So the British Embassy will not register our marriage... so what now?

[7by7]

You do not need to move to the EEA state first and then apply for your wife to join you; but for your wife to take advantage of the directive to live in that state with you, you do need to be living there and exercising an economic treaty right.

Yes, that does sound contradictory!

Which is why for most (all?) countries the non EEA national family member first obtains a temporary visa in order to enter and they then apply for residence once there.

For example, a UK EEA Family Permit is valid for 6 months. But if you are a qualifying member of an EEA national who is exercising a treaty right in the UK you can stay beyond this. You don't even have to apply for residence and a residence card; but it's advisable as doing so will show you are legally resident in the UK, which you will need to do if you want to work, register with a GP etc..

With regard to marriage certificates, all the UK guide to supporting documents says is

Evidence of your marital status
This could include a marriage certificate, a civil partnership certificate, a divorce certificate or a death certificate

[beano2274]

Each Country has its own interpretation of the rules, if you read the Email from the Austrian Embassy it states between the lines that the EU citizen should be registered then the wife can apply, the Germans are exactly the same.

The topic of this was about the British Embassy not registering a marriage, this has always been the case the only thing you could do (years ago) was

to apply for them to send it to the GRO, this cost the applicant money. It is not about what the European Embassies are wanting.

Edited October 28, 2015 by beano2274

[7by7]

Each Country has its own interpretation of the rules, if you read the Email from the Austrian Embassy it states between the lines that the EU citizen should be registered then the wife can apply, the Germans are exactly the same.

Which, surely, is covered by what I say above?

You do not need to move to the EEA state first and then apply for your wife to join you; but for your wife to take advantage of the directive to live in that state with you, you do need to be living there and exercising an economic treaty right.

Yes, that does sound contradictory!

Which is why for most (all?) countries the non EEA national family member first obtains a temporary visa in order to enter and they then apply for residence once there.

[micmichd]

Guess the magic word is "should", which leaves space for an exception if there's a good reason.

[beano2274]

Each Country has its own interpretation of the rules, if you read the Email from the Austrian Embassy it states between the lines that the EU citizen should be registered then the wife can apply, the Germans are exactly the same.

Which, surely, is covered by what I say above?

You do not need to move to the EEA state first and then apply for your wife to join you; but for your wife to take advantage of the directive to live in that state with you, you do need to be living there and exercising an economic treaty right.

Yes, that does sound contradictory!

Which is why for most (all?) countries the non EEA national family member first obtains a temporary visa in order to enter and they then apply for residence once there.

Yes I agree fully with you, but people cannot suggest that every European country should do it as the other, look in Thailand at the immigration offices, each one has its own rules.

[Richard W]

For example, a UK EEA Family Permit is valid for 6 months. But if you are a qualifying member of an EEA national who is exercising a treaty right in the UK you can stay beyond this. You don't even have to apply for residence and a residence card; but it's advisable as doing so will show you are legally resident in the UK, which you will need to do if you want to work, register with a GP etc..

I believe such details vary from country to country. For example, the usual requirement to do so to live in a rented principal residence is new.

[boldface]

Switzerland (who has bought into the Free Movement, but a referendum in 2014 might change it)

Thanks for your message. Your spouse needs to submit a legalized extract from the marriage register (Khor ror2). The applicant’s appearance in person is mandatory. An appointment is not required for spouses of Swiss and EU citizens.

Visa for family reunion (after marriage in Thailand)

Documentary requirements

 Three visa application forms (“Application for a long stay visa D”) duly filled out, dated and signed by the applicant

 Four passport-sized pictures recently made color pictures, 3.5 - 4 cm in width, neutral light background, head takes up 70-80% of the surface

 Passport issued with the family name after marriage, valid at least three months after the planned entry date in the Schengen territory, at least two blank pages

 Three photocopies of the passport personal data page

 Police record in English, original with three photocopies

Police record

The Thai police record can be ordered at the following address: Police Clearance Service Center, Special Branch Bureau, Section 3, Royal Thai Police, Rama I Rd. Pathumwan, Bangkok 10330, Tel. 02 205 21 68-9.

