Deputy PM Prawit says posting information that distorts facts is punishable by law

[Holy Cinema]

If the Thais are willing to continually bend over and take it from these guys, then perhaps this is exactly the government these deserve.

However, take away their Facebook, smart phone games, and booze, and you'll have riots.

Citizens of most countries these days get more upset over football than they do their government.

and you think the last elected government did a stellar job then ?

Nope, but they could have been voted out........TWICE!!

[jesimps]

If the Thais are willing to continually bend over and take it from these guys, then perhaps this is exactly the government these deserve.

However, take away their Facebook, smart phone games, and booze, and you'll have riots.

Citizens of most countries these days get more upset over football than they do their government.

and you think the last elected government did a stellar job then ?

Do you?

And if not, don't you think it should have been left to the people to vote them out at election time?

[smedly]

Good, I for one cannot wait for the NCPO to be jailed, their propaganda is the very definition of distorting facts.

As to the draft constitution, it is designed to enable the elite to control and possibly oust a government voted in by an electoral majority. And that remark is 100% factual.

here's a 100% honest question

If true,under what situation do you think your claimed fact above would actually be enacted, to make it easy you can look back or forward in time

Where have you been for the past few months? It's common knowledge that the draft charter is designed to stack the decks in favour of the people currently pulling the strings, Hand picked senate, a PM that doesn't need to belong to any party. Even Abhisit himself has stated it's a backwards step.

You're being deliberately obtuse however not unexpected given your stance.

The thread is about the distortion of information/ facts being punishable as a crime, facts like..

The Erwan shrine bombing wasn't an act of terrorism

The Samui VBIED was the work of a Southern Politician

There are NO Military personnel involved in Human Trafficking.

all in your opinion

so you are saying that an elected government will not be allowed to govern or just specific things like Thaksins amnesty attempt lol

[GeorgesAbitbol]

If the Thais are willing to continually bend over and take it from these guys, then perhaps this is exactly the government these deserve.

However, take away their Facebook, smart phone games, and booze, and you'll have riots.

Citizens of most countries these days get more upset over football than they do their government.

and you think the last elected government did a stellar job then ?

but but but Thaksin.....

[smedly]

If the Thais are willing to continually bend over and take it from these guys, then perhaps this is exactly the government these deserve.

However, take away their Facebook, smart phone games, and booze, and you'll have riots.

Citizens of most countries these days get more upset over football than they do their government.

and you think the last elected government did a stellar job then ?

Do you?

And if not, don't you think it should have been left to the people to vote them out at election time?

well the last elected government did a stellar job at tearing the country apart and causing massive demonstrations almost to the point of civil war, all because one convicted criminal wanted his amnesty and all the pending charges dropped - that is a fact and one that many here constantly ignore, so yes I believe it is a good thing that a future government will not be allowed to persue someones personal agenda especially that of a convicted criminal

Edited May 5, 2016 by smedly

[GeorgesAbitbol]

Good, I for one cannot wait for the NCPO to be jailed, their propaganda is the very definition of distorting facts.

As to the draft constitution, it is designed to enable the elite to control and possibly oust a government voted in by an electoral majority. And that remark is 100% factual.

here's a 100% honest question

If true,under what situation do you think your claimed fact above would actually be enacted, to make it easy you can look back or forward in time

Where have you been for the past few months? It's common knowledge that the draft charter is designed to stack the decks in favour of the people currently pulling the strings, Hand picked senate, a PM that doesn't need to belong to any party. Even Abhisit himself has stated it's a backwards step.

You're being deliberately obtuse however not unexpected given your stance.

The thread is about the distortion of information/ facts being punishable as a crime, facts like..

The Erwan shrine bombing wasn't an act of terrorism

The Samui VBIED was the work of a Southern Politician

There are NO Military personnel involved in Human Trafficking.

all in your opinion

so you are saying that an elected government will not be allowed to govern or just specific things like Thaksins amnesty attempt lol

Yes if the chart is passed the government will not be allowed to govern, the Junta will, helped by....

And about the Amnesty bill, what is your opinion on the one which was granted to the Junta for their past/present/future actions ?

[GeorgesAbitbol]

If the Thais are willing to continually bend over and take it from these guys, then perhaps this is exactly the government these deserve.

However, take away their Facebook, smart phone games, and booze, and you'll have riots.

Citizens of most countries these days get more upset over football than they do their government.

and you think the last elected government did a stellar job then ?

