Clinton, Trump decry latest police shootings of black men

[Scotwight]

1 hour ago, PTC said:

 

This footage is old hat. It has been posted many times before on many threads.

 

I am not disputing what words are being chanted. I am saying the there is no way you can say that this is BLM, not even with that trendy hashtags at the top.

 

It is not a difficult concept. If you say this is BLM then prove it.

BLM protestors chanted and celebrated, "Pigs in a blanket!" We saw the same over the weekend in Minneapolis. This isn't happening in one place, it's happening around the country. BLM activists are using their own words and inspiration from convicted cop killers to promote the assassination of police officers. 

 

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2015/09/02/exposing-black-lives-matter-for-what-it-is-promotion-of-cop-jilling-n2046941

[Scott]

I very strongly suggest you cease bickering and stick to the topic.  

 

[Publicus]

2 hours ago, ClutchClark said:

 

The vast majority of police departments require an Associates Degree and it is also common to hire applicants with prior military service. 

 

Where do you pull your information from?

 

Chief Richard Beary is sensible  guy who likes to say that 98% of the police in the USA do the right thing 98% of the time. He is president of the International Association of Chiefs of Police. As a retired cop who has a master degree, Chief Beary exemplifies and represents a lot of police in the 50 states.

 

It's the burdensome majority of the lesser educated cops who come from rougher socio-cultural backgrounds that get our attention.

 

One study, which looked at data from Florida’s 43,000 police officers, was striking. Cops with just a high school diploma, 58 percent of the total, were the subject of 75 percent of disciplinary actions. While officers with a bachelor’s degree, 24 percent of the total, were the subject of only 11 percent of disciplinary actions

 

Michael Jenkins, an assistant professor of criminal justice at the University of Scranton, says, “Your typical police officer in the United States is a white male from a lower-middle-class background who is likely not college-educated.”

 

http://america.aljazeera.com/watch/shows/real-money-with-alivelshi/articles/2015/4/17/experts-question-if-police-departments-are-making-the-best-hires.html

 

The police throughout the United States also get our attention when their largest employee union, the Fraternal Order of Police, endorses Donald Trump for Potus. FOP always support the Republican for Potus, yes, but then Trump is much more The Ignoramus than he is anything else. Seems that Donald Trump is their rare vision of police work and law enforcement.

 

The cop in Texas who some time back made his dramatic flying entrance to a pool party had spent nine years in the navy before becoming the cop that took down a thin black girl pool party-goer then sat on her. The berserker cop. Too many police departments have more than one of 'em.

[Skywalker69]

Police Are Getting Shot More In 2016, And It’s White Men Pulling The Trigger.

 

Although police unions and conservative politicians blame Black Lives Matter and Beyoncé, in 71 percent of fatal shootings of police so far in 2016, the shooter was a white man.

 

http://www.mintpressnews.com/police-getting-shot-2016-white-men-pulling-trigger/216339/

[PTC]

34 minutes ago, Scotwight said:

BLM protestors chanted and celebrated, "Pigs in a blanket!" We saw the same over the weekend in Minneapolis. This isn't happening in one place, it's happening around the country. BLM activists are using their own words and inspiration from convicted cop killers to promote the assassination of police officers. 

 

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2015/09/02/exposing-black-lives-matter-for-what-it-is-promotion-of-cop-jilling-n2046941

 

This idea of just because I say it, then it must be true seems to be a characteristic of those on the Right who attack BLM. This is certainly the case of Katie Pavlich, the author of the referenced piece in downhill.com that appears to be her opportunity to re-litigate the debate she had with an African American contributor on a Fox New segment, only this time with out that distraction of a person calling her out on her insinuation, innuendo and flat out lies.

