Thai authorities intensify laws on child pornography

[manarak]

I find it interesting ot find so many people here talking about how sick this is when so many of the people on this forum browse the "Goods" in Pattaya or Soi Cowboy every night, and I'm not talking about DVD's.

Many of those girls are underage too, even if they don't tell you.

this is simply not true.

[Shawn0001]

Nice try. I read the news. The ladyboy video is a fairly big story.

A quick google revealed what you were talking about, not sure why you were though seeing as that involves university students not children!?!?!? Child porn, you know, children?

Was the mathayom boy jerking in a girls face also a news story?

You can rest easy knowing I do not seek these stories out. Kinda hard to avoid em if you're tuned into the Internet, here or back home. Point I was trying to make though is you've got kids posting their own sexually explicit content these days. But I guess just knowing that makes me a pervert somehow.

A boy in the UK was convicted of distribution of child porn recently for sending pictures of himself to a girl his age. Obviously anyone else who also shared them would be guilty of the same crime. It seems crazy to charge the kids, but once it has been made it doesn't matter where it originated, it is the content that is the issue, and any adults sharing that are guilty just as they would be if the material came from some pedos dungeon.

[Shawn0001]

I find it interesting ot find so many people here talking about how sick this is when so many of the people on this forum browse the "Goods" in Pattaya or Soi Cowboy every night, and I'm not talking about DVD's.

Many of those girls are underage too, even if they don't tell you.

this is simply not true.

What makes you say that? There are stories in the news all the time about police finding underage girls in Bangkok working in the sex industry, it is very common.

[manarak]

I find it interesting ot find so many people here talking about how sick this is when so many of the people on this forum browse the "Goods" in Pattaya or Soi Cowboy every night, and I'm not talking about DVD's.

Many of those girls are underage too, even if they don't tell you.

this is simply not true.

What makes you say that? There are stories in the news all the time about police finding underage girls in Bangkok working in the sex industry, it is very common.

it's not very common.

for every 100 working girls in the tourist areas there are maybe 1 or at most 2 who are underage.

a majority of the news stories about underage girls are about brothels catering to either locals or other asians.

the claim that "many" girls working in tourist areas are underage is simply not true.

[lostoday]

How about those videos making the rounds on FB this month? Thai ladyboys dry humping each other and a mathayom boy jerking off in a girl's face.

Are you asking whether you have been watching child porn? I know I haven't but it certainly sounds like you have!

The video was linked on Thai Visa and it is college age students not children. YOU are the sick one.

[lostoday]

I find it interesting ot find so many people here talking about how sick this is when so many of the people on this forum browse the "Goods" in Pattaya or Soi Cowboy every night, and I'm not talking about DVD's.

Many of those girls are underage too, even if they don't tell you.

this is simply not true.

What makes you say that? There are stories in the news all the time about police finding underage girls in Bangkok working in the sex industry, it is very common.

Have you officially now changed the topic from child porn to underage sex workers?

[brewsterbudgen]

I find it interesting ot find so many people here talking about how sick this is when so many of the people on this forum browse the "Goods" in Pattaya or Soi Cowboy every night, and I'm not talking about DVD's.

Many of those girls are underage too, even if they don't tell you.

That might be your experience and if you look hard enough you might come across some girls aged under 18; pretty sick to do so though. I advise you to check their ID if you have a taste for young looking ones.

[eldragon]

I find it interesting ot find so many people here talking about how sick this is when so many of the people on this forum browse the "Goods" in Pattaya or Soi Cowboy every night, and I'm not talking about DVD's.

Many of those girls are underage too, even if they don't tell you.

this is simply not true.

What makes you say that? There are stories in the news all the time about police finding underage girls in Bangkok working in the sex industry, it is very common.

it's not very common.

for every 100 working girls in the tourist areas there are maybe 1 or at most 2 who are underage.

a majority of the news stories about underage girls are about brothels catering to either locals or other asians.

the claim that "many" girls working in tourist areas are underage is simply not true.

What data are you basing this on? And why does it make a difference who they cater to? Ask around. I think you'll find the number is closer to 1 in 20. We're talking about a country where almost every law is bendable, even murder. With that in mind, why is it that people choose to believe there aren't still a gross amount of underage women in the bars here?

