webfact Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 Plagiarism charges mar Melania Trump's momentBy ERICA WERNER and JILL COLVINCLEVELAND (AP) — This was to have been Melania Trump's moment, her first real introduction to American voters who'd seen her by her husband's side for months but had barely heard her speak.But within moments of Mrs. Trump's triumphant appearance on the Republican National Convention stage, accusations of plagiarism surfaced, eclipsing her achievement in the latest stumble by the Trump campaign.Trump's advisers defiantly denied the charge Tuesday, though the word-for-word overlap was obvious between Mrs. Trump's remarks the night before and two passages in Michelle Obama's 2008 speech to the Democratic convention in Denver. How that had come about remained unclear.Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort called the criticism "just absurd" and said the issue had been "totally blown out of proportion.""There were a few words on it, but they're not words that were unique words," he told The Associated Press. "Ninety-nine percent of that speech talked about her being an immigrant and love of country and love of family and everything else."Manafort also tried to blame Hillary Clinton, saying on CNN, "This is, once again, an example of when a woman threatens Hillary Clinton, how she seeks out to demean her and take her down."The passages in question came near the beginning of Mrs. Trump's nearly 15-minute speech.In one example, Mrs. Trump said: "From a young age, my parents impressed on me the values that you work hard for what you want in life, that your word is your bond and you do what you say and keep your promise, that you treat people with respect."Eight years ago, Mrs. Obama said: "And Barack and I were raised with so many of the same values: like, you work hard for what you want in life, that your word is your bond, that you do what you say you're going to do, that you treat people with dignity and respect."There were similar overlaps in a passage dealing with conveying to children that there is no limit to what they can achieve. Mrs. Trump's address was otherwise distinct from the speech that Mrs. Obama gave when her husband was being nominated for president.The White House declined to wade into the controversy Tuesday.Nobody from the campaign is expected to be fired over the incident, according to a person familiar with campaign deliberations who demanded anonymity to discuss internal matters.Trump's son, Donald Jr., faulted outside speechwriters: "Those are the people that did this, not Paul (Manafort)," he said in an interview with CBS News and other reporters.Yet for Mrs. Trump, 46, a Slovenian-born former model who is Donald Trump's third wife and 24 years his junior, the controversy marred a moment in the spotlight that had been months in the making. It required her to overcome her wariness about public speaking and the traditional role of the politician's wife, as well as her heavily accented English, to present herself to the public as her husband's partner, a poised mother and wife passionate about issues impacting women and children.Trump's oldest daughter, Ivanka, has taken up much of the role of the typical political spouse. She was the one who introduced her father at his official campaign announcement and appears often by his side. Melania has sat for a handful of interviews, in which she's described herself as a private person, focused on raising the couple's 10-year-old son, Barron.But on Monday she delivered her speech with deliberation and poise, and it was rapturously received by convention delegates. Listeners compared her to Jackie Kennedy and said she'd won hearts from the GOP crowd.Many delegates were eager to defend her, convinced that whatever had happened, Mrs. Trump herself was not to blame. And they were sympathetic that her moment in the sun had turned into the latest black eye for her husband's rocky campaign.Nebraska delegate J.L. Spray, a member of the Republican National Committee, said the part of the speech that matched Mrs. Obama's "was such non-substantive stuff. The media and the Democrats needed something to focus on, so they came up with this. If you say 'God bless America' at the end of your speech, are you plagiarizing Ronald Reagan?"___Associated Press writers Stephen Ohlemacher in Cleveland and Grant Schulte in Lincoln, Nebraska, contributed to this report.-- (c) Associated Press 2016-07-20 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pitrevie Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 Why didn't she just quote something from the Bible all she had to do was ask her husband after all he is such an expert on the Bible. "nobody reads bible more than me" Trump. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boon Mee Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 (edited) She was rickrolled: http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/53488.html The Mole will be outed. The Donald don't take prisioners... Edited July 20, 2016 by Boon Mee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NongKhaiKid Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 (edited) Why didn't she just quote something from the Bible all she had to do was ask her husband after all he is such an expert on the Bible. "nobody reads bible more than me" Trump. I believe he's having the Donald J Trump authorised version printed which includes such aphorisms as ' let ME be the first to cast a stone '. His wife didn't plagiarise anything, she just read what was put in front of her and it's the so called script writers at fault, well probably not if they work for Donald. Edited July 20, 2016 by NongKhaiKid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keemapoot Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 I've known quite a few eastern European slavic "fashion models." Plagiarism is probably the least offensive thing she did to get where she is today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boon Mee Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 I've known quite a few eastern European slavic "fashion models." Plagiarism is probably the least offensive thing she did to get where she is today. Where you meet them? Pattaya? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilostmypassword Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 Tempest in a tea cup. We're not exposed to the ghost written "Dreams of My Father" by B. Hussien Obama scandal now are we? Oh, you mean the one where some right wingers said it was actually written by Bill Ayers and offered some alleged stylistic similarities between Obama's and Ayer's style of writing. A linguist who specializes in this sort of thing has the definitive rebuttal of that absurd allegation: http://www.philocomp.net/humanities/dreams.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buzzz Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 I've known quite a few eastern European slavic "fashion models." Plagiarism is probably the least offensive thing she did to get where she is today. It will soon come to light she fast tracked her citizenship and lied in the application. Deport her! She probably is a Muslim too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MZurf Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 Good to know that Mrs Trump share the values of the First Lady. There's still hope, I guess.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PTC Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 "With all the media attention, you'd think Melania violated national security, had a federal probe and was criticized by the head of the FBI." Mike Pence. Who is Mike Pence? If you are going to quote people, you should give us some indication about who they are and source their quote. Eh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAS21 Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 He is the Indiana Governor and I think Trumps running mate .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NongKhaiKid Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 The wife looked like a Barbie doll whose string had just been pulled so she spoke. Did she actually understand all she was saying, just rehearsed. Not her fault. First Lady of the US, or at least until Pres. Trump replaces her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boon Mee Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 "With all the media attention, you'd think Melania violated national security, had a federal probe and was criticized by the head of the FBI." Mike Pence. Who is Mike Pence? If you are going to quote people, you should give us some indication about who they are and source their quote. Eh. The next Vice President of the United States of America... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
halloween Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 Good to know that Mrs Trump share the values of the First Lady. There's still hope, I guess.... Apparently those values didn't apply when she accepted her husband's proposal. "....that your word is your bond and you do what you say and keep your promise, that you treat people with respect." That's Trump? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boon Mee Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 Michelle Obama Copied Alinsky in Speech Melania Trump Allegedly PlagiarizedMichelle Obama: “…the world as it should be.” In 2008, the aspiring First Lady was accused by bloggers of lifting lines for her DNC speech from Saul Alinsky. Alinsky wrote, in Rules for Radicals (emphasis added): “The standards of judgment must be rooted in the whys and wherefores of life as it is lived, the world as it is, not our wished-for fantasy of the world as it should be.” Michelle Obama said: http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/convention2008/michelleobama2008dnc.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PTC Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 Michelle Obama Copied Alinsky in Speech Melania Trump Allegedly Plagiarized Michelle Obama: “…the world as it should be.” In 2008, the aspiring First Lady was accused by bloggers of lifting lines for her DNC speech from Saul Alinsky. Alinsky wrote, in Rules for Radicals (emphasis added): “The standards of judgment must be rooted in the whys and wherefores of life as it is lived, the world as it is, not our wished-for fantasy of the world as it should be.” Michelle Obama said: http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/convention2008/michelleobama2008dnc.htm Don't Piss on My Leg and Tell Me it's Raining. Read the Book https://www.amazon.com/Dont-Pee-Leg-Tell-Raining/dp/0060927941 Jarrett Hill just said this on CNN. He is the guy who recognized Crooked Melania's plagiarism The Trumpeteers have been pissing on all our legs for months. Now the gig is up, eh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andaman Al Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 At the end of the day if you were an undergrad and used that much plagiarism you would be expelled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NumbNut Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 (edited) I've heard her next speech is tentatively titled 'I Have A Dream' Edited July 20, 2016 by NumbNut Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buzzz Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 I've heard her next speech is tentatively called 'I Have A Dream' I saw a copy of Trumps son next speech. Starts like this- "Fourscore and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent a new nation... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buzzz Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 (edited) Trump has had his share of first class tail. Edited July 20, 2016 by Buzzz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keemapoot Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 ^Total class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keemapoot Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 Late night comedians are having an absolute ball with this. Best one by Seth Meyers: The best, the very best, the most fantastic and terrific and gold-plated and possibly even huge Melania line of the night came later, and it was worth waiting for. Said Meyers on NBC’s “Late Night”: “Melania did it: She found something less original than being a model married to an old billionaire.” http://www.chicagotribune.com/entertainment/tv/ct-late-night-comedy-rnc-20160719-column.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freebyrd Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 He is the Indiana Governor and I think Trumps running mate .... That's just the point, who is he?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PTC Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 "With all the media attention, you'd think Melania violated national security, had a federal probe and was criticized by the head of the FBI." Mike Pence. Who is Mike Pence? If you are going to quote people, you should give us some indication about who they are and source their quote. Eh. The next Vice President of the United States of America... Really. I watched the announcement and I can't recall Trump actually saying his name. Maybe I missed it in the middle of all the other brain farts and his discussion about mosquitoes and his tiny hands. Mike Pence you say. Would this be the Indiana Pences by any chance? You know the weirdo who passed a law to allow religious bigotry and the chickened out when most of the rest of the US threatened to boycott his benighted State? http://www.huffingtonpost.com/news/mike-pence-anti-gay-law/ What a catch he must be. I guess Christie was too much of a heavy weight for the vacuous Trump. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPCVguy Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 Late night comedians are having an absolute ball with this. Best one by Seth Meyers: The best, the very best, the most fantastic and terrific and gold-plated and possibly even huge Melania line of the night came later, and it was worth waiting for. Said Meyers on NBC’s “Late Night”: “Melania did it: She found something less original than being a model married to an old billionaire.” http://www.chicagotribune.com/entertainment/tv/ct-late-night-comedy-rnc-20160719-column.html Here's how to have fun with it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWMcMurray Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 Am I the only one that finds this a bit ridiculous? The words that were 'stolen' are all some of the biggest cliches that have heard a million times and probably said to my own kids a few times already.. It's not as if we are talking about anyone's unique research or findings.. -----quote---- In one example, Mrs. Trump said: "From a young age, my parents impressed on me the values that you work hard for what you want in life, that your word is your bond and you do what you say and keep your promise, that you treat people with respect." Eight years ago, Mrs. Obama said: "And Barack and I were raised with so many of the same values: like, you work hard for what you want in life, that your word is your bond, that you do what you say you're going to do, that you treat people with dignity and respect." -------- I'm a bit turned off on the election now and junk like this doesn't help Many saying should just accept Hillary, but with this silliness... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smotherb Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 Why didn't she just quote something from the Bible all she had to do was ask her husband after all he is such an expert on the Bible. "nobody reads bible more than me" Trump. I believe he's having the Donald J Trump authorised version printed which includes such aphorisms as ' let ME be the first to cast a stone '. His wife didn't plagiarise anything, she just read what was put in front of her and it's the so called script writers at fault, well probably not if they work for Donald. Well then, I guess you all just don't read, unless Melania is a liar. Just google, "Melania claims she wrote speech." You'll get thousands of hits; although she does claim, "with as little help as possible." Perhaps that means as much help as possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 Posts with oversized graphics and inflammatory and off-topic posts have been removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NumbNut Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 Trump has had his share of first class tail. image.jpeg Woooo-EH! It's warm in here. Jeez I'd look good hanging out of that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tuktuktuk Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 I must admit, I'm not impressed with Melania, but if somebody hopes this will get me to vote for Hillary they will be disappointed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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