 

We cannot view the Minnesota VDO on the site because we get a message saying the site's YouTube account has been suspended due to multiple copyright infringement notices. We can see the Fox News segment where it is clear that the person speaking in defense of BLM is there to be shouted down and talked over by Ms. Megan 'Of Course Santa Clause is White' Kelly and the author of the article. In any case, she couldn't care less about the language of the protests, her objective was to try and create a false equivalency between the Tea Party rhetoric that inspired the shooting of Congresswoman Gifford in Arizona with the language of the protesters that are alleged to be representing BLM. And as anyone knows who has watched this so called 'journalist' in action, if you cross her then she will scream you down into submission.

 

Of course this is not happening in one place. Police are killing citizens all over America, many of them people of color. You are surprised that protests are occurring in multiple locations? As for the Pigs i a Blanket comment, what do you want them to say "Excuse me Massa, can I object to your killing my brother".

 

The patchwork of insinuation, innuendo and 'evidence' that is really just guilt by association made up in the minds of Right Wing racists concludes with Ms. Pavlich citing the Washington Post in an attempt to make the point that African Americans do not support BLM. The citation has nothing to do with that issue, except perhaps in Ms. Povich's fevered and fantastical imagination but there is an interesting quote from the newspaper:

 

"Even if the BLM activists aren't the ones participating in the boorish language and dress, neither are they condemning it." - the pieces talks at some length about the fact that some protestors wear pants that show their underwear, thus playing into the generational fears of readers. So the article cited by Ms. Povich acknowledges that BLM is NOT participating in these protests and then goes on to condemn them anyway.

 

Pure agitprop. The Right lives in a different world where you are guilty by association, where anyone can ascribe to you characteristics based on any stereotype they want and where a person of Ms. Povich's questionable talents can write a bunch of self serving nonsense to re-argue points that she lost on television to satisfy her own gigantic vanity.

 

This is the EVIDENCE that is provided to counter my posting of the BLM statement of principles that do not say anything about supporting violent protest or killing of police. Further more, if you are going to attack BLM on the basis of some connection with Assata Shakur who killed a police officer in 1973 and fled to Cuba in 1975 after being convicted, then you are going to need to provide a whole lot of context to justify your accusations against BLM and not the perfunctory half sentence with which you conclude your post. Just more insinuation and innuendo to push an intellectually bankrupt, stereotyped view of African Americans and organizations like BLM.

[Scotwight]

The whole shooting/riot thing and the emphasis on BLM stuff can be explained in one story.  Who Is Behind The Riots? Charlotte Police Says 70% Of Arrested Protesters Had Out Of State IDs Pure agitprop.  Professional liberals are trying to make a point and normal people can see through the nonsense.  

 http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-09-22/who-behind-riots-charlotte-police-says-70-arrested-protesters-had-out-state-ids

[PTC]

9 hours ago, Scotwight said:

The whole shooting/riot thing and the emphasis on BLM stuff can be explained in one story.  Who Is Behind The Riots? Charlotte Police Says 70% Of Arrested Protesters Had Out Of State IDs Pure agitprop.  Professional liberals are trying to make a point and normal people can see through the nonsense.  

 http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-09-22/who-behind-riots-charlotte-police-says-70-arrested-protesters-had-out-state-ids

 

So who do you allow to protest. Only those resident in Charlotte or are people from other counties able to participate. Remind me, where does the Constitution say that someone from out of state does not have the same rights as those within a particular state. I looked for it but sure as heck can't find it.

 

Should I post a link to the US Constitution?

[Ulysses G.]

6 hours ago, Skywalker69 said:

Trump lies when he says black is worse of today than ever before.

 

He probably meant fairly recently - since the 1950s.

[Skywalker69]

56 minutes ago, Ulysses G. said:

 

He probably meant fairly recently - since the 1950s.

Well his words was "worse than ever before"

[Skywalker69]

[Xircal]

 

Sometimes shooting an intruder is justified. One of these scumbags died in the incident.

 

But will you just listen to the dispatcher on this clip asking ridiculous questions after the woman dialled 911 to report a burglary. She should have taken into account that the woman would likely be a bit shakey after what happened and found it difficult to express herself properly.

