Beijing begins military exercise in South China Sea

[LawrenceChee]

China is a communist state and national pride has been on the agenda for all communist states.

This makes the North Korean co-ordinated parade flashcards such a great show to watch....minus the pun, it's an amazing display of co-ordination when they flips the pictures and I always wonder how they do it.

As such,. some media will be reporting this as a nationalistic thing to rise up to so that the groups who are ultra hardliners can be pleased and the moderates on the south continue with our WSJ, NYT,. FT, SMCP etc and vpns to access alternative viewpoints and there will be those who are wont care what this ruling means especially for those in the Yunnan mountains areas where they don't see any ocean shorelines at all. If the mountains are moving, they will be worried...some small islands they could not care less.

So while the warmongers make it sound like the entire 1.4 billion Chinese are fed on one drip being brainwashed with the same ideas...the reality on the ground is the diversity of opinions ranges from the crazy to the indifferent.

In about 6 months, this will be news that nothing has happen or changed....that's when it becomes interesting ...not the present moment.

In about 6 months, this will be news that nothing has happen or changed....that's when it becomes interesting ...not the present moment.

The more time that passes, after six months for instance, the more CCP Dictators will need to accept the ruling of the UNCLOS Tribunal in The Hague. Time is not on the side of the CCP Klutzes in Beijing as they only sink deeper into it.

In September CCP Boyz will host the G-20 in Hangzhou on the East Sea so they're currently on their best SCS behavior. CCP's best SCS behavior is to be their normal bully but to speak more quietly, less often, and to keep the knife at the Philippines' throat.

Philippines lead lawyer at the Tribunal Paul Reichler of the Washington-Boston firm Foley Hoag said that over time Beijing will need to recognise the ruling and that it necessarily will need to comply...

He predicted China would face pressure to abide by the ruling from other rival claimants, including Vietnam, Indonesia and Malaysia. "It may be that in time ... the Chinese will come to realize that they have more to lose than to gain from creating a chaotic, lawless situation," he said.

http://news.abs-cbn.com/nation/06/30/16/china-risks-outlaw-status-if-it-rejects-south-china-sea-ruling-lawyer

Former Phils prez Fidel Ramos can do only so much as the special envoy to Beijing to try to work out trade deals, which is what Prez Rodrigo Duterte has appointed the 88 year old brain dead Ramos to do (Ramos suffers from a decreased flow of blood to the brain and has a heart pacemaker). (Duterte's brain is not in such a good shape either.)

Ramos however may well be wasting his time.

Phils Solicitor General Jose Calido says no trade deals can be made that impact the Tribunal's ruling unless and until CCP recognise the Tribunal and its decisions. The civil servant Calido says Ramos as special envoy appointed by Duterte has no constitutional authority to negotiate with China on EEZ or territorial sea issues while Beijing is in violation of the Convention.

Foreign Minister Perfecto Yasay says also that any negotiations on trade or in any other matters that impact the issues addressed by the Tribunal as brought by the Phils must be based on CCP accepting the Tribunal and its rulings. Yasay also says to do otherwise would be "unconstitutional and a violation of sovereignty." Yasay said the same thing to FM Wang Yi at the Asian-Europe Meeting in Mongolia last week.

Phils Supreme Court Justice Antionio Carpio who is the Phils law heavyweight said the same thing. Justice Carpio said the Duterte two-step negotiation proposal in fact requires Beijing to recognise the Tribunal and its ruling in step two, or it would be unconstitutional. Step one is for Ramos to negotiate informally; step two is for formal open discussions and formal signings of agreements. Justice Carpio says this is where the two step process breaks down, i.e., if Beijing does not recognise or accept the PCA and its decisions, the signed formal agreements on trade or anything else related to the EEZ et al will be unconstitutional.

In short, time is not on the side of the Dictators in Beijing.

Prez Duterte has also agreed to take to congress the proposal of the military chiefs to increase the total armed forces by 10,000 and to increase military spending.

Duterte last week accepted the gift from the USA of a Hamilton-class coast guard cutter from the US reserve fleet, which brings to three the Hamilton-class cutters US has donated to the Phils navy from its reserve fleet in the past two years.

Prez Trump Duterte has other matters with CCP Boyz in Beijing too...

Duterte to confront China on illegal drugs trade

President Rodrigo Duterte is wondering why many Chinese nationals are linked to the illegal drug trade in the country and he plans to ask the Chinese government directly. Duterte also alleged that many of the drug suspects killed are Chinese nationals. "Why is this the situation? Why is it that your... but most of the guys that come here do drugs, they are even inside," he said.

http://www.rappler.com/nation/140065-duterte-china-illegal-drugs-trade

Since assuming office last month Duterte has ordered police to shoot drug dealers on sight...all of 'em...every one of 'em. Which is what the Phils police have been doing -- with enthusiasm.

I agree on this ...unlike some ninny whinny ...I believe drug lords and their dealers should be shot on sight. Duarte is not only after the Chinese but all those who are involved and there are a lot of Filipinos in the trade....in his hometown, he has done a great job but get some flak from the human rights group of course.

I agree on this...if they are dealing...shoot them. No mercy on this front from me.

[Publicus]

Asean foreign ministers met in Laos today and they of course failed to agree to a statement on the PCA ruling against CCP Dictators in Beijing in respect of the SCS.

Cambodia which with Laos today led opposition to an Asean consensus position proposed by the Philippines, Singapore, Indonesia had just received a $600,000,000 soft loan from CCP Dictators in Beijing.

In 2012 when Cambodia hosted Asean leaders it prevented a group statement on SCS and held Beijing's coat as CCP shredded the SCS Code of Conduct signed in 2002 --- again shortly after Hun Sen received a $500,000,000 soft loan from Beijing.

Beijing's 'divide and rule' tactics throw ASEAN into disarray

VIENTIANE, Laos -- Southeast Asian nations are in unparalleled disarray over Beijing's saber-rattling in the South China Sea, analysts and insiders say, with the fractures set to deepen as staunch China ally Laos hosts top regional diplomats this weekend.

"China has succeeded in splitting ASEAN on the South China Sea issue through its allies Laos and Cambodia," an ASEAN diplomat told AFP requesting anonymity.

The bloc's inability to remain united "will surely weaken ASEAN not just on the South China Sea problem but as a regional grouping," the diplomat added.

http://interaksyon.com/article/130640/beijings-divide-and-rule-tactics-throw-asean-into-disarray

CCP is methodically destroying Asean as a regional grouping. Beijing wants to deal with ten small fish instead of one bigger fish in the SCS and in all maters pertaining to the region. CCP are determined to demolish the UNCLOS as well.

CCP has support in places throughout the region.

[Publicus]

China is a communist state and national pride has been on the agenda for all communist states.

This makes the North Korean co-ordinated parade flashcards such a great show to watch....minus the pun, it's an amazing display of co-ordination when they flips the pictures and I always wonder how they do it.

