Koh Tao murder trial reconvenes in Koh Samui

[BritTim]

Worth also mentioning is that the bodies were not frozen on the beach at the murder scene. A doctor (who one would assume capable of using a rectal thermometer even if the police could not) was called to the crime scene soon after the first police arrived. Presumably, the police present did not ask the doctor to estimate time of death because they did not consider it relevant.

[catsanddogs]

But DNA found on Miss Witheridge’s body and a cigarette butt nearby did not match samples taken from three Westerners, including Chris, and nine migrant workers.

http://liverpoolinnews.com/agony-of-british-beach-murder-victims-family-as-clueless-thai-police-probe-descends-into-farce-after-dna-tests-clear-jersey-brothers-and-10-other-suspects-over-their-deaths/

Anyone know who the other two 'westerners' were whose DNA did not match apart from Chris Ware? As far as I'm aware, there has never been any mention of the two young blonde men sitting at the back of this photo.

[Madaussie]

I have to add my thoughts on this.

Hannah god bless her, managed through her trauma before she died to hang onto the murderers hair inc root. That was her gift to finding the person who done it.

And they Loose it?? or they argue over where it is and don't test it......... Oh Jesus, god give me strength to carry on reading this trial. Honestly I am lost for words at the ineptitude of the whole Police Farce.

Although nuclear DNA cannot be isolated from the hair shaft since it is mostly absent as a result of the aforementioned cornification, nuclear DNA can successfully be extracted from the hair root. The hair root contains keratinocytes, cells which are ideal for the extraction of nuclear DNA.

http://www.forensicmag.com/articles/2013/04/challenges-dna-testing-and-forensic-analysis-hair-samples

Includes this

Highly advanced DNA testing techniques, resources, money, and time are all factors which come into play when carrying out a DNA test. Forensic laboratories used by the FBI have more resources to allocate toward trying to extract a complete DNA profile from whichever sample is available, no matter how small the probability of successful extraction of DNA is. Thus, in crime scene investigations where meticulous searches by forensic teams yield a single hair, without the root or follicle, thorough and extensive DNA analysis will still be carried out despite the very low chances of success.

Edited September 1, 2015 by Madaussie

[Nigeone]

I have to add my thoughts on this.

Hannah god bless her, managed through her trauma before she died to hang onto the murderers hair inc root. That was her gift to finding the person who done it.

And they Loose it?? or they argue over where it is and don't test it......... Oh Jesus, god give me strength to carry on reading this trial. Honestly I am lost for words at the ineptitude of the whole Police Farce.

Although nuclear DNA cannot be isolated from the hair shaft since it is mostly absent as a result of the aforementioned cornification, nuclear DNA can successfully be extracted from the hair root. The hair root contains keratinocytes, cells which are ideal for the extraction of nuclear DNA.

http://www.forensicmag.com/articles/2013/04/challenges-dna-testing-and-forensic-analysis-hair-samples

Includes this

Highly advanced DNA testing techniques, resources, money, and time are all factors which come into play when carrying out a DNA test. Forensic laboratories used by the FBI have more resources to allocate toward trying to extract a complete DNA profile from whichever sample is available, no matter how small the probability of successful extraction of DNA is. Thus, in crime scene investigations where meticulous searches by forensic teams yield a single hair, without the root or follicle, thorough and extensive DNA analysis will still be carried out despite the very low chances of success.

I know you probably know this but there was never any intention in my opinion to try and find the perps of this crime. It has been many peoples opinion on here that right from day one the B2 where scapegoats and now after the prosecution have finished there case it's clear that they were. No evidence to suggest they were remotely involved. Now as to who were involved!! Won't have to look far I feel.! Edited September 1, 2015 by Nigeone

[Madaussie]

I have to add my thoughts on this.

Hannah god bless her, managed through her trauma before she died to hang onto the murderers hair inc root. That was her gift to finding the person who done it.

And they Loose it?? or they argue over where it is and don't test it......... Oh Jesus, god give me strength to carry on reading this trial. Honestly I am lost for words at the ineptitude of the whole Police Farce.

