Bethlehem: Christmas in the birthplace of Christianity

[slipperylobster]

Jesus was a Jew, born to Jewish parents in Israel. This was long before anyone ever heard of a Muslim. The Jews had occupied that space for thousands of years. That area contains a lot of historic Jewish and Christian sites.

Now the terrorists cause a hindrance to people who would like to travel there for their own personal and religious reasons.

Tolerant and inclusive aren't traits of "The Religion of Peace", even though they have the mosque nearby and are given exclusive use of it. There's never enough for those people. They want the world and are determined to get it.

Cheers.

Jesus was a Judean, not a Jew...

House of David...King of the Jews. There was only one religion(in Israel) at that time (other than the Roman's dieties).

Frankly, being Judaen in Israel (during the time of Christ) meant you were either Jewish or Pagan. Christ definitely followed the religion of the Old Testament....which was Jewish.

He observed "Passover" and attended Jewish Weddings (quite the bartender..water to wine, etc). That responsibility typically went to the groom...by the way.

Edited December 26, 2015 by slipperylobster

[shariq607]

Jesus was a Jew, born to Jewish parents in Israel. This was long before anyone ever heard of a Muslim. The Jews had occupied that space for thousands of years. That area contains a lot of historic Jewish and Christian sites.

Now the terrorists cause a hindrance to people who would like to travel there for their own personal and religious reasons.

Tolerant and inclusive aren't traits of "The Religion of Peace", even though they have the mosque nearby and are given exclusive use of it. There's never enough for those people. They want the world and are determined to get it.

Cheers.

Jesus was a Judean, not a Jew...

House of David...King of the Jews. There was only one religion(in Israel) at that time (other than the Roman's dieties).

Frankly, being Judaen in Israel (during the time of Christ) meant you were either Jewish or Pagan. Christ definitely followed the religion of the Old Testament....which was Jewish.

He observed "Passover" and attended Jewish Weddings (quite the bartender..water to wine, etc). That responsibility typically went to the groom...by the way.

Yet it was the same jews who killed him or tried to kill him.

[Steely Dan]

Jesus was a Jew, born to Jewish parents in Israel. This was long before anyone ever heard of a Muslim. The Jews had occupied that space for thousands of years. That area contains a lot of historic Jewish and Christian sites.

Now the terrorists cause a hindrance to people who would like to travel there for their own personal and religious reasons.

Tolerant and inclusive aren't traits of "The Religion of Peace", even though they have the mosque nearby and are given exclusive use of it. There's never enough for those people. They want the world and are determined to get it.

Cheers.

Jesus was a Judean, not a Jew...

House of David...King of the Jews. There was only one religion(in Israel) at that time (other than the Roman's dieties).

Frankly, being Judaen in Israel (during the time of Christ) meant you were either Jewish or Pagan. Christ definitely followed the religion of the Old Testament....which was Jewish.

He observed "Passover" and attended Jewish Weddings (quite the bartender..water to wine, etc). That responsibility typically went to the groom...by the way.

Yet it was the same jews who killed him or tried to kill him.

Ah, the old cry of Christ killers, how medieval.

[shariq607]

House of David...King of the Jews. There was only one religion(in Israel) at that time (other than the Roman's dieties).

Frankly, being Judaen in Israel (during the time of Christ) meant you were either Jewish or Pagan. Christ definitely followed the religion of the Old Testament....which was Jewish.

He observed "Passover" and attended Jewish Weddings (quite the bartender..water to wine, etc). That responsibility typically went to the groom...by the way.

Yet it was the same jews who killed him or tried to kill him.

Ah, the old cry of Christ killers, how medieval.

so israeli sympathisers are allowed to make medieval claims on Israel and use medieval books( Torah) to prove their claim to the land?

[Scott]

STOP with the nonsense or suspensions will be given out.

[shariq607]

Cant believe people actually use debka to prove their point, Debka once claimed saddam had nukes and iraqi intelligence might have smuggled some nukes to the US

[slipperylobster]

Jesus was a Jew, born to Jewish parents in Israel. This was long before anyone ever heard of a Muslim. The Jews had occupied that space for thousands of years. That area contains a lot of historic Jewish and Christian sites.

Now the terrorists cause a hindrance to people who would like to travel there for their own personal and religious reasons.

Tolerant and inclusive aren't traits of "The Religion of Peace", even though they have the mosque nearby and are given exclusive use of it. There's never enough for those people. They want the world and are determined to get it.

Cheers.

Jesus was a Judean, not a Jew...

House of David...King of the Jews. There was only one religion(in Israel) at that time (other than the Roman's dieties).

Frankly, being Judaen in Israel (during the time of Christ) meant you were either Jewish or Pagan. Christ definitely followed the religion of the Old Testament....which was Jewish.

He observed "Passover" and attended Jewish Weddings (quite the bartender..water to wine, etc). That responsibility typically went to the groom...by the way.

