Ajarn Posted October 4, 2006 Share Posted October 4, 2006 What began as a restriction on the number of 30 day visas on arrival has turned out to be a major reshuffling of immigration regulations, most of which were framed as far back as 1979. The new rules apply to short term and long term tourists and farang residents and cover yearly extensions of various types, investment visas and even work permits. The fact that it was announced on September 24 that the national immigration bureau chief lieutenant general Suwit Thamrongsrisakul has been transferred to an inactive post is not thought to have any bearing on visa matters. None the less, Pattaya Today stresses that the changes described below were accurate as of September 26, when we went to press, with an anticipated implementation date of October 1. “Living” in Thailand on 30 day visas. As previously announced, it will no longer be possible to “live” in Thailand simply by traveling to the border of a neighboring country and receiving indefinitely the 30 day visa on arrival. In future, foreigners will only be able to “live” in Thailand on visas on arrival only for up to 90 days (three months) in any 180 (six months) day period. Effectively, this means three consecutive runs to the border post (30+30+30) are the limit. The most commonly used border posts for Pattaya based visa runners are Aranyaprathet, Pong Nam Ron and Pailin in Cambodia. Foreigners wishing to go on “living” in Thailand for the next three months would need to obtain a prior tourist visa at a Thai consulate or embassy in another country – not at a border post. The most likely destination for the budget traveler is Penang where the Thai consul general is currently awarding single entry tourist visas. These used to be valid for a stay of up to 60 days but from October 1 they are valid for a stay of 90 days. They cannot be extended. The presumption is that, after that 90 days has elapsed using the Penang visa, foreigners would then be free to take visa runs to the Cambodian border for a further three months (30+30+30) before needing to return again to Penang or wherever Foreigners traveling to Penang are advised to go and return by air. Some travelers have experienced difficulties on the Thai side of the Malaysian border when trying to return by train, even with a new visa. The immigration bureau has confirmed that there is no limit to the number of 30 day visas on arrival for an individual, provided that he or she is “living” not in Thailand for longer than 90 days in any block of 180 days. The logic behind the new rules about visas on arrival is to discourage their use as a kind of cheap residence permit. Extensions to 30 day visas. In an important new ruling, the former 15 day extension of a 30 day visa on arrival at Thai immigration offices has been changed to 7 days only. You may also have a 7 days stamp placed in your passport if the immigration authority refuses your application for a retirement or married man’s visa or if you are deemed to have made too many visa runs to the Cambodian border. If you get such a stamp, you must quit Thailand within one week or risk arrest for overstay. Abolition of investment visa. This visa allowed foreigners to reside in Thai for a year provided they placed 3 million baht in a Thai bank or in bonds. It was often used by foreigners under 50 who did not yet qualify in age for a retirement visa but wished to be based in Thailand. The understanding is that existing applications and renewals will be accepted, but that no new applications can be made from the beginning of October 2006. Retirement visa. This allows foreigners aged 50 and over to extend a non-immigrant visa for up to 12 months from the date of the last entry into Thailand. It requires either 800,000 baht in a Thai bank or a combination of cash in the bank and proof of pension paid in the home country. A letter from the respective embassy is required for proof of pension. From now on, the immigration officer will need to see proof that the 800,000 baht has been there for three months prior to the visa being issued. This is to stop the practice of moving money into a bank account, and promptly out again, once the visa is granted. The old regulation, however, that you must produce an annual medical certificate for this visa has been withdrawn. Marriage visa. This allows the foreign, legal spouse of a Thai national to extend a non-immigrant visa for up to 12 months from the date of the last entry into Thailand. The minimum cash in a Thai bank is 400,000 baht. As with the retirement variant, checks will be made in future to ensure that the cash is not simply put in a bank and then removed. This visa is issued in Bangkok only and, during the waiting period, checks can be made by immigration police at your bank to see if there has been a big cash withdrawal! If the funds have disappeared, you may be ordered to leave Thailand in 7 days. Local immigration officers will also visit your home to verify that you really do live together as man and wife. Work permit regulations. We are advised that work permits with the term “Consultant” in the title will not be accepted in future. It is felt the term is too vague and potentially condones work related activity contrary to the alien labour act. Obviously, work permit holders need to consult their lawyers about the detail. Those applying for work permits for the first time will first require a non-immigrant business (type “B”) visa from a Thai consulate or embassy abroad. This will only be granted if the applicant has a Wp3 work permit receipt form from the Labour Office, photocopy of all limited company registration papers, all official paperwork showing company stamp, invitation letter from the limited company advising on your potential role and stating salary, photocopy of your passport, two passport size photos. Multiple entry visas. Many Thai consulates in the Pacific rim, specifically Penang, have now issued statements that they will issue only single entry visas in future. This ruling is irrespective of type. However, if foreigners choose to return to the country of their passport (say Europe, USA, Australia) they may find that multiple entry visas, both tourist and non-immigrant, are still being awarded. The reasoning seems to be that if you need a double, triple or multiple entry visa, then go back to your own country. Please Note: The above information came from the Pattaya Mail and is checked by Alan Hall’s lawyers, who in turn checked it with Immigration. We do advice you to contact Immigration yourself concerning your own situation and/or check with a lawyer. While every effort has been made to ensure that the information contained herein is correct, CEC cannot be held responsible for any errors that may occur. The views of the contributors may not necessarily reflect the view of CEC. Views and opinions expressed herein may change with changes in regulations and should not be used in isolation. -- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maestro