Phra Buddha Isara wants Dhammachayo to be stripped of his monastic rank

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Phra Buddha Isara wants Dhammachayo to be stripped of his monastic rank



BANGKOK: -- Activist monk Phra Buddha Isara lodged a complaint with the Department of Special Investigation this morning (Tuesday) demanding legal action to be taken against red-shirt leader Jatuporn Promphan for allegedly insulting DSI officials.

The abbot of Wat Or Noi in Nakhon Pathom also submitted a separate complaint with Wat Chanasongkram demanding Phra Ratvisuthivetee, the Region One chief monk, to temporarily strip Phra Dhammachayo of his monastic rank until the case against him is over.

Phra Buddha Isara said today that he filed a complaint against Jatuporn, chairman of the United Front for Democracy against Dictatorship (UDD), because the latter had posted messages in his Facebook page and gave interview with Peace TV which were distorted and accusing the DSI of practicing double standard in its handling of the case against Phra Dhammachayo.

The abbot of Wat Oo Noi asked the DSI not to grant bail to the embattled abbot of Wat Dhammakaya in case the latter has turned himself in to prevent him from escaping as in the case of Nane Kham.

As for himself, Phra Buddha Isara said that there are three cases pending against him but he had already turned himself in to acknowledge the charges and were granted bails.

He said that he was not concerned with the cases against him, adding that, as a matter of fact, he has wanted the cases to be sped up as he is ready to defend himself in the court.

Source: http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/content/165462


-- Thai PBS 2016-05-31

[colinneil]

Both of them want stripped of their Buddist rank.

They are a disgrace to BUDDISM.

[brucec64]

Not quite sure which of these 3 guys I dislike the most. They are all a disgrace to thailand.

[reasonablyspeaking]

Both of them want stripped of their Buddist rank.

They are a disgrace to BUDDISM.

Perhaps. But at least 1 of them is pushing for reform:

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Activist Monk Calls for Mass Religious Reform in Thailand

Buddha Issara:

-wants Thailand’s 300,000 monks to be more transparent in their financial dealings

-in April petitioned the National Anti-Corruption Commission to investigate the leading two Buddhist institutions for fraud

-He is also calling for a complete restructuring of the sangha.

http://www.buddhistdoor.net/news/activist-monk-calls-for-mass-religious-reform-in-thailand

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And opposes the nomination of an allegedly corruption-tainted supreme patriarch:

"Everyone knows that Dhammakaya is Thaksin’s political tool."

http://www.thaiworld.org/enn/thailand_monitor/answera.php?question_id=1509

Edited May 31, 2016 by reasonablyspeaking

[Mango Bob]

I am sure many feel the same why about him also.

[NongKhaiKid]

In order to reflect Thainess and the Thai version of Buddhism it seems some old sayings might need to be updated so for starters may I suggest,

It takes a monk to catch a monk

No honour amongst monks

When monks fall out

Once a monk always a monk

It's a den of monks

there's more I'm sure.

[Strangebrew]

Wow Another amazing day in Thailand.

[Winniedapu]

Dangerous guy this one. If the government take notice of him, they will regret doing so.

100% flatulence.

W

[Misterwhisper]

So that disgrace of a monk wants another disgrace of a monk stripped of his monastic rank? Pot calling the kettle black?

[DM07]

Belzebub wants to defrock the Devil...

[Snig27]

Both of them want stripped of their Buddist rank.

They are a disgrace to BUDDISM.

Perhaps. But at least 1 of them is pushing for reform:

--------------

Activist Monk Calls for Mass Religious Reform in Thailand

Buddha Issara:

-wants Thailand’s 300,000 monks to be more transparent in their financial dealings

-in April petitioned the National Anti-Corruption Commission to investigate the leading two Buddhist institutions for fraud

-He is also calling for a complete restructuring of the sangha.

http://www.buddhistdoor.net/news/activist-monk-calls-for-mass-religious-reform-in-thailand

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And opposes the nomination of an allegedly corruption-tainted supreme patriarch:

"Everyone knows that Dhammakaya is Thaksin’s political tool."

http://www.thaiworld.org/enn/thailand_monitor/answera.php?question_id=1509

He's also a primary reason why Thailand is the mess it is today. The guy should be in a cell right now.