Although nuclear DNA cannot be isolated from the hair shaft since it is mostly absent as a result of the aforementioned cornification, nuclear DNA can successfully be extracted from the hair root. The hair root contains keratinocytes, cells which are ideal for the extraction of nuclear DNA.

http://www.forensicmag.com/articles/2013/04/challenges-dna-testing-and-forensic-analysis-hair-samples

Includes this

Highly advanced DNA testing techniques, resources, money, and time are all factors which come into play when carrying out a DNA test. Forensic laboratories used by the FBI have more resources to allocate toward trying to extract a complete DNA profile from whichever sample is available, no matter how small the probability of successful extraction of DNA is. Thus, in crime scene investigations where meticulous searches by forensic teams yield a single hair, without the root or follicle, thorough and extensive DNA analysis will still be carried out despite the very low chances of success.

I know you probably know this but there was never any intention in my opinion to try and find the perps of this crime. It has been many peoples opinion on here that right from day one the B2 where scapegoats and now after the prosecution have finished there case it's clear that they were. No evidence to suggest they were remotely involved. Now as to who were involved!! Won't have to look far I feel.!

I Agree.

One can only imagine the grief Hannah's parents must be going through having to read this in their local newspaper...

[catsanddogs]

But DNA found on Miss Witheridge’s body and a cigarette butt nearby did not match samples taken from three Westerners, including Chris, and nine migrant workers.

http://liverpoolinnews.com/agony-of-british-beach-murder-victims-family-as-clueless-thai-police-probe-descends-into-farce-after-dna-tests-clear-jersey-brothers-and-10-other-suspects-over-their-deaths/

Anyone know who the other two 'westerners' were whose DNA did not match apart from Chris Ware? As far as I'm aware, there has never been any mention of the two young blonde men sitting at the back of this photo.

Of course - James Ware was one of them. He left the island the day or night before the murders apparently. Was the other one McAnna - anyone know?

[Madaussie]

But DNA found on Miss Witheridge’s body and a cigarette butt nearby did not match samples taken from three Westerners, including Chris, and nine migrant workers.

http://liverpoolinnews.com/agony-of-british-beach-murder-victims-family-as-clueless-thai-police-probe-descends-into-farce-after-dna-tests-clear-jersey-brothers-and-10-other-suspects-over-their-deaths/

Anyone know who the other two 'westerners' were whose DNA did not match apart from Chris Ware? As far as I'm aware, there has never been any mention of the two young blonde men sitting at the back of this photo.

Of course - James Ware was one of them. He left the island the day or night before the murders apparently. Was the other one McAnna - anyone know?

No neither is McAnna. He looks like this.

[catsanddogs]

But DNA found on Miss Witheridge’s body and a cigarette butt nearby did not match samples taken from three Westerners, including Chris, and nine migrant workers.

http://liverpoolinnews.com/agony-of-british-beach-murder-victims-family-as-clueless-thai-police-probe-descends-into-farce-after-dna-tests-clear-jersey-brothers-and-10-other-suspects-over-their-deaths/

Anyone know who the other two 'westerners' were whose DNA did not match apart from Chris Ware? As far as I'm aware, there has never been any mention of the two young blonde men sitting at the back of this photo.

Of course - James Ware was one of them. He left the island the day or night before the murders apparently. Was the other one McAnna - anyone know?

No neither is McAnna. He looks like this.

sean-mcanna-lotus.jpg

Yes. And this is the state of his guitar when he leaves Koh Tao. Not something we should forget.

Edited September 1, 2015 by catsanddogs

[Madaussie]

But DNA found on Miss Witheridge’s body and a cigarette butt nearby did not match samples taken from three Westerners, including Chris, and nine migrant workers.

http://liverpoolinnews.com/agony-of-british-beach-murder-victims-family-as-clueless-thai-police-probe-descends-into-farce-after-dna-tests-clear-jersey-brothers-and-10-other-suspects-over-their-deaths/

Anyone know who the other two 'westerners' were whose DNA did not match apart from Chris Ware? As far as I'm aware, there has never been any mention of the two young blonde men sitting at the back of this photo.

Of course - James Ware was one of them. He left the island the day or night before the murders apparently. Was the other one McAnna - anyone know?

No neither is McAnna. He looks like this.

sean-mcanna-lotus.jpg

Yes. And this is the state of his guitar when he leaves Koh Tao. Not something we should forget.