[Credo]

9 hours ago, Scotwight said:

The whole shooting/riot thing and the emphasis on BLM stuff can be explained in one story.  Who Is Behind The Riots? Charlotte Police Says 70% Of Arrested Protesters Had Out Of State IDs Pure agitprop.  Professional liberals are trying to make a point and normal people can see through the nonsense.  

 http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-09-22/who-behind-riots-charlotte-police-says-70-arrested-protesters-had-out-state-ids

Oh, for God's sake, Charlotte is located very close to the South Carolina border.   It's not like it's in the middle of the state.   

[Ulysses G.]

6 hours ago, Xircal said:

 

Sometimes shooting an intruder is justified. One of these scumbags died in the incident.

 

But will you just listen to the dispatcher on this clip asking ridiculous questions after the woman dialled 911 to report a burglary. She should have taken into account that the woman would likely be a bit shakey after what happened and found it difficult to express herself properly.

 

She is not a native English speaker. That was the problem. Very brave lady!

[Steely Dan]

Scratch beneath the surface and the tawdry and opportunistic nature of BLM becomes clear.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/264278/protest-thugs-and-real-evil-charlotte-daniel-greenfield

Keith Lamont Scott was scum.

He had been convicted of assault with a deadly weapon in two different states and convicted of assault in three states. He had been hit with “assault with intent to kill” charges in the 90s. His record of virtue included “assault on a child under 12” and “assault on a female.”

The media spin; “Family and neighbors call Scott a quiet ‘family man.’”

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[Pimay1]

1 hour ago, Credo said:

Oh, for God's sake, Charlotte is located very close to the South Carolina border.   It's not like it's in the middle of the state.   

Would South Carolina be out of state from North Carolina? I believe so.

[ClutchClark]

9 hours ago, Skywalker69 said:

 

You forgot the square that says Eight years ago America elects Black President and the square that says for seversl decades America pays black athletes hundreds of millions of dollars. 

 

That is why many Americans have difficulty understanding why Kap is so angry at America--he lives in a country that has allowed him to live every dream, adopted by white parents, able to attend top schools and ear more money than 100 Americans combined and yet he is angry at America.

 

Many Americans call that ungrateful. 

 

Sorry to ruin your narrative of balck people as victims but many Americans think black people should take the same personal responsibility for their actions as every other ethnic group in America. Why do black people kill so many people? Why do they commit so many crimes? 

[ClutchClark]

15 hours ago, Publicus said:

 

Chief Richard Beary is sensible  guy who likes to say that 98% of the police in the USA do the right thing 98% of the time. He is president of the International Association of Chiefs of Police. As a retired cop who has a master degree, Chief Beary exemplifies and represents a lot of police in the 50 states.

 

It's the burdensome majority of the lesser educated cops who come from rougher socio-cultural backgrounds that get our attention.

 

One study, which looked at data from Florida’s 43,000 police officers, was striking. Cops with just a high school diploma, 58 percent of the total, were the subject of 75 percent of disciplinary actions. While officers with a bachelor’s degree, 24 percent of the total, were the subject of only 11 percent of disciplinary actions

 

Michael Jenkins, an assistant professor of criminal justice at the University of Scranton, says, “Your typical police officer in the United States is a white male from a lower-middle-class background who is likely not college-educated.”

 

http://america.aljazeera.com/watch/shows/real-money-with-alivelshi/articles/2015/4/17/experts-question-if-police-departments-are-making-the-best-hires.html

 

The police throughout the United States also get our attention when their largest employee union, the Fraternal Order of Police, endorses Donald Trump for Potus. FOP always support the Republican for Potus, yes, but then Trump is much more The Ignoramus than he is anything else. Seems that Donald Trump is their rare vision of police work and law enforcement.

 

The cop in Texas who some time back made his dramatic flying entrance to a pool party had spent nine years in the navy before becoming the cop that took down a thin black girl pool party-goer then sat on her. The berserker cop. Too many police departments have more than one of 'em.

