May ready for tough talks over Brexit

[Grouse]

Please to see British steel getting good news from Tata!

 

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2016/12/07/tata-unions-edge-towards-port-talbot-rescue-deal/amp/?client=safari

 

I hope Tata also manage to a deal with Thyssen Krupp and really dominate special steels. This is just the sort of area where we have the opportunity to do well! 

[SheungWan]

10 hours ago, Grouse said:

 

At l least you read it! However, not the key conclusions I drew. We will always have the poor but blue colour workers at the big problem

 

9 hours ago, jpinx said:

"blue colour workers" ????  you need to ease up on the Sangria over there.

 

He might be indirectly referring to the Bonzo Dog Doo-Dah band's rendition of the song "Can Blue Men Sing The Whites" from the album The Doughnut In Granny's Greenhouse.

 

[sandyf]

The EU's secret weapon?

 

Nigel Farage’s tunnel vision about the European Union will not change. And, since being patted on the head by Donald Trump, he sees himself more and more as a statesman, a key player in shaping the destiny of Europe. It is highly unlikely that he will stop seeking to interfere in the elections to come on the Continent. But if that actually leads to results such as the one in Austria, those who do not want to see the far right gain power may well ask themselves, “What’s not to like?”

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/nigel-farage-norbert-hofer-austria-far-right-arron-banks-european-union-a7461396.html

[dick dasterdly]

8 hours ago, SheungWan said:

 

 

He might be indirectly referring to the Bonzo Dog Doo-Dah band's rendition of the song "Can Blue Men Sing The Whites" from the album The Doughnut In Granny's Greenhouse.

 

I doubt it. We all make mistakes and its unfair to 'call out' the poster for this mistake.

[dick dasterdly]

2 hours ago, sandyf said:

The EU's secret weapon?

 

Nigel Farage’s tunnel vision about the European Union will not change. And, since being patted on the head by Donald Trump, he sees himself more and more as a statesman, a key player in shaping the destiny of Europe. It is highly unlikely that he will stop seeking to interfere in the elections to come on the Continent. But if that actually leads to results such as the one in Austria, those who do not want to see the far right gain power may well ask themselves, “What’s not to like?”

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/nigel-farage-norbert-hofer-austria-far-right-arron-banks-european-union-a7461396.html

UKIP (and Farage) eventually forced a referendum on EU membership - as it had become clear that ignoring the issue wasn't working.

 

Farage then resigned, placing himself in a similar bracket to Cameron IMO - albeit there is a difference insofar as Cameron couldn't pursue a policy with which he couldn't whole-heartedly support, and Farage was looking for an important role in the negotiations?

 

Meanwhile, little has changed, apart from UK newspaper articles saying that there will be an MPs vote in the next few days?

 

Edit - My mistake (and I PROMISE that I only read this when after posting this) I gather MPs have agreed that article 50 will be invoked?

Edited December 8, 2016 by dick dasterdly

[Grouse]

2 hours ago, dick dasterdly said:

I doubt it. We all make mistakes and its unfair to 'call out' the poster for this mistake.

 

It wasn't a mistake. It was an ironic pun on blue in the face blue collar workers or the middle class as the American's persistently misname them. ?

 

Humerous retorts though!

[7by7]

21 hours ago, jpinx said:

"blue colour workers" ????  you need to ease up on the Sangria over there.

 

Good to see the spelling police are on the ball!

[jpinx]

23 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

 

Good to see the spelling police are on the ball!

okay -- I'll bite -- how *do* you spell sandgriya ?

[sandyf]

23 hours ago, dick dasterdly said:

UKIP (and Farage) eventually forced a referendum on EU membership - as it had become clear that ignoring the issue wasn't working.

 

Farage then resigned, placing himself in a similar bracket to Cameron IMO - albeit there is a difference insofar as Cameron couldn't pursue a policy with which he couldn't whole-heartedly support, and Farage was looking for an important role in the negotiations?

 

Meanwhile, little has changed, apart from UK newspaper articles saying that there will be an MPs vote in the next few days?

 

Edit - My mistake (and I PROMISE that I only read this when after posting this) I gather MPs have agreed that article 50 will be invoked?

I am obviously missing something, but I fail to see the relationship between your comments and the vote in Austria.

[Khun Han]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38258976

 

Conservatives win Sleaford by election, with UKIP second.

 

Using the same logic that was being argued by some in the discussions about the Richmond by election, this is a ringing endorsment of the government's brexit policy, and UKIP is now the Opposition party .

[Orac]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38258976
 
Conservatives win Sleaford by election, with UKIP second.
 
Using the same logic that was being argued by some in the discussions about the Richmond by election, this is a ringing endorsment of the government's brexit policy, and UKIP is now the Opposition party .

Not necessarily - it was a strong, Conservative seat before hand and voted heavily for leave in the referendum so hardly a surprising result.

The interesting bit would be the change in share of the vote where both the Tories and UKIP having a smaller share than the previous election with over a 2% drop in support and the LibDems gaining over a 5% increase from the previous result.

[Khun Han]

1 hour ago, Orac said:

 

Not necessarily - it was a strong, Conservative seat before hand and voted heavily for leave in the referendum so hardly a surprising result.

The interesting bit would be the change in share of the vote where both the Tories and UKIP having a smaller share than the previous election with over a 2% drop in support and the LibDems gaining over a 5% increase from the previous result.

