It's personal: Obama says GOP hostility to him led to Trump

[Ulysses G.]

Righto UG, whatever you say.............don't forget to take your pills with a sip of that Kool-aid you keep banging on about.

Don't miss your dose of Thorazine.

[CWMcMurray]

I think it's not quite right.. As the Trump success is as much a condemnation of the Republican Party establishment

As Trump supporters seem to dislike the Republican Party leaders nearly as much as they dislike Obama

Edited March 12, 2016 by CWMcMurray

[pitrevie]

So far, you really haven't managed to refute any of my arguments that it isn't Obama's fault as you claimed.

Actually I have and Krauthammer was brilliant . Just because you are too silly and partisan to realize it, does not make it so. It is obvious that you buy your own ideological BS, no matter how ridiculous. Who is the sheep?

So since you think he is so brilliant do point to the passage where he explains Iran have broken the agreement. You must have read the agreement please do point out the section where Iran have broken it or are we just getting these vague sweeping statements again.

[pitrevie]

Please explain how Obama is at fault when:-

Talks started before he came to power.

How he fooled China, Russia and the EU into this deal.

How he manipulated all the different countries negotiators into accepting this deal.

You have offered no evidence at all and you seem to not like facts that are inconvenient to your position.

He is now relying on such unbiased sources as Krauthammer a Fox News contributor, who next that brilliant foreign affairs spokeswoman Sarh Palin?

[Ulysses G.]

So far, you really haven't managed to refute any of my arguments that it isn't Obama's fault as you claimed.

Actually I have and Krauthammer was brilliant . Just because you are too silly and partisan to realize it, does not make it so. It is obvious that you buy your own ideological BS, no matter how ridiculous. Who is the sheep?

So since you think he is so brilliant do point to the passage where he explains Iran have broken the agreement. You must have read the agreement please do point out the section where Iran have broken it or are we just getting these vague sweeping statements again.

The MISSLE TESTS!

[KarenBravo]

So far, you really haven't managed to refute any of my arguments that it isn't Obama's fault as you claimed.

Actually I have and Krauthammer was brilliant . Just because you are too silly and partisan to realize it, does not make it so. It is obvious that you buy your own ideological BS, no matter how ridiculous. Who is the sheep?

So since you think he is so brilliant do point to the passage where he explains Iran have broken the agreement. You must have read the agreement please do point out the section where Iran have broken it or are we just getting these vague sweeping statements again.

The MISSLE TESTS!

Wrong. It did not violate the agreement with the 5+1.

Jeez UG, you just make this too easy.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2016/03/10/iran-missile-tests-violate-no-deals/81578348/

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-iran-missiles-un-exclusive-idUSKBN0TY1T920151216

Edited March 12, 2016 by KarenBravo

[Chicog]

You're a prisoner of your own ideology.

Look who is talking. Charles Krauthammer is one of the most respected minds of our time and you are worrying about what station he was talking on, instead of what he had to say. Talk about sheep.

What on earth are you on about, he's a right wing loon who appears on Fox News spewing the Republican line time and time again.

And it's aimed at sheep.

[Chicog]

Maybe UG should take a page out of Nixon's book regarding the Vietnam war. Declare victory and get out.

That is what your idol Obama has done with his insane "deal" - against a rogue, nuclear soon-to-be armed state. The man is a fool and we will be the ones to pay.

Please explain how you will be "the ones to pay".

I'm very interested.

[pitrevie]

So far, you really haven't managed to refute any of my arguments that it isn't Obama's fault as you claimed.

Actually I have and Krauthammer was brilliant . Just because you are too silly and partisan to realize it, does not make it so. It is obvious that you buy your own ideological BS, no matter how ridiculous. Who is the sheep?

So since you think he is so brilliant do point to the passage where he explains Iran have broken the agreement. You must have read the agreement please do point out the section where Iran have broken it or are we just getting these vague sweeping statements again.