As such,. some media will be reporting this as a nationalistic thing to rise up to so that the groups who are ultra hardliners can be pleased and the moderates on the south continue with our WSJ, NYT,. FT, SMCP etc and vpns to access alternative viewpoints and there will be those who are wont care what this ruling means especially for those in the Yunnan mountains areas where they don't see any ocean shorelines at all. If the mountains are moving, they will be worried...some small islands they could not care less.

So while the warmongers make it sound like the entire 1.4 billion Chinese are fed on one drip being brainwashed with the same ideas...the reality on the ground is the diversity of opinions ranges from the crazy to the indifferent.

In about 6 months, this will be news that nothing has happen or changed....that's when it becomes interesting ...not the present moment.

In about 6 months, this will be news that nothing has happen or changed....that's when it becomes interesting ...not the present moment.

The more time that passes, after six months for instance, the more CCP Dictators will need to accept the ruling of the UNCLOS Tribunal in The Hague. Time is not on the side of the CCP Klutzes in Beijing as they only sink deeper into it.

In September CCP Boyz will host the G-20 in Hangzhou on the East Sea so they're currently on their best SCS behavior. CCP's best SCS behavior is to be their normal bully but to speak more quietly, less often, and to keep the knife at the Philippines' throat.

Philippines lead lawyer at the Tribunal Paul Reichler of the Washington-Boston firm Foley Hoag said that over time Beijing will need to recognise the ruling and that it necessarily will need to comply...

He predicted China would face pressure to abide by the ruling from other rival claimants, including Vietnam, Indonesia and Malaysia. "It may be that in time ... the Chinese will come to realize that they have more to lose than to gain from creating a chaotic, lawless situation," he said.

http://news.abs-cbn.com/nation/06/30/16/china-risks-outlaw-status-if-it-rejects-south-china-sea-ruling-lawyer

Former Phils prez Fidel Ramos can do only so much as the special envoy to Beijing to try to work out trade deals, which is what Prez Rodrigo Duterte has appointed the 88 year old brain dead Ramos to do (Ramos suffers from a decreased flow of blood to the brain and has a heart pacemaker). (Duterte's brain is not in such a good shape either.)

Ramos however may well be wasting his time.

Phils Solicitor General Jose Calido says no trade deals can be made that impact the Tribunal's ruling unless and until CCP recognise the Tribunal and its decisions. The civil servant Calido says Ramos as special envoy appointed by Duterte has no constitutional authority to negotiate with China on EEZ or territorial sea issues while Beijing is in violation of the Convention.

Foreign Minister Perfecto Yasay says also that any negotiations on trade or in any other matters that impact the issues addressed by the Tribunal as brought by the Phils must be based on CCP accepting the Tribunal and its rulings. Yasay also says to do otherwise would be "unconstitutional and a violation of sovereignty." Yasay said the same thing to FM Wang Yi at the Asian-Europe Meeting in Mongolia last week.

Phils Supreme Court Justice Antionio Carpio who is the Phils law heavyweight said the same thing. Justice Carpio said the Duterte two-step negotiation proposal in fact requires Beijing to recognise the Tribunal and its ruling in step two, or it would be unconstitutional. Step one is for Ramos to negotiate informally; step two is for formal open discussions and formal signings of agreements. Justice Carpio says this is where the two step process breaks down, i.e., if Beijing does not recognise or accept the PCA and its decisions, the signed formal agreements on trade or anything else related to the EEZ et al will be unconstitutional.

In short, time is not on the side of the Dictators in Beijing.

Prez Duterte has also agreed to take to congress the proposal of the military chiefs to increase the total armed forces by 10,000 and to increase military spending.

Duterte last week accepted the gift from the USA of a Hamilton-class coast guard cutter from the US reserve fleet, which brings to three the Hamilton-class cutters US has donated to the Phils navy from its reserve fleet in the past two years.

Prez Trump Duterte has other matters with CCP Boyz in Beijing too...

Duterte to confront China on illegal drugs trade

President Rodrigo Duterte is wondering why many Chinese nationals are linked to the illegal drug trade in the country and he plans to ask the Chinese government directly. Duterte also alleged that many of the drug suspects killed are Chinese nationals. "Why is this the situation? Why is it that your... but most of the guys that come here do drugs, they are even inside," he said.

http://www.rappler.com/nation/140065-duterte-china-illegal-drugs-trade

Since assuming office last month Duterte has ordered police to shoot drug dealers on sight...all of 'em...every one of 'em. Which is what the Phils police have been doing -- with enthusiasm.

I agree on this ...unlike some ninny whinny ...I believe drug lords and their dealers should be shot on sight. Duarte is not only after the Chinese but all those who are involved and there are a lot of Filipinos in the trade....in his hometown, he has done a great job but get some flak from the human rights group of course.

I agree on this...if they are dealing...shoot them. No mercy on this front from me.

You are pleased to run off topic any time for any reason in any direction.

[Scott]

Continued off-topic posting will result in suspensions.

Again, you have been warned.

[LawrenceChee]

The use of foreign aid is a tried and tested method for strengthening your agenda and aligning your common interests on the ground. In the western world, they use "consultants" and lobbyists to pursue the same interests to legislate in their interests.

China has a huge population to take care of with its communist ideology, the people hate the governance but expect the government in every way to provide as a communist government should. Such a crowd with no votes is actually harder to please than in a traditional democratic world.

As such, the Chinese makes very little friends this way when they go crazy over their resources search and at times have to decide if they can bear it alone...I don't think that is the right way but I am not governing China and only acting in their interests in the south...and even in the prosperous delta region, there differences in opinions for nationalistic and trade agendas differs by a very huge gulf depending on who you speak with in the committee

I was recently in Tianjin and some western CEOs were very pleased the vice mayor came to meet them a trade meeting until I reminded them there are 5 in this city and this was the lowest ranking one...then reality struck how complex it is to do business in China as who you think is important may rarely be the right connecting dot to the matter.

So when you factor in all these recent military decisions...I can just say the decision making was complex and hardly cordial in the room.

Singapore while aligned with Indonesia in some sense, is a staunch Chinese ally in ASEAN.

It's a known fact when you have spent some time in the city state. Franky the internal rankings of Singapore doesn't like Philippines much and its citizens think Filipinos are taking over their parks / malls during their day off and the opinion is largely everyone is a maid / poorly trained nurse and it also largely ignores Myanmar. very narrow minded views but that is the stark reality on the ground.

When the King of Cambodia died, Singapore sent their DPM there and not their President ...it was largely treated as a bad snide and I agree they should have been more cordial but Singaporeans in general think of Cambodia as a poor and dirty country.

ASEAN was fragmented even before Chinese came along because the unity was always for face front. Annually and this has almost hit a bursting point last year, Indonesia gets into a tiff with Malaysia and Singapore over its haze issue happening next month.

