MrTee Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 Nomsod's height is 160 cm. Wai is under 150 CM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asiamaster Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 (edited) Nomsod's height is 160 cm. Wai is under 150 CM What about the length of the hair? Edited December 31, 2015 by asiamaster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phuketandsee Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 If I was running this defence I'd be bringing in an expert Lawyer from outside Thailand with proven defence experience in murder trials, he doesn't need to be addressing the court just directing the existing team on what they should be contesting and how, I'm sure the Myanmar government could afford the bill On the other hand I can't help getting the feeling that the defence held back from contesting a lot of this stuff until this case reaches a higher level through the appeals process, it could be by design I sure hope you're right Smed. Maybe they are waiting for the UK inquests to blow the prosecution case to pieces although I have read posts that say new evidence is not permitted. Maybe destroying previously presented "evidence" is allowed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockingrobin Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 Nomsod's height is 160 cm. Wai is under 150 CM What about the length of the hair? According to MM the police initially thought it was him , and made him re-enact running past the camera for comparison Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T_Dog Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 "If it were two Britons that had been sentenced to death row, and this much doubt surrounded their case, the outcry would be huge." http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/thailand-backpacker-murders-britain-too-quick-to-accept-thai-court-s-verdict-a6791226.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrTee Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 Nomsod's height is 160 cm. Wai is under 150 CM What about the length of the hair?According to MM the police initially thought it was him , and made him re-enact running past the camera for comparison clearly not him.. His hair is similar, but the facial features are very different. Check the above images and note the chin line.. Besides the gait gives it away and we all know it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brewsterbudgen Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 "If it were two Britons that had been sentenced to death row, and this much doubt surrounded their case, the outcry would be huge." http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/thailand-backpacker-murders-britain-too-quick-to-accept-thai-court-s-verdict-a6791226.html Sure, in Britain. Less so in Myanmar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balo Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 The chain of events as far as I have pieced it together was the police asked for help from the public to identify the man on the CCTV footage, AKA the running man; the people at CSI-LA didn't like when Nomsod went to their page to contend their BS and decided he looked like that man, then the police used that supposed ID to make their statement. You know, the same way that people here decided that anyone that doesn't jump in the "Scapegoats" bandwagon must be connected with the murders or the supposed cover up. This was posted last year by the man running the CSI-LA page "Nom Sod" and his friends had posted comments on CSI during the time that Sean leaked out a statement that he was being threatened and bullied by the mafia. In many ways, this allowed Admin and people on CSI LA page to. see the suspicious behavior and we were able to recognize the close similarity in the physical features of the suspect betweem the CCTV video and "Nom Sod"." it refers primarily to cctv footage that was never made public, you think the only footage from all the cameras on that Island that night/morning consisted of about 20secs in total, another alarming fact is why police did not seize cctv footage from AC bar, the place the victims were last known to be alive which should have been the starting point for the police investigation "it refers primarily to cctv footage that was never made public," Is it? I think you are just making assumptions. In any case the man in the footage looks (at least the hair), very much like Wei Phyo: 10255664_167427003616827_1542313092971708374_n.jpg Hair completely covering the ear, pronounced forward pointing sideburns, the length at the back and the overall volume of the hair. IMO anyone that denies the close similarities is not paying attention, at best. We have seen similar comparisons with Nomsod and others , in my opinion it could be any asian boy with a hair cut like that , but I agree that the hair cut matches the cctv image. It was not good enough evidence to be used in court. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balo Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 (edited) Mon was photographed inside the crime scene a few hours after the bodies were discovered also on a Thai TV News reprt footage aswell as I remember. So why the hell was he not a witness for the defence? A member of the public inside a crime scene? Why? He has to tell why he was inside that police line! bcase it was 50 m from hes back yard,he is the land owner and he was the one who quided the police there.What u suggest he shud of grow pair of wings and fly away from the crime scene,so off course he was in picture. After police was escorted by him , police did close the area .how do i know this.bcase i was there. 