The MISSLE TESTS!

Yep I thought you would make an ass of yourself, Jeez even a simple Google search would have told you that. Do you even know what the agreement was about, do you have the first idea?

However this is Chris Wallace explaining to Cheney that they went from 0 to 5000 nuclear centrifuges during the Bush administration.

good for a laugh.

[KarenBravo]

You're wasting you time.

UG thinks Republicans can do no wrong and Obama can do no right.

Must be wonderful to live in such a black and white world where everything is so clear-cut.

[chuckd]

Obviously, UG knows something that the USA, UK, Russian, Chinese and EU governments don't know.

Yes and they can never point to any part of the agreement which has been broken.

There is no agreement. There is no treaty. There is only the dropping of sanctions and the payment of billions of dollars to the Iranian regime.

Iran has never signed it.

Obama, Kerry and the P-5 plus 1 have been completely flummoxed by the carpet dealers from Tehran

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OPINION PIECE

A bad deal off to a worse start

By Mortimer B. Zuckerman

January 21,2016

Mortimer Zuckerman is the chairman and editor-in-chief of U.S. News & World Report and the publisher of the New York Daily News.

President Barack Obama never submitted his Iranian nuclear deal for ratification by the Congress because he knew it would have no chance of passing. That does not make the United States unique: The Iranian parliament has never approved it either (that body passed a heavily amended version) and the Iranian president has never signed it. The Iranian cabinet has never even discussed it. And the other members of the P5+1 – Britain, China, Germany, France and Russia – have likewise given it short legal shrift. Indeed, President Obama "may end up being the only person in the world to sign his much-wanted deal, in effect making a treaty with himself," as the Gatestone Institute's Amir Taheri has said.

http://www.usnews.com/news/the-report/articles/2016-01-21/obamas-iran-nuclear-deal-is-a-bad-deal-off-to-a-worse-start

[KarenBravo]

Here, from Fox news itself.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/10/18/obama-puts-nuclear-deal-into-effect-but-iran-still-likely-months-away-from.html

[up2u2]

There is no agreement. There is no treaty. There is only the dropping of sanctions and the payment of billions of dollars to the Iranian regime.

Iran has never signed it.

Obama, Kerry and the P-5 plus 1 have been completely flummoxed by the carpet dealers from Tehran

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OPINION PIECE

A bad deal off to a worse start

By Mortimer B. Zuckerman

January 21,2016

Mortimer Zuckerman is the chairman and editor-in-chief of U.S. News & World Report and the publisher of the New York Daily News.

President Barack Obama never submitted his Iranian nuclear deal for ratification by the Congress because he knew it would have no chance of passing. That does not make the United States unique: The Iranian parliament has never approved it either (that body passed a heavily amended version) and the Iranian president has never signed it. The Iranian cabinet has never even discussed it. And the other members of the P5+1 – Britain, China, Germany, France and Russia – have likewise given it short legal shrift. Indeed, President Obama "may end up being the only person in the world to sign his much-wanted deal, in effect making a treaty with himself," as the Gatestone Institute's Amir Taheri has said.

http://www.usnews.com/news/the-report/articles/2016-01-21/obamas-iran-nuclear-deal-is-a-bad-deal-off-to-a-worse-start

So you disagree with Obama's opinion and proceed to do exactly what that opinion is based on as a defence. Same as Ulysess G. All you are doing is demonstrating that what President Obama is saying is correct.

"he (Obama) said, by telling the party for seven years that "everything I do is to be opposed, that cooperation or compromise somehow is a betrayal,............"

President Obama is absolutely spot on and it is very humorous to watch Right Wingers demonstrate how right President Obama is.

[pitrevie]

Obviously, UG knows something that the USA, UK, Russian, Chinese and EU governments don't know.

Yes and they can never point to any part of the agreement which has been broken.

There is no agreement. There is no treaty. There is only the dropping of sanctions and the payment of billions of dollars to the Iranian regime.