Posted October 4, 2006 Share Posted October 4, 2006 ...The above information came from the Pattaya Mail and is checked by Alan Hall’s lawyers, who in turn checked it with Immigration. We do advice you to contact Immigration yourself concerning your own situation and/or check with a lawyer. While every effort has been made to ensure that the information contained herein is correct, CEC cannot be held responsible for any errors that may occur. The views of the contributors may not necessarily reflect the view of CEC. Views and opinions expressed herein may change with changes in regulations and should not be used in isolation. Who are CEC?The information regarding “Marriage visa” is incomplete. For complete information, see paragraph 7.17 of this document. Extension with 400K in the bank is no longer available for new applicants applying for the first time (unless the rules change again) --------------- Maestro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiang Rai,s Crazy Chris Posted October 4, 2006 Share Posted October 4, 2006 ...The above information came from the Pattaya Mail and is checked by Alan Hall’s lawyers, who in turn checked it with Immigration. We do advice you to contact Immigration yourself concerning your own situation and/or check with a lawyer. While every effort has been made to ensure that the information contained herein is correct, CEC cannot be held responsible for any errors that may occur. The views of the contributors may not necessarily reflect the view of CEC. Views and opinions expressed herein may change with changes in regulations and should not be used in isolation. Who are CEC?The information regarding “Marriage visa” is incomplete. For complete information, see paragraph 7.17 of this document. Extension with 400K in the bank is no longer available for new applicants applying for the first time (unless the rules change again) --------------- Maestro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samuian Posted October 4, 2006 Share Posted October 4, 2006 Multiple entry visas. Many Thai consulates in the Pacific rim, specifically Penang, have now issued statements that they will issue only single entry visas in future. This ruling is irrespective of type. However, if foreigners choose to return to the country of their passport (say Europe, USA, Australia) they may find that multiple entry visas, both tourist and non-immigrant, are still being awarded. ??? Even a Non-B + WP ? will it then be valid for a year? I wonder.... I have to fly back home to work in T.? I can't get the 'logic' in there.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noel Posted October 4, 2006 Share Posted October 4, 2006 Who are CEC?Maestro Possibly the Canadian Education Centre Network? It may well be the case that their information is correct, but would it not have been preferable to have it imparted by a credible Thai source...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maestro Posted October 4, 2006 Share Posted October 4, 2006 It may well be the case that their information is correctCorrect, but incomplete. There have already been reports in this forum that applicants applying for the first time for an extension of stay for support of Thai wife with 400K in the bank have been refused. This is confirmation that the new rule under paragraph 7.17 of the National Police Office Order No. 606/2006 is being followed to the letter, except perhaps temporarily where the new order has not yet filtered down to the bottom level at an immigration office. --------------- Maestro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimGant Posted October 5, 2006 Share Posted October 5, 2006 From the National Police Order: 7.23 In case of entering forvisiting a Thai wife / husband or child. The permission shall be granted only one time with the granted period not exceeding 60 days. (1) Have evidence affirming the relationship and, (2) In case of the marriage couple, the spouse shall have the both practical and legal relationship. 1. Application form 2. Copy of applicant’s passport 3. Copy of census registration 4. Copy of the Thai national’s ID Card 5. Copy of marriage certificate or birth certificate Any take on this? Is the Non Imm O visa to visit relatives being replaced with a single entry Tourist Visa? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumbo Posted October 5, 2006 Share Posted October 5, 2006 What began as a restriction on the number of 30 day visas on arrival has turned out to be amajor reshuffling of immigration regulations, most of which were framed as far back as 1979. The new rules apply to short term and long term tourists and farang residents and cover yearly extensions of various types, investment visas and even work permits. The fact that it was announced on September 24 that the national immigration bureau chief lieutenant general Suwit Thamrongsrisakul has been transferred to an inactive post is not thought to have any bearing on visa matters. None the less, Pattaya Today stresses that the changes described below were accurate as of September 26, when we went to press, with an anticipated implementation date of October 1. “Living” in Thailand on 30 day visas. As previously announced, it will no longer be possible to “live” in Thailand simply by traveling to the border of a neighboring country and receiving indefinitely the 30 day visa on arrival. In future, foreigners will only be able to “live” in Thailand on visas on arrival only for up to 90 days (three months) in any 180 (six months) day period. Effectively, this means three consecutive runs to the border post (30+30+30) are the limit. The most commonly used border posts for Pattaya based visa runners are Aranyaprathet, Pong Nam Ron and Pailin in Cambodia. Please Note: The above information came from the Pattaya Mail and is checked by Alan Hall’s lawyers, who in turn checked it with Immigration. We do advice you to contact Immigration yourself concerning your own situation and/or check with a lawyer. While every effort has been made to ensure that the information contained herein is correct, CEC cannot be held responsible for any errors that may occur. The views of the contributors may not necessarily reflect the view of CEC. Views and opinions expressed herein may change with changes in regulations and should not be used in isolation. -- I just had an interesting discussion about the actual difference between the fac that when we arrive we do not need a visa the so-called Visa Exempt and the Visa on Arrival. n the way the Pattaya Mail writes it and 'confirmed and checked by Alan Hall's lawyers and checked with immigration' we now all should have to apply for a VOA instead of the actual Visa Exempt Or are Pattaya Mail and Allan Hall plus imigration unaware of the difference between VOA and Visa Exempt It think we need some real experts here.........Sunbelt??? J Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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