Putin orders sanctions against Turkey after downing of jet

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Nope. Russia caused nothing. It was a little mistake. The exact same thing happened in Israel and Israel did not bomb the Russian jet out of the sky

It did last year. IDF blew a Sukhoi 24 right out of the sky. It had been flown in to Israel air space by the Syrian Air Force and pilot. The Su-24. The Russian fighter jet that keeps getting blown out of the sky by US made fighter jets used by other allied ME governments.

Israel is being more forgiving of Putin because Putin assured Netanyahu face to face he means no harm to Israel, relative to Iran especially. Neither is Putin bombing Jews at the Israeli border. Putin is indeed bombing Turkmen at the Turkey border.

Putin is trying to boss Erdogan to leave Syria to Russia. Erdogan won't have any of it from Putin. As far as Erdogan is concerned Putin needs to go home. Putin has grossly misjudged Erdogan and Turkey's vital interests in its own back yard. The only way for Putin to prevail is to twist Erdogan's arm until it breaks. Vlad doesn't think about the consequences of anything.

Yes it is true perhaps that Russia misjudged Turkeys interest in working directly with ISIS to support ISIS. I am sure the French and UK have misjudged this too.

Eventually some American made shoulder fired anti aircraft guns will be taking down French and UK jets. That will be a lot to be proud of.

Yes it is true perhaps that Russia misjudged Turkeys interest in working directly with ISIS to support ISIS.

Not what my post said.

http://www.readwritethink.org/resources/resource-print.html?id=139

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So in a conflict surrounded by uncertainty and propaganda you resort to quoting wiki?

Wiki is a great source of quick info. Is it perfect? No. But if validated across other media sources, it's pretty good. Don't dismiss it just because it doesn't say what you want. Easy to use Google and do the research yourself.

Here's the take from France:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/09/30/us-france-syria-assad-idUSKCN0RU11320150930

France is investigating Bashar al-Assad over alleged crimes against humanity, the Paris prosecutor's office said on Wednesday, launching a case that highlights divisions among major powers over relations with the Syrian leader.

The investigation, which is also examining claims of torture and kidnapping by Assad's forces, was opened "on the basis of indications received from the foreign ministry" on Sept. 10, an official at the prosecutor's office said.

An estimated 250,000 people have been killed in Syria's four-year civil war between Assad's troops, rebel groups and Islamic State militants, and a further 11 million displaced.

The ministry's dossier drew on some 55,000 photographic images smuggled out of the country by a former Syrian army officer, showing 11,000 alleged victims of forces loyal to Assad, according to various media reports.

Interesting article from Ireland:

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/middle-east/brutal-assad-sells-the-illusion-of-stability-1.2375198

Ironically, when Assad succeeded his father, the main concern of Syrians was that he would not be tough enough to hold the country together. Hafez had ordered the slaughter of up to 20,000 residents of Hama when the Muslim Brotherhood staged an uprising there in 1982.

Bashar has far surpassed his father in brutality. An estimated 250,000 Syrians have died violent deaths since 2011. The French government says 80 per cent were killed by the regime.

This week Paris launched an inquiry into “crimes against humanity” based on 55,000 photographs of cadavers, smuggled out by a Syrian police photographer. They show some 11,000 Syrians tortured to death by Assad’s henchmen.

And a great analysis of how the current Assad became a brutal dictator:

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/stop-the-cycle/201309/how-bashar-al-assad-became-brutal-dictator

While the Syrian crisis continues captivates the world’s attention, I can’t help but wonder, “How did we get here?” At an early point in his presidency, Bashar al-Assad was seen as a reformer and a force of positive change in the Middle East. Now, evidence is mounting that Bashar is behind the chemical weapons attack, which killed 1,400 people just outside Damascus with the UN classifying the attack as ‘’a war crime’’. The Civil War has cost over 100,000 people their lives and has led to over 2 million refugees fleeing Syrian territory. How did this man develop into a brutal dictator? To fully understand, we must look into his past and uncover the Risk Factors that lead up to these atrocities.

I believe that much of Bashar’s predisposition for violence stems from his early childhood development and his family. Bashar al-Assad was the second son of Hafez and Anisa al-Assad. Hafez was the President of Syria for 3 decades and ruled severely and brutally. Throughout his life, Bashar’s father was emotionally absent from the family. In addition, Bashar’s brother Bassel treated his younger sibling with cruelty and bullying.

Hard not to become a brutal dictator when your father was the same.