mentioned is how these groups and organizations have been operating with impunity and the tacit approval of the Israeli government and citizenry for a very long time.

There have been hundreds of despicable incidents just like this over the years, but take a guess at how many convictions.

The only reason this particular violent attack is getting attention is due to the fact that an infant was murdered by these scum.

Let me assure you that for every one of the ' hundreds of despicable incidents ' there were a dozen of despicable similar act, and much worse, perpetrated by zealous Palestinians, the only different is that the Palestinians people condone and cheer such acts egging on for more of the same, while terror acts perpetrated by an Israeli, the Israelis, in most part, condemn and disapprove any act of violent...

No, the biggest difference is that thousands of Palestinians get arrested and imprisoned AND thousands of Palestinians get killed, AND it is used as an excuse to build more settlements.
You avoided countering his assertion about the frequency of Palestinian attacks on civilians because the facts speak for themselves.

http://elderofziyon.blogspot.co.il/2015/08/by-way-arabs-throw-firebombs-at-jews.html

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And there I was thinking this was a thread about an extremist burning a house and killing a baby.

But no, this must be a thread about how the Palestinians are thought to be worse even though there is not a shred of evidence this Palestinian family have done anything wrong at all, except live in an area settlers want.

An Israeli apparently commits murder, there is universal condemnation amongst the Israeli public, there is a peace demonstration. The prime minister visits the survivors in hospital. No sweets were handed out in celebration, no square will be named after the murderer. The difference is as clear as that between night and day, don't take it from me take it from a Palestinian.

http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/6281/palestinians-israel-terror-shame

Each time Abbas reluctantly condemns a Palestinian terror attack, he faces a wave of criticism from many Palestinians. Unlike the Israeli public, many Palestinians often rush to justify, and even welcome, terror attacks against Jews. Has there ever been a Palestinian activist who dared to hold a rally in a Palestinian city to condemn suicide bombings or the murder of an entire Jewish family? The Israeli president has good reason to feel ashamed for the murder of the baby. But when will we Palestinians ever have a sense of shame over the way we react to the murder of Jews?

Not that any of our esteemed members care a jot for the truth.

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And there I was thinking this was a thread about an extremist burning a house and killing a baby.

But no, this must be a thread about how the Palestinians are thought to be worse even though there is not a shred of evidence this Palestinian family have done anything wrong at all, except live in an area settlers want.

An Israeli apparently commits murder, there is universal condemnation amongst the Israeli public, there is a peace demonstration. The prime minister visits the survivors in hospital. No sweets were handed out in celebration, no square will be named after the murderer. The difference is as clear as that between night and day, don't take it from me take it from a Palestinian.

http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/6281/palestinians-israel-terror-shame

Not that any of our esteemed members care a jot for the truth.

Off topic. This thread is not about what Palestinians do. It is what the Israeli terrorist did to an innocent family

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The murder of the 18 month old baby girl was inevitable due to the climate of impunity under which Jewish settler terrorist gangs operate.

"According to the UN, at least 120 attacks by Israeli settlers have been documented in the occupied West Bank since the beginning of 2015.

A recent report by Yesh Din, an Israeli human rights organisation, showed that more than 92.6 percent of complaints Palestinians lodge with the Israeli police go without charges being filed."

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/inpictures/2015/08/anger-frustration-killing-palestinian-baby-150801113811032.html

Perhaps that's because there is insufficient evidence or outright fakery Pallywood style.

https://themuslimissue.wordpress.com/2015/08/03/israel-muslim-in-family-feud-report-fake-hate-crime-blaming-it-on-jewish-extremist/

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How could this Jewish terrorist get into the West Bank if he was banned from the area?

An excellent point that warrants further investigation. The UN should be tasked to determine whether or not the Israeli regime was complicit in this latest atrocity.

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Of course these atrocities perpetrated by nutjob Jewish terrorist gangs would not be happening if Israel ceased its illegal occupation of the West Bank.