Further documents

If the marriage has been concluded with a citizen of a third country, the Regional Consular Center in Bangkok can require further documents related to the marriage (extract from marriage register, birth certificate etc.). We are pleased to advise you at our counters.

Fees

The visa application is free of charge for spouses of Swiss and EU citizens. Here you can find the postal fee levied by the Regional Consular Center for the submission of the visa application to the cantonal migration office.

Procedure

The procedure for family reunion may take several weeks. The visa application will be submitted to the cantonal migration office competent for the Swiss spouse’s place of residence. Information regarding the processing time can be given by the authorities in Switzerland only. In general, the applicant is informed by the cantonal migration office once the authorization to enter Switzerland has been granted (form „Ermächtigung zur Visumerteilung“ or “Autorisation habilitant les représentations Suisses à délivrer un visa”). The passport and the authorization can be submitted directly to the Regional Consular Center in Bangkok by the applicant or by an authorized third person during the opening hours without prior appointment. The visa can be picked-up after three working days.

Trusting that this information is useful, I remain,

Yours sincerely,

All seems fair enough.

[boldface]

Holland

Good morning,

Thank you for your email.

You wife can make an appointment with VFS to make an appointment and to submit her application, see http://www.vfsglobal.com/netherlands/thailand/

The documents that at its minimum should be submitted are the Schengen application form, passport-size picture of your wife, your passport and the letter from the British consulate and proof that you are travelling to the Netherlands (together).

The Thai marriage certificate may be translated into English and then legalized first by the Thai Ministry of Foreign Affairs and then the Netherlands embassy in Bangkok.

If during assessment of the application additional documents would be required, your wife will be informed.

The official processing time of the application would be 15 days, however as you state applications under the EU/Directive will be processed with as soon as possible. Mostly within 5 working days the application might be finalized.

Hope to have informed you sufficiently.

[boldface]

Finland

Thank you for your email. Your Thai wife can either apply for a residence permit in advance (for more information please visit at the Finnish Immigration Service www.migri.fi and our embassy’s website http://www.finland.or.th/public/default.aspx?contentid=108273&nodeid=39169&contentlan=2&culture=en-US) before traveling to Finland, or she can apply for a visa to travel to Finland and then apply for a residence permit at the local police in Finland (https://www.poliisi.fi/licences/licences_and_permits_for_foreigners ).

For more information about the visa application process and required documents can be found at our embassy’s website www.finland.or.th and VFS Visa Centre’s website www.vfsglobal.com/finland/thailand .

[boldface]

Germany

thank you for your E-Mail.

Thai citizens require a national visa (Aufenthaltstitel) to permanently live in Germany. In your case your wife will have to apply for a “visa for married couples”. Due to the fact that you are an EU-citizen the so called “Freizügigkeitsgesetz”, which is the german national law codifying the Freedom of Movement, will apply. Pursuant to this law, the wife of an EU-citizen has the right to permanently live in Germany. Attached you`ll find information in German and Thai regarding said Visa.

Please take special consideration of the last paragraph of the informational sheet that states that your wife, as the wife of a citizen of the European Union, is exempt from the requirement to prove basic skills in German.

I hope that this information is of help to you,

As far as my bad German tells me,,, all straight forward.