75 % of stories written in paper about this case was un true and only written&published to sell papers. He was inside a crime scene....periodIt does not matter if it had happened inside his front room, it's a crime scene...Law enforcement only! Not in Thailand , thats why we have this difficult case . He is the land owner , bar owner and maybe friends with the police. In a western country he would not be allowed in to look at the bodies and touch anything. But TIT , we have seen this before. Yes he is not making it easy for himself if he is innocent. Edited December 31, 2015 by balo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boomerangutang Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 Siding with the prosecutor, the court yesterday accepted the DNA test as valid and up to international standards. It rejected argument from the defense lawyers that the DNA test was performed solely by the Institute of Forensic Medicine, which operates under the Thai police force, could have been forged or tampered with. http://www.khaosodenglish.com/detail.php?newsid=1451042373 That's a key component. If the judge(s) had doubts about the DNA, which most of us do, and all experts involved with the trial do, then the prosecution's case would not have a thread to hang on. The RTP's handling of DNA is worthy its own complete chapter in The DNA Guidebook, titled: How to Mishandle DNA. It's actually worse than ineptitude. Any objective person looking at the entire DNA trail as claimed by RTP could only conclude that it was contrived: >>> No reliable notes >>> all hinges on RTP hearsay >>> No verification of DNA in Hannah by Brit forensics >>> Nomsod's DNA was probably not even typed according to a lead RTP inspector at the trial. No sharing of DNA data with Brit forensics. >>> Complete inability of RTP forensics to provide anything (except hearsay) to Australian expert witness, thereby forcing her to cancel testimony. >>> lost hair, lost Hannah's clothes >>> confirmation by Thailand's top forensic expert that RTP screwed up. Add to that; Thai forensics didn't even notice the multiple (about 9) stab wounds to David. All they mentioned was a blunt force injury on the top of his head. probably it would had added a dozen or so suspects to sort through from the people he was in contact with on that night at the packed bars she visited that night. The Koh Tao Truthers idea of good investigative work seems to be that the police should had spent time painstakingly analyzing the clothes for clues while ignoring or setting aside the unambiguous DNA from the semen in the victim. Let's see, on one hand spend time and resources investigating evidence that may or may not give a DNA profile for people that may or may not have been involved in the crime versus using evidence that can be easily processed and it is 100% guaranteed to provide a DNA profile of the attackers... tough choice. By the way, the idea that the clothes are missing comes from Andy Hall saying that he doesn't know were they are. Of course Hannah's clothes should have been inspected minutely. One of two things happened by RTP: They inspected the clothing and found evidence that pointed to Headman's people - so therefore obliged to make no mention AND trash the evidence. OR Didn't even think to inspect Hannah's clothing, which would put it in the same category of RTP's admitted, "didn't look at video of sea craft leaving island right after the murder, because didn't think it was important." Either way, the RTP should be busted for gross incompetence or for knowingly skewing/trashing evidence because it pointed at the people they're sworn to shield from scrutiny. If I was in charge of RTP I'd have every officer involved in the investigation, including Somyot, seriously investigated. I'd also closely look at their bank account activities for past 15 months, including whether any rec'd any extravagant gifts (property, vehicles, jewelry, etc.). Note: Even if there was sperm inside Hannah, it doesn't automatically prove rape. Personally, from looking at all that's been reported, I don't think there was sperm in Hannah. Brit autopsy didn't find any, and Thai forensics says they don't have any samples of evidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balo Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 (edited) And just for good measure lets see the sort of deliberately misleading twisting of the facts the people that want the murderers to walk away free are up to. This is an example of what they use to mislead people into thinking Nomsod is the man in the CCTV instead of Wai Phyo: 10363680_565311533618085_2032572041812905673_n.jpg Using a photo of WP after he had his hair cut... well, wouldn't you know it?, it doesn't look the same at all! Still fails because it can clearly be seen that Nomsod's hair leaves the ear visible, and the man on the CCTV footage the hair completely cover the ear. This picture was taken, I believe, when he was arrested, with the original hair, so to speak. I have only recently found this photos, and now I can say with certainty that Wei Phyo is the "Running Man" I have not seen that picture before of Wei Phyo, or maybe not paying attention to it. If that picture was taken around the same time as the murder I admit