Do you?

And if not, don't you think it should have been left to the people to vote them out at election time?

well the last elected government did a stellar job at tearing the country apart and causing massive demonstrations almost to the point of civil war, all because one convicted criminal wanted his amnesty and all the pending charges dropped - that is a fact

The other facts:

the previous government was elected.

Suthep did the riots and worked with the Army to setup the coup

The army granted amnesty for past/present/futur action

[smedly]

here's a 100% honest question

If true,under what situation do you think your claimed fact above would actually be enacted, to make it easy you can look back or forward in time

Where have you been for the past few months? It's common knowledge that the draft charter is designed to stack the decks in favour of the people currently pulling the strings, Hand picked senate, a PM that doesn't need to belong to any party. Even Abhisit himself has stated it's a backwards step.

You're being deliberately obtuse however not unexpected given your stance.

The thread is about the distortion of information/ facts being punishable as a crime, facts like..

The Erwan shrine bombing wasn't an act of terrorism

The Samui VBIED was the work of a Southern Politician

There are NO Military personnel involved in Human Trafficking.

all in your opinion

so you are saying that an elected government will not be allowed to govern or just specific things like Thaksins amnesty attempt lol

Yes if the chart is passed the government will not be allowed to govern, the Junta will, helped by....

And about the Amnesty bill, what is your opinion on the one which was granted to the Junta for their past/present/future actions ?

none of them are convicted criminals on the run or maybe you just refuse to see that

[GeorgesAbitbol]

all in your opinion

Where have you been for the past few months? It's common knowledge that the draft charter is designed to stack the decks in favour of the people currently pulling the strings, Hand picked senate, a PM that doesn't need to belong to any party. Even Abhisit himself has stated it's a backwards step.

You're being deliberately obtuse however not unexpected given your stance.

The thread is about the distortion of information/ facts being punishable as a crime, facts like..

The Erwan shrine bombing wasn't an act of terrorism

The Samui VBIED was the work of a Southern Politician

There are NO Military personnel involved in Human Trafficking.

so you are saying that an elected government will not be allowed to govern or just specific things like Thaksins amnesty attempt lol

Yes if the chart is passed the government will not be allowed to govern, the Junta will, helped by....

And about the Amnesty bill, what is your opinion on the one which was granted to the Junta for their past/present/future actions ?

none of them are convicted criminals on the run or maybe you just refuse to see that

By None of them you mean who the member of the Junta?

You should seriously look at the names and their graft/corruption history before saying that.

Also : a coup make them criminals, arbitrary detention make them criminals, graft cases, nepotism, extra judicial arrests, threatening the families of students,....

want more?

They are not criminals because they granted themselves amnesty, not other reason

Or are you refering to Suthep? In this case I do not even bother to list the accusations and corruptions cases he has.

Yingluck is criminal because Prayuth OCT , no any other reason...

Edited May 5, 2016 by GeorgesAbitbol

[sjaak327]

Good, I for one cannot wait for the NCPO to be jailed, their propaganda is the very definition of distorting facts.

As to the draft constitution, it is designed to enable the elite to control and possibly oust a government voted in by an electoral majority. And that remark is 100% factual.

here's a 100% honest question

If true,under what situation do you think your claimed fact above would actually be enacted, to make it easy you can look back or forward in time

Well a fully appointed senate that has far reaching powers has not been put into the constitution for no reason, only a naïeve person would believe that.

No need to look forward or back in time, the senate should not be appointed and should not have far reaching powers, that's not what a senate is for.

[Siamthomas]

Duck for cover soon the storming rains will come.

[Siamthomas]

From day 1 a nice little roadmap to where the buck lands... Nothing more and abuse of rights

[Siamthomas]

Yingluck is star compared to treel thats sprouting lol

[sjaak327]

If the Thais are willing to continually bend over and take it from these guys, then perhaps this is exactly the government these deserve.

However, take away their Facebook, smart phone games, and booze, and you'll have riots.

Citizens of most countries these days get more upset over football than they do their government.

and you think the last elected government did a stellar job then ?

Do you?