1111111Visum zum Ehegattennachzug_Nachzug zum LebenspartnerJuli14_th.pdf

1111111111Visum zum Ehegattennachzug_Nachzug zum LebenspartnerJuli14.pdf

1111111111111Antrag D-Visa DEU-ENG.pdf

[beano2274]

Nachzug means she travels to join you, you should already be there!!! and this bit says she must have a copy of your registration in Germany, meaning that you must be there

Hinweis für Ehegatten/Lebenspartner Angehöriger der EU/EWR-Staaten:
Ist Ihr Ehegatte-/Lebenspartner zu dem Sie nach Deutschland nachziehen möchten, nicht Deutscher, aber ein Angehöriger der EU/EWR-Staaten (Freizügigkeitsberechtigter), brauchen Sie keinen Sprachnachweis zu erbringen. Bitte legen Sie zusätzlich eine aktuelle Freizügigkeits-bescheinigung ODER eine Anmeldebestätigung des deutschen Wohnortes, einen Arbeitsnachweis sowie eine aktuelle Verdienstbescheinigung Ihres Ehegatten (jeweils mit zwei Kopien) vor.

Edited October 29, 2015 by beano2274

[micmichd]

Nachzug means she travels to join you, you should already be there!!!

One flight before her would do, I guess.

The possibility that both never intend to stay in Germany is explicitly stated in the flyer l.

[micmichd]

Nachzug means she travels to join you, you should already be there!!!

One flight before her would do, I guess.

The possibility that she never intends to stay in Germany is explicitly stated in the flyer.

[boldface]

Ireland

Thank you for your email. In regarding to your enquiries below, your wife can apply for ‘Family member of EU/EEA/Swiss cit. (Long Stay) (Single Journey)visa’. Please kindly follow the instruction and find this link : http://www.inis.gov.ie/en/INIS/Pages/Family%20Members%20of%20EU_EEA%20_Swiss%20citizens

Should you have further enquiries, please do not hesitate to contact us.

Very straight forward.

[beano2274]

Nachzug means she travels to join you, you should already be there!!!

One flight before her would do, I guess.

The possibility that both never intend to stay in Germany is explicitly stated in the flyer l.

True but the OP keeps going on about how a Country should allow him and his wife to travel together, here the Germans state it is not possible. Also highlighted in Red in my post proof of work and also a payslip.

Edited October 29, 2015 by beano2274

[boldface]

Nachzug means she travels to join you, you should already be there!!! and this bit says she must have a copy of your registration in Germany, meaning that you must be there

Hinweis für Ehegatten/Lebenspartner Angehöriger der EU/EWR-Staaten:

Ist Ihr Ehegatte-/Lebenspartner zu dem Sie nach Deutschland nachziehen möchten, nicht Deutscher, aber ein Angehöriger der EU/EWR-Staaten (Freizügigkeitsberechtigter), brauchen Sie keinen Sprachnachweis zu erbringen. Bitte legen Sie zusätzlich eine aktuelle Freizügigkeits-bescheinigung ODER eine Anmeldebestätigung des deutschen Wohnortes, einen Arbeitsnachweis sowie eine aktuelle Verdienstbescheinigung Ihres Ehegatten (jeweils mit zwei Kopien) vor.

Ohhh FGS - EVERY one of these I am posting has received a phone call and an email stating that we are in Thailand together, and travelling together.

Why not simple bugger off? You have added precisely NOTHING to this thread other than distraction and distortions.

[beano2274]

Nachzug means she travels to join you, you should already be there!!! and this bit says she must have a copy of your registration in Germany, meaning that you must be there

Hinweis für Ehegatten/Lebenspartner Angehöriger der EU/EWR-Staaten:

Ist Ihr Ehegatte-/Lebenspartner zu dem Sie nach Deutschland nachziehen möchten, nicht Deutscher, aber ein Angehöriger der EU/EWR-Staaten (Freizügigkeitsberechtigter), brauchen Sie keinen Sprachnachweis zu erbringen. Bitte legen Sie zusätzlich eine aktuelle Freizügigkeits-bescheinigung ODER eine Anmeldebestätigung des deutschen Wohnortes, einen Arbeitsnachweis sowie eine aktuelle Verdienstbescheinigung Ihres Ehegatten (jeweils mit zwei Kopien) vor.

Ohhh FGS - EVERY one of these I am posting has received a phone call and an email stating that we are in Thailand together, and travelling together.