Iran has never signed it.

Obama, Kerry and the P-5 plus 1 have been completely flummoxed by the carpet dealers from Tehran

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OPINION PIECE

A bad deal off to a worse start

By Mortimer B. Zuckerman

January 21,2016

Mortimer Zuckerman is the chairman and editor-in-chief of U.S. News & World Report and the publisher of the New York Daily News.

President Barack Obama never submitted his Iranian nuclear deal for ratification by the Congress because he knew it would have no chance of passing. That does not make the United States unique: The Iranian parliament has never approved it either (that body passed a heavily amended version) and the Iranian president has never signed it. The Iranian cabinet has never even discussed it. And the other members of the P5+1 – Britain, China, Germany, France and Russia – have likewise given it short legal shrift. Indeed, President Obama "may end up being the only person in the world to sign his much-wanted deal, in effect making a treaty with himself," as the Gatestone Institute's Amir Taheri has said.

http://www.usnews.com/news/the-report/articles/2016-01-21/obamas-iran-nuclear-deal-is-a-bad-deal-off-to-a-worse-start

So in that case how could Iran have broken the agreement? So we have an agreement that has been reached by Iran and the P5 + 1 and yet the claim here is that Iran are in breach of the agreement it gets funnier by the minute.

[MZurf]

You're wasting you time.

UG thinks Republicans can do no wrong and Obama can do no right.

Must be wonderful to live in such a black and white world where everything is so clear-cut.

Actually, I think he and his fellow Obama haters have had eight misrable years with an uppety, liberal negro in the WH.

Imagine the mood after eight years with HRC.

Priceless!

[KarenBravo]

chuckd and UG. A rather inept tag-team.

[chuckd]

Please explain how Obama is at fault when:-

Talks started before he came to power.

How he fooled China, Russia and the EU into this deal.

How he manipulated all the different countries negotiators into accepting this deal.

You have offered no evidence at all and you seem to not like facts that are inconvenient to your position.

Obama didn't manipulate anybody but the US Senate.

The P5 + 1 were desperate to get the US to sign off so they could get the business locomotive started from Tehran to Europe carrying all those dollars for Air Bus, Peugeot, et al.

The only manipulation done on this deal was by the Iranian regime in their dealings with Kerry/Obama and then by the current administration when they manipulated the US Senate, the US Constitution and the American people.

The business and economic sanctions no longer exist.

Iran is subject to inspections by the IAEA only on conditions set down by Tehran.

Hamas and Hezbollah have probably already received an influx of new weapons and Iran marches steadfastly towards the acquisition of nuclear weapons.

And if you believe otherwise, you are sadly misinformed.

[pitrevie]

Please explain how Obama is at fault when:-

Talks started before he came to power.

How he fooled China, Russia and the EU into this deal.

How he manipulated all the different countries negotiators into accepting this deal.

You have offered no evidence at all and you seem to not like facts that are inconvenient to your position.

Obama didn't manipulate anybody but the US Senate.

The P5 + 1 were desperate to get the US to sign off so they could get the business locomotive started from Tehran to Europe carrying all those dollars for Air Bus, Peugeot, et al.

The only manipulation done on this deal was by the Iranian regime in their dealings with Kerry/Obama and then by the current administration when they manipulated the US Senate, the US Constitution and the American people.

The business and economic sanctions no longer exist.

Iran is subject to inspections by the IAEA only on conditions set down by Tehran.

Hamas and Hezbollah have probably already received an influx of new weapons and Iran marches steadfastly towards the acquisition of nuclear weapons.

And if you believe otherwise, you are sadly misinformed.

Pure speculation not a shred of evidence offered to support any of that. The UK, France Germany all hoodwinked or just acting out of commercial interests, evidence please. The fact is that Iran haven't violated any agreement and their ability to manufacture nuclear material for use in a nuclear device reduced.50,000 centrifuges under Bush this agreement limits them to 14000.