Don't get me going about McAnna. The one guy who spoke out. Also the guy who was named as seen with a lot of blood on him. Gets police escort of the islands a few hours after his allegations.

Anyway you know this whole case is riddle with madness. And one I doubt we will never work out unless someone pillow talks after a heavy night or bout of guilt Don't hold your breath though..

[Nigeone]

But DNA found on Miss Witheridges body and a cigarette butt nearby did not match samples taken from three Westerners, including Chris, and nine migrant workers.

http://liverpoolinnews.com/agony-of-british-beach-murder-victims-family-as-clueless-thai-police-probe-descends-into-farce-after-dna-tests-clear-jersey-brothers-and-10-other-suspects-over-their-deaths/

Anyone know who the other two 'westerners' were whose DNA did not match apart from Chris Ware? As far as I'm aware, there has never been any mention of the two young blonde men sitting at the back of this photo.

Of course - James Ware was one of them. He left the island the day or night before the murders apparently. Was the other one McAnna - anyone know?

No neither is McAnna. He looks like this.

sean-mcanna-lotus.jpg

Yes. And this is the state of his guitar when he leaves Koh Tao. Not something we should forget.

Don't get me going about McAnna. The one guy who spoke out. Also the guy who was named as seen with a lot of blood on him. Gets police escort of the islands a few hours after his allegations.

Anyway you know this whole case is riddle with madness. And one I doubt we will never work out unless someone pillow talks after a heavy night or bout of guilt Don't hold your breath though..

Actually I'm 100% confident that someone will spill the beans or as I've said before one of the UK Sunday papers will latch on to it, probably already are, and the truth will come out. This whole case is unprecedented in Thai courts and there is generally a interest in this case. Let's be honest here whoever gets the real story is going to sell so many papers etc. not what's important to most including me I might add but a paper could bring down the court and police set up in Thailand overnight if the real story comes out. And as I said It will for sure. Money and time will ensure it will.

Edited September 1, 2015 by Nigeone

[silverado]

Nonsense.! Not going to bother to argue your comments as they don't deserve any input I'm afraid.

Not going to ignore as its always interesting to see the depths some people go to to defend the indefensible.

+100

I did respond but my post was deleted due to some rule about not altering the original post etc.

Instead of reposting, I will follow your sterling example and not waste bandwidth on nonsense posts which contains only misinformation and distorted views.

The burning question in my mind is why some go to great extents to defend the indefensible. Business interests as suggested by the mad Aussie? Don't think so. Life continues as usual on KT, most of the tourists there today are not even aware of the gruesome deeds committed just a year ago. Seems that business is roaring over there.

Family connections? Possible as some posters on here are married to Thais.

Financial incentives? Hard to imagine that anyone would sink so low but hey, what do I know?

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Boycott-Koh-Tao-Thailand/340091729498765?fref=ts

[BritTim]

Don't get me going about McAnna. The one guy who spoke out. Also the guy who was named as seen with a lot of blood on him. Gets police escort of the islands a few hours after his allegations.

Anyway you know this whole case is riddle with madness. And one I doubt we will never work out unless someone pillow talks after a heavy night or bout of guilt Don't hold your breath though..

Sigh! No one claiming first hand knowledge, talking about this, and staying alive, will get an official hearing unless backed up with solid evidence. Even then, the evidence may disappear. I am sorry to be so negative, but we must rely on karma to mete out justice to the perpetrators. The only question is whether the two Burmese kids are going to continue to be incarcerated for a crime they probably had nothing to do with.

[BeautifulPain]

The hair only appeared blonde, it could have been light blonde , dark blonde ( which can appear brown )etc many different shades. Blonde haired people like myself also can have the odd strand of brown hair, likewise dark brown hair can have the odd strand of light brown which can appear blonde. If the report of Hannah clutching it in her hand is true and the hair was not pursued vigorously it's disgraceful.

Not a lot has been mentioned about the last witness, so why was he allowed to use up another full day? What exactly did he say? Either nobody is reporting what important things he disclosed or the rtp are plain and simple making it as difficult and prolonged for the defence as possible.