it looks like a good match . But again, the unclear cctv footage was not considered good enough evidence against them in court. Edited December 31, 2015 by balo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slip Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 (edited) For information purposes:http://www.nationmultimedia.com/opinion/Let-the-Koh-Tao-evidence-speak-for-itself-30275935.html EDIT: Thanks for posting the text Stealth. Edited December 31, 2015 by Slip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StealthEnergiser Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 For information purposes: http://www.nationmultimedia.com/opinion/Let-the-Koh-Tao-evidence-speak-for-itself-30275935.html December 31, 2015 1:00 am The most effective way for the Royal Thai Police to convince the world that its investigation of the Koh Tao rape-murders meets international standards is to show us the evidence. It is not enough to merely say, "Trust us." For example, show us the original certificate of accreditation from the "non-profit professional association actively involved in forensic science and nationally recognised", as demanded by the American Bar Association (https://www.americanbar.org/publications/criminal_justice_section_archive/crimjust_standards_dnaevidence.html). And show us the peer-review report, since "laboratories submitting data to the National DNA Index System must adhere to the FBI Quality Assurance Standards [which] stipulate that all DNA casework be reviewed by a separate analyst." (http://www.crime-scene-investigator.net/SimplifiedGuideDNA.pdf) The police must act in accordance with their own advice to suspects: "If you're innocent, don't act as if you were guilty. Be transparent about it." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bunglebag Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 (edited) Mmmmmmmmmmmmmm! https://www.facebook.com/CSILA90210/posts/722722867805441 That post is BS, it claims that the victims were murdered at the place they were staying, they were sharing rooms with friends. Unfortunately it's the kind of BS that is consumed with gusto by those that don't want to accept reality for what it is instead of what they wish it would be. Besides that, a man claiming to be Burmese, using a Thai celebrity photo taken from Panthip as his image creates an account to make one post... Say, anyone wants to buy a bridge? Why still here so much? You got the result you wanted already Same question to lucky11, discodan, theCruncher Edited December 31, 2015 by bunglebag Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slip Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 (edited) Mmmmmmmmmmmmmm! https://www.facebook.com/CSILA90210/posts/722722867805441 That post is BS, it claims that the victims were murdered at the place they were staying, they were sharing rooms with friends. Unfortunately it's the kind of BS that is consumed with gusto by those that don't want to accept reality for what it is instead of what they wish it would be. Besides that, a man claiming to be Burmese, using a Thai celebrity photo taken from Panthip as his image creates an account to make one post... Say, anyone wants to buy a bridge? Why still here so much? You got the result you wanted already 3 words?- starting with the letters s, o. and l respectively. Happy New Year to all. Edited December 31, 2015 by Slip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bunglebag Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 What's the official plot here? Forgive me, I have not read all the aspects of this cruel crime, as much as other experts here. D&H at the beach. D has all his clothes stripped down without one shoe? H has on all her clothes? Then the perpetrators come after drinking 2-3 beers and beat with the Hoe D unconscious? Raping H 1 time vaginal and 2 times anal? Then they hack their victim barbarous to death and go home sleep? Is this the official Plot? Well that does seem to fill in the blanks of their story which is. We were drinking and suddenly decided to take a swim at 1 o'clock in the morning, whilst it was raining. Our clothes were then stolen, but not the guitar or Wei Phyo shoes. We left those behind and went back to room to sleep. We can't remember anything between 1am and 5am because oh we were overcome by the alcohol. At 5 o'clock in the morning Muang Muang woke us up and Wei Phyo and Muang we innocently went back to the beach to get our things. We looked for a long time but could not find the guitar, so we separated. As I (Wei Phyo ) was walking along the beach looking for my shoes, I stumbled upon a telephone that is similar to David's but probably not David's, some other person must have left it on the beach. I don't know, I'm confused. Just in case it might be David's we decided to get rid of it and destroy it, because we thought we might get accused of the crime that we had just heard about this morning. There is cctv of david wandering about around 1am isn't there - I don't remember it raining on there, or was it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artisi Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 (edited) Seems the Village Glee Club have retired for the evening or they don't have any nonsense to post in counter to the latest posts, and they aren't being missed by most people. Maybe their shift at the keyboard is over for awhile. Edited December 31, 2015 by Artisi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2fishin2 Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 Wow I thought reaching 100 pages would be a milestone....I think just today alone there has been 30 or more pages of worthless speculation and opinions added. You guys really need to get a life. Its done, over, finished, kaput, owari desu. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artisi Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 Wow I thought reaching 100 pages would be a milestone....I think just today alone there has been 30 or more pages of worthless speculation and opinions added. You guys really need to get a life. Its done, over, finished, kaput, owari desu. It is a long way from being over, it has only just started. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artisi Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 Wow I thought reaching 100 pages would be a milestone....I think just today alone there has been 30 or more pages of worthless speculation and opinions added. You guys really need to get a life. Its done, over, finished, kaput, owari desu.It is a long way from being over, it has only just started.Although I will agree there is a lot of speculation, nonsense, and opinions bring regurgitated.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iReason Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 @2fishin2 "I think just today alone there has been 30 or more pages of worthless speculation and opinions added. You guys really need to get a life. Its done, over, finished, kaput, owari desu." Yet, here you are. Are you Team C? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverado Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 my opinion mostly about the Millers reaction : christy jones mother has been much less naive than the millers what has had the effect at least to maximise the chances to review the case, and the undertaking of uk forensics (world standards) in the aim to solve the case... exactly the opposite attitude ffrom the millers ! one might as well say they push the b2 to the dead (lethal injection or the death after a few years in jail).They should (should have) push uk authorities instead of doing nothing / congratulate the verdict ...but the death of 2 innocents is maybe worth their "peace" , "relief" , and their good conciousness / believes they ve done all what they should have done ????The influence the miller familly brought to the public and not put pressure on uk authorities without compass , without pity for the b2 is TERRIBLY disgusting and shocking !Lets put it on an extreme naivety which also is an insult and offense for their 2 deceased : not to be more curious and interrested in this case is simply DISGUSTING and shocking as well !!!!!! the rtp and thai judges need tigers as opponents !!! not naive sheeps (defence lawiers and miller familly) . this also is (indirectly) why we reached this verdict.the thai clique (corrupt rtp/judges/politics/ and the psychotic butchers real murderers still running at large) are taking advantages from so stupid wrong statments from the Millers.... long life thailand justice systems ! thank you very much mister Prayuth , Somyot and all the bunch of clowns of this country ! and go to hell the poor b2.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidstipek Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 (edited) So sorry the accounts fail to meet your exacting international standards, its a real shame the DNA testing and evidence presentation also in the opinion of many that were at the trial failed the same test miserably. If those DNA tests failed so miserably, then why refused the defense to request to have them redone? BECAUSE there was and there still is no way to know if the DNA is reliable, the chain of custody is what makes a test reliable, and I don't know if you ve heard, but the documents regarding the chain of custody are incomplete and have been modified by hand. Why test a DNA that is possibly not even the DNA found on the victim (if there actually was any DNA found..)? Plus the original samples are "used up" and all that is left is something whose origin (blood, hair, semen) can't be determined, so it could very well come from of the B2's hair taken after they were arrested for example. In most courts, this evidence would have been dismissed because of the lack of proper documentation. As the DNA is the only element taken into account to declare the B2 guilty and send them to their death, the defense will completely focus on that for the appeal and hopefully highlight how unreliable these results are. Plus as was said, the DNA proves intercourse anyway, they failed to prove the murder without reasonable doubt. Do you really believe these two short boys could kill two persons like that David being far stronger than them ? And the element of surprise isn't even there as the victims DNA were on the hoe (not their blood, it actually was said they handled the hoe, and the B2's DNA wasn't on the hoe, but there was a third DNA, why the hell isn't the third DNA investigated?). The appeal will be interesting, I really dont think the story will go away quietly, it has generated too much interest and too many questions are unanswered. Apparently now having sex with someone will get you the death penalty if she dies, found dead and your DNA (sperm) is found in her body... Who is to say that the following is not a correct version of what really happen the night David and Hannah were found dead on the beach, Remember this scenario has