And if not, don't you think it should have been left to the people to vote them out at election time?

well the last elected government did a stellar job at tearing the country apart and causing massive demonstrations almost to the point of civil war, all because one convicted criminal wanted his amnesty and all the pending charges dropped - that is a fact and one that many here constantly ignore, so yes I believe it is a good thing that a future government will not be allowed to persue someones personal agenda especially that of a convicted criminal

The term convicted cirminal means absolutely nothing in Thailand. Currently this country is run by criminals who committed high treason, but yet are completely above the law and have an amnesty written in their interim constitution that gives them amnesty not only for past crimes, but futures crimes too...

One should not use this term, it can only be used if ALL people are equal by law, and the fact is, in Thailand this is NOT the case. The people you support are the ones that are above the law, they can do whatever the hell they like, without ever being held accountable.

I for one would like a governement elected by the Thai electorate, that can reverse this amnesty, jail these human rights abusers and make sure the military never again can stage a coup.

The draft constitution is designed to make this impossible, it is designed to allow for a placebo democracy, where it's not the Thai electorate that can determine the course of the country, but a select few.

The point you keep missing is that the last elected government could and probably would have been voted out of office by the Thai electorate.

The reason for the coup wasn't to get rid of the Yingluck governement, it wasn't staged for the good of Thailand, it was staged to ensure continued control by the elite, and the draf constitution that is up for approval, will ensure they don't even need to stage a coup to get what they want.

Futhermore, this country was never on the brink of a civil war during Suthep's protests. The amnesty bill was already off the table, as the government was just in care taker mode. Hence there would have not been a way for them to pass that bill, UNLESS the Thai electorate would give them another mandate, in which case, it's democracy in action, a majority approving of that bill, would naturally mean it would get passsed.

Democracy also means respecting and accepting the will of the majority.

As to any elected government being allow to govern, yes they will up to the point where they interfere with the people pulling the strings, it's hardly rockect science.

Edited May 5, 2016 by sjaak327

[smedly]

Good, I for one cannot wait for the NCPO to be jailed, their propaganda is the very definition of distorting facts.

As to the draft constitution, it is designed to enable the elite to control and possibly oust a government voted in by an electoral majority. And that remark is 100% factual.

here's a 100% honest question

If true,under what situation do you think your claimed fact above would actually be enacted, to make it easy you can look back or forward in time

Well a fully appointed senate that has far reaching powers has not been put into the constitution for no reason, only a naïeve person would believe that.

No need to look forward or back in time, the senate should not be appointed and should not have far reaching powers, that's not what a senate is for.

you did not answer my question, I'll put it another way

what sort of thing do you think the senate would block

[sjaak327]

Good, I for one cannot wait for the NCPO to be jailed, their propaganda is the very definition of distorting facts.

As to the draft constitution, it is designed to enable the elite to control and possibly oust a government voted in by an electoral majority. And that remark is 100% factual.

here's a 100% honest question

If true,under what situation do you think your claimed fact above would actually be enacted, to make it easy you can look back or forward in time

Well a fully appointed senate that has far reaching powers has not been put into the constitution for no reason, only a naïeve person would believe that.

No need to look forward or back in time, the senate should not be appointed and should not have far reaching powers, that's not what a senate is for.

you did not answer my question, I'll put it another way

what sort of thing do you think the senate would block

Anything that the people pulling the strings in the background do not approve off. Why even ask the question, it's painfully obvious.

[smedly]

and you think the last elected government did a stellar job then ?

Do you?

And if not, don't you think it should have been left to the people to vote them out at election time?

well the last elected government did a stellar job at tearing the country apart and causing massive demonstrations almost to the point of civil war, all because one convicted criminal wanted his amnesty and all the pending charges dropped - that is a fact and one that many here constantly ignore, so yes I believe it is a good thing that a future government will not be allowed to persue someones personal agenda especially that of a convicted criminal

The term convicted cirminal means absolutely nothing in Thailand. Currently this country is run by criminals who committed high treason, but yet are completely above the law and have an amnesty written in their interim constitution that gives them amnesty not only for past crimes, but futures crimes too...

One should not use this term, it can only be used if ALL people are equal by law, and the fact is, in Thailand this is NOT the case. The people you support are the ones that are above the law, they can do whatever the hell they like, without ever being held accountable.

I for one would like a governement elected by the Thai electorate, that can reverse this amnesty, jail these human rights abusers and make sure the military never again can stage a coup.

The draft constitution is designed to make this impossible, it is designed to allow for a placebo democracy, where it's not the Thai electorate that can determine the course of the country, but a select few.

The point you keep missing is that the last elected government could and probably would have been voted out of office by the Thai electorate.