[JeffreyO]

Let's assume what was said was accurate and that 1 or 2 out of 100 was the actual amount (though I seriously doubt it)... that is still 1% - 2%. I consider that not a "small" amount by any means.

[eldragon]

I find it interesting ot find so many people here talking about how sick this is when so many of the people on this forum browse the "Goods" in Pattaya or Soi Cowboy every night, and I'm not talking about DVD's.

Many of those girls are underage too, even if they don't tell you.

Pattaya is a big city and Soi Cowboy has many bars. Have you visited them all to be able to speak with such authority on the presence of children working there?

I've never seen a child working in either of those places but if I did I would inform the authorities. Why didn't you?

B/c the authorities are probably in on it. Or paid well enough to look the other way.

[chrisinth]

Let's assume what was said was accurate and that 1 or 2 out of 100 was the actual amount (though I seriously doubt it)... that is still 1% - 2%. I consider that not a "small" amount by any means.

But is this truly classed as child pornography? To me this is debating underage sex, which is a completely different animal.

Jeff, instead of listening to 2nd & 3rd hand accounts, if you are continuing to make such allegations, why not go out and see for yourself.

Edited September 15, 2015 by chrisinth

[manarak]

it's not very common.

for every 100 working girls in the tourist areas there are maybe 1 or at most 2 who are underage.

a majority of the news stories about underage girls are about brothels catering to either locals or other asians.

the claim that "many" girls working in tourist areas are underage is simply not true.

What data are you basing this on? And why does it make a difference who they cater to? Ask around. I think you'll find the number is closer to 1 in 20. We're talking about a country where almost every law is bendable, even murder. With that in mind, why is it that people choose to believe there aren't still a gross amount of underage women in the bars here?

I visit the bars a lot, my assumption is based on experience over the last 6-7 years.

[manarak]

Let's assume what was said was accurate and that 1 or 2 out of 100 was the actual amount (though I seriously doubt it)... that is still 1% - 2%. I consider that not a "small" amount by any means.

I visit the bars a lot and I can tell you there are no obvious underage girls working in the bars.

In the last 5 years I saw 2 underage girls, both were 17 something and both were easily looking 20 years old.

I consider 1% small.

But not the actual percentage is important, the important thing is that the percentage becomes smaller and smaller because authorities are progressively stamping out underage prostitution.

Another consideration is how destructive it is for society and how damaging for the girls.

That's what warrants police action, not every single case.

If there are a couple of 17 year olds in bars, it's not the end of the world.

Police just needs to continue keeping an eye open and catch the people promoting underage prostitution, so that there are less and less underage prostitutes.

I am all in favor of protecting the girls from being forced to prostitute themselves by their parents and giving them a fair chance to succeed in school.

On the other hand, in the country I come from, the age of consent is 16 even for prostitutes.

There where it becomes really bad, is when girls 15 and under are involved, being forced into prostitution in brothels for locals or other Asians.

Yes, there regularly are stories about such businesses getting busted and yes I think this is very very bad.

Why does it make a difference if the customers are locals or foreigners?

The obvious answer is that it's not possible to force underage prostitutes to service foreigners without the news getting out sooner or later.

Edited September 15, 2015 by manarak

[BuaBS]

"Those who possess pornography showing under aged individuals for personal entertainment purposes are liable for a jail term"

So watching it in groups , for group entertainment purposes , is still ok . Yeah , I know , lost in translation , again.

Back to the original topic : "showing under aged individuals"....does that also mean comics , computer aided drawings, and such of underaged individuals ? Like all the japanese hentai , or incest porn drawings ? It is not real but it shows acts with underaged characters. Would be a big blow for Japanese cartoons.

A couple of years ago , a person had Simpson cartoon porn discovered on his computer going in to Australia , and got in trouble for it.

And Cameron outlawed rape porn , about 2 years ago....so with the Thai government blocking already a big % of porn , isn't underaged porn on the net not already blocked a 100 % ? What's just left is kids posting naked selfies. ( and the dark net , of course , but that's maybe a handfull).