 

Is it called some type of "elitism" when someone honestly believes that the only Americans worthy of respect are those with a college degree and any American (atleast white American) without a college degree is some kind of hillbilly barely capable of speech? 

 

BTW, this officer involved shooting involved a black police officer...should we check to see if he had a college degree or not before we determine what occured out there on that street? 

 

As for the FOP supporting Trump...please use your college educated brain to understand that many republican supporters are voting for Trump only to support the Republican ticket. 

 

A vote for hillary does not help us Republicans promote our Conservative Value system...why is this so hard for so many educated democrats to understand? 

[Credo]

2 hours ago, Pimay1 said:

Would South Carolina be out of state from North Carolina? I believe so.

The point is, that getting from a neighboring state to Charlotte is not an arduous journey.   

Nothing but a deflection on your part.   

[Publicus]

1 hour ago, ClutchClark said:

 

You forgot the square that says Eight years ago America elects Black President and the square that says for seversl decades America pays black athletes hundreds of millions of dollars. 

 

That is why many Americans have difficulty understanding why Kap is so angry at America--he lives in a country that has allowed him to live every dream, adopted by white parents, able to attend top schools and ear more money than 100 Americans combined and yet he is angry at America.

 

Many Americans call that ungrateful. 

 

Sorry to ruin your narrative of balck people as victims but many Americans think black people should take the same personal responsibility for their actions as every other ethnic group in America. Why do black people kill so many people? Why do they commit so many crimes? 

 

Based on a population base of only 300 million Americans in the USA, the percent who are professional athletes constitutes .00005% That's of all ethnicity and level of education.  

 

So the example in the post is pathetically irrelevant, immaterial, unrealistic. It's like claiming what's called black on black violence is unrelated to the national police crime wave occurring against black Americans as the direct reaction to the Civil Rights Movement from the 1950s on, to include the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965.

 

And given that the largest national police union in the USA, the Fraternal Order of Police, has officially endorsed Donald Trump for Potus, we know where the FOP membership is coming from starting with the dogs and pigs of Selma Alabama and Mississippi burning, right on out to Stone Mountain in Georgia with its four principal Confederate States of America generals engraved on it.

 

The history of the Civil Rights Movement of black Americans is the history of dogs and pigs and night riders. Now we have the tea party, the evangelical rightwhinge, the Trump fanboyz.

[Pimay1]

44 minutes ago, Credo said:

The point is, that getting from a neighboring state to Charlotte is not an arduous journey.   

Nothing but a deflection on your part.   

The point is that 70% of the people demonstrating were not from North Carolina. They were trouble makers from another state. I read an article this morning stating the outsiders were coming into Charlotte by the bus loads. It did not relate which state the out of state rioters were from. What makes you think they all came from South Carolina? And even if they were from SC that does not make it right for them to come to Charlotte just to riot, steal and burn.

[Credo]

1 hour ago, Pimay1 said:

The point is that 70% of the people demonstrating were not from North Carolina. They were trouble makers from another state. I read an article this morning stating the outsiders were coming into Charlotte by the bus loads. It did not relate which state the out of state rioters were from. What makes you think they all came from South Carolina? And even if they were from SC that does not make it right for them to come to Charlotte just to riot, steal and burn.

I would venture to guess that most came to protest the killing, not 'just to riot, steal and burn.'

[Scotwight]

6 minutes ago, Credo said:

I would venture to guess that most came to protest the killing, not 'just to riot, steal and burn.'

How many riots have you seen?  

[Slip]

4 hours ago, ClutchClark said:

 

You forgot the square that says Eight years ago America elects Black President and the square that says for seversl decades America pays black athletes hundreds of millions of dollars. 

 

That is why many Americans have difficulty understanding why Kap is so angry at America--he lives in a country that has allowed him to live every dream, adopted by white parents, able to attend top schools and ear more money than 100 Americans combined and yet he is angry at America.

 

Many Americans call that ungrateful. 