[KarenBravo]

.......and what about China and Russia? Were they fooled, too?

[chuckd]

chuckd and UG. A rather inept tag-team.

That's the best you have? No wonder nobody takes you seriously.

[boomerangutang]

I think it's not quite right.. As the Trump success is as much a condemnation of the Republican Party establishment

As Trump supporters seem to dislike the Republican Party leaders nearly as much as they dislike Obama

Some reasons the Republican establishment is so spooked by Trump's ascendancy:

A. he won't win

B. he's a loose cannon, often misrepresenting the Rep Party.

C. He's a flip-flopper (see B )

D. if he's the Rep candidate, he will inspire millions of Dems to get off their butts and vote. Congress will become more Democratic

E. Trump already said, "delay, delay, delay" regarding allowing Obama to submit the name for a S.Court nominee. Many Americans may be stupid, but they know that it's the President's duty to do so. He still had 11 months left from the time Scalia died. By skewing their Constitutional duties, Republicans are inadvertently compelling many Americans to vote against the Republican Party, who ordinarily wouldn't.

F. All the other reasons Trump isn't presidential; cussing, infantile name-calling, inciting violence, ignorance on issues, not knowing how legislation gets passed, quick-to-anger, etc. ad nauseum

Edited March 12, 2016 by boomerangutang

[chuckd]

Here, from Fox news itself.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/10/18/obama-puts-nuclear-deal-into-effect-but-iran-still-likely-months-away-from.html

And here, three months after your Fox News link, is a somewhat more recent touch of reality that exists.

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JANUARY 25, 2016

Iran Is Back in Business

BY ROBIN WRIGHT

Ostracized as a pariah for almost four decades, Iran is back in business in a mere ten days—and with both East and West. On Saturday, the Islamic Republic welcomed Chinese President Xi Jinping—and a delegation of three deputy premiers, six cabinet ministers, and a planeload of business executives—with much pomp and publicity. The two countries announced plans to resurrect the ancient Silk Road that once defined trade across Asia, this time with high-speed trains. They also agreed to increase trade to six hundred billion dollars over the next decade. Xi, on his first trip to the Middle East, said the deals marked a “new chapter” in relations. “China and Iran are two important developing countries that must continue regional and international coöperation,” he said. The leader of the largest atheist nation was even afforded a rare audience with Iran’s top theocrat, Supreme Leader Ayatollah Khamenei.

Read more here: http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/iran-is-back-in-business

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On 16 February 2016 the Guardian published this...

"During a visit to France just days after “Implementation Day” of the agreement – when the international community certified that Iran had complied with many of the terms of the deal, triggering a lifting of economic sanctions – a smiling Hassan Rouhani, the Iranian president, welcomed investments totaling more than €420m ($473m) from French carmaker Peugeot. Iran also reached an agreement to purchase 114 aircraft from France-based Airbus for its state-backed carrier, Iran Air.

In Italy, businesses quickly signed multibillion-dollar contracts with the Iranians. Italian oil and gas giant Saipem has already reached an agreement to revitalize Iran’s Pars Shiraz and Tabriz oil refineries, and according to CNN the Italian manufacturer Danieli said it signed agreements worth €5.7bn ($6.4m) “to supply heavy machinery and equipment to Iran”.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/feb/16/iran-deal-signatories-its-a-nuclear-agreement-not-a-business-opportunity

Edit in: @ pitrevie:

Will this suffice as proof enough for you as requested in your post #108?

Edited March 12, 2016 by chuckd

[KarenBravo]

chuckd and UG. A rather inept tag-team.

That's the best you have? No wonder nobody takes you seriously.

Oh dear, such a tired and hackneyed retort.

Do try to be original (like mine).

Did you look up on Google for pithy retorts to use on a forum? If you didn't, maybe you should.