I don't know the Thai legal system very well, so I may be wrong here, but one thing that worries me is if the defence had some concrete evidence to refute the DNA then could they have not already of disclosed it ? Pretty much ending the prosecutions case. We shall wait and see but maybe they think they can discredit the allegations poking holes in the prosecutions case without refuting the DNA.

It would be up in the air then about the DNA, the only likely train of thought if the above is true I can see is if they truly think the rtp will plant / change DNA when re tested and don't want to risk having a result which they could not explain.

The b2 testimony will be the first card used by the defence which also could fit in with them not having had a test done which proves it was not the b2 DNA profile.

Also fellow posters beware that certain people maybe have more than one account bickering with each other to further derail, just a thought.

Still not 100% sure that the b2 are innocent of everything but I'm leaning towards a not guilty verdict, just hope justice prevails for everybody involved

[smedly]

From the above article published today http://www.mmtimes.com/index.php/in-depth/16238-koh-tao-accused-to-take-the-stand-as-defence-case-begins.html

“A number of significant leads were not followed up by the police – they only focused on these two men,” Mr Hall said.

Those leads include the argument that Ms Witheridge allegedly had been at Koh Tao’s AC Bar with Thai locals that some say she knew previously.

Well it should not be too hard to find the 'some' if a freelance journalist knows about it.

A lead means there was already suspicion, the point being it was never followed up by the RTP and they did infact admit this in court already hence the statement above. They were solely focusing on the B2 and nobody else

I believe the guy said it was a rumor. It seems if there was any substantial evidence that Ms. Witheridge had contact with locals it would not have needed to be followed. The alleged contact would have occurred in some public place not in some mystery rendezvous destination that would have indeed required 'following up".

contact with Thai locals is very common place on these Islands which is why I posted on this topic earlier, IMO it is a coming together that is fraught with danger and a crime rate of Thai on farang that far exceeds any other part of Thailand, I would also note that it is likely that a very large number of these crimes go unreported or investigated, feed those young farang girls up with a cocktail of drink and drugs and they become easy picking, going on for years, anyone resists set the dogs on them...........there are posters on this thread that know exactly what I am talking about

IMO it is a dark dirty evil place that needs a lot of caution especially

[smedly]

From Andy Hall's Twitter account:

Andy Hall ‏@Atomicalandy 23h

23 hours ago

Either 2mrw or 2nd Sept defense witnesses start. Today defense team/translators preparing accused for their testimony

So I was wondering what might be their testimony and their responses on cross but you guys are talking about bail and assisted suicide in prison, huh?

So you believe that's outside the realm of possibilities in Thailand? I think it's a possibility.

I do hope the B2 have more to say other than they were sleeping so have no idea.

they might have little more to say than we already know or have discussed here, would you like them to lie and make it up, I am expecting them to fill in some blanks - like how they got home that morning (prosecution/police claimed on the motorbike) and the route they took raising questions as to why they were not captured on cctv that were obviously working - stuff like that, to me their best defense is raising obvious questions about why the police have covered up or excluded evidence that would debunk the case against them

[smedly]

The phone was dumped there by a friend of the defendants, they gave it to him to throw it away; I suppose giving an expensive phone to someone and saying "dump it in the sea" would sound a little suspicious.

Bullpoo! How do you know that it was dumped there by a "friend" of the defendants? Some friend to dump a piece of incriminating evidence in the garden of the person who had given it to you to dispose of! And in any case, as I have said already, would they not have been more inclined to dispose of it themselves rather than involve a third (or fourth) party?

Because the men on trial already testified that was what happened, in court, on October 14th of last year; a fact that seems remarkably impervious to absorption by some people.

This comes from the defense team:

"14 th Oct: Koh Samui Court holds a preliminary witness hearing for 3 Myanmar prosecution witnesses at risk of disappearing. Zaw Lin and Wai Phyo attend and are represented by lawyers from the Lawyers Council of Thailand (LCT). The witnesses testify: (1) Zaw Lin and Wai Phyo were on Sairee Beach on 14 th Sept. night close to the place where the bodies of Hannah and David were found; (2) Wai Phyo came across a mobile phone he said he found that may have belonged to David but passed it onto his friend."

That friend was the one that dumped it.