Israel can't go on like this forever, pretending to be a modern civilized European style democracy while encouraging religious fanatics to colonize land destined for a future Palestinian state.


The world will not tolerate another round of ethnic cleansing by Israel, so why dont the Israelis just bite the bullet and establish a just peace in a 2 state solution roughly along 67 borders, which will keep the two peoples apart for a decade or so until trust is rebuilt. End the occupation; end these attacks.

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"Extremist group" and "extremist organizations" are mentioned several times in the OP. But what is not mentioned is how these groups and organizations have been operating with impunity and the tacit approval of the Israeli government and citizenry for a very long time.

There have been hundreds of despicable incidents just like this over the years, but take a guess at how many convictions.

The only reason this particular violent attack is getting attention is due to the fact that an infant was murdered by these scum.

Let me assure you that for every one of the ' hundreds of despicable incidents ' there were a dozen of despicable similar act, and much worse, perpetrated by zealous Palestinians, the only different is that the Palestinians people condone and cheer such acts egging on for more of the same, while terror acts perpetrated by an Israeli, the Israelis, in most part, condemn and disapprove any act of violent...

No, the biggest difference is that thousands of Palestinians get arrested and imprisoned AND thousands of Palestinians get killed, AND it is used as an excuse to build more settlements.
You avoided countering his assertion about the frequency of Palestinian attacks on civilians because the facts speak for themselves.

http://elderofziyon.blogspot.co.il/2015/08/by-way-arabs-throw-firebombs-at-jews.html

"Avoiding" is staying on topic. And anyway, the main difference is the huge disparity in what happens after a terrorist attack; On the one hand heavy retribution with thousands of civilian deaths, on the other, an arrest, some time in a holding cell, and then "insufficient evidence" and the Jewish terrorist goes free.

I take it that the next time a Jewish terrorist commits murder, you will find it quite right and proper for Palestinians to exact heavy and punishing retribution on Israeli citizens? Of course you wouldn't, and neither would I. This tit for tat (TIT for tat) has to stop, and it has to stop with the withdrawal from occupation.

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Of course these atrocities perpetrated by nutjob Jewish terrorist gangs would not be happening if Israel ceased its illegal occupation of the West Bank.

Israel can't go on like this forever, pretending to be a modern civilized European style democracy while encouraging religious fanatics to colonize land destined for a future Palestinian state.

The world will not tolerate another round of ethnic cleansing by Israel, so why dont the Israelis just bite the bullet and establish a just peace in a 2 state solution roughly along 67 borders, which will keep the two peoples apart for a decade or so until trust is rebuilt. End the occupation; end these attacks.

There would be no price tag terrorism without Palestinian terrorism. Aside from the rest of your double standards and hypocrisy let's wait for due process here before making premature judgements, I wouldn't be amazed if the murder turned out to be Palestinians setting up another crime to blame on the settlers, wouldn't it be embarrassing for the press, UN or our esteemed members to quickly have to drop an inquisition and change the subject in case their double standards were again called out.

http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/2015/08/the-jewish-sickness-vic-rosenthal.html?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed

And a second link suggesting something doesn't smell right about the Duma murder.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/wap/Item.aspx?type=0&item=198961

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Of course these atrocities perpetrated by nutjob Jewish terrorist gangs would not be happening if Israel ceased its illegal occupation of the West Bank.

Israel can't go on like this forever, pretending to be a modern civilized European style democracy while encouraging religious fanatics to colonize land destined for a future Palestinian state.

The world will not tolerate another round of ethnic cleansing by Israel, so why dont the Israelis just bite the bullet and establish a just peace in a 2 state solution roughly along 67 borders, which will keep the two peoples apart for a decade or so until trust is rebuilt. End the occupation; end these attacks.