Edited March 12, 2016 by KarenBravo

[KarenBravo]

Here, from Fox news itself.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/10/18/obama-puts-nuclear-deal-into-effect-but-iran-still-likely-months-away-from.html

And here, three months after your Fox News link, is a somewhat more recent touch of reality that exists.

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JANUARY 25, 2016

Iran Is Back in Business

BY ROBIN WRIGHT

Ostracized as a pariah for almost four decades, Iran is back in business in a mere ten days—and with both East and West. On Saturday, the Islamic Republic welcomed Chinese President Xi Jinping—and a delegation of three deputy premiers, six cabinet ministers, and a planeload of business executives—with much pomp and publicity. The two countries announced plans to resurrect the ancient Silk Road that once defined trade across Asia, this time with high-speed trains. They also agreed to increase trade to six hundred billion dollars over the next decade. Xi, on his first trip to the Middle East, said the deals marked a “new chapter” in relations. “China and Iran are two important developing countries that must continue regional and international coöperation,” he said. The leader of the largest atheist nation was even afforded a rare audience with Iran’s top theocrat, Supreme Leader Ayatollah Khamenei.

Read more here: http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/iran-is-back-in-business

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On 16 February 2016 the Guardian published this...

"During a visit to France just days after “Implementation Day” of the agreement – when the international community certified that Iran had complied with many of the terms of the deal, triggering a lifting of economic sanctions – a smiling Hassan Rouhani, the Iranian president, welcomed investments totaling more than €420m ($473m) from French carmaker Peugeot. Iran also reached an agreement to purchase 114 aircraft from France-based Airbus for its state-backed carrier, Iran Air.

In Italy, businesses quickly signed multibillion-dollar contracts with the Iranians. Italian oil and gas giant Saipem has already reached an agreement to revitalize Iran’s Pars Shiraz and Tabriz oil refineries, and according to CNN the Italian manufacturer Danieli said it signed agreements worth €5.7bn ($6.4m) “to supply heavy machinery and equipment to Iran”.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/feb/16/iran-deal-signatories-its-a-nuclear-agreement-not-a-business-opportunity

Edit in: @ pitrevie:

Will this suffice as proof enough for you as requested in your post #108?

Don't see the point of your post. Yes, China is leaping into Iran with the USA and Europe.

Do you think they would do that if they thought that they had been "hood-winked", or that they thought Iran had broken the agreement?

Anyway, how is all this the fault of Obama? I'd like to hear why you think so.

[pitrevie]

Here, from Fox news itself.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/10/18/obama-puts-nuclear-deal-into-effect-but-iran-still-likely-months-away-from.html

And here, three months after your Fox News link, is a somewhat more recent touch of reality that exists.

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JANUARY 25, 2016

Iran Is Back in Business

BY ROBIN WRIGHT

Ostracized as a pariah for almost four decades, Iran is back in business in a mere ten days—and with both East and West. On Saturday, the Islamic Republic welcomed Chinese President Xi Jinping—and a delegation of three deputy premiers, six cabinet ministers, and a planeload of business executives—with much pomp and publicity. The two countries announced plans to resurrect the ancient Silk Road that once defined trade across Asia, this time with high-speed trains. They also agreed to increase trade to six hundred billion dollars over the next decade. Xi, on his first trip to the Middle East, said the deals marked a “new chapter” in relations. “China and Iran are two important developing countries that must continue regional and international coöperation,” he said. The leader of the largest atheist nation was even afforded a rare audience with Iran’s top theocrat, Supreme Leader Ayatollah Khamenei.

Read more here: http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/iran-is-back-in-business

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On 16 February 2016 the Guardian published this...

"During a visit to France just days after “Implementation Day” of the agreement – when the international community certified that Iran had complied with many of the terms of the deal, triggering a lifting of economic sanctions – a smiling Hassan Rouhani, the Iranian president, welcomed investments totaling more than €420m ($473m) from French carmaker Peugeot. Iran also reached an agreement to purchase 114 aircraft from France-based Airbus for its state-backed carrier, Iran Air.

