webfact Posted July 10, 2016 Share Posted July 10, 2016 No significant crack found on new train carriages, confirms SRTBANGKOK, 11 July 2016 (NNT) – Inspection found no signs of cracks on the new train carriages recently transported from China, while any carriages failing quality inspection will be rejected for transfer, says the SRT chief.The State Railway of Thailand (SRT) Governor Wuthichart Kalyanamitra has refuted rumors that cracks were present on the bodies of newly procured 39 train carriages from a manufacturer in China, that no cracks were found during inspection.Only minor scratches were found on the carriages' bodies during inspection, believed to be caused during transportation of the carriages to Thailand, along with a minor crack on the cover of an emergency window breaker. The private company in charge of procurement has affirmed responsibility of correcting these flaws.The SRT is however yet to formally accept all 39 carriages as they are pending the installation of internal components such as air conditioning units and the formation of carriages into trains from the contractors. The SRT will assess the quality of the train sets before formally accepting the carriages. Defects will be rejected by the SRT.Accepted carriages will then have to pass 20-30 kilometers short-distance test runs, and 500-800 kilometers long distance test runs to ensure the quality and standard of the carriages prior to allocating them to service the public. The SRT governor assures that the public can rest assured of the service quality that the SRT provides.-- NNT 2016-07-11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reigntax Posted July 10, 2016 Share Posted July 10, 2016 You would hope there were no cracks as they have yet to be used. Just wait a month or so when the nuts and bolts start falling off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rheinwiese Posted July 10, 2016 Share Posted July 10, 2016 (edited) Hmm, seems there is more to the story Singapore: Defective MRT trains sent back to China manufacturer http://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/transport/hairline-cracks-in-26-mrt-trains-made-in-china Edited July 10, 2016 by rheinwiese Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatOngo Posted July 10, 2016 Share Posted July 10, 2016 Well.....that will reassure passengers.....coming from such a trusted authority!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkidlad Posted July 10, 2016 Share Posted July 10, 2016 If they're anything like them yellow buses, I have no hope. Those yellow buses really are pieces of s***. Tiny seats, dwarf height ceilings, air con always leaking, seats broken etc. Just to think - some 'hiso' would have made a fortune from purchasing them. He's probably driving a Merc or being wyed as I type. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oxx Posted July 10, 2016 Share Posted July 10, 2016 "No significant crack" - sounds like a repeat of the Suvarnabhumi runway fiasco. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinneil Posted July 10, 2016 Share Posted July 10, 2016 No significant cracks Small cracks quickly become significant cracks through useage. New carriages should not have any cracks, if they have been manufactured to a proper standard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bunnychow Posted July 10, 2016 Share Posted July 10, 2016 No significant cracks Small cracks quickly become significant cracks through useage. New carriages should not have any cracks, if they have been manufactured to a proper standard. No significant cracks is an internationally and technically correct technical term Not all small cracks become significant cracks through usage Dependent of the specification used - certain discontinutes are permitted in components If the plebs knew of the number of non significant "cracks" in the worlds aircraft fleets, they would be too scared to fly.. I know your an all knowing farang TV member with "expert" levels of knowlege of every subject under the sun But on this ocassion, your statements of fact are in fact factually wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
z42 Posted July 10, 2016 Share Posted July 10, 2016 I would ask why buy chinese crap, but I already know full well why Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaiChai Posted July 10, 2016 Share Posted July 10, 2016 Does SRT mean Seriously Rundown Trains? Thai trains are generally that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilsonandson Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 Check the trains aren't made of lead! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
worgeordie Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 (edited) Will they be saying the same with the Tanks and Submarines, they are going to import from China, No significant cracks found ! A roll of Duct Tape will be supplied with every Sub and Tank.FREE. regards Worgeordie Edited July 11, 2016 by worgeordie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xineohp Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 "...to ensure the quality and standard of the carriages prior to allocating them to service the public". Why is the very same procedure not followed with existing rolling stock prior to running on a service. Most long distance trains are incredibly filthy both inside and out. One can only guess at the mechanical state of things the eyes cannot see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overherebc Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 No significant cracks Small cracks quickly become significant cracks through useage. New carriages should not have any cracks, if they have been manufactured to a proper standard. No significant cracks is an internationally and technically correct technical term Not all small cracks become significant cracks through usage Dependent of the specification used - certain discontinutes are permitted in components If the plebs knew of the number of non significant "cracks" in the worlds aircraft fleets, they