about the same credibility as the Police version...; here goes.... Hannah was approached earlier that evening by a Male in the Bar. He was flat turned down, "Now I do not want sex with you!" In front of his friends this was a major play in the loss of "Face", as he was Thai! David and Hannah continue to Party she forgets about the proposal. They later exit to the Beach, Both having consumed their (close to..) limit in drinks. Both went for a swim... Hannah now is feeling sexy she consents to sex with two young men who they met while swimming. Meanwhile her movement on the beach are being monitored and the earlier Gentleman who was caused a great loss in face (embarrassment) watches as she has sex with two young Burmese Lads.... this further enrages him as his friends are joking! After the trio go their separate ways, he decides to teach Hannah a lesson and firm up his friends by what he is about to do. Also leave a message on the Beach. He traps Hannah who now laughs him off... He proceeds to strike he with a hoe he had carried down to the beach... she ends up Dead! So he places her in a position demeaning to her and to post a message as to not "" with him to anyone who stumbles onto Hannah's body. While he is doing this David hearing a commotion exits the water to investigate. He is apprehended by two or more of the Murderer's friends, One proceeds to strike David in the Face... with his fist! Something he was wearing is leaving stab wounds about a inch deep in David's face this item is serrated on both sides and comes to a triangular point. Finally as David collapses he is left in the water hoping the Tide will drag him out. Okay, we are told that the B2 were convicted on the fact of the DNA that was found mixed in her body... For this to mix she had to be an active participant in the act of Intercourse, after she was dead the body function would no longer respond. So Intercourse is a crime, They did not convict the B2 for the use of the Hoe, Why? because their DNA was not on it, in fact a year latter it was pulled from Police lockup and tested by Thailand's Senior Pathologist Scientist, What she found was not a single trace of the DNA of the B2, what she found was DNA from 2 totally different males. This is why the Police just said... "We never tested Hoe". Is there anyone who can say they did? but results were not playing along with them, the boys were already off the Island so no way to get their DNA affixed to the Hoe... lets just try to forget it, they forgot it was in a protected environment and would retain any information attached to it! Again the murder weapons, were demonstrated to be the Hoe and the object that had pierced David's face, David dying from blunt force trauma, as little blood exited the blow to the top of his head. The multiple piercing wounds to the Facial area could have severed nerves and nicked arteries the major bruising would have drawn blood in large quantities to this area. The B2's DNA was not found anywhere on the Hoe.... Also they did not have in their possession anything to make they stab wounds in David's face. Was David Gay? was Sperm found (DNA) on/in him? So to now go back and look at what the Courts sentenced (convicted) the B2 of Murder on was the presence od DNA from the B2 found in Hannah's body. there is nothing to fix any of the other damage to her body or David's to them. Infact it was tried to be suppressed, and not brought up in Court. Maybe the Court had disallowed if from being introduced at all... Further more it has always taken 24 hrs plus to extract DNA, a lot harder when it is mixed! 3 people plus Hannah's. One of the reasons is because all human DNA is 99.9% the same. It is that .1% that gives us the ladders that form each individual, this is EXTEMELY difficult to extract! Yet the Thai Police Forensic Lab was able to do this in Record time??? By passing all the set procedure's and getting required Confirmations... they were able to do this complete procedure in Record Time! 12 Hours!!! Yet we were earlier informed that their Lab had issues, and the still came up with a 100% perfect match!!! This is Impossible! Finding a probable match is just that! PROBABLE!!! It is impossible to get a Perfect Match! This is a confirmed result by the most extense Hospitals and Labs in the World! Yet they were convicted... Because they had sex... If Hannah had went swimming and Pee'd would they still be sentenced to Death, Salt water would have cleaned her to hospital standards... Would they have still found that 3rd DNA mixed with Hanna's?? Yet they were convicted Edited December 31, 2015 by davidstipek Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IslandLover Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 Mon was photographed inside the crime scene a few hours after the bodies were discovered also on a Thai TV News reprt footage aswell as I remember. So why the hell was he not a witness for the defence? A member of the public inside a crime scene? Why? He has to tell why he was inside that police line! Mon gave evidence for the prosecution during the trial but it's never been reported anywhere what he said in court (as far as I know). The other prosecution witness on that day was the beach cleaner/gardener who moved the hoe. His testimony was widely reported, so why not Mon's? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bunglebag Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 Nomsod's height is 160 cm. Wai is under 150 CM What about the length of the hair? I don't think it's over 10cm high Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCruncher Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 So sorry the accounts fail to meet your exacting international standards, its a real shame the DNA testing and evidence presentation also in the opinion of many that were at the trial failed the same test miserably. If those DNA tests failed so miserably, then why refused the defense to request to have them redone? BECAUSE there was and there still is no way to know if the DNA is reliable, the chain of custody is what makes a test reliable, and I don't know if you ve heard, but the documents regarding the chain of custody are incomplete and have been modified by hand. Why test a DNA that is possibly not even the DNA found on the victim (if there actually was any DNA found..)? Plus the original samples are "used up" and all that is left is something whose origin (blood, hair, semen) can't be determined, so it could very well come from of the B2's hair taken after they were arrested for example. In most courts, this evidence would have been dismissed because of the lack of proper documentation. As the DNA is the only element taken into account to declare the B2 guilty and send them to their death, the defense will completely focus on that for the appeal and hopefully highlight how unreliable these results are. Plus as was said, the DNA proves intercourse anyway, they failed to prove the murder without reasonable doubt. Do you really believe these two short boys could kill two persons like that David being far stronger than them ? And the element of surprise isn't even there as the victims DNA were on the hoe (not their blood, it actually was said they handled the hoe, and the B2's DNA wasn't on the hoe, but there was a third DNA, why the hell isn't the third DNA investigated?). The appeal will be interesting, I really dont think the story will go away quietly, it has generated too much interest and too many questions are unanswered. Apparently now having sex with someone will get you the death penalty if she dies, found dead and your DNA (sperm) is found in her body... Who is to say that the following is not a correct version of what really happen the night David and Hannah were found dead on the beach, Remember this scenario has about the same credibility as the Police version...; here goes.... Hannah was approached earlier that evening by a Male in the Bar. He was flat turned down, "Now I do not want sex with you!" In front of his friends this was a major play in the loss of "Face", as he was Thai! David and Hannah continue to Party she forgets about the proposal. They later exit to the Beach, Both having consumed their (close to..) limit in drinks. Both went for a swim... Hannah now is feeling sexy she consents to sex with two young men who they met while swimming. Meanwhile her movement on the beach are being monitored and the earlier Gentleman who was caused a great loss in face (embarrassment) watches as she has sex with two young Burmese Lads.... this further enrages him as his friends are joking! After the trio go their separate ways, he decides to teach Hannah a lesson and firm up his friends by what he is about to do. Also leave a message on the Beach. He traps Hannah who now laughs him off... He proceeds to strike he with a hoe he had carried down to the beach... she ends up Dead! So he places her in a position demeaning to her and to post a message as to not "" with him to anyone who stumbles onto Hannah's body. While he is doing this David hearing a commotion exits the water to investigate. He is apprehended by two or more of the Murderer's friends, One proceeds to strike David in the Face... with his fist! Something he was wearing is leaving stab wounds about a inch deep in David's face this item is serrated on both sides and comes to a triangular point. Finally as David collapses he is left in the water hoping the Tide will drag him out. Okay, we are told that the B2 were convicted on the fact of the DNA that was found mixed in her body... For this to mix she had to be an active participant in the act of Intercourse, after she was dead the body function would no longer respond. So Intercourse is a crime, They did not convict the B2 for the use of the Hoe, Why? because their DNA was not on it, in fact a year latter it was pulled from Police lockup and tested by Thailand's Senior Pathologist Scientist, What she found was not a single trace of the DNA of the B2, what she found was DNA from 2 totally different males. This is why the Police just said... "We never tested Hoe". Is there anyone who can say they did? but results were not playing along with them, the boys were already off the Island so no way to get their DNA affixed to the Hoe... lets just try to forget it, they forgot it was in a protected environment and would retain any information attached to it! Again the murder weapons, were demonstrated to be the Hoe and the object that had pierced David's face, David dying from blunt force trauma, as little blood exited the blow to the top of his head. The multiple piercing wounds to the Facial area could have severed nerves and nicked arteries the major bruising would have drawn blood in large quantities to this area. The B2's DNA was not found anywhere on the Hoe.... Also they did not have in their possession anything to make they stab wounds in David's face. Was David Gay? was Sperm found (DNA) on/in him? So to now go back and look at what the Courts sentenced (convicted) the B2 of Murder on was the presence od DNA from the B2 found in Hannah's body. there is nothing to fix any of the other damage to her body or David's to them. Infact it was tried to be suppressed, and not brought up in Court. Maybe the Court had disallowed if from being introduced at all... Further more it has always taken 24 hrs plus to extract DNA, a lot harder when it is mixed! 