So you're too fat for a Business Class Seat! What next?

[neverdie]

So we've all sat in economy next to a fat slob and a common comment on TVF is that these folks should be forced to purchase a Business Class ticket.

What happens if you're too fat to fit in the Business Class Seat?

In many airlines 'first class' isn't that much wider, reclines more, gives you more leg room, so what do really fat slobs do?

Should folk like this be forced to take alternate travel, such as container ship or be carted on planes like horses in the cargo section?

What's your thought.

[matador007]

Hi,

At that point, without your health, anything else is really secondary. Business, family, etc.. Because the likelyhood of hospitalization and problems increases.

I hope folks will realize this, and get to a reasonable size/BMI level, and then continue on enjoying life and being a contributing factor to their family, overall life and this planet.

Here's hoping for humanity...

--M

[sipi]

They could buy three seats in economy and lift the arm-rests up. One cheek on each seat and a spare in between.

[Fabricus]

These days this is a big topic, and one which many TV members will doubtless wish to expand on.

When I was very young I trained as an accountant in Oxford. The partner I trained with was a Scottish woman from Edinburgh. She had a massive "full figure". Outwardly she was very nice and extremely friendly, but I gradually saw she was a complete bitch. She made vile comments about the young office girls. Her name was Margaret.

On one occasion she took a holiday to Portugal. When she returned she took a day off work. She phoned in to say it was because of jet lag.

I told this story to one of the office girls and she said: "So who's jet-lagged -- Margaret or the airplane"?

[manarak]

I thought about this question during my last flight where I saw the rear portion of the plane where the sides of the hull narrow, so that the number of seats across is also reduced - invariably, this results in unused space, where two larger seats could be fitted on each side of the cabin, as well as probably one larger seat in the row in front of that.

If airlines fitted larger seats there, there would be at least 4 seats per flight available to fat people.

I'll post a photo I made to explain what I mean

[manarak]

I thought about this question during my last flight where I saw the rear portion of the plane where the sides of the hull narrow, so that the number of seats across is also reduced - invariably, this results in unused space, where two larger seats could be fitted on each side of the cabin, as well as probably one larger seat in the row in front of that.

If airlines fitted larger seats there, there would be at least 4 seats per flight available to fat people.

I'll post a photo I made to explain what I mean

ok, here is the picture

notice the change in seats and the unused space

The one thing that gets on my nerves is when airlines hassle passengers about additional luggage weight. You know, when you weigh 70 Kg and have 26Kg vs. the airline's policy of 23Kg... when they try to make you pay something like 150 USD for these three Kg whereas another passenger weighing 120 Kg has no problem with his 20 Kg luggage!

I think airlines should allow a global weight per passenger including luggage, something for example like 120 Kg, included in the ticket.

[ClutchClark]

I thought about this question during my last flight where I saw the rear portion of the plane where the sides of the hull narrow, so that the number of seats across is also reduced - invariably, this results in unused space, where two larger seats could be fitted on each side of the cabin, as well as probably one larger seat in the row in front of that.

If airlines fitted larger seats there, there would be at least 4 seats per flight available to fat people.

I'll post a photo I made to explain what I mean

Yes but there could be serious weight & balance issues with your suggestion.

Too much weight aft can result in the aircraft sitting on its tail.

Edited July 22, 2016 by ClutchClark

[pgrahmm]

Take your 85# Thai wife....Then put the arm rest up - space for both....

If you're bigger than that you need a diet & some exercises, not a plane....

[manarak]

I thought about this question during my last flight where I saw the rear portion of the plane where the sides of the hull narrow, so that the number of seats across is also reduced - invariably, this results in unused space, where two larger seats could be fitted on each side of the cabin, as well as probably one larger seat in the row in front of that.

If airlines fitted larger seats there, there would be at least 4 seats per flight available to fat people.

I'll post a photo I made to explain what I mean

Yes but there could be serious weight & balance issues with your suggestion.

Too much weight aft can result in the aircraft sitting on its tail.

We are talking big planes here, not pipers.

