talahtnut Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 15 hours ago, simoh1490 said: I think those expert economists made their forecasts with that knowledge already in mind, it was not exactly a well hidden secret by any stretch of the imagination. Government experts and economists don't make forecasts..they know exactly whats going to happen. Its been going on since the 70s. You've hit the nail on the head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilostmypassword Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 55 minutes ago, talahtnut said: Government experts and economists don't make forecasts..they know exactly whats going to happen. Its been going on since the 70s. You've hit the nail on the head. Really? Because an awful lot of them predicted instant disaster if the Brexit referendum won. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandyf Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 21 hours ago, soalbundy said: The pound yes but the Dollar is a reserve currency, only if the amount of oil sold fell drastically (it has to be paid in Dollars) would the Dollar decline meaningfully but even so the industrial might of the USA is considerable,they have a lot of foreign and home grown scientists and engineers and are very innovative,when push comes to shove the USA rises above itself so while the Dollar may fall over the next two years I don't see its demise as a reserve currency. Even the battered Pound will find a floor from where it can drag itself but I don't have much hope that they will get above their knees. "only if the amount of oil sold fell drastically (it has to be paid in Dollars) would the Dollar decline meaningfully" Not strictly true, it is not dependent on the amount of oil but more to do with how the oil is paid for. The dollar is at risk as there are moves afoot to trade oil in Yuan . The world’s largest crude oil importer China is likely to roll out the petro-yuan next year predicts Saxo Bank. Beijing’s largest oil supplier Russia would gladly accept the yuan to phase out the dollar in trade with China. https://www.globalresearch.ca/ascent-of-the-petro-yuan-russia-and-china-to-kneecap-petrodollar-in-2018/5623948 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post dick dasterdly Posted January 8, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted January 8, 2018 17 minutes ago, ilostmypassword said: Really? Because an awful lot of them predicted instant disaster if the Brexit referendum won. Exactly, the electorate is becoming a bit more 'savvy' as to the lies and spin fed to them by the media and politicians. Hence the shock brexit vote. Forecasts are nothing other than opinion - and everyone has been lambasted to a never ending stream of opinion (presented as fact...) - and most are tired of this. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simoh1490 Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 33 minutes ago, ilostmypassword said: Really? Because an awful lot of them predicted instant disaster if the Brexit referendum won. Oh please, history has accepted that many of Project Fears components were spot on but the timing was adrift, move on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post dick dasterdly Posted January 8, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted January 8, 2018 (edited) 9 minutes ago, simoh1490 said: Oh please, history has accepted that many of Project Fears components were spot on but the timing was adrift, move on! That's your version. The 'dooms day' forecasts were spot-on, but delayed.... edit (great spin though ) Personally, I'll never forgive or foget Osborne's promised, immediate, punishment budget in the event of a brexit vote.... Edited January 8, 2018 by dick dasterdly 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
talahtnut Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 15 hours ago, ilostmypassword said: Really? Because an awful lot of them predicted instant disaster if the Brexit referendum won. Yes, scare tactics that failed..but the government agenda is still running regardless of brexit.. And debt is mounting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naam Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 1 hour ago, ilostmypassword said: Really? Because an awful lot of them predicted instant disaster if the Brexit referendum won. a typical Brexiteer distortion because there was never any talk of instant disaster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aright Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 8 minutes ago, nauseus said: History has accepted? Wot a larf! You have a very short memory. Following the referendum don't you remember the great recession, mass unemployment, the loss of half a million jobs and the economy in tatters. Get your head out of the sand man! The only significant thing that happened was the value of the pound went down, but guess what both Remainers and Leavers knew that was going to happen so it didn't come as a great shock. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aright Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 If the EU refuses a deal, we should abandon its regulatory nonsense.............. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/01/07/eu-refuses-brexit-deal-city-should-abandon-vast-regulatory-nonsense/ Makes sense to me! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post aright Posted January 8, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted January 8, 2018 The 'no deal' Brexit Minister could show the EU it shouldn't mess Britain around As European leaders prepare to talk about their future trading relationship, their so far united front could easily break down as each member state pursues their own interests. Emmanuel Macron has expressed such fears just last week. That could leave British negotiators ready for their roughest treatment yet from Michel Barnier's team. Their only way to curb such behaviour is by pointing out that they could walk away if pushed too far. By bringing a "no deal" minister to her cabinet table, Theresa May would help her officials make that threat with conviction. Well done Theresa http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/01/08/no-deal-brexit-minister-would-show-eu-shouldnt-mess-britain/ 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
talahtnut Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 Anyone outside of the cabinet room will not know the truth..for 70? years. It would be most interesting to have cabinet meetings televised to the electorate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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aright Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 5 hours ago, sandyf said: The unelected bureaucrats known as the UK cabinet want to pick and choose their own jobs now. Of course it will all be a lot better after brexit. Theresa May’s bid to renew her Government with a Cabinet reshuffle fell flat on Monday after key minsters refused to be moved from their jobs and one walked out of her Cabinet. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/theresa-may-justine-greening-reshuffle-failure-latest-ministers-refuse-a8148846.html It's called "Politics" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
