July was Earth's hottest month on record, NOAA says

[craigt3365]

I climbed Kili a few years ago. The snows are gone and the glaciers melting at an incredible pace. We can debate all we like, but it's a reality there and dramatically changing the lives of those who depend on the runoff.

I'm not up for a debate on what's causing this, just know the earth is getting warmer and glaciers are melting. Climbed a few in Patagonia a few years ago. How much they've receded is shocking. It'd blow your mind.

You said "...hottest ever..." in a previous post.

"Ever" is a very, very, very long time..... are you sure you mean that ? ?

So often... I see people greatly exaggerate.... and wonder why they do that. The NOAA records only go back to 1880 for that report.... you can hardly call that "...hottest ever..."

But I see eco-socialist activists doing that all the time. Exaggerating as much as they figure they can get away with.

I guess it makes for more sensational alarming reports .. Those Hollywood disaster movies like "Waterworld" (sea level rise), Gores political "An Inconvenient Truth", "The Day After Tomorrow", "Wall*E", etc. must really have effected a lot of people..

We just came out of the Little Ice Age circa 1850.....Are you aware of how horrible a time that was for the people that lived through it ? ? Shorter growing seasons, failed harvests, famine, people gathered indoors more because of the longer, more deadly winters.. spreading disease easier, higher death rates ...especially for the young and ill..

I would expect it to gradually warm for a couple hundred years or so following that.... . Back to levels like during the Medieval Warm Period or the Roman Warm Period or other even warmer periods in the past..

The I.P.C.C. says we warmed only 0.85 degree C between 1880 - 2012. Thank the Gods we have warmed... It's good for the planet. Cold kills many more than warmth..

You find very few people choosing to live in the cold Arctic and Antarctic regions compared to the rest of the world. People I know that can afford it, choose to retire in the hot tropics.... not to the shores of Ellesmere Island or some other Arctic island.

There is no fancy resort or retirement communities at Alert on Ellesmere.... or on the north shore of Alaska or on Baffin Island..

If you know anything about geological and paleo-climatological history on this planet..... you would not find the present warming alarming at all.

It's well within the normal range of variability for this planet. Climate changes... sometimes fast.. sometimes slow... sometimes a little.. sometimes a lot...

Really a very interesting planet.

If you are going to quote somebody, best to use the quote function. I never said hottest ever....but that's what this report is all about. Hottest month on record. I'm sure just after the earth was formed, it was hotter. But that's hardly relevant to us humans with short life spans.

[connda]

What does NASA say? Their data tends to refute NOAA who manipulates there data. NASA data shows no 'warming'. This is political.

[connda]

A few hundred million years of palio-climatology data indicates that earth temps go up and earth temps go down, well before human and large methane farting dinosaurs were here. The cause? Look at that huge bright, yellow object that comes up in the morning and goes down in the even.

But, get enough sheep to drink the evil co2 is causing 'global warming' climate change malarky, and soon you'll be paying carbon credit taxes to the government, all brokered though Carbon Credit markets, of which your idiol Al Gore is intimately involved in. Give it about 10 more years and we'll be in global cooling, so if Al and company can't make the sheep dance in the next 5 years, they'll have problems.

What a crock. Politically motivated junk science used to separate you from as much as your money as the 1%ers can Hoover in. Sheep. Wake up.

[craigt3365]

What does NASA say? Their data tends to refute NOAA who manipulates there data. NASA data shows no 'warming'. This is political.

Links please:

http://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/

Scientific consensus: Earth's climate is warming

Multiple studies published in peer-reviewed scientific journals¹ show that 97 percent or more of actively publishing climate scientists agree: Climate-warming trends over the past century are very likely due to human activities. In addition, most of the leading scientific organizations worldwide have issued public statements endorsing this position. The following is a partial list of these organizations, along with links to their published statements and a selection of related resources.

http://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/

The current warming trend is of particular significance because most of it is very likely human-induced and proceeding at a rate that is unprecedented in the past 1,300 years.¹

[craigt3365]

A few hundred million years of palio-climatology data indicates that earth temps go up and earth temps go down, well before human and large methane farting dinosaurs were here. The cause? Look at that huge bright, yellow object that comes up in the morning and goes down in the even.

But, get enough sheep to drink the evil co2 is causing 'global warming' climate change malarky, and soon you'll be paying carbon credit taxes to the government, all brokered though Carbon Credit markets, of which your idiol Al Gore is intimately involved in. Give it about 10 more years and we'll be in global cooling, so if Al and company can't make the sheep dance in the next 5 years, they'll have problems.

What a crock. Politically motivated junk science used to separate you from as much as your money as the 1%ers can Hoover in. Sheep. Wake up.

From NASA:

[canuckamuck]

A few hundred million years of palio-climatology data indicates that earth temps go up and earth temps go down, well before human and large methane farting dinosaurs were here. The cause? Look at that huge bright, yellow object that comes up in the morning and goes down in the even.

But, get enough sheep to drink the evil co2 is causing 'global warming' climate change malarky, and soon you'll be paying carbon credit taxes to the government, all brokered though Carbon Credit markets, of which your idiol Al Gore is intimately involved in. Give it about 10 more years and we'll be in global cooling, so if Al and company can't make the sheep dance in the next 5 years, they'll have problems.