The men on trial the B2 did not testify this in court, as you say in your statement which you claim to be "fact". The witnesses did. Unfortunately those witnesses are now back in Burma and cannot be cross examined again.

so anything they were paid to say - make up - right down will not be and should not be admissible in court, ever heard of witness protection and why it exists

[smedly]

Asking someone to wash the alleged murder weapon is destroying the evidence

Yes, that would had been the case if that would had been the case...

"CORRECTION: The beach cleaner who removed the garden hoe from the crime scene did not tell the court he also washed the tool, as was originally reported."

... which it wasn't, so it wasn't.

I'm afraid the police gave contradictory statements (again) to the court about this.

A police officer had earlier testified that the hoe was used to murder the victims, then the blood-stained tool was placed under a bag and discarded on the beach.

But U Oh testified that the hoe was in the same place he left it the night before, the lawyer said.

Also, police cajoled him to say he washed off the blood from the hoe. However, that is not what he told the judge. He said that he had not paid any attention to the hoe and was not aware of whether there was any blood on it or not. https://www.dvb.no/news/police-tried-to-manipulate-koh-tao-witness-court-told/54664

Who would you like to believe, the police or the owner of the Hoe?

or the person that actually did wash the hoe - did so primarily to remove evidence that they or any of their friends ever touched it

I'm going to say this again because it is so obvious - the puncture wounds on Davids body "which are a very unique type of injury" look consistant with a single "shark tooth", and BTW if someone wore such a thing in for example "a ring" it is a display of power and dominance

[canuckamuck]

Please ignore the island apologists they only serve to misdirect, and intimidate.

[smedly]

I know you don't realize how absurd your "scenarios" are.

You are arguing that someone connected with the murder went out of his way to bring back the murder weapon to the crime scene.

We are way under the Dunning-Kruger effect threshold now.

As you say, someone connected to the murder bringing back the murder weapon to the crime scene would be absurd. However, let is change the scenario a little:

You are arguing that someone connected with the murder went out of his way to bring back the alleged murder weapon to the crime scene.

Let us suppose the hoe was not the main murder weapon, but someone wished to make it appear that way. Then, bringing it back into the murder scene is not so absurd any more, is it?

As it happens, one of the first factors that created doubt in my mind about the police investigation was the clear impossibility of the hoe being the cause of most of the injuries, especially David's. I do believe the hoe was used to smash Hannahs head in. The other wounds were caused by something else (according to the Rohingha translators a wine bottle of which no trace has been found). Hannah's blood was found on the hoe, but none of David's. The hoe was not checked for the fingerprints or DNA of those who handled it (both would be expected to exist).

Absurd or not, I believe it quite possible that the crime scene was manipulated, and local police sabotaged the investigation to protect the real perpetrators. Note that I say possible. I am not saying that it is in any way proven.

sorry mate but I have to comment on this

The hoe in this discussion is not something that would be used in an English garden for turning weeds, this particular one is a heavy duty large metal industrial scale tool variety and could easily remove your leg with an accurate blow, now review your post above and tell me it makes sense.

[smedly]

Well the prosecution has finished its solid testimony to convict the violent vicious monsterous Burmese two backed up to the hilt by certain boardmembers!, Unless someone has ripped out my brain and inserted a cabbage then their watertight case has got to be a total joke and anyone who else believes the drivel they came out with needs to have good look at themselves!

I believe there are a couple of cabbage brains posting here, you are not one of them

[smedly]

From the article by Sarah Yuen today:

Mr Miller’s family are attending the latest round of court hearings on Koh Samui but Ms Witheridge’s family are not.

They are receiving daily written reports instead.

I wonder how that works, since no note-taking is allowed in court? It would seem that the Witheridge family are having to rely on the press reports from Sarah Yuen, just like the rest of us.

http://www.eveningnews24.co.uk/news/senior_police_officers_give_contradictory_evidence_at_hannah_witheridge_murder_trial_1_4215995?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed

memory. notes in the breaks. same as Sarah does. In fact she may well be the person they contracted to report for them. She is a very nice lady..

I hope she takes a nice deserved holiday after her dedicated work, I can recommend were not to go but she knows that already

[sweatalot]

Senior police officers give contradictory evidence at Hannah Witheridge murder trial

The presence of a single blonde hair, clutched in the hand of Norfolk student Hannah Witheridge after her death on the island of Koh Tao in Thailand,

has proved that senior police officers gave contradictory evidence at her murder trial.