The reason for the coup wasn't to get rid of the Yingluck governement, it wasn't staged for the good of Thailand, it was staged to ensure continued control by the elite, and the draf constitution that is up for approval, will ensure they don't even need to stage a coup to get what they want.

Futhermore, this country was never on the brink of a civil war during Suthep's protests. The amnesty bill was already off the table, as the government was just in care taker mode. Hence there would have not been a way for them to pass that bill, UNLESS the Thai electorate would give them another mandate, in which case, it's democracy in action, a majority approving of that bill, would naturally mean it would get passsed.

Democracy also means respecting and accepting the will of the majority.

As to any elected government being allow to govern, yes they will up to the point where they interfere with the people pulling the strings, it's hardly rockect science.

too funny in so many ways, I suggest you go do some reading before attempting another post because the above is complete nonsense

[smedly]

here's a 100% honest question

If true,under what situation do you think your claimed fact above would actually be enacted, to make it easy you can look back or forward in time

Well a fully appointed senate that has far reaching powers has not been put into the constitution for no reason, only a naïeve person would believe that.

No need to look forward or back in time, the senate should not be appointed and should not have far reaching powers, that's not what a senate is for.

you did not answer my question, I'll put it another way

what sort of thing do you think the senate would block

Anything that the people pulling the strings in the background do not approve off. Why even ask the question, it's painfully obvious.

like what since you seem to have all the answers

[sjaak327]

The term convicted cirminal means absolutely nothing in Thailand. Currently this country is run by criminals who committed high treason, but yet are completely above the law and have an amnesty written in their interim constitution that gives them amnesty not only for past crimes, but futures crimes too...

One should not use this term, it can only be used if ALL people are equal by law, and the fact is, in Thailand this is NOT the case. The people you support are the ones that are above the law, they can do whatever the hell they like, without ever being held accountable.

I for one would like a governement elected by the Thai electorate, that can reverse this amnesty, jail these human rights abusers and make sure the military never again can stage a coup.

The draft constitution is designed to make this impossible, it is designed to allow for a placebo democracy, where it's not the Thai electorate that can determine the course of the country, but a select few.

The point you keep missing is that the last elected government could and probably would have been voted out of office by the Thai electorate.

The reason for the coup wasn't to get rid of the Yingluck governement, it wasn't staged for the good of Thailand, it was staged to ensure continued control by the elite, and the draf constitution that is up for approval, will ensure they don't even need to stage a coup to get what they want.

Futhermore, this country was never on the brink of a civil war during Suthep's protests. The amnesty bill was already off the table, as the government was just in care taker mode. Hence there would have not been a way for them to pass that bill, UNLESS the Thai electorate would give them another mandate, in which case, it's democracy in action, a majority approving of that bill, would naturally mean it would get passsed.

Democracy also means respecting and accepting the will of the majority.

As to any elected government being allow to govern, yes they will up to the point where they interfere with the people pulling the strings, it's hardly rockect science.

too funny in so many ways, I suggest you go do some reading before attempting another post because the above is complete nonsense

Actually the above is 100% factual and verifiable, you obviously never bothered to read the interim constitution, maybe you should do some reading and try to open your eyes, you are defending the indefensible.

[huangnon]

When you're in a position to demand absolutely that 'these are the facts' then I guess anyone who publicly voiced their disagreement can be held for breaking the law. Scarey.

Or dragged off to "training camps", or just vanished.. Wish these goons would just get back to their barracks, or tar-pits. They are an embarrassment to this country.

[sjaak327]

Anything that the people pulling the strings in the background do not approve off. Why even ask the question, it's painfully obvious.

like what since you seem to have all the answers

I don't have all the answers, but I see a turd when I see one.

Now let's try and enrich your limited imagination. One could for instance imagine that any attempt to change the powers of the senate, or the way they are 'selected' would meet with resistance.

The sections of the draft constitution that ensures control to the elite can not be changed as it would never pass the senate. Now is it really that difficult to imagine ?

[Holy Cinema]

Well the last Senate did a sterling job blocking the Amnesty Bill the PTP tried to sneak through, even though some people seem to have forgotten it was killed dead in the water.

But they don't like to debate about the current lot's amnesty Bill, as they know full well it's a damn sight worse than the one Thaksin amongst others would have benefited from. Hypocrisy indeed.