In Italy, businesses quickly signed multibillion-dollar contracts with the Iranians. Italian oil and gas giant Saipem has already reached an agreement to revitalize Iran’s Pars Shiraz and Tabriz oil refineries, and according to CNN the Italian manufacturer Danieli said it signed agreements worth €5.7bn ($6.4m) “to supply heavy machinery and equipment to Iran”.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/feb/16/iran-deal-signatories-its-a-nuclear-agreement-not-a-business-opportunity

Edit in: @ pitrevie:

Will this suffice as proof enough for you as requested in your post #108?

Nope in fact I would be surprised if any of those countries didn't want to trade with Iran. What I asked for was evidence that they agreed to this deal for that purpose and that you haven't supplied any just the usual speculation. To suggest that the European countries would accept a deal involving more trade in the sure knowledge that this would lead to a nuclear conflagration in the Middle East is just the sort on nonsensical reasoning that we experienced under Bush with his imaginary WMD. Note that most of the European governments never accepted that nonsense either. You also state that payments of billions of dollars to the Iranian regime, I am sure you don't wish to mislead people but nobody has made any payments to the Iranian regime, they were in fact given their own money it belonged to them. The fact is under Bush there was no deal and Iran continued steady progress to the making of a nuclear bomb sanctions or no sanctions. This agreement goes a long way towards restricting that but then I guess you would prefer there was no agreement and Iran could go on its way towards a nuclear device. 50,000 centrifuges under Bush restricted to 14000 under this agreement and lots more besides.

[chuckd]

Here, from Fox news itself.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/10/18/obama-puts-nuclear-deal-into-effect-but-iran-still-likely-months-away-from.html

And here, three months after your Fox News link, is a somewhat more recent touch of reality that exists.

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JANUARY 25, 2016

Iran Is Back in Business

BY ROBIN WRIGHT

Ostracized as a pariah for almost four decades, Iran is back in business in a mere ten days—and with both East and West. On Saturday, the Islamic Republic welcomed Chinese President Xi Jinping—and a delegation of three deputy premiers, six cabinet ministers, and a planeload of business executives—with much pomp and publicity. The two countries announced plans to resurrect the ancient Silk Road that once defined trade across Asia, this time with high-speed trains. They also agreed to increase trade to six hundred billion dollars over the next decade. Xi, on his first trip to the Middle East, said the deals marked a “new chapter” in relations. “China and Iran are two important developing countries that must continue regional and international coöperation,” he said. The leader of the largest atheist nation was even afforded a rare audience with Iran’s top theocrat, Supreme Leader Ayatollah Khamenei.

Read more here: http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/iran-is-back-in-business

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On 16 February 2016 the Guardian published this...

"During a visit to France just days after “Implementation Day” of the agreement – when the international community certified that Iran had complied with many of the terms of the deal, triggering a lifting of economic sanctions – a smiling Hassan Rouhani, the Iranian president, welcomed investments totaling more than €420m ($473m) from French carmaker Peugeot. Iran also reached an agreement to purchase 114 aircraft from France-based Airbus for its state-backed carrier, Iran Air.

In Italy, businesses quickly signed multibillion-dollar contracts with the Iranians. Italian oil and gas giant Saipem has already reached an agreement to revitalize Iran’s Pars Shiraz and Tabriz oil refineries, and according to CNN the Italian manufacturer Danieli said it signed agreements worth €5.7bn ($6.4m) “to supply heavy machinery and equipment to Iran”.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/feb/16/iran-deal-signatories-its-a-nuclear-agreement-not-a-business-opportunity

Edit in: @ pitrevie:

Will this suffice as proof enough for you as requested in your post #108?

Don't see the point of your post. Yes, China is leaping into Iran with the USA and Europe.

Do you think they would do that if they thought that they had been "hood-winked", or that they thought Iran had broken the agreement?

Anyway, how is all this the fault of Obama? I'd like to hear why you think so.