The Chinese have made it harder for the fragmented group as Laos / Cambodia needs aid and don't really want to deal with the west and all their rules for the aid...Japanese have always provided that aid and now China is giving more...so while I don't agree with their type of needy governance as it rankles like Greece, I can also hardly fault them as anyone who has been to Cambodia and Laos for visa runs knows those countries are inherently poor and will stay that way without aid.

Beijing will continue to build its influence globally and it has to. While Europe will have some things to say about China...next month the trade talks will swing the opinions another way if they soften up and Chinese backs down a little...

No one in the diplomatic world would want to remind China of its losses after a few months ....after all it never pays to antagonise and rub it in their face....you will just get wrong reaction.

[Publicus]

This is the topic Lawrence, not your committees that amount to nothing.

STR

In this July 14, 2016 file photo, a woman walks past a billboard featuring an image of an island in South China Sea on display with Chinese words that read: "South China Sea, our beautiful motherland, we won't let go an inch" in Weifang in east China's Shandong province.

China has responded to the sweeping victory for the Philippines by flexing its military might. The Philippines faces pressure both at home and abroad not to cede an inch to China after the July 12 decision by a tribunal at The Hague-based Permanent Court of Arbitration. (Chinatopix via AP, File)

http://www.newsadvance.com/news/world/wire/asean-split-on-how-to-deal-with-china-in-south/article_2ce55a93-f6a3-55c1-b7d2-be048575d1b1.html

No ASEAN consensus on South China Sea row _ for now

http://www.newsadvance.com/news/world/wire/no-asean-consensus-on-south-china-sea-row-for-now/article_6006cc4e-af1d-5864-9dbe-efcf7a4e63b4.html

Interesting report out of Laos after a day today in which Cambodia and Asean host Laos prevented an Asean FM joint statement on the SCS which would endorse the findings of the PCA in The Hague, as drafted by the Philippines, Singapore, Indonesia.

The section on the Asean foreign ministers joint statement on their broad range of discussion topics will remain blank under the section entitled, "South China Sea." This hadn't ever happened before and it would be intended to be a direct slap in the face of the CCP Klutzes. (The space may end up being filled in by something as it has to be printed/produced in Laos at the meeting site.)

I'd venture that for Beijing which is driving to dismember Asean no news is good news. For the rest of the region however, the blank space -- if it can remain blank in the Joint Statement -- will speak volumes of terrible news. And of a stout Asean defiance of the Dictators in Beijing.

[Publicus]

The use of foreign aid is a tried and tested method for strengthening your agenda and aligning your common interests on the ground. In the western world, they use "consultants" and lobbyists to pursue the same interests to legislate in their interests.

China has a huge population to take care of with its communist ideology, the people hate the governance but expect the government in every way to provide as a communist government should. Such a crowd with no votes is actually harder to please than in a traditional democratic world.

As such, the Chinese makes very little friends this way when they go crazy over their resources search and at times have to decide if they can bear it alone...I don't think that is the right way but I am not governing China and only acting in their interests in the south...and even in the prosperous delta region, there differences in opinions for nationalistic and trade agendas differs by a very huge gulf depending on who you speak with in the committee

I was recently in Tianjin and some western CEOs were very pleased the vice mayor came to meet them a trade meeting until I reminded them there are 5 in this city and this was the lowest ranking one...then reality struck how complex it is to do business in China as who you think is important may rarely be the right connecting dot to the matter.

So when you factor in all these recent military decisions...I can just say the decision making was complex and hardly cordial in the room.

Singapore while aligned with Indonesia in some sense, is a staunch Chinese ally in ASEAN.

It's a known fact when you have spent some time in the city state. Franky the internal rankings of Singapore doesn't like Philippines much and its citizens think Filipinos are taking over their parks / malls during their day off and the opinion is largely everyone is a maid / poorly trained nurse and it also largely ignores Myanmar. very narrow minded views but that is the stark reality on the ground.

When the King of Cambodia died, Singapore sent their DPM there and not their President ...it was largely treated as a bad snide and I agree they should have been more cordial but Singaporeans in general think of Cambodia as a poor and dirty country.

ASEAN was fragmented even before Chinese came along because the unity was always for face front. Annually and this has almost hit a bursting point last year, Indonesia gets into a tiff with Malaysia and Singapore over its haze issue happening next month.

The Chinese have made it harder for the fragmented group as Laos / Cambodia needs aid and don't really want to deal with the west and all their rules for the aid...Japanese have always provided that aid and now China is giving more...so while I don't agree with their type of needy governance as it rankles like Greece, I can also hardly fault them as anyone who has been to Cambodia and Laos for visa runs knows those countries are inherently poor and will stay that way without aid.

Beijing will continue to build its influence globally and it has to. While Europe will have some things to say about China...next month the trade talks will swing the opinions another way if they soften up and Chinese backs down a little...

No one in the diplomatic world would want to remind China of its losses after a few months ....after all it never pays to antagonise and rub it in their face....you will just get wrong reaction.

Let's hope Xi Jinping who is widely known as not intellectually gifted got the message from President Obama last time they spoke directly in March...

In a recent testimony before the US Senate Armed Services committee, US Defense Secretary Carter was quoted as saying “...Scarborough is a piece of disputed territory that like other disputes in the region, has the potential to lead to military conflict...That’s particularly concerning to us, given its proximity to the Philippines.”

According to a report by some American newspapers, President Obama mentioned Scarborough Shoal to President Xi Jinping during their meeting last March 31 at the Nuclear Security Summit.

The New York Times reported: “The stakes are so high that Mr. Obama warned the Chinese leader Xi Jinping, during the recent meeting in Washington not to move on the Scarborough Shoal or invoke an air defense zone, said an American official who was briefed on the details of the encounter and spoke anonymously because of the diplomatic sensitivities.”

http://www.philstar.com/opinion/2016/07/24/1606050/red-line-scarborough

No one in the diplomatic world would want to remind China of its losses after a few months ....after all it never pays to antagonise and rub it in their face....you will just get wrong reaction.

China does not have to wait "a few months" given the coup being conducted by Asean at the FM meeting in Laos this weekend. The idea of leaving a blank space in the FM Joint Statement of all issues in the standard section on the South China Sea is both a direct slap in the face of the CCP clowns in Beijing and a knee to their knuts. [sic] The open defiance and diplomatic offense is happening now, already, at the present moment.

Singaporeans in general think of Cambodia as a poor and dirty country.

Again, Chinese always deflect to talk about someone other than China again and again, interminably. So let's have China fess up to the fact CCP teaches in all the schools that Thailand is a country of a low culture and civilisation and that it is a backward country that is dirty and poor, which is due to it having its religion and its particular form of government. Even Chinese who have been to Thailand continue to spout this cultural indoctrination, despite the fact they'd been to Paragon, Central and around Bangkok, and to Chiang Mai, Phuket and the like. Y'know, those Thais have genes from out of Africa whereas the Chinese do not.

