Family name on birth certificate.

[tartempion]

I have the birth certificate of a 5 year young girl myself and my GF are taking care of.

To make things clear the girls father is my gf's brother, a parasite.

The biological mother and father were not married (so I am told) but the birth certificate shows the girl's family name from her father.

Am I right to understand the unmarried father has no rights to the child but her family name is the fathers, I am confused.

Reading the birth certificate I see the girls identification followed by the hospitals name and address, the mothers data: age and address etc, followed by the fathers data and different address although same village and the fathers data again.

Why is the fathers data mentioned a second time?

At the bottom 3 signatures, the first one from the father, the second no clue but certainly not the mothers signature, the third one maybe an employee of the amphur and dated one day after the girls birthdate.

If the father recognizes the child does the child get the fathers name automatically even when they are not married?

Btw, I see the mothers name to be preceded by the abbreviation in Thai for N.S. Nong Sang or miss (unmarried?)

Edited September 25, 2015 by tartempion

[Boo]

Basically he has no rights over the child. The mother can sign over PR to him or you if that is the agreement, then you will have legal rights over the child to decide education, medical etc. Without those rights you are basically a babysitter but if something important needed to be decided you would not be allowed to make that decision.

Do you have contact with the mother? It might be better to deal with her directly about signing over the PR to your wife.

[swissbie]

Better to do this at the family court. If the mother agrees it's no big issue. N.S. ist for Nang Sao, and yes, that means unmarried (if written, spoken it can meen both).

[khunPer]

If mom and dad are not marriage with a registration at the Amphor – village marriage without proper registration I believe don’t count – the father has no legal rights; however a court order can give him parental rights; or a “Certification of Child” from a Registration Office, which typically can be made when the child is of a certain age (think 7 year, but not sure) where both mother and child confirms for the registrar and witnesses that the male person present is the father.

I think a caretaker for the child can also be assigned at the local Amphor Registration Office – mother and probably child need to be present – perhaps some other poster can verify this...?

It’s normal that a child has the father’s family name; even the father ship is not approved by marriage.

A Thai Birth Certificate is

in top section the name of child, birth details, and which House Book child has been added to;

in 2nd section the mother and address of House Book she’s registered into;

in 3rd section the father that can be registered into a different House Book than the mother and therefore another address;

and in bottom section the birth notifying person that can be the father, so his name will be twice on the Birth Certificate;

below signatures of birth notifying person, performing officer, and registrar.

(My knowledge comes from being through the process with my Thai girlfriend, we are not married.)

[tartempion]

KhunPer,

Thanks for the clarification.

My father's mother was not married at his birth and his family name was his mothers. I know because I have school books showing her name as his family name.

She married when he was 10 and had his family name changed to that man's.

He disliked his stepfather, thus I never met him but have his name...

Thus I am surprised the girl has the fathers name although they are not married.

Edited September 27, 2015 by tartempion

[khunPer]

KhunPer,

Thanks for the clarification.

My father's mother was not married at his birth and his family name was his mothers. I know because I have school books showing her name as his family name.

She married when he was 10 and had his family name changed to that man's.

He disliked his stepfather, thus I never met him but have his name...

Thus I am surprised the girl has the fathers name although they are not married.

Thanks.

My daughter has my family name on her Thai Birth Certficate, I'm not married to her mother that is my girlfriend, who told me that it's "normal" the child has the father's family name.

I had however no legal rights for many years, before we made a “Certification of Child” at the Amphor's Registration Office last year; but even without parental rights I needed to sign as the father on the application for my daugter's Thai passport, both mom and dad had to sign.