Trump opens up on his foreign policy positions

[lannarebirth]

^ I base my support on governance consistency, competence, economic growth, and creating future opportunities for the nation of the USA and for its allies and trading partners. Other things to me are much less important, especially that entire mess called the Middle East.

I don't share your and others' grand indictments of the neocon war machine, corporate greed machine, and other such extremes. And, I don't share your presumed trust that Trump is at base an honest man, and for sure know he is not a sincere or competent man at governing the USA.

You keep coming back to Clinton's "competency". As a private lawyer, as an unelected policy maker, as a Senator, as the Secretary of State there are countless pieces of evidence pointing to HRC's incompetency and her strong inclination towards graft and circumvention of government regulations. Yes, she's spent a long time amongst the powerful, but IMO that doesn't have a bearing on competency.

I think you have to buy into the notion that everything is great now and that we've been doing all the right things for decades now, domestically, economically, fiscally, socially and in our foreign affairs to even begin to think that HRC is a decent candidate. Because every bad thing you can lay at the Republlicans and Democrats feet since 1992, she's going to do more of.

I agree with you that she has done likely done those things you mention. You and I differ in how to characterize those actions. Circumvention of government regs, I consider to be abuse of process to achieve an end (like Nixon did but got caught - Nixon was also a very competent and effective President). The allegations of graft may be true, and we could add nepotism, favoritism (which she STRONGLY believes in), or other undesirable traits (a la House of Cards). Clinton is truly a Kevin Spacey, (or Ian Richardson if you like the original UK series) nasty conniving political character. You could also throw President Lyndon Johnson into that category if you want to reach back for precedent spanning both parties.

Clinton is nasty, conniving, plotting, opportunistic, ruthless, self-serving and lots more, but she is also competent in my opinion. She is competent by virtue of her education, native intelligence, cunning, and long apprenticeship in the halls of power, as well as having held two of the most powerful positions in the land. She connived her way there, but she got there.

To me she is a known quantity. She is rational and will do what is good for her, and secondly, what is good for the country, but understands BETTER what is good for the country than Trump.

Given the opportunity, I would pick Sanders over Clinton, but slim to none on chances. Next round, I would pick Romney over Clinton, unknown chances at this point, but not likely. Paul Ryan? dunno, but don't like him and unknown chances. But I would pick Clinton over Trump in any event. Very sad, but true.

Opportunists will usually not kill the golden goose. Crazy men can.

For many people, social issues are the important deciding point for a President. For me, it's economic and tax issues, and country growth, expansion and foreign relations. Domestic issues like healthcare and welfare of society are important for somewhat less in my view. I can live with either Republican or Democrat social policies, with reforms pushed forward, but cannot live with anarchy as Trump is aiming towards.

I'll grant you she is cunning, though mainly that's most apparent when she is trying to extricate herself from the outcomes of her poor judgement and over reaching.

[Pinot]

Well thank you Pinot for suggesting I'm a wingnut. Which wing left or right? 2 candidates could change the status quo, Sanders or Trump. You love to put people into your simplistic boxes

.'Fortunately, enough Americans have receive(d) at least a high school education and realize how absolutely insane that thinking is" Your attitude .is very condescending and it's obvious that you have no understanding or identification with the common or uneducated man, although you no doubt vote Democrat. Chardonnay socialist are you or make that Pinot ? I take it you consider yourself educated and that makes you superior to the electorate that supports Trump. They are mostly the unrepresented and nothing is going well for them and Trump in their eyes has the street cred that no career politician can give.

Conspiracy theory? Perhaps but still a possibility. The bankers and Google will be pouring in millions to Hillary's campaign because they want to be on the side of whoever owns the Whitehouse

Chardonnay socialist? Tch. Elitist? I do find it impossible to relate to the wingnut community...maybe a character flaw?

Bankers and Google, okay. Whatever.

America needs a guy with street cred? The guy is a corrupt Mussolini wannabe. He has no political skills or experience. President of the United States? Really? He's a world-wide embarrassment. A stain on America's heritage.

You sir, sound like a typical Trump supporter. Good luck in the upcoming Republican trainwreck that the November elections promise to be.

It is very condescending, isn't it?

Actually I would prefer Bernie but he may get swamped trying to please everyone. I would support Trump economically but I'm not happy about waterboarding, although I am sure that pales into insignificance compared to countries that do torture with impunity and no accountability.

"Bankers and Google, okay. Whatever." You dismiss so easily as if the millions of $$ can't alter outcomes and the buying of elections! Incredible.

What I am saying is that it's the political establishment, career politicians, bankers and Wall Street, bureaucratic officials, academia, the "educated" and the plutocrats that have hijacked the system for their own benefit and caused a yawning gulf and a division between the have and the have not's and a system that is not working for the thousands of people who support Trump. The failure of the Democratic party to be honest. That's why I said they identify with him because in their eyes he is a billionaire with street cred, and the desperate believers and 'silent majority' do not really care what he says.