The hair, which still had the root attached when it was found on Ms Witheridges body by the Royal Thai Police pathologist during her autopsy, was sent for testing.

The strand test revealed it had not come from either 23 year-old Ms Witheridge, or Jersey tourist David Miller, 24, who was murdered alongside her.

http://www.eveningnews24.co.uk/news/senior_police_officers_give_contradictory_evidence_at_hannah_witheridge_murder_trial_1_4215995?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed

Jesus thats pretty damning. We have been lead to believe by another RTP investigator that it was lost and now we have this in court! Wow, so there's a possibility that this could be the killers or at least somebody closely involved in the killings and as yet unidentified! But what we do know it did not belong to the B2 or David.

The defense have not even started yet and we get this on the last day of the prosecution!

Incredible isn't it. If not for the terrible tragedy that this case is about this court case shows up so much the RTP. As I've said many times the prosecution has been the best defense the B2 could have had. God knows what the real defense case has to offer. Not long to wait and am intrigued to hear what the forensic expert has to say. I feel that could be a massive addition to this trial. If I was the RTP I would be seriously worried as this is only going one way. God knows what they will do if they have to appeal.

I would not worry about the result of the trial if it was a western court -- but this is a Thai court

[smedly]

http://www.edp24.co.uk/news/senior_police_officers_give_contradictory_evidence_at_hannah_witheridge_murder_trial_1_4215995

In court today, one of the main police investigators, Lieutenant Colonel Somsak Nurod, said he had spoken to the police pathologist on the 2nd and 3rd of October, at the same time as the defendants were arrested and two weeks after the autopsies, but otherwise he had no further contact with him.

However, the defence lawyers representing the two Myanmar workers produced a statement from the pathologist, stating that Lt Col Nurod had made two separate trips to meet with him in Bangkok in late October, and again on the November 18 after both defendants had retracted their confessions.

The pathologist’s statement said that the meetings had included discussion on the hair found in Ms Witheridge’s hand.

When challenged in court, Lt Col Nurod admitted that further discussion about the hair strand had indeed taken place, but he did not reveal exactly what was said.

Hang on a minute!!!

You mean.... you mean.... someone is actually telling porky pies in court and under oath??!!?? Well, I never.....

and what exactly did you say Lt Col Nimrod.............I don't know

[Miss Bangkok]

Well today is the day many have been waiting for, the start of the Defense Teams period in court. Hopefully we get some good reporting on the court deliberations and some new revelations will come to light.

[sweatalot]

Senior police officers give contradictory evidence at Hannah Witheridge murder trial

The presence of a single blonde hair, clutched in the hand of Norfolk student Hannah Witheridge after her death on the island of Koh Tao in Thailand,

has proved that senior police officers gave contradictory evidence at her murder trial.

The hair, which still had the root attached when it was found on Ms Witheridges body by the Royal Thai Police pathologist during her autopsy, was sent for testing.

The strand test revealed it had not come from either 23 year-old Ms Witheridge, or Jersey tourist David Miller, 24, who was murdered alongside her.

http://www.eveningnews24.co.uk/news/senior_police_officers_give_contradictory_evidence_at_hannah_witheridge_murder_trial_1_4215995?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed

Oh dear, and so it goes on. What evidence that RTP said they had has actually stood up or been produced in court to add strength to there case...Nothing...!! The perfect case! Not. It's actually very very sad that people in this country are putting there faith in such a unprofessional and downright incompetent organisation. There's no way of disguising the fact. They haven't a clue and very sad for innocent people framed for crimes here. They haven't a chance with this set up.

such a unprofessional and downright incompetent organisation.

don't forget unjust, unfair and criminal

[IslandLover]

Worth also mentioning is that the bodies were not frozen on the beach at the murder scene. A doctor (who one would assume capable of using a rectal thermometer even if the police could not) was called to the crime scene soon after the first police arrived. Presumably, the police present did not ask the doctor to estimate time of death because they did not consider it relevant.