[boomerangutang]

Cambodia's mafia-like strongman appears to wield a lot of influence over the limp-wristed delegates of ASEAN. It's not enough that he got a prominent opposition politician killed recently (for contributing to a farang-written story about how Hun Sen's family is becoming filthy rich by running Cambodia like a personal fiefdom). Hun Sen is China's boy. He's worth every tiger skin they send to him (to decorate his various mansions).

[boomerangutang]

Regarding China and ASEAN. They're all looking out for their selfish interests. That's most of what any country does.

China wants massive amounts of resources. They made a gamble (to get fish, but mostly to get lots of oil) in the regions near Philippines. The gamble is looking like less of a sure thing, despite China's imperialist banter ("We will never give away one inch of our beloved Chinese sovereign nation!"). It's sounding like Belgium when the Congolese wanted them to get out.

Troubles ahead.

[LawrenceChee]

Regarding China and ASEAN. They're all looking out for their selfish interests. That's most of what any country does.

China wants massive amounts of resources. They made a gamble (to get fish, but mostly to get lots of oil) in the regions near Philippines. The gamble is looking like less of a sure thing, despite China's imperialist banter ("We will never give away one inch of our beloved Chinese sovereign nation!"). It's sounding like Belgium when the Congolese wanted them to get out.

Troubles ahead.

Boomer...no one takes note of the nutcase like those who are posting their imperial banter as you describe it .....i

You will find nutcase in every country and you will find these ultra right wingers with little influence in the actual government policies.

Churning out communist propaganda has always been a communist countries hallmark and I collect such old posters as they are interesting ones with interesting slogans. I actually like those in Vietnam as Uncle Ho is a striking figure and the agricultural ones are downright hilarious and tastefully done in colours at that era of the 70s.

Those at the government levels know in politics, you have to negotiate ...from the early dynasties of the court matters to the modern day of fragmented government groups...everyone including China know you have to negotiate. Eventually ASEAN and China will settle down as there is winds blowing from the EU / Turkey front that will rock some boats in the next 2 years and you need to strengthen the core up.

[Scott]

A post with a personal attack has been removed.

It would appear that longer suspensions are needed to correct the situation, but one last chance will be given. Use it wisely.

[Publicus]

China, Russia to hold joint naval exercises in South China Sea

Beijing: China and Russia will hold joint naval exercises in the South China Sea in September, Beijing's defence ministry said Thursday, after an international tribunal invalidated the Asian giant's extensive claims in the area.

The drills will be carried out in the "relevant sea and air of the South China Sea", defence ministry spokesman Yang Yujun told reporters at a monthly briefing.

With international diplomatic tensions mounting and Washington regularly sending warships into the strategically vital area to assert the right to freedom of navigation, the move could see vessels from several of the world's most powerful militaries in the same region at the same time.

http://www.firstpost.com/world/china-russia-to-hold-joint-naval-exercises-in-south-china-sea-2920828.html

CCP are Central Kingdom high-handed and arrogant enough as it is, but they have generally -- and naturally -- shied away from the Putin and his Ukraine kinds of bloody and destructive military aggressions against neighbors. Putin is always telling the Boyz in Beijing to kick arse instead of pussyfooting around with fishing boats and incremental island building. Putin nags CCP to just move in their with large fleets and huge rigs of heavy equipment, chase out any inhabitants and to buzz any planes or ram any ships of other countries that might respond with even a look-see.

But CCP appears now to be listening more to Putin since the PCA Tribunal in The Hague said, in effect, Beijing is a worse practitioner of international law -- the UNCLOS in particular -- than Putin and his Russia are international outlaws already. So Putin now has to keep up and try to catch up.

This is not good. It is mostly provocative to the US and Japan. US SecDef Ashton Carter may well feel compelled to carry out more Freedom of Navigation Navy patrols in response to this and Carter is calling the shots of the USA in the SCS.

This Moscow-Beijing naval expedition is intended to intimidate Asean countries, Vietnam especially, which is almost entirely armed by Russian weaponry (beginning to transition to US weapons systems and platforms). It is to further confirm Beijing has no intention of respecting or honoring the UNCLOS ever for any reason at all. Propped up now by Putin and his navy, CCP are keeping their course to demolish the UNCLOS and Asean itself.

Edited July 28, 2016 by Publicus

[LawrenceChee]

They have just doing annually exercises....calm down...

When you guys were wasting fuel moving all your battleships around like lego sets we allowed you guys to do that.

Why are the communists not allowed to do military exercises together ? Vietnam can join in if they like to and if you keep donating your decommissioned US coast guard cutter crafts, send one each to Laos & Cambodia and they would join in too and give those land legs Laotians some practice at the good navy fun times.

We have a big fuel oversupply right now and it's probably best everyone take turns to waste some....research on the fuel kept in Singapore for the oil companies through tankers holding there and the tanks...the numbers may stagger you why the fuel at the local pump store has not fallen to 5 baht a litre yet.

[Publicus]

They have just doing annually exercises....calm down...

When you guys were wasting fuel moving all your battleships around like lego sets we allowed you guys to do that.

Why are the communists not allowed to do military exercises together ? Vietnam can join in if they like to and if you keep donating your decommissioned US coast guard cutter crafts, send one each to Laos & Cambodia and they would join in too and give those land legs Laotians some practice at the good navy fun times.

We have a big fuel oversupply right now and it's probably best everyone take turns to waste some....research on the fuel kept in Singapore for the oil companies through tankers holding there and the tanks...the numbers may stagger you why the fuel at the local pump store has not fallen to 5 baht a litre yet.

They have just doing annually exercises....calm down...

Bad timing and message to do it at this time and in the SCS besides. Horrendous timing and partners given the SCS disputes and CCP's absolute rejection of the UNCLOS supported by Russia. US after all reduced its two aircraft carrier strike groups in the SCS by one during the first week of July, i.e., ahead of the PCA scheduled release of its ruling in the Philippines case against Beijing.

The post is anyway all over the place and it has only inane statements so it makes no sense.

Know instead that Singapore which you reference has one of the best naval forces in East Asia. It is ranked 4th behind US, CCP, Japan (1,2,3). (It is the estimate btw of the U.S. Naval War College faculty that Japan could hold off the PLA Navy on its own based on the quality of Japan's ships, personnel, commanders, high tech industrial base, history, experience.)

Singapore also has the biggest and best Air Force of Asean member countries. Singapore spends 20% of budget annually on defense, buying almost entirely from USA while never buying from CCP China or Russia.

The Los Angeles-class fast-attack submarine USS City of Corpus Christi (SSN 705) arrived in Singapore July 5 for a visit as a part of its deployment to the Western Pacific. With a crew of approximately 150, City of Corpus Christi showcased the latest capabilities of the USN submarine fleet.

