webfact Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 Lawyer appearance in bombings raises doubts BANGKOK: -- Assistant to the deputy prime minister today posted on his Facebook questioning the appearance of a Thai lawyer to defend Adem Karadag, a suspect in the two bomb attacks in Bangkok. He said the lawyer used to be a lawyer for anti government protesters arrested and charged of arson during the bloody riot in 2010 at Ratchaprasong called by the redshirt United Front for Democracy against Dictatorship (UDD).Matichon Online said in its report today that Mr Paisal Puechmongkol, assistant to deputy prime minister Gen Prawit Wongsuwan, posted on his Facebook raising suspicion of the emergence of the lawyer, Mr Chuchart Kanphai, to defend charges on behalf of one of the bomb suspect, Adem Karadag, also known as Mohammed Bilaturk, arrested at an apartment room in Nong Chok.Paisal claimed the lawyer used to be a lawyer for arrested redshirt protesters charged with arson in the Central World fire in 2010.He said he received so many questions from the people but he couldn’t answer.He said Karadag was detained by the military after his arrest and questioned when did he manage to meet the lawyer and who appointed a lawyer for him.He asked who arranged him a lawyer and paid for the consultant fee as Karadag had no money with him.He went on saying as the case has not yet proceeded to the court, the appointment of the lawyer was suspicious because any appointment to defend an accused must be literately written and must have case number.If it was a transfer of authorisation, it also must be made officially of when and where the authorisation is made, and who will be his witnesses and his interpreter.Source: http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/lawyer-appearance-in-bombings-raises-doubts -- Thai PBS 2015-09-16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amerasianex Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 He is screwed!.send flowers it's better than this lawyer..Im sure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nakhonoldtimer Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 Chuchart was interviewed on Spring News this morning. He said he got involved because he has had many Turkish clients, mainly those hauled in for counterfeit credit cards. He also has a friend who has acted as a Turkish language interpreter in the case. He says he has just been relating what the defendant told him and the facts are yet to be verified. He has an appointment with the Turkish embassy on Friday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Always18 Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 There's clearly no need for judicial due process or a proper legal system in this third world country when it appears quite acceptable to try to discredit a defence representative in advance of any proceedings. In any civilised country this would be treated as attempting to pervert the course of justice and this assistant DPM would find himself swiftly incarcerated............ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Bob Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 He must be a good lawyer. I believe those who were charged with with arson was founded not guilty. Most have the junta worried. Also so now facebook is the official way for the members of the junta to give press releases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhizBang Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 ALL government employees MUST be banned from using facebook, or any other form of social media. If they have a statement to make, issue an official press release, otherwise all it is is rumor mongering and disinformation tactics. I would add to that list of bans, all politicians too. Ok to post personal messgaes etc, but nothing that can be taken as an official comment or response. Facebook has to be one of the most useless and pointless time wasters I have ever seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jai Dee Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 One post containing defamation has been removed from this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sviss Geez Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 Also so now facebook is the official way for the members of the junta to give press releases. It wasn't a press release, it was a Facebook post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chainarong Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 Without being too specific, mind your own business , what people do or how they do it is of no concern to anyone but to those involved , what the assistant Deputy P.M. is trying to convey in a veiled way is another party is supporting this group and we can only guess who that might be , unless you have concrete evidence but out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muirton Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 There's clearly no need for judicial due process or a proper legal system in this third world country when it appears quite acceptable to try to discredit a defence representative in advance of any proceedings. In any civilised country this would be treated as attempting to pervert the course of justice and this assistant DPM would find himself swiftly incarcerated............ Thailand is civilized but lacks the rule of law. The US has the rule of law but is not especially civilized. Scotland has both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAG Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 There's clearly no need for judicial due process or a proper legal system in this third world country when it appears quite acceptable to try to discredit a defence representative in advance of any proceedings. In any civilised country this would be treated as attempting to pervert the course of justice and this assistant DPM would find himself swiftly incarcerated............ Thailand is civilized but lacks the rule of law. The US has the rule of law but is not especially civilized. Scotland has both. Sauchiehall street at chucking out time on a Friday night? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Equalizer Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 (edited) Without being too specific, mind your own business , what people do or how they do it is of no concern to anyone but to those involved , what the assistant Deputy P.M. is trying to convey in a veiled way is another party is supporting this group and we can only guess who that might be , unless you have concrete evidence but out. Sir that is the most cretinous posts i have ever read. This man is a politician. It is EVERYONE'S business when a person in political office uses Facebook to make a political statement. Butt out of a public Facebook post. Really!!! P.S, if you want to comment on Thailand's Defamation laws then this Facebook post has to be the analogy to use. Edited September 16, 2015 by Equalizer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnnieT Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 Also so now facebook is the official way for the members of the junta to give press releases. It wasn't a press release, it was a Facebook post. This is the kind of pedantry, up with which we should not put. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ldiablo Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 So what. Now this guy is basically and publicly accusing the red shirts of being involved in the bombing simply because the lawyer has defended redshirts in the past. Maybe his family arranged a lawyer for him, his friends. Could be anybody so you Mr. Ass to the Deputy PM should shut your mouth until you can answer the questions and leave the speculation to the TV posters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waldroj Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 A truly beautiful response by Always18, #4 above. Who does Puechmongkol expect would turn up to defend Karadag - a divorce lawyer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAG Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 Also so now facebook is the official way for the members of the junta to give press releases. It wasn't a press release, it was a Facebook post. This is the kind of pedantry, up with which we should not put. Yoda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenixdoglover Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 Also so now facebook is the official way for the members of the junta to give press releases. It wasn't a press release, it was a Facebook post. This is the kind of pedantry, up with which we should not put. Yoda Eschew obfuscation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muirton Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 A truly beautiful response by Always18, #4 above. Who does Puechmongkol expect would turn up to defend Karadag - a divorce lawyer? That's a rather good idea, actually, considering how divorced from reality Thai Police forever are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arrowsdawdle Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 He must be a good lawyer. I believe those who were charged with with arson was founded not guilty. Most have the junta worried. Also so now facebook is the official way for the members of the junta to give press releases. Even if they were innocent in 2010 he would have been a good lawyer to keep them out of the pokey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acharn Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 There's clearly no need for judicial due process or a proper legal system in this third world country when it appears quite acceptable to try to discredit a defence representative in advance of any proceedings. In any civilised country this would be treated as attempting to pervert the course of justice and this assistant DPM would find himself swiftly incarcerated............ Thailand is civilized but lacks the rule of law. The US has the rule of law but is not especially civilized. Scotland has both. I would argue the US only has the rule of law if you have enough money to hire a really good lawyer, preferably one who is politically connected. As for Scotland, I strongly approve of a system which gives the jury the option of saying, "Not proven." In the US they only have two choices, acquit or convict, and sometimes it is fairly obvious the accused is really guilty of *something*, but the prosecution failed to produce evidence he's guilty of this particular crime. I suppose any country which hires Adam Smith as a professor of moral philosophy has to be considered civilized. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waldroj Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 There's clearly no need for judicial due process or a proper legal system in this third world country when it appears quite acceptable to try to discredit a defence representative in advance of any proceedings. In any civilised country this would be treated as attempting to pervert the course of justice and this assistant DPM would find himself swiftly incarcerated............ Thailand is civilized but lacks the rule of law. The US has the rule of law but is not especially civilized. Scotland has both. I would argue the US only has the rule of law if you have enough money to hire a really good lawyer, preferably one who is politically connected. As for Scotland, I strongly approve of a system which gives the jury the option of saying, "Not proven." In the US they only have two choices, acquit or convict, and sometimes it is fairly obvious the accused is really guilty of *something*, but the prosecution failed to produce evidence he's guilty of this particular crime. I suppose any country which hires Adam Smith as a professor of moral philosophy has to be considered civilized. "...but the prosecution failed to produce evidence he's guilty of this particular crime..." Is this not what the presumption of innocence (as applied in many nations - including Thailand by the way) is all about? "Ei incumbit probatio qui dicit, non qui negat", or "The burden of the proof lies upon him who affirms not he who denies". According to Siam Legal (http://www.siam-legal.com/thailand-law-library/legal_library/thai_criminal_prosecution_standards.php), with regard to the Criminal Procedure in Thailand, "...the highest degree of certainty is required before one can be convicted of the crime charged against him. The judge must not have a tinge of doubt on the guilt of the accused before he sends him to receive the State's punishment". Meanwhile, Section 39 of the now-defunct Thai Constitution specifically states that: "In a criminal case, it shall be presumed that the accused is not guilty. Before a final verdict of guilt is handed down, it is prohibited to treat the accused as if he or she is guilty". Hence, the posting by Puechmongkol is reprehensible at least, and would probably constitute a criminal offence (even in Thailand) as its intention could be interpreted as trying to influence procedural fairness! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alwyn Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 There's clearly no need for judicial due process or a proper legal system in this third world country when it appears quite acceptable to try to discredit a defence representative in advance of any proceedings. In any civilised country this would be treated as attempting to pervert the course of justice and this assistant DPM would find himself swiftly incarcerated............ Thailand is civilized but lacks the rule of law. The US has the rule of law but is not especially civilized. Scotland has both. Thailand is well civilized! Only a civilized country would imprison an old woman for picking myshrooms to eat.. Only a civilised country has a Junta for a government, only a civilised country has archaic leje majeste laws, only civilised countries engage in human trafficking.. etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnglishJohn Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 He must be a good lawyer. I believe those who were charged with with arson was founded not guilty. Most have the junta worried. Also so now facebook is the official way for the members of the junta to give press releases. They were found guilty. Then after THREE YEARS and under Pheu-Thai, the appeals court said the evidence was too weak. Round about the same time Pheu-Thai approved 46 million baht of taxpayers money to bail out 57 others. Although I assume you knew this already Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheKnave Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 Also so now facebook is the official way for the members of the junta to give press releases. It wasn't a press release, it was a Facebook post. This is the kind of pedantry, up with which we should not put. Yoda Ogden Nash Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muirton Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 There's clearly no need for judicial due process or a proper legal system in this third world country when it appears quite acceptable to try to discredit a defence representative in advance of any proceedings. In any civilised country this would be treated as attempting to pervert the course of justice and this assistant DPM would find himself swiftly incarcerated............ Thailand is civilized but lacks the rule of law. The US has the rule of law but is not especially civilized. Scotland has both. Thailand is well civilized! Only a civilized country would imprison an old woman for picking myshrooms to eat.. Only a civilised country has a Junta for a government, only a civilised country has archaic leje majeste laws, only civilised countries engage in human trafficking.. etc I agree with what you write but because the current ruling class is a criminal enterprise doesn't take away from Thailand having a civilization. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BudRight Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 The right to council is a human right, Mr Paisal Puechmongkol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timewilltell Posted September 17, 2015 Share Posted September 17, 2015 The guy is entitled to choose who he wants as his lawyer and no one has a right to discredit his lawyer on grounds of who the lawyer has acted for in the past - especially an official Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamiesilver Posted September 17, 2015 Share Posted September 17, 2015 So Taksin had nothing to do with the bombing? or has he sent his best lawyers over? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artisi Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 (edited) This is the kind of pedantry, up with which we should not put. Yoda Ogden Nash Sir Winston Leonard Spencer Churchill KG OM CH TD FRS PC (Can) Edited September 18, 2015 by Artisi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mojorison Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 Rule 44... "legal representation and or defense of any kind will not be tolerated" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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