For some reason you can't wrap your brain around the reality.

All of the P5 + 1 wanted the sanctions removed so they cold get on the bandwagon of a happy Iran spending Billions of dollars on "stuff".

The sanctions were working and had been working. Iran was hurting financially.

Obama wanted the deal for his legacy. That's all he has cared about for two years. He needed some sort of international diplomatic accomplishment and saw this as his last and best chance.

The only way he could get any sort of agreement was by buying his way out with a release of funds from the sanctions.

He signed off on removal of the sanctions and walked away, patting himself on the back.

The Iranians went to their bank, patting themselves and their backs and the rest of the P5 sent their business development people to Tehran to scoop up some goodies.

It's as plain as day for anybody that bothers to look.

[KarenBravo]

Really? That's what you think?

Sanctions were NOT working when it came to the Iranian nuclear program. The deal was made precisely because sanctions weren't working. Think about it. Why make a deal if the sanctions were working? They would have had a nuclear device with sanctions in place.

Sorry, but, your idea of reality, you know, the one I can't wrap my brain around, seems to be your own private reality as it certainly isn't shared by all the participants in this deal.

People that are far more in the know than you. I think I'll believe their take on reality, if it's all the same with you.

Iran itself needed the deal as it desperately needed spare parts for it's oil-field equipment and it's civil aviation fleet.

And you say people don't take me seriously? Well, I think the post above has pretty much destroyed what little credibility you started with.

[pitrevie]

Here, from Fox news itself.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/10/18/obama-puts-nuclear-deal-into-effect-but-iran-still-likely-months-away-from.html

And here, three months after your Fox News link, is a somewhat more recent touch of reality that exists.

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JANUARY 25, 2016

Iran Is Back in Business

BY ROBIN WRIGHT

Ostracized as a pariah for almost four decades, Iran is back in business in a mere ten days—and with both East and West. On Saturday, the Islamic Republic welcomed Chinese President Xi Jinping—and a delegation of three deputy premiers, six cabinet ministers, and a planeload of business executives—with much pomp and publicity. The two countries announced plans to resurrect the ancient Silk Road that once defined trade across Asia, this time with high-speed trains. They also agreed to increase trade to six hundred billion dollars over the next decade. Xi, on his first trip to the Middle East, said the deals marked a “new chapter” in relations. “China and Iran are two important developing countries that must continue regional and international coöperation,” he said. The leader of the largest atheist nation was even afforded a rare audience with Iran’s top theocrat, Supreme Leader Ayatollah Khamenei.

Read more here: http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/iran-is-back-in-business

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On 16 February 2016 the Guardian published this...

"During a visit to France just days after “Implementation Day” of the agreement – when the international community certified that Iran had complied with many of the terms of the deal, triggering a lifting of economic sanctions – a smiling Hassan Rouhani, the Iranian president, welcomed investments totaling more than €420m ($473m) from French carmaker Peugeot. Iran also reached an agreement to purchase 114 aircraft from France-based Airbus for its state-backed carrier, Iran Air.

In Italy, businesses quickly signed multibillion-dollar contracts with the Iranians. Italian oil and gas giant Saipem has already reached an agreement to revitalize Iran’s Pars Shiraz and Tabriz oil refineries, and according to CNN the Italian manufacturer Danieli said it signed agreements worth €5.7bn ($6.4m) “to supply heavy machinery and equipment to Iran”.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/feb/16/iran-deal-signatories-its-a-nuclear-agreement-not-a-business-opportunity

Edit in: @ pitrevie:

Will this suffice as proof enough for you as requested in your post #108?

Don't see the point of your post. Yes, China is leaping into Iran with the USA and Europe.

Do you think they would do that if they thought that they had been "hood-winked", or that they thought Iran had broken the agreement?

Anyway, how is all this the fault of Obama? I'd like to hear why you think so.

For some reason you can't wrap your brain around the reality.