"Singapore's high-spec, high-value procurement strategy is shaped by a need to maintain its economic stature, which is dependent on exports, unimpeded trade and communications routes, and reliable external sources for essential supplies such as water, oil, and foodstuffs," said Paul Burton, director, Asia-Pacific, IHS Aerospace, Defence and Security.

"The protection of sea lanes and offshore territory is consequently a concern, as is internal security, given the continuing perception that it remains a target for transnational terrorist groups due to its many strategic targets and its close ties with the United States," he added.

http://www.cnbc.com/2014/02/07/singapore-the-tiny-state-with-military-clout.html

Japan has donated 21 coastal patrol craft to the Philippines during the past two years. This year for the first time since World War II a Japanese submarine entered Manila Bay and harbor -- on a goodwill visit at the invitation of the Philippine government.

China is isolated except for Russia and Russia is isolated except for China. President and vice-president of the Loser's Club to include Zimbabwe among other outlaw dictatorships.

Edited July 29, 2016 by Publicus

[LawrenceChee]

Strangely the best way to describe China's foreign policy is ...it has its own interests , it is communist and no it is not alone.

Russia is actually not China's best friend at all and in the world stage both of these communist giants actually agree. What China has done in trade deals over the last decade has now allowed them to operate in theatres. While the USA engages in theatres of war, the Chinese engages in theatres of trade.

So when Philippines or in ASEAN is strained right now...they can leave it alone for a year or two let cool head prevail and concentrate on Europe where the Brexit is presenting a lot of options for good deals and acquisitions and also the eastern Europe bloc where there is room for development.

Singapore military has never fought a war and never will..they spent this much money so that they can deter against possible stronger muslim threats in Malaysia / Indonesia ; that was always the military doctrines and training doctrines there and I served in that military and understand it well.... their enemy is not China.

while you opt to concentrate on one subject and heading only.....the reality is politics is very much inter-dispersed with many links ....watch the next space...SCS is over...the next one coming is in Mekong / Micronesia....have a look at what's brewing there.

[Publicus]

Strangely the best way to describe China's foreign policy is ...it has its own interests , it is communist and no it is not alone.

Russia is actually not China's best friend at all and in the world stage both of these communist giants actually agree. What China has done in trade deals over the last decade has now allowed them to operate in theatres. While the USA engages in theatres of war, the Chinese engages in theatres of trade.

So when Philippines or in ASEAN is strained right now...they can leave it alone for a year or two let cool head prevail and concentrate on Europe where the Brexit is presenting a lot of options for good deals and acquisitions and also the eastern Europe bloc where there is room for development.

Singapore military has never fought a war and never will..they spent this much money so that they can deter against possible stronger muslim threats in Malaysia / Indonesia ; that was always the military doctrines and training doctrines there and I served in that military and understand it well.... their enemy is not China.

while you opt to concentrate on one subject and heading only.....the reality is politics is very much inter-dispersed with many links ....watch the next space...SCS is over...the next one coming is in Mekong / Micronesia....have a look at what's brewing there.

CCP need to squirm their way out of this SCS, PCA, UNCLOS, Asean destruction, USN et all and CCP needs to do it tout de suite.

CCP are taking gas on their aggressions throughout the region and their bellicosity and belligerence. It's rooted in their 19th century mindset and agitated emotional state of revanchism and irredentism. All of which comes from the minds of 21st century dictators whose philosophy of government, politics, society, the national culture, remain frozen in the ancient and petrified past.

CCP have lost face yuugely throughout the region and the world. Lost face severely. Youse guyz have got to wish and to work like dogs to try to get out of this, leave it behind, hope everyone in the region and the world forget about it all -- that it all just goes away.

No such ruck. All of this is the classic albatross around the necks of the CCP and it is going to go on hanging there for the indefinite future. Youse guyz put it there all by yourselves, of your own volition and doing. The albatross will remain fixed unless CCP have a radical change of philosophy, outlook, behaviors and their world view.

In other words, when hell freezes over.

Edited July 29, 2016 by Publicus

[LawrenceChee]

The reality is the speed in which the CCP has created trade deals and alliances has shocked and scared the living daylights out of USA and its allies...ASEAN is only one piece of it. Have a look at UK, Europe, Africa, Australia, New Zealand , Canada, Caribbean, Mexico and Asia....the multiple trade deals signed shows the speed they have got things done and some are arguing here about superpowers etc etc

They thought the CCP was a commiee failure only to discover there are scores of country out there that has done deals with the CCP and along with its foreign policy of non interference in political spheres, they have started their own foreign policies that is worrying for the west but for the Chinese...it's another day on the road.

Have a look at Micronesia island groups of about 200,000 people and sea masses of strategic miles ...they have just halted a 2023 renewal decision with the USA and decided to stop the partnership process in 2018, yes a full 5 years before the due date....guess who is going in in droves over the last 3 years...you read this right...they have called for a halt of the renewal process having depended on the USA since WWII and if you read their account of it, they are tired of the USA bullying them like a big brother and having multiple conditions to aid $$$...guess who has been stepping in there and annually increasing real aid ...CCP ;-)

This is the interesting part...USA gives aid $$$ but all of this is tied to various KPIs and political development projects etc which means in other words we will teach you how to govern your country and the CCP's aid $$$ while smaller in amount have all been direct infrastructure projects like roads, water pipes etc ...in other words the practical aid stuff actually needed for making lives of the average joe better and not some fluffy unicorn stuff $$ where eventually hopefully after many years the 4 main island groups will be more like USA democracy and create Trump candidates for voting...

The CCP have been operating in stealth mode over these islands and I love to see the USA 7th fleet and starwars group all head there now for exercises and everyone up ...but when they look at the fuel deployment and associated budget costs...I'm sure the scale will be much much lesser. After all heading back to the fiji is long long way and we know the bunkering costs and produce cost there is ridiculous....

[Publicus]

The reality is the speed in which the CCP has created trade deals and alliances has shocked and scared the living daylights out of USA and its allies...ASEAN is only one piece of it. Have a look at UK, Europe, Africa, Australia, New Zealand , Canada, Caribbean, Mexico and Asia....the multiple trade deals signed shows the speed they have got things done and some are arguing here about superpowers etc etc

They thought the CCP was a commiee failure only to discover there are scores of country out there that has done deals with the CCP and along with its foreign policy of non interference in political spheres, they have started their own foreign policies that is worrying for the west but for the Chinese...it's another day on the road.

Have a look at Micronesia island groups of about 200,000 people and sea masses of strategic miles ...they have just halted a 2023 renewal decision with the USA and decided to stop the partnership process in 2018, yes a full 5 years before the due date....guess who is going in in droves over the last 3 years...you read this right...they have called for a halt of the renewal process having depended on the USA since WWII and if you read their account of it, they are tired of the USA bullying them like a big brother and having multiple conditions to aid $$$...guess who has been stepping in there and annually increasing real aid ...CCP ;-)

This is the interesting part...USA gives aid $$$ but all of this is tied to various KPIs and political development projects etc which means in other words we will teach you how to govern your country and the CCP's aid $$$ while smaller in amount have all been direct infrastructure projects like roads, water pipes etc ...in other words the practical aid stuff actually needed for making lives of the average joe better and not some fluffy unicorn stuff $$ where eventually hopefully after many years the 4 main island groups will be more like USA democracy and create Trump candidates for voting...