[CharlieH]

Discuss the topic NOT the poster, any more remarks of a personal nature will result in suspensikn without further notice,

Observe forum rule 7, you have been warned.

[heybruce]

Do you?

And if not, don't you think it should have been left to the people to vote them out at election time?

well the last elected government did a stellar job at tearing the country apart and causing massive demonstrations almost to the point of civil war, all because one convicted criminal wanted his amnesty and all the pending charges dropped - that is a fact and one that many here constantly ignore, so yes I believe it is a good thing that a future government will not be allowed to persue someones personal agenda especially that of a convicted criminal

The term convicted cirminal means absolutely nothing in Thailand. Currently this country is run by criminals who committed high treason, but yet are completely above the law and have an amnesty written in their interim constitution that gives them amnesty not only for past crimes, but futures crimes too...

One should not use this term, it can only be used if ALL people are equal by law, and the fact is, in Thailand this is NOT the case. The people you support are the ones that are above the law, they can do whatever the hell they like, without ever being held accountable.

I for one would like a governement elected by the Thai electorate, that can reverse this amnesty, jail these human rights abusers and make sure the military never again can stage a coup.

The draft constitution is designed to make this impossible, it is designed to allow for a placebo democracy, where it's not the Thai electorate that can determine the course of the country, but a select few.

The point you keep missing is that the last elected government could and probably would have been voted out of office by the Thai electorate.

The reason for the coup wasn't to get rid of the Yingluck governement, it wasn't staged for the good of Thailand, it was staged to ensure continued control by the elite, and the draf constitution that is up for approval, will ensure they don't even need to stage a coup to get what they want.

Futhermore, this country was never on the brink of a civil war during Suthep's protests. The amnesty bill was already off the table, as the government was just in care taker mode. Hence there would have not been a way for them to pass that bill, UNLESS the Thai electorate would give them another mandate, in which case, it's democracy in action, a majority approving of that bill, would naturally mean it would get passsed.

Democracy also means respecting and accepting the will of the majority.

As to any elected government being allow to govern, yes they will up to the point where they interfere with the people pulling the strings, it's hardly rockect science.

too funny in so many ways, I suggest you go do some reading before attempting another post because the above is complete nonsense

I see nothing incorrect in sjaak327's post. Would you care to identify what part you consider to be nonsense?

[heybruce]

Well a fully appointed senate that has far reaching powers has not been put into the constitution for no reason, only a naïeve person would believe that.

No need to look forward or back in time, the senate should not be appointed and should not have far reaching powers, that's not what a senate is for.

you did not answer my question, I'll put it another way

what sort of thing do you think the senate would block

Anything that the people pulling the strings in the background do not approve off. Why even ask the question, it's painfully obvious.

like what since you seem to have all the answers

Any attempt to put the military under civilian control.

Any attempt to withdraw past amnesties granted for treason.

Any attempt to have a thorough, independent audit of the military's budget, material, and manpower.

Any attempt to force transparency in the military budget or the finances of military, civil service, police and judicial personnel.

Any attempt to make the press in Thailand truly free to report verified facts without fear of legal or extra-legal consequences.

Those are just a few quick ones off the top of my head, there are many more. The Senate under the proposed constitution would block any of these efforts. If the Senate didn't block them there would be another coup.

[sjaak327]

That's because you refuse to see what is really going on. A classic example of a tourist in Thailand that left their brains at the airport.

You always have the option to leave and return to wherever you came from, maybe you should think about the 60 million + Thai citizens that don't have that luxury,

why can you not make a point without the personal flame

Awfully sorry, but your lack of imagination is astonishing. Do you really believe they will not block anything they deem unwanted ? Why do you think they have introduced this new referendum law ? It's because many people do see this for what it really is, and that debate cannot take place, as it would destroy their draf constitution.

Ask yourself the question why even the democrats have rejected this draft, considering they historically have belonged on the same side, yet even they have quite clearly rejected the draft constitution, apparently even they seem to think this draft is one step too far.

I sincerely hope the Thai electorate will vote in great numbers, as that will be the ensurance that the draft will receive a no vote. Considering the two biggest parties in the country, good for roughly 83% of the votes in the last general election, have both rejected the draft and used strong words in doing so.

Of course if that NO vote is a reality, nobody really knows what happens next, at one point in time the government claimed it would take the 2014 interirm constitution, amend it and activate it without any vote, yet later onwards they claimed to restart the process all over again.