talahtnut Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 16 hours ago, aright said: Step 15, Announce that the horse is alive and well. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aright Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 Good Advice http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/01/08/new-ministers-probably-got-two-years-seven-steps-success/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simoh1490 Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 (edited) Talking of flogging dead horses I see that the World Bank has been doing some analysis and has produced a 2018 forecast for the global economy, on a country by country basis. Interesting that it has downgraded the UK to 1.4% whilst Europe is upgraded to 2.2%, Asia Pac. comes out at 6.9% for goodness sake! WB reckons the current upswing will fizzle out. Anyway, the article is helpful in that it shows relative economic strengths and weakness, even if the numbers themselves aren't 100% reliable - it's worth a read, there's a useful chart about two thirds down but only one other picture, sorry: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2018/01/09/global-economy-set-decade-gloom-world-bank-predicts-recovery/ Edited January 9, 2018 by simoh1490 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evadgib Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 Dear Evadgib, Parliament is going to debate the petition you signed – "Leave the EU immediately". https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/200165 The debate is scheduled for 22 January 2018. Once the debate has happened, we'll email you a video and transcript. Thanks, The Petitions team UK Government and Parliament 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aright Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 8 minutes ago, simoh1490 said: For the love of dear god, stop it, please! I new it would happen. Someone would eventually bring religion into the debate! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vogie Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 1 hour ago, nauseus said: I know what you said and it was as you write as: voted into office. An election is a process, yes. But being elected into office is the same outcome of an election process as being voted into office. No need to reply. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khun Han Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 Just as an aside, one of Britain's most vociferous remainer politicians has now come out with this: https://news.sky.com/story/tim-farron-i-was-a-fool-to-say-gay-sex-is-not-a-sin-11202698 My god! To think that this berk was being treated as a serious politician barely a few months ago! Happy Fairy Tales Tim. Feel free to rejoin the brexit discussions any time you want to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post evadgib Posted January 11, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted January 11, 2018 (edited) "Today (10 January 2018) we’re both in Germany to highlight the important relationship that exists between our countries. It’s a relationship built on shared interests and shared values, that has helped both our nations prosper and grow. And while the UK will leave the EU next year, we can still look to the future with a shared vision — one that sees Germany, Britain and the EU continue to thrive, and our relationship remain strong and close". https://www.gov.uk/government/news/joint-article-a-deep-and-special-partnership Edited January 11, 2018 by evadgib 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post evadgib Posted January 11, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted January 11, 2018 (edited) "International Trade Secretary Dr Liam Fox today sets out how the government’s Trade Bill will benefit businesses and consumers, as the UK progresses towards leaving the EU and shapes its own trade policy for the first time in 40 years. Dr Fox will explain during the second reading in Parliament today (Tuesday 9 January), how the bill will provide continuity and stability for businesses and consumers by creating the powers necessary to replicate existing EU trade arrangements in UK law. It will also establish a Trade Remedies Authority to take back powers from the EU to protect UK industry from unfair and injurious trading practices, such as dumping". https://www.gov.uk/government/news/trade-bill-second-reading https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/dr-liam-fox-speaks-at-the-trade-bill-second-reading Edited January 11, 2018 by evadgib 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilostmypassword Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 45 minutes ago, evadgib said: "Today (10 January 2018) we’re both in Germany to highlight the important relationship that exists between our countries. It’s a relationship built on shared interests and shared values, that has helped both our nations prosper and grow. And while the UK will leave the EU next year, we can still look to the future with a shared vision — one that sees Germany, Britain and the EU continue to thrive, and our relationship remain strong and close". https://www.gov.uk/government/news/joint-article-a-deep-and-special-partnership I can see why you quoted this. There's so much substance here and it doesn't at all resemble a view of the situation as seen through rose-colored spectacles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilostmypassword Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 8 minutes ago, evadgib said: "International Trade Secretary Dr Liam Fox today sets out how the government’s Trade Bill will benefit businesses and consumers, as the UK progresses towards leaving the EU and shapes its own trade policy for the first time in 40 years. Dr Fox will explain during the second reading in Parliament today (Tuesday 9 January), how the bill will provide continuity and stability for businesses and consumers by creating the powers necessary to replicate existing EU trade arrangements in UK law. It will also establish a Trade Remedies Authority to take back powers from the EU to protect UK industry from unfair and injurious trading practices, such as dumping". https://www.gov.uk/government/news/trade-bill-second-reading https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/dr-liam-fox-speaks-at-the-trade-bill-second-reading Now if the story had been that Liam Fox confessing to what a loss to the UK Trade with the EU will be after Brexit, that would have been news. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evadgib Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 (edited) 33 minutes ago, ilostmypassword said: I can see why you quoted this. Actually you merely guessed & followed-up by plugging your own agenda. Edited January 11, 2018 by evadgib 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilostmypassword Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 3 minutes ago, evadgib said: Actually you merely guessed & followed-up by plugging your own agenda. Well, that's because you merely didn't bother to explain why you thought such anodyne and predictable comments from political figures deserved to be singled out for quotation in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evadgib Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 16 minutes ago, ilostmypassword said: Well, that's because you merely didn't bother to explain why you thought such anodyne and predictable comments from political figures deserved to be singled out for quotation in the first place. The quote and link were self explanatory & posted without comment so as not to attract unwarranted attention from digital trapdoor spiders... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dick dasterdly Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 1 hour ago, ilostmypassword said: Now if the story had been that Liam Fox confessing to what a loss to the UK Trade with the EU will be after Brexit, that would have been news. And, of course, the loss to various EU companies of UK trade. It's becoming increasingly obvious that a deal is not 'on the cards' as German eurocrats make it ever more obvious that their only aim is to prevent any reasonable deal.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron19 Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 A large number of bickering posts between two party's have been removed. For goodness sake give it a rest or pay the penalty. You have been warned. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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