[alfieconn]

I thought about this question during my last flight where I saw the rear portion of the plane where the sides of the hull narrow, so that the number of seats across is also reduced - invariably, this results in unused space, where two larger seats could be fitted on each side of the cabin, as well as probably one larger seat in the row in front of that.

If airlines fitted larger seats there, there would be at least 4 seats per flight available to fat people.

I'll post a photo I made to explain what I mean

Yes but there could be serious weight & balance issues with your suggestion.

Too much weight aft can result in the aircraft sitting on its tail.

Surely the Posters suggestion would not make the plane as heavy as he plane being full of people weighing 120 kg's, as a matter of interest i wonder what would happen if that was the case ?

[Rc2702]

I'm on a flight to khon khaen from bkk about 3 months big fat boatyard arrives at aisle first thing this sweat machine does is chuck the seat belt toward me so he avoids sitting on it. Big sweaty penfold looking German guy. Anyway I maintain my usual calm self throughout the flight. 15 mins before landing the coffees arriving he sees he scores this guy makes a lunge towards the coffee in Olympic finnish fashion. Does he grab the coffee, no. the sugar, no. the creamer, no he grabs every single spoon off the stewardesses tray like he has a right to them. The steward, mrs and myself are looking at each other unsure what the hell is going on. Anyone seen this guy in action?

[NickJ]

My friend has the problem of being huge. 320 plus lbs. Going on vacation with him is horrible. No fat on the guy really. just muscle.Powerlifter. He flies business and does his best to not bother people. Nobody wants to get on his bad side though.

[ClutchClark]

I thought about this question during my last flight where I saw the rear portion of the plane where the sides of the hull narrow, so that the number of seats across is also reduced - invariably, this results in unused space, where two larger seats could be fitted on each side of the cabin, as well as probably one larger seat in the row in front of that.

If airlines fitted larger seats there, there would be at least 4 seats per flight available to fat people.

I'll post a photo I made to explain what I mean

Yes but there could be serious weight & balance issues with your suggestion.

Too much weight aft can result in the aircraft sitting on its tail.

Surely the Posters suggestion would not make the plane as heavy as he plane being full of people weighing 120 kg's, as a matter of interest i wonder what would happen if that was the case ?

This was a flight coming bac from a Jenny Craig convention in Miami about 8 years ago.

[sipi]

It's the loudmouths screaming into their phone whilst the plane is waiting for push-back that annoy me.
"Yes, my international investment portfolio is bla bla bla".
Shut the <deleted> up. We dont want to hear that crap, and you aren't fooling anyone.

[neverdie]

On 7/22/2016 at 1:54 PM, sipi said:

It's the loudmouths screaming into their phone whilst the plane is waiting for push-back that annoy me.

"Yes, my international investment portfolio is bla bla bla".

Shut the <deleted> up. We dont want to hear that crap, and you aren't fooling anyone.

Years ago I was on a flight from Dubai to Dhaka and the buggers were coming on the plane with carpets, boxes, televisions, samauri swords and one guy even boarded with a little gas cooking stove (maybe butane)....they were on their way home for their bi-annual holiday after surviving another 2 years paving roadways in the desert. It was going back years ago to the old Dxb airport and I remember buzzing the flighty and when she rolled up I alerted her to this guy cooking rats in the next row. She rolled her eyes and said, "not again" 5555

It was an old Ricketrty A300 or 310 or something or rather . Very early EK days.

Anyway, I'd rather a knob on his phone than the guy stabbing you with his rolled up carpet.

Can you imagine trying to board with a sword these days 5555

[neverdie]

Ohhhh yeah and there were no fatties, the biggest guy was about 40kg and 5'2 lol

[CharlieH]

There are airlines that charge passengers by weight, if it exceeds a certain amount, they have to buy two tickets (seats) the arm is raised between them supplying enough room.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/news/Samoa-Air-introduces-XL-class-for-larger-passengers/

Also for safety reasons passengers are being weighed...

http://edition.cnn.com/2015/08/12/travel/airline-weighing-passengers/

[pgrahmm]

There are airlines that charge passengers by weight, if it exceeds a certain amount, they have to buy two tickets (seats) the arm is raised between them supplying enough room.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/news/Samoa-Air-introduces-XL-class-for-larger-passengers/

Also for safety reasons passengers are being weighed...

http://edition.cnn.com/2015/08/12/travel/airline-weighing-passengers/

largeer-pass.jpg

That guy's a monster...Look at the width of his shoulders.....