would be too scared to fly.. I know your an all knowing farang TV member with "expert" levels of knowlege of every subject under the sun But on this ocassion, your statements of fact are in fact factually wrong Very unusual to have anything welded together and not have a defect somewhere. A lot of the time insignificant cracks/defects are better left alone to be monitored on a regular basis. In some cases I've seen things that should have been left alone become much worse. on occasion causing the parts to be scrapped, due to urgent requirements by 'make it perfect experts' with no background knowledge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomyummer Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 It will take time to repair any of the cracked carriages which is fine by the Chinese. With the secured contract, the manufacturer is given extra time to correct any defects. By going with the cheaper bids you end up wasting time and energy. The Thais should get the Singaporeans to come over and inspect the carriages for them since they had their own issues before with MRT carriage production. Chinese manufacturing and Thai inspections. Perfect world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rosst Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 Hmm, seems there is more to the story Singapore: Defective MRT trains sent back to China manufacturer http://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/transport/hairline-cracks-in-26-mrt-trains-made-in-china The article on Singapore train rectification is very well researched and written. The purchase by Singapore was properly documented with appropriate warranties and maintenance oversights. China Southern Rail are an excellent manufacturer and it is to be hoped Thailand will have similar service to ensure safety of rail services. The existing Daewoo carriages are excellent and it is a shame they were not maintained at all let alone properly. The local fitment of air conditioning is a worry as all the controls will be an on/off switch for boiling or freezing which is the Thai rail standard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robm579 Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 (edited) No significant deaths soon too ... due to failures Edited July 11, 2016 by Robm579 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waldroj Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 Hmm, seems there is more to the story Singapore: Defective MRT trains sent back to China manufacturer http://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/transport/hairline-cracks-in-26-mrt-trains-made-in-china Seems HK also has a problem with their Chinese-supplied carraiges http://news.rthk.hk/rthk/en/component/k2/1271495-20160708.htm So lucky the problem did not occur in the Thai carriages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl64 Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 Check the trains aren't made of lead! Of course they are not made of lead..... They are made of Asbestos! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chainarong Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 (edited) On an off topic , I read and interesting piece on China's High Speed rail , the title was " What ever you do don't mention h/S trains" . the system is 600 billion in debt only one runs at a profit Beijing to Shanghi, some wont ever recoup costs , the price for laying 1 kilometer of track at Chinese prices is between 17 and 23 Million USD the sweet zone time for H/S profit is 2 to 3 hours, anything over runs at a loss, there was much more, including cancelled international contracts, Interesting hey....................................... Edited July 11, 2016 by chainarong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metisdead Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 Offensive posts have been removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oxx Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 On an off topic , I read and interesting piece on China's High Speed rail , the title was " What ever you do don't mention h/S trains" . the system is 600 billion in debt only one runs at a profit Beijing to Shanghi, some wont ever recoup costs , the price for laying 1 kilometer of track at Chinese prices is between 17 and 23 Million USD the sweet zone time for H/S profit is 2 to 3 hours, anything over runs at a loss, there was much more, including cancelled international contracts, Interesting hey....................................... Interesting? Not really. Railways in Japan, home of the bullet train, are also massively in debt. However, the economic benefits of having fast transport are more than ¥500 billion/year at current exchange rates. That's roughly US$5 billion/year. Figures are from 2009, so are probably higher now. Source: http://www.jrtr.net/jrtr03/f09_oka.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bunnychow Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 No significant cracks Small cracks quickly become significant cracks through useage. New carriages should not have any cracks, if they have been manufactured to a proper standard. No significant cracks is an internationally and technically correct technical term Not all small cracks become significant cracks through usage Dependent of the specification used - certain discontinutes are permitted in components If the plebs knew of the number of non significant "cracks" in the worlds aircraft fleets, they would be too scared to fly.. I know your an all knowing farang TV member with "expert" levels of knowlege of every subject under the sun But on this ocassion, your statements of fact are in fact factually wrong Very unusual to have anything welded together and not have a defect somewhere. A lot of the time insignificant cracks/defects are better left alone to be monitored on a regular basis. In some cases I've seen things that should have been left alone become much worse. on occasion causing the parts to be scrapped, due to urgent requirements by 'make it