Thailand Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 (edited) I think the online reporting is only if you have a business and have registered accordingly, been accepted, and activated an associated CD that allows online reporting, mainly for hotels, guest houses etc. Complicated isn't it? And the question about a sub lease, that's a teaser! Just seen Tywais added the same info. Edited November 19, 2015 by Thailand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaeJoMTB Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 (edited) My main reason to write this post was to get this issue out to the attention of as many people as possible so hopefully not too many would have to pay as I did. Or at least be aware of what is going on!! Yeah, but problem being, they didn't fine the person responsible. They fined you and you paid. An easy mark. Hey, I'm not getting at you or your misses, this is how extortion works. Thai authorities have an uncanny knack of picking on those who appear weak (or meek). If they played that game with my misses, it would be an entirely different outcome. And when they came to try and extort money from her, she would say 'do your worst', then it would quickly become her police captain brother Vs police immigration officer. I'd like to watch that game. But they would never play it. Edited November 19, 2015 by MaeJoMTB 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tywais Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 Why do you find it necessary to call it extortion when it is the law? As for the 'missus', others have tried that tactic with no luck. Also may put IO in a corner and make it more complicated the next time you need their services. I wouldn't try pushing their buttons and nothing to do with being weak, just smart choices and self preservation. For the 1st 10 years in Thailand I never did a 90 day report but finally caught up with me at extension time when they also started enforcing the law, as they are now, and had to pay 2000 Baht. Never once considered it extortion as it was the law and I was in the wrong. Don't forget what has been happening in Thailand that may have been the catalyst for this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovelomsak Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 What if the wife owns the house and the foreigner has a yellow book? Is all this still necessary? Or do we get a pass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaeJoMTB Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 (edited) Why do you find it necessary to call it extortion when it is the law? As for the 'missus', others have tried that tactic with no luck. Also may put IO in a corner and make it more complicated the next time you need their services. I wouldn't try pushing their buttons and nothing to do with being weak, just smart choices and self preservation. The law.... we've decided to enforce some rules, there will be a fine next time. Extortion .... pay us money now or else. There is a difference. Anyway, my wife's fines are her business, nothing to do with me if she gets into trouble, she's a grown woman. Edited November 19, 2015 by MaeJoMTB 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tywais Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 Moved to the Visa forum as this is not Chiang Mai specific. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FritzB Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 (edited) Does this mean that when you do a border run to acticate your next tourist visa entry (for those who are still on 2- or 3-entry TR visas), Immigration will need a new TM-30 within 24 hrs? Even if you're still staying at the same place and just do a quick border bouncer? Edited November 19, 2015 by FritzB 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chorizo Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 My Farang friend went to Immigration near Airport. Got fined 800b. So they called to Promenada Imm. and received different answers to all the questions you guys have posted. One office say one thing the other says different. Along with another Farang friend and his wife, they all went to Promenada. The thai wifes asked two different staff and not the same answers.at the same office. Ok they started over and went to the head man running the office. In my original post is what he told them... No fine for now. Yellow book does not exempt you from filing. You leave the country (border run) you file again. I have heard of owning a condo and renting a house in another town.....maybe they ask the landlord to not file that they will do at their condo...? This is a new question that Immigration may have to answer like at the Expats club? That would be a lot of paper work doing that many times...and wasted time for both parties.... I filed with my thai wife at Promenada, TM 30 form, copy passport, front page, and visa, arrival card n stamp. Plus I had copy of yellow book. They wanted the wifes house book but they took mine. Took about 10 minutes... T.M.30 is about the Thai owner of the property not the renter.