They could have established an approximate time of death due to the condition of David Miller's body which was in a state of rigor mortis when photographed floating in the water just before dawn. This had gone by the time his body was photograhed up on the beach when the sun was much higher in the sky (and the victims' clothes were placed in a neat pile on the rocks). Rigor mortis starts 2 to 6 hours after death, although in warm conditions this can occur sooner. Sorry to be so graphic.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rigor_mortis

Read the paragraph titled "Application in forensic pathology", it is very interesting.

[sweatalot]

So will someone in here please sum up the many days and hours of the prosecution case in here please.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

As of now what evidence has the RTP produced in court? to have a conviction of the B2.

DNA evidence....NO

Witness to the event...NO

CCTV images ....NO

Confessions...... NO

Fingerprints or other such evidence......NO

Motive....... NO

Association or link to supposed murder weapon.......NO

Previous of suspects......NO

Am clutching at straws now..feel free to help me.!!

Have I missed something. How the hell did this 'perfect case' make it to court !!

Please....tell me...what evidence has been produced in how many days....NONE !

Thank you prosecution for a perfect defense on behalf of the B2.!!

To sum it up: this all makes it evident that the wrong people are on trial here

So if they are the wrong ones - which one might be the right?

Most of those who followed the case from the beginning believe that Nomsod and Mon and may be others and may be Police General Somiot (- or what is his name?) should be the accused

Please note: we are not saying they did it !

[sweatalot]

So why did they produce the evidence in court as it has no bearing on the prosecutions case.

In fact if anything it undermines it as the hair was supposed to be another nail against the B2.

As far as I know that hair was not part of the evidence presented against the defendants.

Even back in September the police were saying that they couldn't get any useful information out of it.

September 19th: "DNA testing on a strand of blonde hair found in Ms Witheridge's hand also proved inconclusive"

So let's get this right. The hair didn't have any bearing on the prosecution case ! So the hair had to belong to someone but as it didn't fit with the B2 it was dismissed. Criminal. Was it to much to imagine that as it belonged to someone it might have belonged to someone involved in the crime. Maybe to close to home to investigate further.! Alarm bells should have gone off then with the investigation but as we all suspect ,or most of us do, the perps were already identified regardless of evidence. As has been proven over the course of the case. And the actually murderers are still out there and will do again and probably did before too!

the perps were already identified

they were selected seems to be closer to the truth

[sweatalot]

Worth also mentioning is that the bodies were not frozen on the beach at the murder scene. A doctor (who one would assume capable of using a rectal thermometer even if the police could not) was called to the crime scene soon after the first police arrived. Presumably, the police present did not ask the doctor to estimate time of death because they did not consider it relevant.

It seems they did not even consider the death relevant

[sweatalot]

I have to add my thoughts on this.

Hannah god bless her, managed through her trauma before she died to hang onto the murderers hair inc root. That was her gift to finding the person who done it.

And they Loose it?? or they argue over where it is and don't test it......... Oh Jesus, god give me strength to carry on reading this trial. Honestly I am lost for words at the ineptitude of the whole Police Farce.

Although nuclear DNA cannot be isolated from the hair shaft since it is mostly absent as a result of the aforementioned cornification, nuclear DNA can successfully be extracted from the hair root. The hair root contains keratinocytes, cells which are ideal for the extraction of nuclear DNA.

http://www.forensicmag.com/articles/2013/04/challenges-dna-testing-and-forensic-analysis-hair-samples

Includes this

Highly advanced DNA testing techniques, resources, money, and time are all factors which come into play when carrying out a DNA test. Forensic laboratories used by the FBI have more resources to allocate toward trying to extract a complete DNA profile from whichever sample is available, no matter how small the probability of successful extraction of DNA is. Thus, in crime scene investigations where meticulous searches by forensic teams yield a single hair, without the root or follicle, thorough and extensive DNA analysis will still be carried out despite the very low chances of success.

I know you probably know this but there was never any intention in my opinion to try and find the perps of this crime. It has been many peoples opinion on here that right from day one the B2 where scapegoats and now after the prosecution have finished there case it's clear that they were. No evidence to suggest they were remotely involved. Now as to who were involved!! Won't have to look far I feel.!

there was never any intention in my opinion to try and find the perps

may be it was - until big boss from Bangkog took over