[eldragon]

it's not very common.

for every 100 working girls in the tourist areas there are maybe 1 or at most 2 who are underage.

a majority of the news stories about underage girls are about brothels catering to either locals or other asians.

the claim that "many" girls working in tourist areas are underage is simply not true.

What data are you basing this on? And why does it make a difference who they cater to? Ask around. I think you'll find the number is closer to 1 in 20. We're talking about a country where almost every law is bendable, even murder. With that in mind, why is it that people choose to believe there aren't still a gross amount of underage women in the bars here?

I visit the bars a lot, my assumption is based on experience over the last 6-7 years.

You know what...? I'm mainly talking about the go-go bars. And some of the girls I've seen at brothels and spas looked pretty young too. But now that I think about it, I never see girls that look underage at the beer bars. Once I met a girl that was still in secondary, but she said she was 18. Khao San Rd. is another place guys need to be careful, btw. I'm told almost none of those bars and clubs check IDs. Sure looks that way. Edited September 15, 2015 by eldragon

[jaywalker]

Sick people that have anything to do w/ kiddy porn or exploitation should be drawn & quartered.

I saw a 19 -20 year old gal a couple days ago at a 7-11 that was STACKED all the way around.

While I appreciated the eye candy, I thought to myself "There goes trouble".....for her boyfriend(s) and her parents.

Any woman less than 30 is a kid to me.

BTW I'm just 48 = I was 18 when they were born if she is 30 now.

I better quit..... Making myself sick.

Surely one of the weirdest post I have read. So you would deny yourself a beautiful 20 year old because she was only 2 when you were 18, what are you blathering about? That 19 year old I took last week was minus 21 when I was 18, should I go and jump off a bridge now or will tomorrow do?

I never judged you. Go run with 19 year olds or ladyboys or go jump off a bridge.

None of my business.

[Shawn0001]

How about those videos making the rounds on FB this month? Thai ladyboys dry humping each other and a mathayom boy jerking off in a girl's face.

Are you asking whether you have been watching child porn? I know I haven't but it certainly sounds like you have!

The video was linked on Thai Visa and it is college age students not children. YOU are the sick one.

You are telling me that there is a video of a mathayom aged boy jerking off in the face of a girl linked by Thaivisa and I am sick for questioning that? ALL mathayom aged boys are UNDER AGE!

[Shawn0001]

I find it interesting ot find so many people here talking about how sick this is when so many of the people on this forum browse the "Goods" in Pattaya or Soi Cowboy every night, and I'm not talking about DVD's.

Many of those girls are underage too, even if they don't tell you.

this is simply not true.

What makes you say that? There are stories in the news all the time about police finding underage girls in Bangkok working in the sex industry, it is very common.

Have you officially now changed the topic from child porn to underage sex workers?

No, but my response to a slightly off topic post is official. I seem to have hit a nerve with you, what's up?

[Shawn0001]

Let's assume what was said was accurate and that 1 or 2 out of 100 was the actual amount (though I seriously doubt it)... that is still 1% - 2%. I consider that not a "small" amount by any means.

I visit the bars a lot and I can tell you there are no obvious underage girls working in the bars.

In the last 5 years I saw 2 underage girls, both were 17 something and both were easily looking 20 years old.

I consider 1% small.

But not the actual percentage is important, the important thing is that the percentage becomes smaller and smaller because authorities are progressively stamping out underage prostitution.

Another consideration is how destructive it is for society and how damaging for the girls.

That's what warrants police action, not every single case.

If there are a couple of 17 year olds in bars, it's not the end of the world.

Police just needs to continue keeping an eye open and catch the people promoting underage prostitution, so that there are less and less underage prostitutes.

I am all in favor of protecting the girls from being forced to prostitute themselves by their parents and giving them a fair chance to succeed in school.

On the other hand, in the country I come from, the age of consent is 16 even for prostitutes.

There where it becomes really bad, is when girls 15 and under are involved, being forced into prostitution in brothels for locals or other Asians.

Yes, there regularly are stories about such businesses getting busted and yes I think this is very very bad.

Why does it make a difference if the customers are locals or foreigners?

The obvious answer is that it's not possible to force underage prostitutes to service foreigners without the news getting out sooner or later.

"In the last 5 years I saw 2 underage girls, both were 17 something and both were easily looking 20 years old."