Yet it was the same jews who killed him or tried to kill him.

He was considered a bit of a rebel. Yes. But also as a rabbi. Conservative Roman Sympathizers hated that. It is usually the people you hold the closest, that will hurt you. Buddhist can kill Buddhist...Muslims kill muslims....and Jewish kill Jewish.

Funny that his contempt of Moneymakers/lenders, dual pricing, harsh punishments, restrictions on speech, and Roman Occupation (John the Hermit/Baptist..was a rebel) all led to his death. A true freedom seeker and nationalist.

What is your point?

Edited December 26, 2015 by slipperylobster

[shariq607]

Jesus was a Jew, born to Jewish parents in Israel. This was long before anyone ever heard of a Muslim. The Jews had occupied that space for thousands of years. That area contains a lot of historic Jewish and Christian sites.

Now the terrorists cause a hindrance to people who would like to travel there for their own personal and religious reasons.

Tolerant and inclusive aren't traits of "The Religion of Peace", even though they have the mosque nearby and are given exclusive use of it. There's never enough for those people. They want the world and are determined to get it.

Cheers.

Jesus was a Judean, not a Jew...

House of David...King of the Jews. There was only one religion(in Israel) at that time (other than the Roman's dieties).

Frankly, being Judaen in Israel (during the time of Christ) meant you were either Jewish or Pagan. Christ definitely followed the religion of the Old Testament....which was Jewish.

He observed "Passover" and attended Jewish Weddings (quite the bartender..water to wine, etc). That responsibility typically went to the groom...by the way.

Yet it was the same jews who killed him or tried to kill him.

He was considered a bit of a rebel. Yes. But also as a rabbi. Conservative Roman Sympathizers hated that. It is usually the people you hold the closest, that will hurt you. Buddhist can kill Buddhist...Muslims kill muslims....and Jewish kill Jewish.

What is your point?

i can go further but i will stop here as the moderator wants us to be on topic

Peace.

[slipperylobster]

anyways...i also said my peace (piece)

Back to the topic....which is about the birthplace of the King of Peace.

Edited December 26, 2015 by slipperylobster

[Steely Dan]

And on a Christmas theme, we have the burning of a Christmas tree in a Christian village. Again there is a wall of silence surrounding the issue to protect the serial troublemakers from the consequences of their own actions whilst trying to project the blame onto Israel, as per usual.

http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/2015/12/palestinians-burn-christmas-tree-but.html

[ggt]

How anyone can claim that they can trace their lineage back to this or that person in ancient times is beyond me. Even with modern methods and data storage you would be struggling to go back a few generations, we even struggle with the lineage of some of the monarchs. Of course the followers of Jesus and Mohamed made claims, often contradictory depending on which one you read. I believe even Saddam Hussein claimed to have been descended from the prophet.

Bethlehem Christmas again a load of nonsense, the Christians adopted a pagan festival nothing whatsoever to do with the birth of Christ if he ever existed.

Some people believe this is the true lineage of Jesus:

The Genealogy of Jesus

1The book of the genealogy of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham.

2Abraham begat Isaac; and Isaac begat Jacob; and Jacob begat Judah and his brothers;

3And Judah begat Perez and Zerah of Tamar; and Perez begat Hezron and Hezron begat Ram;

4And Ram begat Amminidab; and Amminidab begat Nahshon; and Nahshon begat Salmon;

5And Salmon begat Boaz of Rahab; and Boaz begat Obed of Ruth; and Obed begat Jesse;

6And Jesse begat David the king; and David the king begat Solomon of her that had been the wife of Uriah;

7And Solomon begat Rehoboam; and Rehoboam begat Abijah; and Abijah begat Asa;

8And Asa begat Jehoshaphat; and Jehoshaphat begat Joram; and Joram begat Uzziah;

9And Uzziah begat Joatham; and Joatham begat Ahaz; and Ahaz begat Hezekiah;

10And Hezekiah begat Manasseh; and Manasseh begat Amon; and Amon begat Josiah;

11And Josiah begat Jeconiah and his brothers, about the time they were carried away to Babylon:

12And after they were brought to Babylon, Jeconiah begat Shealtiel; and Shealtiel begat Zerubbabel;

13And Zerubbabel begat Abihud; and Abihud begat Eliakim; and Eliakim begat Azor;

14And Azor begat Zadok; and Zadok begat Achim; and Achim begat Eliud;

15And Eliud begat Eleazar; and Eleazar begat Matthan; and Matthan begat Jacob;

16And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.

17So all the generations from Abraham to David are fourteen generations; and from David until the carrying away into Babylon are fourteen generations; and from the carrying away into Babylon unto Christ are fourteen generations.

You...my deluded friend...may choose to believe as you wish...that is the beauty of Christianity...

[Credo]

Conventional wisdom has it that Joseph isn't his father. If we are to believe that story, his family tree on his dad's side is really, really short.