But I see you, sir, as part of that problem, revealed in your posts, because you belong to a superior class of person who looks down their nose at the uneducated and the great unwashed and dismiss them as of no value and to be scorned. It is because of attitudes like yours and the establishment, is the reason for the huge disconnect and why Trump has come into being in the first place. Blame yourself. Congratulations.

Republican train wreck is a reality and you are right there, but I blame them for exactly the same reason.

You got me! I accept the blame for Trump. You've exposed my devious secret plan to rile up the low-info, unwashed masses and get them to vote for Trump, knowing he doesn't have a prayer of getting elected.

Okay time for SPECIAL SECRET PLAN PHASE II - Get the low-info, unwashed masses to now, not vote for Trump, sending the Republican convention into chaos! Ha ha! I won't be stopped!

The special Bat signal beams out to Soros, Black Lives Matter and Move On...START PHASE II

Must move quickly before Linzz exposes me...again.

Chardonnay Socialists Unite!

Edited March 24, 2016 by Pinot

[Linzz]

Well thank you Pinot for suggesting I'm a wingnut. Which wing left or right? 2 candidates could change the status quo, Sanders or Trump. You love to put people into your simplistic boxes

.'Fortunately, enough Americans have receive(d) at least a high school education and realize how absolutely insane that thinking is" Your attitude .is very condescending and it's obvious that you have no understanding or identification with the common or uneducated man, although you no doubt vote Democrat. Chardonnay socialist are you or make that Pinot ? I take it you consider yourself educated and that makes you superior to the electorate that supports Trump. They are mostly the unrepresented and nothing is going well for them and Trump in their eyes has the street cred that no career politician can give.

Conspiracy theory? Perhaps but still a possibility. The bankers and Google will be pouring in millions to Hillary's campaign because they want to be on the side of whoever owns the Whitehouse

Chardonnay socialist? Tch. Elitist? I do find it impossible to relate to the wingnut community...maybe a character flaw?

Bankers and Google, okay. Whatever.

America needs a guy with street cred? The guy is a corrupt Mussolini wannabe. He has no political skills or experience. President of the United States? Really? He's a world-wide embarrassment. A stain on America's heritage.

You sir, sound like a typical Trump supporter. Good luck in the upcoming Republican trainwreck that the November elections promise to be.

It is very condescending, isn't it?

Actually I would prefer Bernie but he may get swamped trying to please everyone. I would support Trump economically but I'm not happy about waterboarding, although I am sure that pales into insignificance compared to countries that do torture with impunity and no accountability.

"Bankers and Google, okay. Whatever." You dismiss so easily as if the millions of $$ can't alter outcomes and the buying of elections! Incredible.

What I am saying is that it's the political establishment, career politicians, bankers and Wall Street, bureaucratic officials, academia, the "educated" and the plutocrats that have hijacked the system for their own benefit and caused a yawning gulf and a division between the have and the have not's and a system that is not working for the thousands of people who support Trump. The failure of the Democratic party to be honest. That's why I said they identify with him because in their eyes he is a billionaire with street cred, and the desperate believers and 'silent majority' do not really care what he says.

But I see you, sir, as part of that problem, revealed in your posts, because you belong to a superior class of person who looks down their nose at the uneducated and the great unwashed and dismiss them as of no value and to be scorned. It is because of attitudes like yours and the establishment, is the reason for the huge disconnect and why Trump has come into being in the first place. Blame yourself. Congratulations.

Republican train wreck is a reality and you are right there, but I blame them for exactly the same reason.

You got me! I accept the blame for Trump. You've exposed my devious secret plan to rile up the low-info, unwashed masses and get them to vote for Trump, knowing he doesn't have a prayer of getting elected.

Okay time for SPECIAL SECRET PLAN PHASE II - Get the low-info, unwashed masses to now, not vote for Trump, sending the Republican convention into chaos! Ha ha! I won't be stopped!

The special Bat signal beams out to Soros, Black Lives Matter and Move On...START PHASE II

Must move quickly before Linzz exposes me...again.

Chardonnay Socialists Unite!

Oh no, there you go again, you still imagine your opinion is worth more than it really is, just my point. You're just part of the problem sorry to let you down, not the whole problem, you misunderstand. What a disappointment for you, and that you won't be starring on Fox News anytime soon

[mopar71]

It's been a long time since I agreed with anything Piers Morgan had to say.

For a refreshing change, he finally seems to be coming to his senses.

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PIERS MORGAN: When it comes to terror, isn’t it time we started listening seriously to Trump?

By PIERS MORGAN

PUBLISHED: 19:11 GMT, 22 March 2016 | UPDATED: 21:58 GMT, 22 March 2016

How many more?

That’s all I could think this morning as news broke of yet another ISIS terror attack, this time in Brussels.

How many more innocent men, women and children are going to be blown to pieces by these murderous bastards?

