Prayut names Thaksin as plotter behind protests

[mrrizzla]

The sharp and sustained fall in oil prices is making someone very desperate to be back to the feeding trough...

So are you privy to inside information regarding Thaksin's financial dispositions or are you as usual full of......?

Maybe he is.

Would it be better to ask for clarification through links before defaulting to your usual tactics?

PS - Please don't start bullying me as well.

Have a great day my friend.

"Would it be better to ask for clarification through links before defaulting to your usual tactics?"

I've asked you for clarification through links many times and it didn't do any good.

We've had a few comedy MSpaint looking graphs provided after some badgering though

[Arkady]

He also warned that there might not be a referendum

If Prayut is convinced the draft charter won't pass the referendum, this option provides the quickest solution to still schedule elections.

Follow the same junta procedure used with the 1997 draft charter. Have the NCPO-appointed NLA pass the draft and within 30 days have it royally endorsed. Might even have enough time to have elections held in August 2016 with a new government sworn in time for the next fiscal year beginning October 1, 2016!

There was no junta in power when the 1997 constitution was approved.

[thaihome]

'...Snowball..?"

George Orwell

Animal Farm

Since all agree that Snowball represented Trotsky in Orwell's brilliant satire of the Russian revolution and you seem to see some parallel with Taksin in Thailand politics, perhaps a word on Trotsky is in order:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leon_TrotskyVladimir Cherniaev, a leading Russian historian, sums up Trotsky's main contributions to the Russian Revolution:

Trotsky bears a great deal of responsibility both for the victory of the Red Army in the civil war, and for the establishment of a one-party authoritarian state with its apparatus for ruthlessly suppressing dissent.... He was an ideologist and practitioner of the Red Terror. He despised 'bourgeois democracy'; he believed that spinelessness and soft-heartedness would destroy the revolution, and that the suppression of the propertied classes and political opponents would clear the historical arena for socialism. He was the initiator of concentration camps, compulsory 'labour camps,' and the militarization of labour, and the state takeover of trade unions. Trotsky was implicated in many practices which would become standard in the Stalin era, including summary executions."

Sounds about right...

TH

[jayboy]

'...Snowball..?"

George Orwell

Animal Farm

Since all agree that Snowball represented Trotsky in Orwell's brilliant satire of the Russian revolution and you seem to see some parallel with Taksin in Thailand politics, perhaps a word on Trotsky is in order:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leon_TrotskyVladimir Cherniaev, a leading Russian historian, sums up Trotsky's main contributions to the Russian Revolution:

Trotsky bears a great deal of responsibility both for the victory of the Red Army in the civil war, and for the establishment of a one-party authoritarian state with its apparatus for ruthlessly suppressing dissent.... He was an ideologist and practitioner of the Red Terror. He despised 'bourgeois democracy'; he believed that spinelessness and soft-heartedness would destroy the revolution, and that the suppression of the propertied classes and political opponents would clear the historical arena for socialism. He was the initiator of concentration camps, compulsory 'labour camps,' and the militarization of labour, and the state takeover of trade unions. Trotsky was implicated in many practices which would become standard in the Stalin era, including summary executions."

Sounds about right...

TH

I'm not sure I understand the point you are trying to make.Obviously Orwell had Trotsky in mind in drawing the character of Snowball.Did you think I was attempting to liken Thaksin to Trotsky? I would have thought it was clear the reference was to a cultivated paranoia about an exiled enemy of the state.But you seem to be drawing a much more literal parallel between Thaksin and Trotsky ( admittedly a richly comic coupling) which frankly doesn't make any sense when wrenched out of its mid twentieth century context.

With all due respect you don't seem to have thought your comment through.

[BlindMagician]

Well, my heavyweight political comment, or rather question, is...doesn't Thaksin look like sponge Bob square pants?

[JAG]

'...Snowball..?"

George Orwell

Animal Farm

Since all agree that Snowball represented Trotsky in Orwell's brilliant satire of the Russian revolution and you seem to see some parallel with Taksin in Thailand politics, perhaps a word on Trotsky is in order:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leon_TrotskyVladimir Cherniaev, a leading Russian historian, sums up Trotsky's main contributions to the Russian Revolution:

Trotsky bears a great deal of responsibility both for the victory of the Red Army in the civil war, and for the establishment of a one-party authoritarian state with its apparatus for ruthlessly suppressing dissent.... He was an ideologist and practitioner of the Red Terror. He despised 'bourgeois democracy'; he believed that spinelessness and soft-heartedness would destroy the revolution, and that the suppression of the propertied classes and political opponents would clear the historical arena for socialism. He was the initiator of concentration camps, compulsory 'labour camps,' and the militarization of labour, and the state takeover of trade unions. Trotsky was implicated in many practices which would become standard in the Stalin era, including summary executions."