 

 

It was a joke. But congratulations for being the first poster to put a serious spin on the result .

[Orac]

Apologies - when you brought it up I thought you wanted to discuss the result.

Personally I was quite pleased with the result particularly seeing the far-right UKIP candidate get such a poor response given they threw the kitchen sink at it and claimed they had a chance of winning.

[evadgib]

UKIP went for and achieved second place.

[Orac]

UKIP went for and achieved second place.

They were claiming they had a chance of winning it and put up an ex National Front candidate who got a smaller percentage of the vote than they did in 2015.

[evadgib]

I had insufficient interest to follow the build up or study the candidate.

[SheungWan]

29 minutes ago, evadgib said:

I had insufficient interest to follow the build up or study the candidate.

 

Let me kindly assist you across the road. Sleaford is the type of constituency where all the candidates begin to resemble Alan Partridge.

[evadgib]

They voted out which is OK by me :)

[SheungWan]

23 minutes ago, SheungWan said:

 

Let me kindly assist you across the road. Sleaford is the type of constituency where all the candidates begin to resemble Alan Partridge.

 

10 minutes ago, evadgib said:

They voted out which is OK by me :)

 

A-ha! Hello Alan.

[rockingrobin]

Potential new legal challenge in Irish High Court.

However what was curious is the claim notification as already been given. The UK government sees the referendum as the decision and following T May conference speech she told D Tusk in October the UK is leaving the UK. 

Is there a requirement for the intention to withdraw to be in written form

 

[Khun Han]

1 hour ago, rockingrobin said:

Potential new legal challenge in Irish High Court.

However what was curious is the claim notification as already been given. The UK government sees the referendum as the decision and following T May conference speech she told D Tusk in October the UK is leaving the UK. 

Is there a requirement for the intention to withdraw to be in written form

 

 

I'm sure somebody, somewhere, can find something that can somehow be interpreted to that effect. But they're not trying so stop brexit. Oh no. They're only interested in seeing due legal process being followed. 

[evadgib]

This legal mumbo jumbo reminds me of that line from Hotel California; 'You can checkout but never leave'.

 

We're more 'out' than Michael Barrymore & he ironically wishes he was back in! :)

[SheungWan]

In the event of failure to either argue the legal argument or even follow it, break glass and attack the motivation. A very special forum Brexiteer mumbo jumbo of its very own.

[evadgib]

Banter and humour are perfectly acceptable but you seem to be heading elsewhere. I won't be coming with you.

[rockingrobin]

2 hours ago, rockingrobin said:

Potential new legal challenge in Irish High Court.

However what was curious is the claim notification as already been given. The UK government sees the referendum as the decision and following T May conference speech she told D Tusk in October the UK is leaving the UK. 

Is there a requirement for the intention to withdraw to be in written form

 

 

1 hour ago, Khun Han said:

 

I'm sure somebody, somewhere, can find something that can somehow be interpreted to that effect. But they're not trying so stop brexit. Oh no. They're only interested in seeing due legal process being followed. 

June 26th Eu confirms written notification not required , a statement would be sufficient.

'  The European council has confirmed that notification does not have to be in writing, but could be in the form of a formal statement to the summit – so Cameron had better be careful about what exactly he says. '

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/26/who-will-dare-pull-trigger-article-50-eu

 

Oct 20th 

On arrival, Mrs May said: "The UK is leaving the EU, but we will continue to play a full role until we leave and we will be a strong and dependable partner after we have left."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/21/theresa-may-to-hold-talks-with-jean-claude-juncker-after-series/

 

If the government is correct about the royal prerogative then the clock might be ticking

[SheungWan]

1 hour ago, rockingrobin said:

 

June 26th Eu confirms written notification not required , a statement would be sufficient.

'  The European council has confirmed that notification does not have to be in writing, but could be in the form of a formal statement to the summit – so Cameron had better be careful about what exactly he says. '

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/26/who-will-dare-pull-trigger-article-50-eu

 

Oct 20th 

On arrival, Mrs May said: "The UK is leaving the EU, but we will continue to play a full role until we leave and we will be a strong and dependable partner after we have left."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/21/theresa-may-to-hold-talks-with-jean-claude-juncker-after-series/

 

If the government is correct about the royal prerogative then the clock might be ticking

 

The government's clock stopped the moment the High Court deliberated.

[Srikcir]

Plans to allow British nationals to retain their EU citizenship after Brexit are to form part of the European parliament’s negotiating position. The “associate citizenship” status, plans for which were first revealed in The Times, would give those who adopt it the right to freedom of movement and residence throughout the EU as well as the right to vote for a representative in the European parliament.

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/britons-will-be-offered-chance-to-keep-their-eu-citizenship-m6zrjsk29

[Loeilad]

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[evadgib]

1 hour ago, Srikcir said:

Plans to allow British nationals to retain their EU citizenship after Brexit are to form part of the European parliament’s negotiating position. The “associate citizenship” status, plans for which were first revealed in The Times, would give those who adopt it the right to freedom of movement and residence throughout the EU as well as the right to vote for a representative in the European parliament.

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/britons-will-be-offered-chance-to-keep-their-eu-citizenship-m6zrjsk29

This would blow HMG's 'No new agreements since 1981'  out of the water re frozen pensions therefore bring it on :)

[SheungWan]

Brexit existential nightmare including the Dangerous Dogs Act; https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/dec/08/supreme-court-existential-nightmare-brexit