[pitrevie]

How anyone can claim that they can trace their lineage back to this or that person in ancient times is beyond me. Even with modern methods and data storage you would be struggling to go back a few generations, we even struggle with the lineage of some of the monarchs. Of course the followers of Jesus and Mohamed made claims, often contradictory depending on which one you read. I believe even Saddam Hussein claimed to have been descended from the prophet.

Bethlehem Christmas again a load of nonsense, the Christians adopted a pagan festival nothing whatsoever to do with the birth of Christ if he ever existed.

Some people believe this is the true lineage of Jesus:

The Genealogy of Jesus

1The book of the genealogy of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham.

2Abraham begat Isaac; and Isaac begat Jacob; and Jacob begat Judah and his brothers;

3And Judah begat Perez and Zerah of Tamar; and Perez begat Hezron and Hezron begat Ram;

4And Ram begat Amminidab; and Amminidab begat Nahshon; and Nahshon begat Salmon;

5And Salmon begat Boaz of Rahab; and Boaz begat Obed of Ruth; and Obed begat Jesse;

6And Jesse begat David the king; and David the king begat Solomon of her that had been the wife of Uriah;

7And Solomon begat Rehoboam; and Rehoboam begat Abijah; and Abijah begat Asa;

8And Asa begat Jehoshaphat; and Jehoshaphat begat Joram; and Joram begat Uzziah;

9And Uzziah begat Joatham; and Joatham begat Ahaz; and Ahaz begat Hezekiah;

10And Hezekiah begat Manasseh; and Manasseh begat Amon; and Amon begat Josiah;

11And Josiah begat Jeconiah and his brothers, about the time they were carried away to Babylon:

12And after they were brought to Babylon, Jeconiah begat Shealtiel; and Shealtiel begat Zerubbabel;

13And Zerubbabel begat Abihud; and Abihud begat Eliakim; and Eliakim begat Azor;

14And Azor begat Zadok; and Zadok begat Achim; and Achim begat Eliud;

15And Eliud begat Eleazar; and Eleazar begat Matthan; and Matthan begat Jacob;

16And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.

17So all the generations from Abraham to David are fourteen generations; and from David until the carrying away into Babylon are fourteen generations; and from the carrying away into Babylon unto Christ are fourteen generations.

You...my deluded friend...may choose to believe as you wish...that is the beauty of Christianity...

That nonsense sums up delusion rather well.

[shariq607]

How anyone can claim that they can trace their lineage back to this or that person in ancient times is beyond me. Even with modern methods and data storage you would be struggling to go back a few generations, we even struggle with the lineage of some of the monarchs. Of course the followers of Jesus and Mohamed made claims, often contradictory depending on which one you read. I believe even Saddam Hussein claimed to have been descended from the prophet.

Bethlehem Christmas again a load of nonsense, the Christians adopted a pagan festival nothing whatsoever to do with the birth of Christ if he ever existed.

Some people believe this is the true lineage of Jesus:

The Genealogy of Jesus

1The book of the genealogy of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham.

2Abraham begat Isaac; and Isaac begat Jacob; and Jacob begat Judah and his brothers;

3And Judah begat Perez and Zerah of Tamar; and Perez begat Hezron and Hezron begat Ram;

4And Ram begat Amminidab; and Amminidab begat Nahshon; and Nahshon begat Salmon;

5And Salmon begat Boaz of Rahab; and Boaz begat Obed of Ruth; and Obed begat Jesse;

6And Jesse begat David the king; and David the king begat Solomon of her that had been the wife of Uriah;

7And Solomon begat Rehoboam; and Rehoboam begat Abijah; and Abijah begat Asa;

8And Asa begat Jehoshaphat; and Jehoshaphat begat Joram; and Joram begat Uzziah;

9And Uzziah begat Joatham; and Joatham begat Ahaz; and Ahaz begat Hezekiah;

10And Hezekiah begat Manasseh; and Manasseh begat Amon; and Amon begat Josiah;

11And Josiah begat Jeconiah and his brothers, about the time they were carried away to Babylon:

12And after they were brought to Babylon, Jeconiah begat Shealtiel; and Shealtiel begat Zerubbabel;

13And Zerubbabel begat Abihud; and Abihud begat Eliakim; and Eliakim begat Azor;

14And Azor begat Zadok; and Zadok begat Achim; and Achim begat Eliud;

15And Eliud begat Eleazar; and Eleazar begat Matthan; and Matthan begat Jacob;

16And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.

17So all the generations from Abraham to David are fourteen generations; and from David until the carrying away into Babylon are fourteen generations; and from the carrying away into Babylon unto Christ are fourteen generations.

You...my deluded friend...may choose to believe as you wish...that is the beauty of Christianity...

The beauty of Christianity is that both gospel of matthew and gospel of luke contradict each other on the genealogy of Jesus but that's different topic.

We should stay on the topic.