The CCP have been operating in stealth mode over these islands and I love to see the USA 7th fleet and starwars group all head there now for exercises and everyone up ...but when they look at the fuel deployment and associated budget costs...I'm sure the scale will be much much lesser. After all heading back to the fiji is long long way and we know the bunkering costs and produce cost there is ridiculous....

Once again, the thread topic is:

Beijing begins military exercise in South China Sea

Trade is related but not materially or directly, yet that is all you post about. You are not competent in military affairs despite any involuntary and brief and passing military service you may have had as a clerk or some such in whatever capacity or rank/grade in whatever armed forces.

Paypal and all the rest of it have nothing to do with the military confrontation occurring in the SCS. Again, economics, trade, commerce, credit cards and electronic payments blah blah trade and corruption blurp blurp with third world dictators may have some distant relationship to the little blue men of the PLA Navy and fisherman militia in the SCS, but none of it is directly related and none of it is material to the thread topic. If you are not competent in the topic of the thread, kindly do not wast time and bandwidth with the one dimensional world of the single party state of the CCP and its Party sanctioned Green Team.

Your posts are far more distracting and diversionary than they are on topic. Perhaps it is conscious, perhaps it is inadvertent, but it is fact and it is true. Kindly stop driveling on about the only thing you know, which is trade and the "governance" of a dictatorship and its authoritarian, arbitrary, summary and unaccountable rule.

CCP China has a huge economy and its dictatorship is ambitious and aggressive in reinforcing itself and in seeking to reproduce itself globally. It is making deals in the region and throughout the world. No doubt of it and it will continue to make trade and other deals as any nation would and should. No reason for the USA or Asean or EU etc to fear this as we in USA are doing well and will continue to do well. We want to work with CCP dictators until their day has passed, as their time will surely pass. However, this SCS and East Sea aggression, belligerence, bellicosity, is driven by the wrongheaded attitudes of revanchism and irredentism carried forward from the Central Kingdom mentality of delusion and fantasy.

The Central Kingdom great again stuff makes as much sense as Donald Trump, and CCP has a swarm of Donald Trumps but we don't hear from them because everything in the CCP world of governance, corruption and mind control is well below the radar domestically to the people of the absurd People's Republic and to the world. One has to have experienced it to know it exists in CCP China...and how many of us have done that. Some of us have done it but very few in literal numbers and terms.

The bottom line is that you cannot keep up with the thread and its topic so you drivel on with only the stuff you know, as I have pointed out and which I continue to note. Quit it.

[arjunadawn]

With the near constant agitation of the truce between the US and North Korea and the increasing tensions between the US and China, a recipe is brewing for a storm. Its pretty clear a miscalculation here would be even more problematic then in previous years. I fear this area is an off the radar disaster in the making.

[Publicus]

^ and ^^, Gordon Chang is indeed an interesting guy. As a regular contributing writer for Forbes, he was vetted thoroughly, and his views are well researched as Pub points out. He's a bit too far out in my view with his long-held imminent collapse of China theories, but his basic premise that the CCP regime's only hold on Chinese people today is continued delivery of prosperity, and that if that disappears (as he portends it will), there could be massive revolt, is indeed frightening if true.

Regarding all the discussion of the Chinese century ending before it began, et al., I am reminded of Mark Twain's famous mis-quoted quip: "rumors of my death are greatly exaggerated."

Mark Twain is in fact dead.

[LawrenceChee]

Does the forum rules states here that only academic research is allowed in postings ? If so, it would be an appalling drop in academic standards if the topic is held so tightly reined like the North Korean News Agency that no other relevant points to the political arena is considered.

Does trade matter in all these ?

Watch the latest Presidential Party coverage and see that both candidates is against TPP including 2 Vice Presidents who changed their stance once they were picked for the running ticket having voted yes to fast track it before, that is American politics that is wishy washy and blows with the wind and lacking of long term foresight...

If congress sinks this TPP deal, it would give China the advantage while Europe is sorting out their Brexit mess to head in and make headwinds again. Those with real business experience in managing government contracts, massive projects would understand this better.

So consider not only the missiles / military stuff which the USA has always used as the spearhead of foreign policy and interaction in a very ineffective manner and consider the practical aspects of governance too.

[Publicus]

Does the forum rules states here that only academic research is allowed in postings ? If so, it would be an appalling drop in academic standards if the topic is held so tightly reined like the North Korean News Agency that no other relevant points to the political arena is considered.

Does trade matter in all these ?

Watch the latest Presidential Party coverage and see that both candidates is against TPP including 2 Vice Presidents who changed their stance once they were picked for the running ticket having voted yes to fast track it before, that is American politics that is wishy washy and blows with the wind and lacking of long term foresight...

If congress sinks this TPP deal, it would give China the advantage while Europe is sorting out their Brexit mess to head in and make headwinds again. Those with real business experience in managing government contracts, massive projects would understand this better.

So consider not only the missiles / military stuff which the USA has always used as the spearhead of foreign policy and interaction in a very ineffective manner and consider the practical aspects of governance too.

You've made it to my Ignore Hall of Shame List Lawrence so have fun in your own impenetrable and off topic world. It is boring to deal constantly with your distractions and diversions, to include your personalisations that are mischaracterisations predicated in severe cultural deficits and intellectual deficiencies.

There is no persuading CCP so the SCS will necessarily be where CCP get their sorely needed lesson, i.e., that this is the 21st century, which means China needs to respect and honor the rule of law, not the rule of a young and nervous dynasty of emperors in business suits with money bulging out of their pockets.

You as in plural fail to recognise the SCS response is the place of choice and that this is the time of our choosing in this matter of the anti-peaceful rising China. CCP Dictators fail to see the schedule of events and the timetable to them.

It's going to be hard lesson indeed.

[LawrenceChee]

Chinese respect the Brits because they have the gentleman code of conduct and willing to admit mistakes when they have done some.

When people keep posting about honoring the law, they should remember the illegal things they have done at the UN and never once accepted responsibility for it....there are just too many to quote in the last 20 years and recent days but I do not want to get with the mods of baiting...

The Chinese is not impregnable and will make mistakes along the way as they run a very unique governance ...it's communist and has capitalist economic responsibilities to continue to grow the country.

They are not Russia or North Korea and hence I believe China deserves some respect for the role they play in the world affairs. If the world want 3 bogey communist countries, then by all means isolate China but China have grown in all spheres trade, military , political because they are not man in suits and certainly not caught in dynasty thinking but in trying to balance the best for the Chinese people and made some hard choices.