Why not simple bugger off? You have added precisely NOTHING to this thread other than distraction and distortions.

And I told you that you need to be registered in Germany, which is what it states, with proof of work and also a pay statement. What you say and what the countries do are two different things, each one interpretes the Directive how they want, you cannot push them to change to follow the Directive, this directive is over 10 years old and still they do not follow it word for word.

[micmichd]

Yes, "Arbeitsbescheinigung" and "Verdienstnachweis" might be a problem in Germany, especially if wifey is self-employed. Guess there's a way to handle this. They actually want some guarantee that she doesn't claim welfare.

[boldface]

Czech Republic

Dear Sir,
regarding the Shengen visa (visa for staying up to 90 days) you are definitely right. Your wife will submit duly filled Application form together with legalized Thai Marriage certificate and copies of yours both passports (just data page) and passport size photo. We suggest to arrange a booking of flight ticket and booking of accomodation (to help us specify terms of travel in a visa sticker).

The situation regarding residency in Czech Republic for you and your wife is also simple.
You are obliged up to 3 months after arrival to inform the local Immigration office (according your place of stay) about your staying and ask for temporary residency.
You personally should show copy of your passport, proof of accomodation (rental agrreement, contract for buing real estate, confirmation from somebody that you are allowed to stay in his/her place etc.) and reason of staying (trade licence, extract from bussines register that you are an owner of the company etc).
Your wife has the same obligation -to inform the local Immigration Authority and ask for temporary residency. For that she should present passport, accomodation and proof of relationship with you (Marriage Certificate - in your case probably Thai original and English translation should be enough with legalization from THAI MFA and superlegalization from our Embassy). Maybe the Immigration officers will ask for the official translation into Czech language of the English translation, but it will depend on the Immmigration officials because according the law all submitted foreign documents must be translated into Czech language by verified (in Czech republic) translater.

Hope above mention information satisfy you.

Have a nice day

I had read somewhere that CZ were rather unhelpful, but this seems very straight forward as well.

[beano2274]

Czech Republic

Dear Sir,

regarding the Shengen visa (visa for staying up to 90 days) you are definitely right. Your wife will submit duly filled Application form together with legalized Thai Marriage certificate and copies of yours both passports (just data page) and passport size photo. We suggest to arrange a booking of flight ticket and booking of accomodation (to help us specify terms of travel in a visa sticker).

The situation regarding residency in Czech Republic for you and your wife is also simple.

You are obliged up to 3 months after arrival to inform the local Immigration office (according your place of stay) about your staying and ask for temporary residency.

You personally should show copy of your passport, proof of accomodation (rental agrreement, contract for buing real estate, confirmation from somebody that you are allowed to stay in his/her place etc.) and reason of staying (trade licence, extract from bussines register that you are an owner of the company etc).

Your wife has the same obligation -to inform the local Immigration Authority and ask for temporary residency. For that she should present passport, accomodation and proof of relationship with you (Marriage Certificate - in your case probably Thai original and English translation should be enough with legalization from THAI MFA and superlegalization from our Embassy). Maybe the Immigration officers will ask for the official translation into Czech language of the English translation, but it will depend on the Immmigration officials because according the law all submitted foreign documents must be translated into Czech language by verified (in Czech republic) translater.

Hope above mention information satisfy you.

Have a nice day

I had read somewhere that CZ were rather unhelpful, but this seems very straight forward as well.

Asking for travel requirements is not part of what is in the directive, even for a Tourist visa you do not need to show any bookings.

[beano2274]

To the OP (Boldface)

why not do all answers into a Word or PDF File, then get a Moderator to pin the topic, as here the information will get lost.

[7by7]

For example, a UK EEA Family Permit is valid for 6 months. But if you are a qualifying member of an EEA national who is exercising a treaty right in the UK you can stay beyond this. You don't even have to apply for residence and a residence card; but it's advisable as doing so will show you are legally resident in the UK, which you will need to do if you want to work, register with a GP etc..