perfect experts' with no background knowledge. I think a lot of people may not understand the technical terminology properly..ie technically speaking a "defect" which is acceptable should in fact be called a "discontinuity" and a "discontinuity" which is rejected per the technical specification/engineering study is called a "defect" I thinkk even those of us who are in engineering use the term "defect" in the wrong context sometimes and we are not being technically correct.. The same with the term "crack" not all "cracks" are created equal.... is it a ? Star crack crater crack hot crack cold crack fatigue crack creep crack SCC etc etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunzel3808 Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 Chinese railway locomotive and rolling stock manufacturers are generally OK and have been doing it a long time, however, they have a couple of problem areas - namely welding & use of asbestos. They will often do the bare number of welds, though this is often the fault of particular workers with poor supervision so they get away with it and the Chinese love to use asbestos and see nothing wrong with it & can't understand why it is not acceptable in today's railway engineering or anywhere in any manufactured products. So beware. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overherebc Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 No significant cracks Small cracks quickly become significant cracks through useage. New carriages should not have any cracks, if they have been manufactured to a proper standard. No significant cracks is an internationally and technically correct technical term Not all small cracks become significant cracks through usage Dependent of the specification used - certain discontinutes are permitted in components If the plebs knew of the number of non significant "cracks" in the worlds aircraft fleets, they would be too scared to fly.. I know your an all knowing farang TV member with "expert" levels of knowlege of every subject under the sun But on this ocassion, your statements of fact are in fact factually wrong Very unusual to have anything welded together and not have a defect somewhere. A lot of the time insignificant cracks/defects are better left alone to be monitored on a regular basis. In some cases I've seen things that should have been left alone become much worse. on occasion causing the parts to be scrapped, due to urgent requirements by 'make it perfect experts' with no background knowledge. I think a lot of people may not understand the technical terminology properly..ie technically speaking a "defect" which is acceptable should in fact be called a "discontinuity" and a "discontinuity" which is rejected per the technical specification/engineering study is called a "defect" I thinkk even those of us who are in engineering use the term "defect" in the wrong context sometimes and we are not being technically correct.. The same with the term "crack" not all "cracks" are created equal.... is it a ? Star crack crater crack hot crack cold crack fatigue crack creep crack SCC etc etc True as you say. At college it was explained that a weld, any weld, can be described as a continuous defect running through a steel plate. It's generally weaker, stronger more brittle or less brittle than the original steel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrTuner Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 Not significant = nobody has uploaded youtube video of the gaping canyons yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poohy Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 In this case i would be worried about them submarines Mr P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winniedapu Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 No significant cracks Small cracks quickly become significant cracks through useage. New carriages should not have any cracks, if they have been manufactured to a proper standard. No significant cracks is an internationally and technically correct technical term Not all small cracks become significant cracks through usage Dependent of the specification used - certain discontinutes are permitted in components If the plebs knew of the number of non significant "cracks" in the worlds aircraft fleets, they would be too scared to fly.. I know your an all knowing farang TV member with "expert" levels of knowlege of every subject under the sun But on this ocassion, your statements of fact are in fact factually wrong Oh dear. Someone thinks they haven't been given the credit they were due for something. So naturally. they slag off all TV members. Obviously. Winnie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elgordo38 Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 "No significant crack" - sounds like a repeat of the Suvarnabhumi runway fiasco.Yes that word significant can be a real zinger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bunnychow Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 No significant cracks Small cracks quickly become significant cracks through useage. New carriages should not have any cracks, if they have been manufactured to a proper standard. No significant cracks is an internationally and technically correct technical term Not all small cracks become significant cracks through usage Dependent of the specification used - certain discontinutes are permitted in components If the plebs knew of the number of non significant "cracks" in the worlds aircraft fleets, they would be too scared to fly.. I know your an all knowing farang TV member with "expert" levels of knowlege of every subject under the sun But on this ocassion, your statements of fact are in fact factually wrong Oh dear. Someone thinks they haven't been given the credit they were due for something. So naturally. they slag off all TV members. Obviously. Winnie Yes of course when someone is talking through their a*se Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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