Sounds about right...

TH

I'm not sure I understand the point you are trying to make.Obviously Orwell had Trotsky in mind in drawing the character of Snowball.Did you think I was attempting to liken Thaksin to Trotsky? I would have thought it was clear the reference was to a cultivated paranoia about an exiled enemy of the state.But you seem to be drawing a much more literal parallel between Thaksin and Trotsky ( admittedly a richly comic coupling) which frankly doesn't make any sense when wrenched out of its mid twentieth century context.

With all due respect you don't seem to have thought your comment through.

I think the expression is "so sharp that he cut himself".

Still lets cut some slack - it must be a hell of a task trying to put a positive spin on the antics, tantrums and utterances...

Edited April 23, 2016 by JAG

[yellowboat]

I am not a Thaksin fan but many Thais genuinely love him but I can't seem to find one who loves Prayut and when he's gone he'll be remembered as a brute in many ways

Well he only serves a small group of elitists who would like to stay anonymous. He cares little for the average Thai person. He is the perfect fall guy.

[tbthailand]

so the self-appointed clown has just insured several days of reporting on Thaksin.

Excellent strategic blunder.

Kudos to the General.

[mrrizzla]

so the self-appointed clown has just insured several days of reporting on Thaksin.

Excellent strategic blunder.

Kudos to the General.

From erasing him from Thai history books to swearing about him.

Such an absolute buffoon.

[2fishin2]

so the self-appointed clown has just insured several days of reporting on Thaksin.

Excellent strategic blunder.

Kudos to the General.

From erasing him from Thai history books to swearing about him.

Such an absolute buffoon.

Im sure the general thinks his article 44 gives him the ability to change history.

Gotta agree, this guy is a total fool.

[Johnniey]

Well, my heavyweight political comment, or rather question, is...doesn't Thaksin look like sponge Bob square pants?

Thais call him "na liam' or Square Head.

[BlindMagician]

Yeah I know. I think sbsp is better. Just my preference.

[Mudcrab]

Whether Thaksin is behind the protests or not, under Thai Law (and numerous examples of previous cases), it would seem that Prayuth can now be sued by Thaksin for defamation of character.

Update - I just read the full exchange between Prayuth and the reporter. IMHO, one of these guys is losing his marbles......

I thought the law...The Constitution was suspended or ignored at this point in time.

[Mudcrab]

Prayut as some obsessive compulsive disorder.

He could fit well with some posters here.

So there are two things we can say :

the Junta is still not able to restore unity (who had any doubt...) as more and more people stand up against their dictat laws

They will raise the favorable opinion to the Shinawatra family by showing the NCPO is worse, far worse than Thaksin

I don't think he has OCD, though I understand why you might say that. What I do think, is that he is definitely a Narcissist, and probably features the other 2 components of the dark triad as well If he were a patient of mine, I would be recommending medication because I think he's not a very well budgie.

In my opinion, narcissism and psychopathy are extremely common in TL, more so than I recall noticing in any other country, though I haven't lived in them all of course. It seems even more widespread than in the USA by a considerable margin. and that ought to be worrying for the government, though they show no signs of being concerned.

Mental Health in TL is an elephant in the room, even more so than the mean IQ of the population, which is a major contributor to the appalling standards of education here. As I'm sure we all know, education standards and IQ levels are highly interdependent, the better the quality of teaching, the higher the mean IQ and vice-versa. The quality of education and the extent of superstition are inversely proportional - I suspect that successive governments have deliberately kept the population under-educated and superstitious, the more easily to keep them frightened and compliant.

Sorry for the serious tone to what may have been a flip comment, but I do actually think mental health is a serious problem here. As is drinking, a general amorality and very prominent tendencies to violence for what elsewhere would be considered trivial reasons.

Why do you stay here Sigmund?

Must like the place.

[Srikcir]

Whether Thaksin is behind the protests or not, under Thai Law (and numerous examples of previous cases), it would seem that Prayuth can now be sued by Thaksin for defamation of character.

Update - I just read the full exchange between Prayuth and the reporter. IMHO, one of these guys is losing his marbles......

I thought the law...The Constitution was suspended or ignored at this point in time.

Old history.

The 2007 Constitution written by a previous junta and passed by public referendum was abolished by the Prayut junta and replaced by a royal endorsed Interim Charter. In 2015 the Interim Charter was amended by the junta and again royally endorsed as the 2015 Interim Constitution. Royal endorsement makes a constitution legal in a constitutional monarchy.

[rubl]

Prayut names Thaksin as plotter behind protests. As the wikileaks showed some interesting Shinawatra activity in 2009 / 2010 Thaksin doesn't seem to have changed much.

[tominbkk]

Looks like he's in the middle of singing 'My Way'.