How many more airports, train stations, sports stadiums, restaurants or concert halls will be obliterated in a hail of suicide bombs and bullets?

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3504893/PIERS-MORGAN-comes-terror-isn-t-time-started-listening-seriously-Trump.html#ixzz43i31RwUE

Morgan writing in the Daily Mail about Donald Trump.

The perfect storm of witless talking heads.

In the article Morgan states four of Trump's positions and asks "Is he wrong?". Could you read that and comment on the substance and not who was asking and in what publication?

[Chicog]

In the article Morgan states four of Trump's positions and asks "Is he wrong?". Could you read that and comment on the substance and not who was asking and in what publication?

Yes he's wrong.

Point 1: Stating the bloody obvious, isn't it? The Security services do their best to identify security threats. But how are you supposed to tell a genuine asylum seeker from a terrorist? Do they have tattoos or stamps in their passports (assuming they've got one)?

Point 2: Parroting what many politicians have said, but you have no idea what intelligence the security services have received from inside Muslim communities that has prevented numerous attacks over the years.

Point 3: In the US at least, most "illegal immigrants" are legal immigrants who have overstayed their visa.

Point 4: Can he name one of these "poisonous breeding grounds"? Of course he can't. He even repeated the nonsense about London and Paris having Muslim "no-go areas" where Police and non-Muslims are afraid to go.

For Heaven's sake, the Daily Mail is Britain's primary mouthpiece for the angry, racist, whinging, conservative pensioners brigade. The fact they gave column inches to the chinless publicity seeking twit that is Morgan doubles the stupidity.

And then to find out he's talking about Trump.

The only way you could make a more laughable Dog & Pony Show is to ask Katie Hopkins to weigh in.

Looks to me like Chinless is trying to position himself for a run at a Tory seat in the next election.

[Linzz]

"Point 4: Can he name one of these "poisonous breeding grounds"? Of course he can't. He even repeated the nonsense about London and Paris having Muslim "no-go areas" where Police and non-Muslims are afraid to go."

I have friends and neighbors who are cultural Muslims and not Arab fanatics so I am not strictly anti Muslim but you have to research yourself for impartial veracity. I am happy for you to disagree

Brussels

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/paris-terror-attacks-visiting-molenbeek-the-police-no-go-zone-that-was-home-to-two-of-the-gunmen-a6735551.html

France

http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/5128/france-no-go-zones

Denmark

https://violenceagainstwhites.wordpress.com/2013/09/09/danish-firemen-complaining-about-muslim-immigrants-attacking-them/

Britain

http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/2278/britain-islamic-emirates-project

Sweden

The Swedish Police would not accompany the 60 Minutes crew because it would up the anti. Accordingly they came under attack. It kind of defines a no go area regardless of the reasons for the phenomenon.

Edited March 24, 2016 by Linzz

[Ace of Pop]

Let's hope Mr Trump doesn't hurt nasty folk or protect family values of normal Americans

[Chicog]

"Point 4: Can he name one of these "poisonous breeding grounds"? Of course he can't. He even repeated the nonsense about London and Paris having Muslim "no-go areas" where Police and non-Muslims are afraid to go."

I have friends and neighbors who are cultural Muslims and not Arab fanatics so I am not strictly anti Muslim but you have to research yourself for impartial veracity. I am happy for you to disagree

Brussels

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/paris-terror-attacks-visiting-molenbeek-the-police-no-go-zone-that-was-home-to-two-of-the-gunmen-a6735551.html

France

http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/5128/france-no-go-zones

Denmark

https://violenceagainstwhites.wordpress.com/2013/09/09/danish-firemen-complaining-about-muslim-immigrants-attacking-them/

Britain

http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/2278/britain-islamic-emirates-project

Sweden

The Swedish Police would not accompany the 60 Minutes crew because it would up the anti. Accordingly they came under attack. It kind of defines a no go area regardless of the reasons for the phenomenon.

Everyone of those is anecdotal and certainly the British one is just some spouting from a nutjob website, and according to my records they do not run any British city.

I know council estates I would be more worried about entering at night than I do Muslim areas.

Mostly because they are full of yobs who are pissed out of their tree at pub closing time.

And as for the video I know plenty of people of all races and faiths who would go after a news crew trying to do a bit of sensational reporting.

Edited March 24, 2016 by Chicog

[Linzz]

I tried to avoid the obvious extreme right wing websites like Britain First just itching for confrontation, but the 60 minutes crews problems for whatever reason proved a no go area for the Swedish Police. But it's a worry if police cannot enter any area for any reason Muslim or not

[Chicog]

I tried to avoid the obvious extreme right wing websites like Britain First just itching for confrontation, but the 60 minutes crews problems for whatever reason proved a no go area for the Swedish Police. But it's a worry if police cannot enter any area for any reason Muslim or not

I watched a Sky News crew nearly getting it in Phuket from British people who were upset about their vulture-like reporting after the tsunami.

A lot of people don't like entertainment or propaganda masquerading as news.