In this case in the SCS, they have made an diplomacy error of pushing the Philippines too hard but they will recover from it and one should have the patience to wait in a year or two for the announcements. As for the USA military , they can continue to play their lego sets here...the SCS us big enough for all to sail around it round and round....China has a right to sail here and have their military exercise...it's called the SOUTH CHINA SEA....I know it is a sore thing for the USA they don't have an ocean or sea named after them but then your history is not 5000 years old.

[Publicus]

On 7/30/2016 at 3:12 PM, LawrenceChee said:

Chinese respect the Brits because they have the gentleman code of conduct and willing to admit mistakes when they have done some.

When people keep posting about honoring the law, they should remember the illegal things they have done at the UN and never once accepted responsibility for it....there are just too many to quote in the last 20 years and recent days but I do not want to get with the mods of baiting...

The Chinese is not impregnable and will make mistakes along the way as they run a very unique governance ...it's communist and has capitalist economic responsibilities to continue to grow the country.

They are not Russia or North Korea and hence I believe China deserves some respect for the role they play in the world affairs. If the world want 3 bogey communist countries, then by all means isolate China but China have grown in all spheres trade, military , political because they are not man in suits and certainly not caught in dynasty thinking but in trying to balance the best for the Chinese people and made some hard choices.

In this case in the SCS, they have made an diplomacy error of pushing the Philippines too hard but they will recover from it and one should have the patience to wait in a year or two for the announcements. As for the USA military , they can continue to play their lego sets here...the SCS us big enough for all to sail around it round and round....China has a right to sail here and have their military exercise...it's called the SOUTH CHINA SEA....I know it is a sore thing for the USA they don't have an ocean or sea named after them but then your history is not 5000 years old.

Chinese respect the Brits because they have the gentleman code of conduct

CCPs very recently speak highly of the Brits (who had single handedly revealed to the Qing dynasty from 1840 into the 20th century that China had petrified and calcified -- putrefied). CCPs are high-fiving cause Xi got an audience with the Queen so now the Central Kingdom Is Great Again. Fact is the Brits are doing two things: telling you to get out of the SCS and to abide by international law, and they are getting invested in CCP corporations moving in to Britain that will operate by British rules imposed by power players of the City. The Brits aren't slippery y'know, they just walk right in and take over so keep your heads up over there and don't make any deals with anyone named Hamlet or Claudius even if they are showing both hands.

Speaking of Code of Conduct, CCP have shredded the Code of Conduct on the South China Sea that it signed in 2002 with Asean at the long time insistence of Asean. Only now after the PCA ruling are CCP making noises about returning to negotiations, for the Declaration of the Conduct of the Parties on the South China Sea which CCP also trashed in 2012 in Cambodia while Hun Sen held CCP's coat.

 

The Chinese run a very unique governance ...it's communist and has capitalist economic responsibilities 

The government is a dictatorship run by an autocracy and oligopoly in the name of Marx-Mao-Deng. Xi thinks he is greater than all three combined. The political economy of China is that of a one party state corporate monopoly with the subtext of capitalism. State owned banks, for instance and which are 99% of the banks, lend to state corporations only. Private businesses have to borrow from the shadow banking system -- all private enterprises. (Did I mention btw the rmb/yuan is Parker Brothers money.) Private investment is down by 60% last quarter and CCPs are fanning out all over the PRC to try to cauterize the bleeding...but they in fact need a tourniquet. 

 

they are not man in suits and certainly not caught in dynasty thinking but in trying to balance the best for the Chinese people and made some hard choices.

When Deng Xiaoping said rich is good but that "some must get rich first" that's when the Party fell in love with Deng and his economic paradigm inverted  by Chinese characteristics. The crumbs to the masses are however getting smaller and fewer while the Party elites flee to foreign countries with their families and trunks full of dollars.

 

In this case in the SCS, they have made an diplomacy error of pushing the Philippines too hard

So then that's it, izzit? No, that is not it and that is not all there is to it. 

CCP are working like hell to dismantle the UNCLOS and CCP have now neutered Asean in Beijing's SCS aggressions. Asean now must divide individually between UNCLOS and USA with allies and partners or with CCP and Moscow against everyone and everything that is not Chinese or not Russian. CCP has lost face immeasurably and irrecoverably so CCP wants to get out of the present hole it's in to try to move on. Fact is the SCS difficulties have only begun. Indeed, there is only one reason CCP have not moved into Scarborough Shoal 130 miles off Manila and have not declared an Air-Sea Defense Identification Zone in the South China Sea -- the United States Navy Pacific 7th Fleet and the US Air Forces Pacific. CCP would otherwise have committed these further crimes already. 

[Publicus]

CCP are taking all this in stride -- NOT.

Today is an anniversary day of the PLA so Oz is rather taking this PLA editorial piece as the tantrum that it is. However, CCP had already said earlier this year Oz risks getting its P-3 Orion recon plane that does SCS regular missions from Malaysia suddenly making a "drop out of the sky."

A PROMINENT state-run Chinese newspaper has launched a scathing attack on Australia and threatened to take military action over the South China Sea dispute.

August 1, 2016

The Global Times editorial piece, entitled ‘‘Paper cat’ Australia will learn its lesson’, follows the Federal Government’s decision to support an international tribunal over the South China Sea.

The piece goes on to make a direct threat to the nation, warning that if Australia physically involves itself in the South China Sea waters, our country will “be an ideal target for China to warn and strike”. The media outlet said “China must take revenge and let it (Australia) know it’s wrong”.

Just last week, China pronounced itself “very unsatisfied” with the actions of countries like Australia, warning of “serious measures” if global powers continue to oppose its development in the South China Sea. The hostile piece concludes by saying “Australia is not even a ‘paper tiger’, it’s only a ‘paper cat’ at best”.

http://www.news.com.au/world/asia/a-prominent-chinese-media-outlet-has-launched-a-scathing-attack-on-australia/news-story/e598957ee9b972aa809b3f59827c3fd3

 

Sooo, that's quite the lecture and scolding by the PLA shouted out at but one small errant country that will not obey the Beijing Masters of the Universe. After all, who does Australia think they are 

CCP are really beside themselves that the big fish - small fish syndrome the Chinese suffer from isn't having any impact or influence on Australia (or New Zealand). Seems the big fish up there in Beijing can't manage to open their mouth large enough to swallow up all of Australia, or even a part of it.

Only thing Beijing has in its mouth these dayze is its foot. There's no face when it looks in the mirror either.

[LawrenceChee]

These publications  are the equivalent of Fox News in USA. No one pays a lot of attention these channels as they are mouthpieces and make their money from being provocative. Not different from the Page 3 girls on Sun in the UK.