Serious Sumo material.....

[Rc2702]

There are airlines that charge passengers by weight, if it exceeds a certain amount, they have to buy two tickets (seats) the arm is raised between them supplying enough room.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/news/Samoa-Air-introduces-XL-class-for-larger-passengers/

Also for safety reasons passengers are being weighed...

http://edition.cnn.com/2015/08/12/travel/airline-weighing-passengers/

largeer-pass.jpg

That guy's a monster...Look at the width of his shoulders.....

Serious Sumo material.....

Seriously hoe does one fit into the toilet cubicle let alone sit on the toilet, any toilet for that matter. Feel a bit slack mocking the guy but these are real health and safety concerns not for him but the other passengers. Imagine if guy in middle needs toilet he will have to give him 10 minutes notice to get our of seat. Was he wearing a seat belt even, that in itself should be enough to reject his admission on the plane.

[neverdie]

There are airlines that charge passengers by weight, if it exceeds a certain amount, they have to buy two tickets (seats) the arm is raised between them supplying enough room.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/news/Samoa-Air-introduces-XL-class-for-larger-passengers/

Also for safety reasons passengers are being weighed...

http://edition.cnn.com/2015/08/12/travel/airline-weighing-passengers/

largeer-pass.jpg

Is that you in that picture Sir?

Was going to say, it looks like you lost a bit and you must have cos they usually load you thru the cargo bay, don't they?

Jokes aside, it's not the airlines bottom line that worries me, it's the inconveienat to other passengers and safety issues etc.

Dudes like this probably can't even get down the slide at emergency exit.

Edited July 22, 2016 by neverdie

[Patsycat]

Neverdie and i could and shall cuddle up in economy one day, next life - but business might be better, i like the slippers. And those dinky toothbrushes. They gave me a man bag, with a razor and everything - i didn't care because i felt rather posh.

And the bloody marys. I just loved walking up the stairs and leaving the plebs down below. Didn't care where i was going. i did a little dance. Yess smee!!

And i wasn't fat at all. And still am not. I had a huge seat all to myself!! Could have got three of us in it!!

Back to economy - you get what you pay for and you can't choose the people who you sit next to. I had the most beautifuly handsome French guy once, he got me all flustered. I had to pretend to sleep.

I love those long haul flights. But if i weighed 100 kilos, i don't think i would. I usually just curl up like a kitten or a pup and go to sleep. Once, a few years ago with my family. My mum came round the plane and stroked the heads of her children while we slept. We were adults. We found that rather touching.

We all enjoy a drink or two in an airplane. But i would be terrified if someone had a hissy fit while i am sitting there, in a tin can at 30,000 feet plummeting at full blast towards my destintion.

[neverdie]

Neverdie and i could and shall cuddle up in economy one day, next life - but business might be better, i like the slippers. And those dinky toothbrushes. They gave me a man bag, with a razor and everything - i didn't care because i felt rather posh.

And the bloody marys. I just loved walking up the stairs and leaving the plebs down below. Didn't care where i was going. i did a little dance. Yess smee!!

And i wasn't fat at all. And still am not. I had a huge seat all to myself!! Could have got three of us in it!!

Back to economy - you get what you pay for and you can't choose the people who you sit next to. I had the most beautifuly handsome French guy once, he got me all flustered. I had to pretend to sleep.

I love those long haul flights. But if i weighed 100 kilos, i don't think i would. I usually just curl up like a kitten or a pup and go to sleep. Once, a few years ago with my family. My mum came round the plane and stroked the heads of her children while we slept. We were adults. We found that rather touching.

We all enjoy a drink or two in an airplane. But i would be terrified if someone had a hissy fit while i am sitting there, in a tin can at 30,000 feet plummeting at full blast towards my destintion.