All of the P5 + 1 wanted the sanctions removed so they cold get on the bandwagon of a happy Iran spending Billions of dollars on "stuff".

The sanctions were working and had been working. Iran was hurting financially.

Obama wanted the deal for his legacy. That's all he has cared about for two years. He needed some sort of international diplomatic accomplishment and saw this as his last and best chance.

The only way he could get any sort of agreement was by buying his way out with a release of funds from the sanctions.

He signed off on removal of the sanctions and walked away, patting himself on the back.

The Iranians went to their bank, patting themselves and their backs and the rest of the P5 sent their business development people to Tehran to scoop up some goodies.

It's as plain as day for anybody that bothers to look.

Didn't we get the same assurances on WMD, Dick Cheney continues spouting the same drivel and even the Republican front runner acknowledges that we were lied to about WMD by Bush and Co.

However those naive Europeans who never swallowed that bilge, now for an extra bit of trade are prepared to see the Middle East in a nuclear conflagration how naive can you get.

[CWMcMurray]

I think it's not quite right.. As the Trump success is as much a condemnation of the Republican Party establishment

As Trump supporters seem to dislike the Republican Party leaders nearly as much as they dislike Obama

Some reasons the Republican establishment is so spooked by Trump's ascendancy:

A. he won't win

B. he's a loose cannon, often misrepresenting the Rep Party.

C. He's a flip-flopper (see B )

D. if he's the Rep candidate, he will inspire millions of Dems to get off their butts and vote. Congress will become more Democratic

E. Trump already said, "delay, delay, delay" regarding allowing Obama to submit the name for a S.Court nominee. Many Americans may be stupid, but they know that it's the President's duty to do so. He still had 11 months left from the time Scalia died. By skewing their Constitutional duties, Republicans are inadvertently compelling many Americans to vote against the Republican Party, who ordinarily wouldn't.

F. All the other reasons Trump isn't presidential; cussing, infantile name-calling, inciting violence, ignorance on issues, not knowing how legislation gets passed, quick-to-anger, etc. ad nauseum

A. Guess that the million dollar question... But if Republicans were really looking for the candidate with best chance to win, they wouldn't be pushing Rubio or Cruz either..

B. True he is a loose cannon but never heard him make claims about the Republican Party just here his personal opinions ... Seems he doesn't give a Damb about the Republican Party itself

C.all politicians are flip floppers.. Well except one that I can think of... Sanders is the most consistent politician I have ever seen

D. Perhaps but will those Dems getting off their butt vote for him ? All the blue collar Union folks I have heard seem to support his ideas about the trade agreements and trying to bring jobs back to US... Of course if Bernie gets the nod, then the will also here this on he Democratic side as well

E. As far as I know ... Every republican is saying this,, why would they not like Trump for this...

Although if he's smart Obama won't listen to them an will nominate some one ASAP.. As if Republicans try to block the nomination during the election ... It will surely hurt them with those in the middle who hate this sort of thing

F.True ... But seems that Rubio, Cruz and Romney have come down to meet him ... So not much difference

In any case , doesn't change the fact that his supporters aren't fans of Republican leadership

Edited March 12, 2016 by CWMcMurray

[losworld]

Voters elected then reelected Barack Obama while Donald Trump decided to show his lunacy and the Republicans led by the crackpot rightwhingenuts such as the tea party decided to go off the deep end.

All they've done is to elect another Democrat coming soon, November 8th.

The Las Vegas line on strictly the winning party, no names, as of this week:

Democratic party is at odds of 2-5 to win November 8th, which converts to the percentage probability of 71.4%.

Republican party is at odds of 7-4 which converts to the percentage probability of 36.3%

Las Vegas odds to be elected Potus November 8th:

HR Clinton is at 1-2 or 66.6%

Donald Trump is at 3-1 or 25%.

Republicans and the rightwhingenuts running the party have done this to themselves.

If American is so good under Obama how come you are in Thailand?