That's funny, whenever I meet a 20 year old they are easily looking 17.

[Shawn0001]

"Those who possess pornography showing under aged individuals for personal entertainment purposes are liable for a jail term"

So watching it in groups , for group entertainment purposes , is still ok . Yeah , I know , lost in translation , again.

Back to the original topic : "showing under aged individuals"....does that also mean comics , computer aided drawings, and such of underaged individuals ? Like all the japanese hentai , or incest porn drawings ? It is not real but it shows acts with underaged characters. Would be a big blow for Japanese cartoons.

A couple of years ago , a person had Simpson cartoon porn discovered on his computer going in to Australia , and got in trouble for it.

And Cameron outlawed rape porn , about 2 years ago....so with the Thai government blocking already a big % of porn , isn't underaged porn on the net not already blocked a 100 % ? What's just left is kids posting naked selfies. ( and the dark net , of course , but that's maybe a handfull).

"It is not real but it shows acts with underaged characters. Would be a big blow for Japanese cartoons."

No, banning Japanese cartoon child porn really wouldn't be a loss at all, perhaps to the odd closet pedo but not to Japanese cartoon culture, to that it would be a win.

[manarak]

Let's assume what was said was accurate and that 1 or 2 out of 100 was the actual amount (though I seriously doubt it)... that is still 1% - 2%. I consider that not a "small" amount by any means.

I visit the bars a lot and I can tell you there are no obvious underage girls working in the bars.

In the last 5 years I saw 2 underage girls, both were 17 something and both were easily looking 20 years old.

I consider 1% small.

But not the actual percentage is important, the important thing is that the percentage becomes smaller and smaller because authorities are progressively stamping out underage prostitution.

Another consideration is how destructive it is for society and how damaging for the girls.

That's what warrants police action, not every single case.

If there are a couple of 17 year olds in bars, it's not the end of the world.

Police just needs to continue keeping an eye open and catch the people promoting underage prostitution, so that there are less and less underage prostitutes.

I am all in favor of protecting the girls from being forced to prostitute themselves by their parents and giving them a fair chance to succeed in school.

On the other hand, in the country I come from, the age of consent is 16 even for prostitutes.

There where it becomes really bad, is when girls 15 and under are involved, being forced into prostitution in brothels for locals or other Asians.

Yes, there regularly are stories about such businesses getting busted and yes I think this is very very bad.

Why does it make a difference if the customers are locals or foreigners?

The obvious answer is that it's not possible to force underage prostitutes to service foreigners without the news getting out sooner or later.

"In the last 5 years I saw 2 underage girls, both were 17 something and both were easily looking 20 years old."

That's funny, whenever I meet a 20 year old they are easily looking 17.

Yes, I prefer it that way too...

[Shawn0001]

I find it interesting ot find so many people here talking about how sick this is when so many of the people on this forum browse the "Goods" in Pattaya or Soi Cowboy every night, and I'm not talking about DVD's.

Many of those girls are underage too, even if they don't tell you.

this is simply not true.

What makes you say that? There are stories in the news all the time about police finding underage girls in Bangkok working in the sex industry, it is very common.

it's not very common.

for every 100 working girls in the tourist areas there are maybe 1 or at most 2 who are underage.

a majority of the news stories about underage girls are about brothels catering to either locals or other asians.

the claim that "many" girls working in tourist areas are underage is simply not true.

You seem to have misunderstood, I did not say it was a high percentage, I said it was very common, 1 or 2 percent would be 40,000 to 80,000 girls in Bangkok alone, that is a lot in my opinion. It doesn't matter which race these girls mainly cater for, and "other Asians" sound like tourists to me, but then I am not a racist.

[Shawn0001]

Let's assume what was said was accurate and that 1 or 2 out of 100 was the actual amount (though I seriously doubt it)... that is still 1% - 2%. I consider that not a "small" amount by any means.

I visit the bars a lot and I can tell you there are no obvious underage girls working in the bars.

In the last 5 years I saw 2 underage girls, both were 17 something and both were easily looking 20 years old.

I consider 1% small.

But not the actual percentage is important, the important thing is that the percentage becomes smaller and smaller because authorities are progressively stamping out underage prostitution.