With an offer like that kittykat, I'm gonna hook us one on those suites on the A380.....flat bed woooohoooo.

Mrs Nd said to tell u that she has a 'no returns' policy

When should I book the flight for?

When are we going?

What's your credit card number

[neverdie]

If there were planes in ancient time, the fat Chinese travellers would have been ejected from flights for trying to carry on their 'personal hygiene sticks'

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2016/jul/22/ancient-bottom-wipers-yield-evidence-of-diseases-silk-road-chinese-liver-fluke?CMP=fb_gu

[neverdie]

Anyway, nobody has answered the thread question.

1. Should airlines be forced to provide Fat Seats?

2. Should fat slobs be forced to ride on Cargo ships or simple stay home?

[neverdie]

Should skinny passengers receive a discount?

[CharlieH]

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[neverdie]

Absolutely gov, no need for slurs here, this is a subject that's very valid in today's travelling environment. Airlines are constantly looking for ways to trim costs and make more money. Actually one TVF member here knows the owners of a local budget airline, would be interesting on their take on this.

IMO, it would be fair in airlines changed the way the treated this. For example, a 45kg Thai passenger with a bag at 20kg is within limits providing she/he maintains carry on luggage of 6kg. Total weight would be 45+20+6 = 71kg (Varies amongst airlines and classes of travel) but if this Thai had 30kg checked bag, their total weight is now 81kg & the airline is hitting them up for excess weight. MEANWHILE Blubberguts from Fatsville is standing at the next check in wearing his massive tent style striped shirt and his cargo shorts that could double as car cover at 165kg, with 20 kg of checked luggage and 6kg of carryon and he boards without incurring an extra charge. FAIR? I think not.

Shouldn't airlines develop a 'Mean passenger weighting' system, for example, everyone's allowed 90kg. A 45kg Thai could afford to carry 45kg of luggage, simple. Old blubberguts on his way to his annual trip to Som's soapatorium has to pay the fair amount to do so. Also if his backside and blubber can't be contained within his seat space he must pay for a fat seat. If a fat seat is it unavailable, he must be denied boarding privelege. Of course airline could provide this option at booking, such as "Do you require a fatseat, blubberguts?" question.

It would be a much fairer system.

Also, if the planes had Fatseats, they should have reinforced restraints to stop blubberguts from rolling from his seat possibly injuring other PAX, or causing the pilot to loose control due to sudden and significant load shift, plus this seat belt should have a special remotely controlled locking mechanism, controlled from the galley which would stop blubberguts leaving his seat during an emergency, as surely he should be last to leave his seat so he doesn't cause an aisle or slide blockage during an emergency.

I see this as much fairer policy and maybe folk could write to the airlines regarding this. Maybe a petition or something. Just a thought. Imagine being able to carry more luggage if you were normal human weight, verses the mamouth weilderbeast weights of some folk!

Would 90kg be fair?

Edited July 23, 2016 by neverdie

[sipi]

Flying around Alaska 30 years ago in a small cessna the pilot weighed everyone and everything to do his fuel calculations.

There was a crash some years ago in America where it was directly caused by overweight passengers. I will try to find a link.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/article-590144/Obese-passengers-caused-plane-crash.html

Edited July 23, 2016 by sipi

[neverdie]

Flying around Alaska 30 years ago in a small cessna the pilot weighed everyone and everything to do his fuel calculations.

There was a crash some years ago in America where it was directly caused by overweight passengers. I will try to find a link.

Definately. Having piloted several Cessna's myself, I can confirm weights in smaller a/c are a SERIOUS consideration......but even the largest of commercial airliners also have to consider weights. It's a fact.

[neverdie]

Maybe the 'mean' weight might be 100kg, surely it needs to be fair as one wouldn't want to descriminate against folk that lack reasonable self control, respect for themselves and laziness that leads to being morbidly obese. We recognise these folks have increased expenses to buy the larger clothes and 23 daily cakes etc.

Overall, if this airline policy caused people to diet and exercise and constrain the cake urges, it would be a win/win, nobody enjoys looking at or being near fatties.