 

Sorry to ruin your narrative of balck people as victims but many Americans think black people should take the same personal responsibility for their actions as every other ethnic group in America. Why do black people kill so many people? Why do they commit so many crimes? 

You talk as if he is not an American.  Oh should he be 'grateful' indeed?   The clear implication in this nasty nasty post is that 'these people' should 'know their place'.

 

"He lives in a country..."; "America pays them?"; "so many 'Americans' have difficulty understanding"? 

 

So because he is successful he has no right to an opinion, or at least to voice it? 

 

Should white professional sports people be equally grateful and silent or are they allowed opinions on issues in the US by virtue of their skin colour?

 

[Pimay1]

54 minutes ago, Credo said:

I would venture to guess that most came to protest the killing, not 'just to riot, steal and burn.'

Judging from the videos I would venture you are wrong.

[ClutchClark]

1 hour ago, Slip said:

You talk as if he is not an American.  Oh should he be 'grateful' indeed?   The clear implication in this nasty nasty post is that 'these people' should 'know their place'.

 

"He lives in a country..."; "America pays them?"; "so many 'Americans' have difficulty understanding"? 

 

So because he is successful he has no right to an opinion, or at least to voice it? 

 

Should white professional sports people be equally grateful and silent or are they allowed opinions on issues in the US by virtue of their skin colour?

 

 

WARNING: This response may be considered "nasty" by some delicate readers. 

 

I am "grateful" every day to wake up in the great country of America and be an American. Kap's biography shows it is still a "land of Opportunity" for people of all colors. 

 

kap has a right to an opinion just lime all Americans; however, Kap chose to express his opinion in a manner which insults all of America...ergo, many Americans are insulted. If Kap had wanted to bring people of different views on this topic together then he chose a very poor method of expression.

 

Do me a favor and don't guess at my "implication" because you have not done a very good job and have shown me disrespect. Simply ask me for clarification and I will happily spell it out for you. 

[Scott]

Off-topic posts removed.  

[Slip]

2 minutes ago, ClutchClark said:

 

WARNING: This response may be considered "nasty" by some delicate readers. 

 

I am "grateful" every day to wake up in the great country of America and be an American. Kap's biography shows it is still a "land of Opportunity" for people of all colors. 

 

kap has a right to an opinion just lime all Americans; however, Kap chose to express his opinion in a manner which insults all of America...ergo, many Americans are insulted. If Kap had wanted to bring people of different views on this topic together then he chose a very poor method of expression.

 

Do me a favor and don't guess at my "implication" because you have not done a very good job and have shown me disrespect. Simply ask me for clarification and I will happily spell it out for you. 

I don't consider your reply to be nasty, and I certainly mean no disrespect to you.  I do respect your right to your opinion, but I think the way you expressed it was off just as you think of Kap's expression of his is.  

 

Perhaps I misunderstood you, but it seems to me that your implication was that as a black man who has been 'allowed' (your word) to do well he should consider himself lucky to have been granted that opportunity by America and should not be commenting on the situation of other black people in the country who have not been granted those same opportunities.  The flavour of your words suggested that you feel successful black people have been done some sort of favour to be in that position, and therefore should not comment. That seemed implicitly racist.

 

The specific phrases that caused me to question your response are:
 

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That is why many Americans have difficulty understanding

Which suggests he is not an American like those who criticise him,
 

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he lives in a country

as opposed to he 'comes from a country'

 

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adopted by white parents,

as if that in some way better than being brought up in a black household

 

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ear(n) more money than 100 Americans combined

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Many Americans call that ungrateful. 

which suggest that as a black man he is in some way not American, or not as deserving as other non-black Americans.

I don't feel that black people should be grateful for being treated equally.  I think they should be able to expect it, and if a successful person of any race sees discrimination they should do their best to combat it.

 

If that was not your intent then I am happy to apologise, and assuming that is the case I do so now, but perhaps you could look at the way you word your responses for the avoidance of doubt and misunderstanding.