There would be no price tag terrorism without Palestinian terrorism. Aside from the rest of your double standards and hypocrisy let's wait for due process here before making premature judgements, I wouldn't be amazed if the murder turned out to be Palestinians setting up another crime to blame on the settlers, wouldn't it be embarrassing for the press, UN or our esteemed members to quickly have to drop an inquisition and change the subject in case their double standards were again called out.

http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/2015/08/the-jewish-sickness-vic-rosenthal.html?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed

And a second link suggesting something doesn't smell right about the Duma murder.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/wap/Item.aspx?type=0&item=198961

There would be much less terrorism, especially in OCCUPIED territories IF the settlers stopped their ILLEGAL settlements...For now the far right wing settlers can do whatever they want without nearly any problem.

And about your assertion that this was a "false flag" attack, I still wait your evidences...for now we know that those actions against Palestinians are nearly happening daily and it just surfaced and action were taken because of the international condamnation and because another one involved the killing of gay supporters from israel...otherwise nothing would have happen..I highly doubt any peaful protest from Israeli would happen if it was just about a palestinian toddler..

But one more time you divert the event to focus on the "other side"

Last time I checked it was Israel which occupy the Palestinian territories, not the other way

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A spokesman for Rabbis for Human Rights told Al Jazeera Arabic that this is the tenth attack on Nablus by settlers in July. A statement issued by the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) provided an even more alarming statistic, putting the number of Jewish settlers' attacks, some of them lethal, at an estimated 11,000 since the end of 2014.

Ali Dawabsha is not the first Palestinian child to be burnt to death, although the story of Mohamed Abu Khdeir who was tortured and burnt alive by a group of Jewish extremists in July 2014 now serves as a hideous benchmark for Israeli settler violence, which is often conducted under the watchful eye of - or as part of larger violent campaign led by - the Israeli army.

Despite Israeli political theater and statements of condemnations following Abu Khdeir's grisly murder, Israeli violence against Palestinians is part and parcel of Israel's Occupation policy, draped in numerous crimes gone unpunished.

Little Ali is no different from the 490 Palestinians killed in Israel's last summer war on Gaza, which killed nearly 2,200 Palestinians, mostly civilians. The Dawabsha family home, which was completely burnt, (while Ali's mother, father and brother, Ahmed, all sustained serious burns) was no different from the 20,000 Gaza homes which, according to the UN,were destroyed during the Israeli carnage in the Strip.

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"Extremist group" and "extremist organizations" are mentioned several times in the OP. But what is not mentioned is how these groups and organizations have been operating with impunity and the tacit approval of the Israeli government and citizenry for a very long time.

There have been hundreds of despicable incidents just like this over the years, but take a guess at how many convictions.

The only reason this particular violent attack is getting attention is due to the fact that an infant was murdered by these scum.

Let me assure you that for every one of the ' hundreds of despicable incidents ' there were a dozen of despicable similar act, and much worse, perpetrated by zealous Palestinians, the only different is that the Palestinians people condone and cheer such acts egging on for more of the same, while terror acts perpetrated by an Israeli, the Israelis, in most part, condemn and disapprove any act of violent...

No, the biggest difference is that thousands of Palestinians get arrested and imprisoned AND thousands of Palestinians get killed, AND it is used as an excuse to build more settlements.
You avoided countering his assertion about the frequency of Palestinian attacks on civilians because the facts speak for themselves.

http://elderofziyon.blogspot.co.il/2015/08/by-way-arabs-throw-firebombs-at-jews.html

This thread is about how ISRAELI settlers burned a child alive.

Anyway, I thought the wonderful wall had stopped most Palestinian attacks, or is it useless? The Iron Dome is supposed to stop rocket attacks, or is that useless too?

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Ah yes, this was the 'heroic martyrdom operation' as Abbas characterized it. Never appeared on the BBC until Israeli troops arrested the suspects. The same BBC ran the Duma murder as its world news headline on its website. Little wonder Israelis view foreign media with contempt

P.s Al Jazeera is a joke not a media service, funded by the same Qatar that donated $1.6 billion to Hamas to build terror tunnels with, the construction of which lead directly to the deaths of 160 Palestinian child laborers.

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