3 people plus Hannah's. One of the reasons is because all human DNA is 99.9% the same. It is that .1% that gives us the ladders that form each individual, this is EXTEMELY difficult to extract! Yet the Thai Police Forensic Lab was able to do this in Record time??? By passing all the set procedure's and getting required Confirmations... they were able to do this complete procedure in Record Time! 12 Hours!!! Yet we were earlier informed that their Lab had issues, and the still came up with a 100% perfect match!!! This is Impossible! Finding a probable match is just that! PROBABLE!!! It is impossible to get a Perfect Match! This is a confirmed result by the most extense Hospitals and Labs in the World! Yet they were convicted... Because they had sex... If Hannah had went swimming and Pee'd would they still be sentenced to Death, Salt water would have cleaned her to hospital standards... Would they have still found that 3rd DNA mixed with Hanna's?? Yet they were convicted You should apply for a job as movie or novel writer, especially the fictitious genre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bunglebag Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 (edited) Mon was photographed inside the crime scene a few hours after the bodies were discovered also on a Thai TV News reprt footage aswell as I remember. So why the hell was he not a witness for the defence? A member of the public inside a crime scene? Why? He has to tell why he was inside that police line! bcase it was 50 m from hes back yard,he is the land owner and he was the one who quided the police there.What u suggest he shud of grow pair of wings and fly away from the crime scene,so off course he was in picture. After police was escorted by him , police did close the area .how do i know this.bcase i was there. 75 % of stories written in paper about this case was un true and only written&published to sell papers. Were you there when he located the bodies. He was second on scene wasn't he, after the beach cleaner? Did you see the bodies? Do you happen to be involved in a business on Sairee? Why is he seen stepping back over the tape cordoning off the scene later? (which was not put up for a while as there are other pictures without it present). Did he come back in to stack the clothes neatly? (seen still scattered as he is stepping over the cordon, yet police said in court they were neatly piled as per later photograph)). Did you see the clothes scattered or piled neatly on a rock? Edited December 31, 2015 by bunglebag Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCruncher Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 Mmmmmmmmmmmmmm! https://www.facebook.com/CSILA90210/posts/722722867805441 That post is BS, it claims that the victims were murdered at the place they were staying, they were sharing rooms with friends. Unfortunately it's the kind of BS that is consumed with gusto by those that don't want to accept reality for what it is instead of what they wish it would be. Besides that, a man claiming to be Burmese, using a Thai celebrity photo taken from Panthip as his image creates an account to make one post... Say, anyone wants to buy a bridge? Why still here so much? You got the result you wanted already Same question to lucky11, discodan, theCruncher Exactly my thoughts Bungle. I cannot for the life of me understand why Ale G , Lucy and Dan cannot accept the verdict of the court. We are here to support you guys, because you clearly don't see the light at the end of the tunnel, and are not aware it is a train coming your way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bunglebag Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 number 9 is at .30 1. Swing your arms 'lavishly' 2. Hold up your left hand like a rabbit 3. Let the right hand fly behind your back.... Interesting to see that the ground is not wet at all at 1.30am, yet it was supposed to be raining at 1am during the B2 dip. What gives? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bunglebag Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 That post is BS, it claims that the victims were murdered at the place they were staying, they were sharing rooms with friends. Unfortunately it's the kind of BS that is consumed with gusto by those that don't want to accept reality for what it is instead of what they wish it would be. Besides that, a man claiming to be Burmese, using a Thai celebrity photo taken from Panthip as his image creates an account to make one post... Say, anyone wants to buy a bridge? Why still here so much? You got the result you wanted already Same question to lucky11, discodan, theCruncher Exactly my thoughts Bungle. I cannot for the life of me understand why Ale G , Lucy and Dan cannot accept the verdict of the court. We are here to support you guys, because you clearly don't see the light at the end of the tunnel, and are not aware it is a train coming your way. Now we know that is not true, so what's the real reason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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