I believe such details vary from country to country. For example, the usual requirement to do so to live in a rented principal residence is new.

Indeed, as I have previously said, the details of applying do vary from member state to member state. But the rules are the same for all.

As I understand it, this means that the non EEA family member (e.g. spouse) enters the member state on a short term visa (e.g. EEA Family Permit for the UK; Schengen visa for a Schengen state) and then applies for residence once there; providing the necessary documents to show that.

• they are a qualifying member of an EEA national and
• that EEA national is exercising a treaty right in that state.

Which negates the nonsense about them taking separate flights!

[7by7]

Boldface the replies you have received from the various embassies are of interest; but I'm more interested in Sovit's response.

Can you post it when received please?.

[micmichd]

For example, a UK EEA Family Permit is valid for 6 months. But if you are a qualifying member of an EEA national who is exercising a treaty right in the UK you can stay beyond this. You don't even have to apply for residence and a residence card; but it's advisable as doing so will show you are legally resident in the UK, which you will need to do if you want to work, register with a GP etc..

I believe such details vary from country to country. For example, the usual requirement to do so to live in a rented principal residence is new.

Indeed, as I have previously said, the details of applying do vary from member state to member state. But the rules are the same for all.

As I understand it, this means that the non EEA family member (e.g. spouse) enters the member state on a short term visa (e.g. EEA Family Permit for the UK; Schengen visa for a Schengen state) and then applies for residence once there; providing the necessary documents to show that.

• they are a qualifying member of an EEA national and
• that EEA national is exercising a treaty right in that state.

Which negates the nonsense about them taking separate flights!

Guess it's getting tricky if you're not a resident in the country that issued your passport.

[7by7]

Why?

For most (all?) countries the usual requirement is to apply for entry clearance, whatever the type and term, in the country of one's residence; which is not always the country of one's nationality.

BTW. the freedom of movement directive does not apply to the member state of which the EEA family member is a citizen; in which case an application has to be made under that state's immigration rules.

Unless Surinder Singh applies.

Edited October 29, 2015 by 7by7

[boldface]

Boldface the replies you have received from the various embassies are of interest; but I'm more interested in Sovit's response.

Can you post it when received please?.

Absolutely ZERO response so far. Not even an acknowledgment yet. These responses should be pasted up on a sticky thread. There is no resource anywhere that lists this all out for Thailand, so no point people repeating this.

Anyway - here is the brilliant DENMARK, another one playing by the rules.

Thank you for your e-mail.

I am pleased to forward the link from our web-side with information concerning visas to family members of EU citizens. See below:

http://thailand.um.dk/en/~/media/Thailand/Documents/Visum/Checklist%20TH%20EU%20family%20members.pdf

You can apply at VFS: http://thailand.um.dk/en/travel-and-residence/going-to-denmark/where-to-apply/

With all needed documentation at hand and no problems, we can make a visit visa for your wife quite swiftly.

The embassy does not charge a fee for our work, but VFS charges a small fee for obtaining biometry.

When in Denmark you will have to contact Statsforvaltningen for a stay permit. Read more about it here: http://www.statsforvaltningen.dk/site.aspx?p=6394

[micmichd]

This is a very good thread with all these informations for various European countries.

[beano2274]

Am awaiting an answer from the KVR (Government office in Munich), as we are preparing to get my Mother in Law, a Visitors Visa using the EU Citizen route (Me being the citizen), and then getting an Aufenthaltskarte (Residence Card) here, the same route I used for my wife. Should be that

we require, copy of her passport, photo, and Registration at a Residence in Munich, but you never know.

Edited October 30, 2015 by beano2274

[beano2274]

Spoken to the KVR in Munich and they say that they will not accept someone coming with a Tourist visa and then trying to get a Residence Card as

the actual reason for coming to Germany has changed, the person should now get a National Visa from the Embassy in Bangkok.