What a crock. Politically motivated junk science used to separate you from as much as your money as the 1%ers can Hoover in. Sheep. Wake up.

From NASA:

Just to be clear that is a chart on CO2 concentration and not temperature change.

And as scary as that chart is intended to appear; it represents a deviation of only .0001 percent of our atmospheric composition. Not hard to imagine that change is the result of industrialization, but a little harder to imagine we are on the eve of destruction because of it. Even more difficult to imagine is how much industry would have to be switched off forever to move that figure back to even a.00005 percent deviation. We would have to wipe out most of humanity to achieve it.

And considering there is no statistical proof that the current warming is connected to the CO2 increase, would we not be monsters to move down that path?

Pre industrial revolution conditions could not support a 10th of the current population of Earth.

Edited August 21, 2015 by canuckamuck

[craigt3365]

Spot on. Who knows what the future holds. We "could" enter a global cooling period relatively soon! Nobody knows. But I do believe humanity has caused some dramatic changes to our planet. And not for the better.

[sangtip2]

^{Guess we will just have to wait and see}

[Chicog]

Unfortunately it's not happening quick enough to make any of the politicians do anything about it, and they're all bought and paid for anyway.

[GanDoonToonPet]

Unfortunately it's not happening quick enough to make any of the politicians do anything about it, and they're all bought and paid for anyway.

I thought that the naysayers main point was that they're doing too much about it! There's billions going into research, policies implemented on CO2 reduction & energy efficiency targets, grants being given to home-owners for roof / cavity wall insulation etc.

I agree it's not happening fast enough for people to care. Like dying from smoking related cancer, or even death itself, the consequences are so far into the future that people just put it out of their minds; that's if they can even comprehend it.

[Andreas2]

I'm a little bit lazy (and tired) and that's why I would like to link to a post I already made on TVF some weeks ago: http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/834387-students-attend-climate-change-awareness-events/#entry9635705

I just want to share a good news with concerned people as I am sure the msm won't report about this:

Satellites: Earth Is Nearly In Its 21st Year Without Global Warming

“There’s been so much criticism of NOAA’s alteration of the sea surface temperature that we are really just going to have to use the University of East Anglia data,” Pat Michaels, a climate scientist with the libertarian Cato Institute, told The Daily Caller News Foundation.
“I don’t think that’s going to stand the test of time,” Michaels said of NOAA’s recent adjustments.
But what Michaels and others say is more problematic is the growing divergence between NOAA’s new temperature data versus satellite data and records from the UK Met Office. NOAA’s data shows significantly more warming than Met Office or satellite records.
“It’s a major problem because outside of the north polar region, the upper troposphere is supposed to warm faster than the surface,” Michaels said.
“Pretty much every projection made by our climate models for sensible weather is simply not at all trustworthy,” Michaels said.

Full story: http://dailycaller.com/2015/07/17/satellites-earth-is-nearly-in-its-21st-year-without-global-warming/

I'm absolutely in for clean air, clean water, preservation of the environment etc. BUT there is no way, governments can prevent global climate change by more taxation.
Btw, any polution (soil, air,...) on a big scale or deforestation by big corporations can only happen under the toleration and protection of the respective local government providing them with the needed licenses or turning a blind eye on them.

Just food for thought:

What are the scientific explanations that ended the past major ice ages? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_age#Major_ice_ages

Just don't quote explanations such as "A 2012 investigation finds that dinosaurs released methane through digestion in a similar amount to humanity's current methane release, which "could have been a key factor" to the very warm climate 150 million years ago."

Please, please, don't make this old beer bar stool farter feel too bad...

Dinosaurs? Farting? Actually, I already have some very strong feelings of guilt myself. What about you, don't you have these, too?

[connda]

Nobel Laureate Smashes the Global Warming Hoax https://youtu.be/TCy_UOjEir0

[craigt3365]

Nobel Laureate Smashes the Global Warming Hoax https://youtu.be/TCy_UOjEir0

Sharp guy, but not a climatologist. Perhaps like asking a dentist what's going on with your liver. A doctor, yes, but not the right one. Love the first quote on youtube:

It's really sad to see a smart, accomplished person go off the deep end in his later years. Happened to Nikola Tesla, happened to Linus Pauling, and apparently to this guy.

[chuckd]

Following is a link to an interesting article on the "hottest July on record".

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Deceptive temperature record claims

Warmest month announcements have no scientific basis

By Tom Harris - - Sunday, August 23, 2015

The U.S. government is at it again, hyping meaningless records in a parameter that does not exist in order to frighten us about something that doesn’t matter.

NASA and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) announced this week that according to their calculations, July 2015 was the hottest month since instrumental records began in 1880. NOAA says that the record was set by eight one-hundredths of a degree Celsius over that set in July 1998. NASA calculates that July 2015 beat what they assert was the previous warmest month (July 2011) by two one-hundredths of a degree.

But government spokespeople rarely mention the inconvenient fact that these records are being set by less than the uncertainty in the statistics. NOAA claims an uncertainty of 14 one-hundredths of a degree in its temperature averages, or near twice the amount by which they say the record was set. NASA says that their data is typically accurate to one tenth of a degree, five times the amount by which their new record was set.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/aug/23/tom-harris-global-warming-deceptive-temperature-re/

Edited August 24, 2015 by chuckd