[ClutchClark]

2 hours ago, Slip said:

I don't consider your reply to be nasty, and I certainly mean no disrespect to you.  I do respect your right to your opinion, but I think the way you expressed it was off just as you think of Kap's expression of his is.  

 

Perhaps I misunderstood you, but it seems to me that your implication was that as a black man who has been 'allowed' (your word) to do well he should consider himself lucky to have been granted that opportunity by America and should not be commenting on the situation of other black people in the country who have not been granted those same opportunities.  The flavour of your words suggested that you feel successful black people have been done some sort of favour to be in that position, and therefore should not comment. That seemed implicitly racist.

 

The specific phrases that caused me to question your response are:
 

Which suggests he is not an American like those who criticise him,
 

as opposed to he 'comes from a country'

 

as if that in some way better than being brought up in a black household

 

which suggest that as a black man he is in some way not American, or not as deserving as other non-black Americans.

I don't feel that black people should be grateful for being treated equally.  I think they should be able to expect it, and if a successful person of any race sees discrimination they should do their best to combat it.

 

If that was not your intent then I am happy to apologise, and assuming that is the case I do so now, but perhaps you could look at the way you word your responses for the avoidance of doubt and misunderstanding.

 

Thanks.

 

I think any pro athlete in America has quite alot to be thankful for.

 

They are paid very exhorbitant salaries compared to Americans like teachers and nurses and dozens of other professionals who actually contribute something to the Country.

 

Kap complains about racism and yet he is an example of just the opposite of being a victim of racism. 

 

I have equal dislike for any American who has been allowed a higly successful life condeming the country that fostered their success.

[ClutchClark]

2 hours ago, Slip said:

I don't consider your reply to be nasty, and I certainly mean no disrespect to you.  I do respect your right to your opinion, but I think the way you expressed it was off just as you think of Kap's expression of his is.  

 

Perhaps I misunderstood you, but it seems to me that your implication was that as a black man who has been 'allowed' (your word) to do well he should consider himself lucky to have been granted that opportunity by America and should not be commenting on the situation of other black people in the country who have not been granted those same opportunities.  The flavour of your words suggested that you feel successful black people have been done some sort of favour to be in that position, and therefore should not comment. That seemed implicitly racist.

 

The specific phrases that caused me to question your response are:
 

Which suggests he is not an American like those who criticise him,
 

as opposed to he 'comes from a country'

 

as if that in some way better than being brought up in a black household

 

which suggest that as a black man he is in some way not American, or not as deserving as other non-black Americans.

I don't feel that black people should be grateful for being treated equally.  I think they should be able to expect it, and if a successful person of any race sees discrimination they should do their best to combat it.

 

If that was not your intent then I am happy to apologise, and assuming that is the case I do so now, but perhaps you could look at the way you word your responses for the avoidance of doubt and misunderstanding.

 

Thanks.

 

I think any pro athlete in America has quite alot to be thankful for.

 

They are paid very exhorbitant salaries compared to Americans like teachers and nurses and dozens of other professionals who actually contribute something to the Country.

 

Kap complains about racism and yet he is an example of just the opposite of being a victim of racism. 

 

I have equal dislike for any American who has been allowed a higly successful life condeming the country that fostered their success.

[ClutchClark]

6 hours ago, Publicus said:

 

Based on a population base of only 300 million Americans in the USA, the percent who are professional athletes constitutes .00005% That's of all ethnicity and level of education.  

 

So the example in the post is pathetically irrelevant, immaterial, unrealistic. 

 

Fascinating.

 

Did you know there are 800,000 sworn law enforcement officers on active duty in 2016 and there are maybe 5 police shootings of blacks that are considered unjustified but lets call it 10. 

 

Guess what that amounts to using 10?  That is 0.0000125

 

This is only 25% of the value you have already described as "pathetically, irrelevant, immaterial and unrealistic".

 

In other words you are making much ado about nothing.