[diehard60]

He should be stripped also.

[WhizBang]

I agree, disrobe the flying saucer criminal.

[Winniedapu]

I agree, disrobe the flying saucer criminal.

How do you know he's a criminal?

W

[newcomer71]

The pot calling the kettle black...

[MZurf]

In order to reflect Thainess and the Thai version of Buddhism it seems some old sayings might need to be updated so for starters may I suggest,

It takes a monk to catch a monk

No honour amongst monks

When monks fall out

Once a monk always a monk

It's a den of monks

there's more I'm sure.

Monk see, monk do?

[Emster23]

Dear Isara: lead by example.

[tuanku]

Issara gets a relatively good international press and is portrayed as someone who wants to reform corrupted Thai Buddhism. The Guardian had this to say about him

"A hardliner who upends the stereotype of the friendly, chuckling monk, Buddha Issara had a video camera recording the interview, while tattoo-covered men of uncertain role skulked around in the background. He supported the overthrow of the democratically elected but polarising prime minister, Yingluck Shinawatra, last year and is said to be close toGeneral Prayuth Chan-ocha, the junta leader. With the military junta now cleaning up politics and the economy, it would be ill-advised to leave out religion, the monk said."

But the full article is more positive. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/may/15/thailand-buddhist-monks-bad-behaviour-crackdown

[ChidlomDweller]

Issara gets a relatively good international press and is portrayed as someone who wants to reform corrupted Thai Buddhism. The Guardian had this to say about him

"A hardliner who upends the stereotype of the friendly, chuckling monk, Buddha Issara had a video camera recording the interview, while tattoo-covered men of uncertain role skulked around in the background. He supported the overthrow of the democratically elected but polarising prime minister, Yingluck Shinawatra, last year and is said to be close to[/colorGeneral Prayuth Chan-ocha, the junta leader. With the military junta now cleaning up politics and the economy, it would be ill-advised to leave out religion, the monk said."

But the full article is more positive. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/may/15/thailand-buddhist-monks-bad-behaviour-crackdown

Ha, but read the comments. Embarassing piece for the Guardian to print.

[tuanku]

Issara gets a relatively good international press and is portrayed as someone who wants to reform corrupted Thai Buddhism. The Guardian had this to say about him

"A hardliner who upends the stereotype of the friendly, chuckling monk, Buddha Issara had a video camera recording the interview, while tattoo-covered men of uncertain role skulked around in the background. He supported the overthrow of the democratically elected but polarising prime minister, Yingluck Shinawatra, last year and is said to be close to[/colorGeneral Prayuth Chan-ocha, the junta leader. With the military junta now cleaning up politics and the economy, it would be ill-advised to leave out religion, the monk said."

But the full article is more positive. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/may/15/thailand-buddhist-monks-bad-behaviour-crackdown

Ha, but read the comments. Embarassing piece for the Guardian to print.

Glad they got called on it, but similar Reforming Monk type articles appear in a number of media outlets in UK and US and don't really show the Issara we have come to know here, (apart from the tattoo covered men of uncertain role)

[LannaGuy]

pot and kettles

[Justiceprevail]

What a shame to see your media and your writers not being educated to address Monks correctly and respectfully or is it both a bias and a deliberate act? Your media has repeatedly avoided addressing Phra Dhammachayo as the Abbot and on top of that you have addressed the Abbot Phra Dhammachayo just by his name without even including the basic title of "Phra" or "Venerable". It goes to show the level of basic manners, education and impartiality that is non existent in your media.

A trustworthy, respectable and reliable media is supposed to stay as neutral and as impartial as possible in its stand during its reporting so as not to try to seriously distort and mislead readers at large. The media should not endeavor to take sides and try to sway readers. Readers are free to explore and maintain their own judgement.