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tropico Posted November 19, 2015 Author Share Posted November 19, 2015 My Farang friend went to Immigration near Airport. Got fined 800b. So they called to Promenada Imm. and received different answers to all the questions you guys have posted. One office say one thing the other says different. Along with another Farang friend and his wife, they all went to Promenada. The thai wifes asked two different staff and not the same answers.at the same office. Ok they started over and went to the head man running the office. In my original post is what he told them... No fine for now. Yellow book does not exempt you from filing. You leave the country (border run) you file again. I have heard of owning a condo and renting a house in another town.....maybe they ask the landlord to not file that they will do at their condo...? This is a new question that Immigration may have to answer like at the Expats club? That would be a lot of paper work doing that many times...and wasted time for both parties.... I filed with my thai wife at Promenada, TM 30 form, copy passport, front page, and visa, arrival card n stamp. Plus I had copy of yellow book. They wanted the wifes house book but they took mine. Took about 10 minutes... T.M.30 is about the Thai owner of the property not the renter.... I am not sure if you feel the same but It sounds very confusing to me. Definitely the law should be clarified and explained!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rebo Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 If you go to Immigration near Airport, they will fine you. Go to Promanada IMM. and they will not. Can I make spouse visa extention at Prom? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chorizo Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 Question of who files..renter or owner of land n house..... take your Thai wife and go to Promenada Imm office and talk only to the office manager. Calling in will get you some staff that probably does not know the correct answer. And a Thai will not tell you that they do not know... As for all our posters on TV, each may read the rules different. What I have posted is what the office manager at Promenada office told my friends. As to OP, if you go there, take the fine paper with you and tell them what happened. They probably can not reverse the fine but will give u an answer on renter owner issue. Even if u have to go to Airport Immigration cuz of marriage visa, in future I would file at Promenada for form TM30. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovelomsak Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 Do I understand this correctly. Any time i leave the house and stay the night somewhere else I need to fill out forms. If I go to Bangkok to the embassy i must let immigration know.I am away from my home. Sounds a bit harsh to me.If I go Kah Kha camping how do I do that one,willnot know even what camp ground. They want to know where we are every night? seems like a lot of paper work for them and us. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FritzB Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 Do I understand this correctly. Any time i leave the house and stay the night somewhere else I need to fill out forms. If I go to Bangkok to the embassy i must let immigration know.I am away from my home. Sounds a bit harsh to me.If I go Kah Kha camping how do I do that one,willnot know even what camp ground. They want to know where we are every night? seems like a lot of paper work for them and us. That would be utter madness and I can't imagine any immigration office would be able to deal with that amount of paperwork. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oncearugge Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 Do I understand this correctly. Any time i leave the house and stay the night somewhere else I need to fill out forms. If I go to Bangkok to the embassy i must let immigration know.I am away from my home. Sounds a bit harsh to me.If I go Kah Kha camping how do I do that one,willnot know even what camp ground. They want to know where we are every night? seems like a lot of paper work for them and us. Many here are overstating the requirements and constructing Mountains out of molehills! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matej Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 Someone from police needs 2000 THB nothing else ... Something similar happened to me this summer: http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/847584-tourist-visa-extension-madness/#entry9723508 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovelomsak Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 Do I understand this correctly. Any time i leave the house and stay the night somewhere else I need to fill out forms. If I go to Bangkok to the embassy i must let immigration know.I am away from my home. Sounds a bit harsh to me.If I go Kah Kha camping how do I do that one,willnot know even what camp ground. They want to know where we are every night? seems like a lot of paper work for them and us. That would be utter madness and I can't imagine any immigration office would be able to deal with that amount of paperwork. I feel the same but TIT and what all these posters have been saying about forms boggles my mind. If the preposted posters are right about this looks like many of us are going to the attitude adjustment center right soon.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aberman1970 Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 What happens when you are living in your own condo, do you need to report yourself or is the 90 day enough? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asiantravel Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 I would find it very hard to believe they have anywhere near the physical resources to keep up with the amount of daily movements of all foreigners in Thailand even if it's all computerised. Firstly you're only looking at an eight hour working day Monday to Friday whereas people are travelling and changing locations well outside of these hours and continually. Plus the immigration office staff are busy processing applications all day long. They would need to have a huge support staff to keep up with all this data. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tywais Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 Previous topics on this that pretty much covers everything. House Owner Report To Immigration?' TM30s and Visa Extensions Nation-wide TM-30 Form Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacksam Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 Seriously is this post for real. I leave los every couple of weeks. Live with tgh 3 years in a rented condo. I never report being away from my condo ( prison) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tropico Posted November 19, 2015 Author Share Posted November 19, 2015 The main thing i understood from here is that many people are confused and there are so many different cases. I feel overwhelmed sometimes!! To be honest there hasn't been a time that I went to the immigration and the documents of the year before were enough. Every year there has been one of few more documents to add. No big deal but frustrating at times. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackThompson Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 I must be missing something here. I live in a large condo. So every time I leave for 24 hours+, they need to file a report upon my return? How would they know? Perhaps an addendum to the lease, stipulating my cooperation to facilitate this, and a fee for my failure to to do so, to cover their fine? Hotels, guesthouses, etc would need to have something akin to airport-gates with key-cards, so they could know when an absence has exceeded the threshold ... to avoid being fined for failure to report. Something doesn't sound right with this. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post NoshowJones Posted November 19, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted November 19, 2015 Sounds like a scam. If you leave the country, departure immigration report you leaving. If you stay in a hotel elsewhere in Thailand, they are responsible for reporting. That's exactly what happened. The border immigration reported me and the hotel as well. But they said that also my wife should have reported me for leaving home in Chiang mai and she should have given details of my travel in the online form. Only a business can use the online reporting form. I would report the incident to the NCPO corruption department. CM Immigration must now be the most corrupt in the country. What about all the landlords that don't live with their tenants? How are they supposed to know where tenants are going each day? This just doesn't make any sense. There's not a lot makes sense where Thailands immigration authorities are concerned. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoshowJones Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 What a bureaucratic goat rope the Thai government causes themselves & all of us! Is it that they love the authority they have when wearing uniforms? Is it just that they do not like us? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emster23 Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 If I rent apt in BKK with Thai gf, both our names on rental agreement and still keep my condo in Jomtien... back and forth couple times a month, do I have to report? Do I need to clone myself? Never ask a local "How stupid can you get?". Consider it a challenge. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F4UCorsair Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 Thailand will remain in the dark ages with this type of bureaucracy. Just imagine the resources requirwd to track aliens......for what? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
menzies233 Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 This has got me really confused now! Can someone clarify my situation as I am sure we have probably violated some immigration laws if I get the gist of this post. I have yellow book as proof of residence, Thai driving licence, 1 year extension based on marriage, multiple re entry permit. I worked in China on a 3 month on 1 week off contract for over a year, so I was out of Thailand for a long period of time. When I returned to Thailand was my wife supposed to report me to immigration on this TM30 form or whatever it is? I have been filing 90 day reports a few times this year when required. I also left Chiang Mai and stayed at an hotel in Bangkok for 1 night, is she supposed to report this too? The land the house is on is in my young son's name, however the blue book will be in my wife's name. This has got me a bit confused to say the least! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elgordo38 Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 I can't imagine our Condo office reporting who is leaving the country and when we're back. Actually all the places that rents out long terms rooms, apartments, houses etc. to foreigners, should report them. But I think that most of it don't do it. I don't think our condo does. Just before I go for my visa extension I go down to the office and ask for a residency renewal paper/letter which they give me. I show this at immigration and they never say anything in fact they pay little attention to it and return it to me. Like everything else here immigration related I think its open for local interpretation/requirement, bad hair day. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowgard Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 If you are confused, ask direct the Immigration Office online on Facebook: Thai Immigration Office Public Information is the best!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stgrhe Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 I can't imagine our Condo office reporting who is leaving the country and when we're back. It has nothing to do with a condo office. It is the responsibility of the unit owner to report if an "alian" is staying in the unit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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