Now they could repeat this for some time, as no doubt the next draf constitution will also fail to bring real democracy to Thailand, as the goal is clear, they want to ensure continued influence of the elite in the way Thailand is run, and in a real democracy that is totally unacceptable.

[JAG]

Where have you been for the past few months? It's common knowledge that the draft charter is designed to stack the decks in favour of the people currently pulling the strings, Hand picked senate, a PM that doesn't need to belong to any party. Even Abhisit himself has stated it's a backwards step.

You're being deliberately obtuse however not unexpected given your stance.

The thread is about the distortion of information/ facts being punishable as a crime, facts like..

The Erwan shrine bombing wasn't an act of terrorism

The Samui VBIED was the work of a Southern Politician

There are NO Military personnel involved in Human Trafficking.

all in your opinion

so you are saying that an elected government will not be allowed to govern or just specific things like Thaksins amnesty attempt lol

Yes if the chart is passed the government will not be allowed to govern, the Junta will, helped by....

And about the Amnesty bill, what is your opinion on the one which was granted to the Junta for their past/present/future actions ?

none of them are convicted criminals on the run or maybe you just refuse to see that

Umm,the first thing they did after seizing power in a military coup (arguably a criminal act) was to give themselves an open ended amnesty!

Maybe you just refuse to see that....

[tbthailand]

Deputy Prime Minister and Defense Minister Gen Prawit Wongsuwan has warmed that posting information that distorts facts is punishable by law.

well, then, all the generals should get in an elephant line and dish out 20 lashes to the moron in front of them.

[tbthailand]

all in your opinion

so you are saying that an elected government will not be allowed to govern or just specific things like Thaksins amnesty attempt lol

Yes if the chart is passed the government will not be allowed to govern, the Junta will, helped by....

And about the Amnesty bill, what is your opinion on the one which was granted to the Junta for their past/present/future actions ?

none of them are convicted criminals on the run or maybe you just refuse to see that

Umm,the first thing they did after seizing power in a military coup (arguably a criminal act) was to give themselves an open ended amnesty!

Maybe you just refuse to see that....

smedly is an incurable junta-hugger-and-apologist...

[Plutojames88]

Do you?

And if not, don't you think it should have been left to the people to vote them out at election time?

well the last elected government did a stellar job at tearing the country apart and causing massive demonstrations almost to the point of civil war, all because one convicted criminal wanted his amnesty and all the pending charges dropped - that is a fact and one that many here constantly ignore, so yes I believe it is a good thing that a future government will not be allowed to persue someones personal agenda especially that of a convicted criminal

The term convicted cirminal means absolutely nothing in Thailand. Currently this country is run by criminals who committed high treason, but yet are completely above the law and have an amnesty written in their interim constitution that gives them amnesty not only for past crimes, but futures crimes too...

One should not use this term, it can only be used if ALL people are equal by law, and the fact is, in Thailand this is NOT the case. The people you support are the ones that are above the law, they can do whatever the hell they like, without ever being held accountable.

I for one would like a governement elected by the Thai electorate, that can reverse this amnesty, jail these human rights abusers and make sure the military never again can stage a coup.

The draft constitution is designed to make this impossible, it is designed to allow for a placebo democracy, where it's not the Thai electorate that can determine the course of the country, but a select few.

The point you keep missing is that the last elected government could and probably would have been voted out of office by the Thai electorate.

The reason for the coup wasn't to get rid of the Yingluck governement, it wasn't staged for the good of Thailand, it was staged to ensure continued control by the elite, and the draf constitution that is up for approval, will ensure they don't even need to stage a coup to get what they want.

Futhermore, this country was never on the brink of a civil war during Suthep's protests. The amnesty bill was already off the table, as the government was just in care taker mode. Hence there would have not been a way for them to pass that bill, UNLESS the Thai electorate would give them another mandate, in which case, it's democracy in action, a majority approving of that bill, would naturally mean it would get passsed.

Democracy also means respecting and accepting the will of the majority.

As to any elected government being allow to govern, yes they will up to the point where they interfere with the people pulling the strings, it's hardly rockect science.

too funny in so many ways, I suggest you go do some reading before attempting another post because the above is complete nonsense

I see nothing incorrect in sjaak327's post. Would you care to identify what part you consider to be nonsense?

I see nothing incorrect either ...I was thinking its refreshingly accurate .