Those who seek a balanced viewpoints don't buy this publication or take too much notice...I would encourage others in the forum to ignore it. I personally read WSJ, ST, SCMP, FT and NYT on a daily basis. hahahah when I am bored, I head to the forum a times and read some entertaining posts...makes the day more interesting at the airport while I wait out the next flight and typhoon. 

[Publicus]

On 7/30/2016 at 3:12 PM, LawrenceChee said:

 

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...China has a right to sail here and have their military exercise...it's called the SOUTH CHINA SEA....I know it is a sore thing for the USA they don't have an ocean or sea named after them but then your history is not 5000 years old.

Inane and assinine [sic] post.

So then the Gulf of Mexico belongs to Mexico and all Mexico has to do is say so. But then I suppose US could build islands there and call it the Gulf of the United States. USA people feel so deprived to not have a gulf or sea namesake body of water. So we rather settle for terms such as 'international waters' or simultaneously the 'high seas' and 'freedom of navigation' and the like.

If the brain dead thinking applied globally, then the Bering family must necessarily own the Bering Sea, Capt Cook's descendants must own the Cook Strait, the English Channel belongs entirely to England and the Don River must belong to some guy named Don.

(I decided to take you out of my Ignore House of Shame cause you're too much fun Lawrence, even when you try deflection, distraction or have to fall back on just plain silliness.)

[LawrenceChee]

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Not sure what houses you are talking about...there is only 2 that I know off...the racist republican house represented by Trump now and the lack of integrity and common sense democrat house represented by Hillary ....either or ...both will not get you a USA Sea or USA Ocean ...kinda of sore right ?

You are too much fun too because most of the points talk about the grandeur of war....we all know the senate is purred and powered by donations from the arms manufacturers....so thanks for reminding us they can be bought...all legally of course through donations, executive perks etc...how fun and how capitalistic 

[Publicus]

1 hour ago, Publicus said:

CCP are taking all this in stride -- NOT.

Today is an anniversary day of the PLA so Oz is rather taking this PLA editorial piece as the tantrum that it is. However, CCP had already said earlier this year Oz risks getting its P-3 Orion recon plane that does SCS regular missions from Malaysia suddenly making a "drop out of the sky."

A PROMINENT state-run Chinese newspaper has launched a scathing attack on Australia and threatened to take military action over the South China Sea dispute.

August 1, 2016

The Global Times editorial piece, entitled ‘‘Paper cat’ Australia will learn its lesson’, follows the Federal Government’s decision to support an international tribunal over the South China Sea.

The piece goes on to make a direct threat to the nation, warning that if Australia physically involves itself in the South China Sea waters, our country will “be an ideal target for China to warn and strike”. The media outlet said “China must take revenge and let it (Australia) know it’s wrong”.

Just last week, China pronounced itself “very unsatisfied” with the actions of countries like Australia, warning of “serious measures” if global powers continue to oppose its development in the South China Sea. The hostile piece concludes by saying “Australia is not even a ‘paper tiger’, it’s only a ‘paper cat’ at best”.

http://www.news.com.au/world/asia/a-prominent-chinese-media-outlet-has-launched-a-scathing-attack-on-australia/news-story/e598957ee9b972aa809b3f59827c3fd3

 

Sooo, that's quite the lecture and scolding by the PLA shouted out at but one small errant country that will not obey the Beijing Masters of the Universe. After all, who does Australia think they are 

CCP are really beside themselves that the big fish - small fish syndrome the Chinese suffer from isn't having any impact or influence on Australia (or New Zealand). Seems the big fish up there in Beijing can't manage to open their mouth large enough to swallow up all of Australia, or even a part of it.

Only thing Beijing has in its mouth these dayze is its foot. There's no face when it looks in the mirror either.

....kindly see the post below....

 

1 hour ago, LawrenceChee said:

These publications  are the equivalent of Fox News in USA. No one pays a lot of attention these channels as they are mouthpieces and make their money from being provocative. Not different from the Page 3 girls on Sun in the UK.

Those who seek a balanced viewpoints don't buy this publication or take too much notice...I would encourage others in the forum to ignore it. I personally read WSJ, ST, SCMP, FT and NYT on a daily basis. hahahah when I am bored, I head to the forum a times and read some entertaining posts...makes the day more interesting at the airport while I wait out the next flight and typhoon. 

 

These publications  are the equivalent of Fox News in USA.

No they are not.

Global Times is owned by the CCParty and its daily operations are run by the PLA. Fox is privately owned and speaks for itself and an equally nutcake slice of the US overall population. Global Times speaks for the belligerent armed forces of the People's Republic of China.

Xi Jinping's father was a PLA general who got sent down during the Cultural Revolution but Xi has ridden on the back of the PLA for his career through the Party ranks to CCP chairman. Xi owes a lot to the PLA and the PLA supports Xi in his fights with his opponents in the Party. Xi had to bust two PLA generals to prison who were not loyal and Xi was able to do it because he had the absolute support of the many PLA generals who are loyal to Xi and to Xi's wife, who for decades has been singing to entertain the troops to include on artificial islands in the SCS.

Global Times is not Fox News...nothing like it. The post is specious. PLA (and its Navy and Air Force) means business in the SCS and it has big plans for it yet to come. PLA, Global Times; Xi Jinping.

[boomerangutang]

      I saw an article on NPR.org about the abysmal conditions of Fil' prisons. One example: a prison built to house 800 inmates had 3,800.  The numbers will rise dramatically, now that the Fils have a Trump-like ignoramous like Dutarte in the drivers seat.  To try and rest, inmates are packed like sardines on every sq. cm of space.  Some have to stand at night, waiting for someone to wake and stand, in order to find a place on the cold floor to squeeze into.   Even the stairwells are packed.  There's one crappy bathroom for each 65 inmates and even the bathroom floors are packed with reclining inmates.  The article hit home about how poor the Philippines is and how poor their planning/priorities are.  

      China is richer, per capita, but is poor in other ways.  The old and unelected Chinese men ruling from Beijing make poor decisions. When not counting their money, most of their calories go toward trying to shore up their iron-grip power structure , which relies heavily on brainwashing the Chinese sheeple.  Only one or two generations from the profound ignorance of the Cultural Revolution, reverberations of which are still being felt in China today.  The parents and grandparents of today's Chinese kids were thoroughly brainwashed, similar to how their kids and grandkids are today brainwashed re; the SCS problem.

      Do you remember the economic implosion that Thailand and Korea (and some others Asian countries) experienced in 1997?  Well, the same sorts of dynamics are building up in China as we speak:  Massive borrowing, giant empty buildings (many half finished and abandoned), etc.  Add to that, tens of millions of Chinese going to cities and trying to survive by being packed in underground rooms ('ant people').  It's a recipe for domestic disaster.  I commend the old ruling men in Beijing for averting the impending implosion but, like a pressure cooker, the longer it's put off, the bigger the implosion will be.  It will affect the SCS problem which China created and sustains.