One may underestimate the power of Karma or not believe in the law of cause and effect then wait to bear the fruits of your own speech, actions and thoughts which have been planted when the karma is ripened.

To avoid all evil, to cultivate good, and to cleanse one's mind this is the teaching of the Buddhas.

Good luck to those who speaks or acts with an evil thought, pain will follow, as the wheel follows the foot of the ox that draws the carriage.

Rejoice the merits of those who speaks or acts with a pure thought, happiness follows him, like a shadow that never leaves him.

[Sunderland]

What a shame to see your media and your writers not being educated to address Monks correctly and respectfully or is it both a bias and a deliberate act? Your media has repeatedly avoided addressing Phra Dhammachayo as the Abbot and on top of that you have addressed the Abbot Phra Dhammachayo just by his name without even including the basic title of "Phra" or "Venerable". It goes to show the level of basic manners, education and impartiality that is non existent in your media.

A trustworthy, respectable and reliable media is supposed to stay as neutral and as impartial as possible in its stand during its reporting so as not to try to seriously distort and mislead readers at large. The media should not endeavor to take sides and try to sway readers. Readers are free to explore and maintain their own judgement.

One may underestimate the power of Karma or not believe in the law of cause and effect then wait to bear the fruits of your own speech, actions and thoughts which have been planted when the karma is ripened.

To avoid all evil, to cultivate good, and to cleanse one's mind this is the teaching of the Buddhas.

Good luck to those who speaks or acts with an evil thought, pain will follow, as the wheel follows the foot of the ox that draws the carriage.

Rejoice the merits of those who speaks or acts with a pure thought, happiness follows him, like a shadow that never leaves him.

[Sunderland]

Don't be so serious. The news is as funny as reading a comic/magazine in the U.K. called Viz.

Chill, relax and have a beer. You can also go to Heaven in a spaceship.

[LannaGuy]

What a shame to see your media and your writers not being educated to address Monks correctly and respectfully or is it both a bias and a deliberate act? Your media has repeatedly avoided addressing Phra Dhammachayo as the Abbot and on top of that you have addressed the Abbot Phra Dhammachayo just by his name without even including the basic title of "Phra" or "Venerable". It goes to show the level of basic manners, education and impartiality that is non existent in your media.

A trustworthy, respectable and reliable media is supposed to stay as neutral and as impartial as possible in its stand during its reporting so as not to try to seriously distort and mislead readers at large. The media should not endeavor to take sides and try to sway readers. Readers are free to explore and maintain their own judgement.

One may underestimate the power of Karma or not believe in the law of cause and effect then wait to bear the fruits of your own speech, actions and thoughts which have been planted when the karma is ripened.

To avoid all evil, to cultivate good, and to cleanse one's mind this is the teaching of the Buddhas.

Good luck to those who speaks or acts with an evil thought, pain will follow, as the wheel follows the foot of the ox that draws the carriage.

Rejoice the merits of those who speaks or acts with a pure thought, happiness follows him, like a shadow that never leaves him.

it's coz we don't believe he's a real monk as he loves da secular and acts like a homeboy ok? monks do NOT get involved with politics get it? do you understand anything about Buddhism? I think not

Edited June 1, 2016 by LannaGuy

[Justiceprevail]

What a shame to see your media and your writers not being educated to address Monks correctly and respectfully or is it both a bias and a deliberate act? Your media has repeatedly avoided addressing Phra Dhammachayo as the Abbot and on top of that you have addressed the Abbot Phra Dhammachayo just by his name without even including the basic title of "Phra" or "Venerable". It goes to show the level of basic manners, education and impartiality that is non existent in your media.

A trustworthy, respectable and reliable media is supposed to stay as neutral and as impartial as possible in its stand during its reporting so as not to try to seriously distort and mislead readers at large. The media should not endeavor to take sides and try to sway readers. Readers are free to explore and maintain their own judgement.

One may underestimate the power of Karma or not believe in the law of cause and effect then wait to bear the fruits of your own speech, actions and thoughts which have been planted when the karma is ripened.