Another consideration is how destructive it is for society and how damaging for the girls.

That's what warrants police action, not every single case.

If there are a couple of 17 year olds in bars, it's not the end of the world.

Police just needs to continue keeping an eye open and catch the people promoting underage prostitution, so that there are less and less underage prostitutes.

I am all in favor of protecting the girls from being forced to prostitute themselves by their parents and giving them a fair chance to succeed in school.

On the other hand, in the country I come from, the age of consent is 16 even for prostitutes.

There where it becomes really bad, is when girls 15 and under are involved, being forced into prostitution in brothels for locals or other Asians.

Yes, there regularly are stories about such businesses getting busted and yes I think this is very very bad.

Why does it make a difference if the customers are locals or foreigners?

The obvious answer is that it's not possible to force underage prostitutes to service foreigners without the news getting out sooner or later.

"In the last 5 years I saw 2 underage girls, both were 17 something and both were easily looking 20 years old."

That's funny, whenever I meet a 20 year old they are easily looking 17.

Yes, I prefer it that way too...

So you like girls who look underage attractive?

[manarak]

So you like girls who look underage attractive?

LOL

I mean the girls you think look underage to you don't look underage to me!

From the standpoint of the Law, it's better when you are with a 20 year old looking 17 than with a 17 year old looking 20... don't you agree?

Edited September 15, 2015 by manarak

[puukao]

IF you are from America, American laws apply to you anywhere in the world!!!!

Now go turn yourselves in to the authorities!!!!

[Shawn0001]

So you like girls who look underage attractive?

LOL

I mean the girls you think look underage to you don't look underage to me!

From the standpoint of the Law, it's better when you are with a 20 year old looking 17 than with a 17 year old looking 20... don't you agree?

"I mean the girls you think look underage to you don't look underage to me!"

And the 17 year olds you met looked easily 20 to you? Do you never worry that actually the girls who other guys think look too young but who you think look a few years older than they actually are, just might actually be underage and just lying in order to make money?

[manarak]

So you like girls who look underage attractive?

LOL

I mean the girls you think look underage to you don't look underage to me!

From the standpoint of the Law, it's better when you are with a 20 year old looking 17 than with a 17 year old looking 20... don't you agree?

"I mean the girls you think look underage to you don't look underage to me!"

And the 17 year olds you met looked easily 20 to you? Do you never worry that actually the girls who other guys think look too young but who you think look a few years older than they actually are, just might actually be underage and just lying in order to make money?

I'm quite good at guessing the girls' ages.

[eldragon]

So you like girls who look underage attractive?

LOL

I mean the girls you think look underage to you don't look underage to me!

From the standpoint of the Law, it's better when you are with a 20 year old looking 17 than with a 17 year old looking 20... don't you agree?

"I mean the girls you think look underage to you don't look underage to me!"

And the 17 year olds you met looked easily 20 to you? Do you never worry that actually the girls who other guys think look too young but who you think look a few years older than they actually are, just might actually be underage and just lying in order to make money?

I'm quite good at guessing the girls' ages.

Famous last words of an unwilling sex criminal...

I will concede there are some university aged girls here that look well below their age. But if you take a closer look at these girls in the bar, try to see below the makeup and the sexy outfits, you'll find there's more of em out there than you'd previously thought. And you'll notice em everywhere. It's kinda like MSG: once you know it's in the food, you taste it all the time.

[manarak]

Famous last words of an unwilling sex criminal...

I will concede there are some university aged girls here that look well below their age. But if you take a closer look at these girls in the bar, try to see below the makeup and the sexy outfits, you'll find there's more of em out there than you'd previously thought. And you'll notice em everywhere. It's kinda like MSG: once you know it's in the food, you taste it all the time.

LOL, no... it's about perception.

Some people will just estimate a girl's age much lower than she really is.

Once two older British "ladies" on a baht bus lectured me on how "disgusting" it was for them to see me (40 year old man of 70Kg at the time) together with my Thai GF which was way too young for me as they implied.

They were shocked to learn my GF was 32 at the time and the mother of three children.

Edited September 15, 2015 by manarak

[fish fingers]

Many of those girls are underage too, even if they don't tell you.

Did you check their ID's before or when they passed out?