To avoid all evil, to cultivate good, and to cleanse one's mind this is the teaching of the Buddhas.

Good luck to those who speaks or acts with an evil thought, pain will follow, as the wheel follows the foot of the ox that draws the carriage.

Rejoice the merits of those who speaks or acts with a pure thought, happiness follows him, like a shadow that never leaves him.

it's coz we don't believe he's a real monk as he loves da secular and acts like a homeboy ok? monks do NOT get involved with politics get it? do you understand anything about Buddhism? I think not

[Justiceprevail]

What a shame to see your media and your writers not being educated to address Monks correctly and respectfully or is it both a bias and a deliberate act? Your media has repeatedly avoided addressing Phra Dhammachayo as the Abbot and on top of that you have addressed the Abbot Phra Dhammachayo just by his name without even including the basic title of "Phra" or "Venerable". It goes to show the level of basic manners, education and impartiality that is non existent in your media.

A trustworthy, respectable and reliable media is supposed to stay as neutral and as impartial as possible in its stand during its reporting so as not to try to seriously distort and mislead readers at large. The media should not endeavor to take sides and try to sway readers. Readers are free to explore and maintain their own judgement.

One may underestimate the power of Karma or not believe in the law of cause and effect then wait to bear the fruits of your own speech, actions and thoughts which have been planted when the karma is ripened.

To avoid all evil, to cultivate good, and to cleanse one's mind this is the teaching of the Buddhas.

Good luck to those who speaks or acts with an evil thought, pain will follow, as the wheel follows the foot of the ox that draws the carriage.

Rejoice the merits of those who speaks or acts with a pure thought, happiness follows him, like a shadow that never leaves him.

it's coz we don't believe he's a real monk as he loves da secular and acts like a homeboy ok? monks do NOT get involved with politics get it? do you understand anything about Buddhism? I think not

[Justiceprevail]

Do not judge and do not insist your own beliefs upon other people because like you, everyone have their own beliefs and knowledge of what is right or wrong. And do not underestimate or belittle other people easily, it does not make you a better person in any way. Respect other people and you will gain more genuine followers/readers. Do not reply again.

What a shame to see your media and your writers not being educated to address Monks correctly and respectfully or is it both a bias and a deliberate act? Your media has repeatedly avoided addressing Phra Dhammachayo as the Abbot and on top of that you have addressed the Abbot Phra Dhammachayo just by his name without even including the basic title of "Phra" or "Venerable". It goes to show the level of basic manners, education and impartiality that is non existent in your media.

A trustworthy, respectable and reliable media is supposed to stay as neutral and as impartial as possible in its stand during its reporting so as not to try to seriously distort and mislead readers at large. The media should not endeavor to take sides and try to sway readers. Readers are free to explore and maintain their own judgement.

One may underestimate the power of Karma or not believe in the law of cause and effect then wait to bear the fruits of your own speech, actions and thoughts which have been planted when the karma is ripened.

To avoid all evil, to cultivate good, and to cleanse one's mind this is the teaching of the Buddhas.

Good luck to those who speaks or acts with an evil thought, pain will follow, as the wheel follows the foot of the ox that draws the carriage.

Rejoice the merits of those who speaks or acts with a pure thought, happiness follows him, like a shadow that never leaves him.

it's coz we don't believe he's a real monk as he loves da secular and acts like a homeboy ok? monks do NOT get involved with politics get it? do you understand anything about Buddhism? I think not

[baboon]

^^

I must insist on my right not to have quasi profound flapdoodle rammed down my daughter's throat by practitioners of organised religion, even if it does mean I have deviated from the Tao and am now a blossom floating into listlessly into the reeds like a stick falling on the most delicate of leaves and The Enlightenment Ones can not count on my donations towards their bottle of elixir and hot tip on the 3:15.

It's a racket, the lot of it.

Edited June 1, 2016 by baboon

[Thechook]

This nasty evil little thing is the one who should be stripped of his robes.