Young children suffering due to being pushed too hard in school: psychiatrist

[Ace of Pop]

- "Yes they did get a smack in the ear mow n then.but done O.K" -
 
wish one could say the same for their Dad...."It's not hard to see Scott has teached for 20 years"

I didn't want my kids to be taught by the Entitled Era ,I realize you had no choosing,indoctrination by State System ,iwas indoctrinated by the Capitalist get of yer arse n get rich mob[emoji471][emoji954][emoji1009]


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[Bluespunk]

24 minutes ago, Ace of Pop said:

I did consider it once But decided to be well of later on in life so I got a real job


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Everyone's a winner then. Especially the children. 

[cumgranosalum]

17 minutes ago, Ace of Pop said:

I didn't want my kids to be taught by the Entitled Era ,I realize you had no choosing,indoctrination by State System ,iwas indoctrinated by the Capitalist get of yer arse n get rich mob


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It's you I find disturbing - From your posts I would say you aren't really in a position to make any informed judgements about eduction at all.

 

" I got a real job" -????

Edited October 25, 2016 by cumgranosalum

[Caveat Emptor]

 I once was acquainted with a lady who worked in one of the supposedly better language schools in Bkk and being of Thai-American parentage was fluently bilingual so took children's classes.

At the start of one school holiday she heard a couple of mothers discussing just how many classes they'd enrolled their children in during the holiday and was appalled by them because it was obvious from the way they were talking they simply didn't want the children around during the holiday period and all the classes were an obvious solution.

[Ace of Pop]

I bow to your years of worldly years ,but why are you here earning peanuts when in the world U Get Paid.


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[hawker9000]

14 hours ago, cumgranosalum said:

looks like you're a bit short on comprehension there.

'Looks like one of us is...

[Wilsonandson]

Dr Benjaporn Tuntasood, who is based at Manarom Hospital and runs the child psychology fanpage “Kendekthai” on Facebook, said more children were now studying too early and too much. 
“I have observed that not only do many children enter school at very young ages, sometime only two years old, but they are also made to study very hard on difficult academic lessons. This is not good at all for the development of young children,” Benjaporn said.

It's called preschool and has been around for years.
Where has this guy been?
Wakes up and see a 2 year old in uniform getting on a school mini van. "OMG, this is terrible!"
This is world wide and has been going on for decades. I myself went to preschool at 2 years old. We studied Barney the dinosaur and painted with our hands. We got told stories and sang songs. Then we went home with mummy. Isn't this what happens now or has Thailand preschool suddenly changed into a Japanese warcamp scenario?
Burk!

[Pouatchee]

Maybe the problem is the parents trying to find a cheap alternative to daycare... or simply they don't want to take care of their "burdensome offspring". Either way the reality will never be known because the professor who came up with this research probably had nothing to discuss and had to justify his or her position at the faculty...

 

Thai master's degrees and Phd's aren't worth the paper they are printed on.

[Bluespunk]

On 25 October 2016 at 2:46 PM, Ace of Pop said:

I bow to your years of worldly years ,but why are you here earning peanuts when in the world U Get Paid.


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Peanuts?

 

Don't really enjoy the ones sold here.

 

However the ones you get in business class on emirates as a snack are quite nice. 

[Wilsonandson]

So how much do Teachers get here ?.I know so heaven help em when they are pension age.Must admit I'm anti Ferang .Spotty 25 ish drunks in all my time here the majority have been Bums except for real Uni Standard educators on real salaries


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Depends
Some start off in the 25-27 range and some get upto 120 K per month. All depends on a few conditions.

[Bluespunk]

13 minutes ago, Ace of Pop said:

So how much do Teachers get here ?.I know so heaven help em when they are pension age.Must admit I'm anti Ferang .Spotty 25 ish drunks in all my time here the majority have been Bums except for real Uni Standard educators on real salaries


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Oh my salary is very real and my retirement will be very comfortable indeed. 

[Ace of Pop]

Depends
Some start off in the 25-27 range and some get upto 120 K per month. All depends on a few conditions.

Fortunately very strict at last.so perhaps the kids won't suffer mongers anymore


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[maewang99]

when you hear the word 'Thai' in many everyday contexts you should append the word "educated" right after it... the Thai definition of educated... not the universal definition. it is so deeply imbued that it's probably more than just somewhat true for most of the elite private schools as well... don't think the usual way about that word... the 'education' word. i.e. 'farlang (and many other 'kinds' of foreigners) cannot understand Thai'.... because we didn't attend school here for our first 20 years or so. but we do. if you open your eyes. not all of us do or can in that it's the main lawful wage employment, and one year automatic 'government to government' visa, for many expats.

Edited October 27, 2016 by maewang99

[Puwa]

On 10/23/2016 at 8:43 PM, Keesters said:

 

Dr Benjaporn Tuntasood has now had his 1 minute of fame. Moving on.

 

 

Benjaporn is a woman's name, and indeed the Doctor is a lady.

 

I'm glad to see young specialists like her trying to educate the public about child development and parenting. This is how things begin to change. Maybe she will become a pioneer and leader in this field.  Remember, likely Thai parents of young children are themselves barely 30, so things like "child psychology fanpages" are normal for them and they know how to use them to find information, seek help, whatever. 

 

In a similar vein, rakluke.com is a great resource in Thai on all matters related to parenting. Probably really helpful for thai/farang couples where the farang partner would like to introduce new ideas about raising children.

[cumgranosalum]

3 hours ago, maewang99 said:

when you hear the word 'Thai' in many everyday contexts you should append the word "educated" right after it... the Thai definition of educated... not the universal definition. it is so deeply imbued that it's probably more than just somewhat true for most of the elite private schools as well... don't think the usual way about that word... the 'education' word. i.e. 'farlang (and many other 'kinds' of foreigners) cannot understand Thai'.... because we didn't attend school here for our first 20 years or so. but we do. if you open your eyes. not all of us do or can in that it's the main lawful wage employment, and one year automatic 'government to government' visa, for many expats.

What??

[tukkytuktuk]

Dr Benjaporn Tuntasood, who is based at Manarom Hospital and runs the child psychology fanpage “Kendekthai” on Facebook, said more children were now studying too early and too much. 
“I have observed that not only do many children enter school at very young ages, sometime only two years old, but they are also made to study very hard on difficult academic lessons. This is not good at all for the development of young children,” Benjaporn said.

It's called preschool and has been around for years.
Where has this guy been?
Wakes up and see a 2 year old in uniform getting on a school mini van. "OMG, this is terrible!"
This is world wide and has been going on for decades. I myself went to preschool at 2 years old. We studied Barney the dinosaur and painted with our hands. We got told stories and sang songs. Then we went home with mummy. Isn't this what happens now or has Thailand preschool suddenly changed into a Japanese warcamp scenario?
Burk!
Burk! Defaming the good doctor?

[cumgranosalum]

13 minutes ago, tukkytuktuk said:

It's called preschool and has been around for years.
Where has this guy been?
Wakes up and see a 2 year old in uniform getting on a school mini van. "OMG, this is terrible!"
This is world wide and has been going on for decades. I myself went to preschool at 2 years old. We studied Barney the dinosaur and painted with our hands. We got told stories and sang songs. Then we went home with mummy. Isn't this what happens now or has Thailand preschool suddenly changed into a Japanese warcamp scenario?
Burk!
Burk! Defaming the good doctor?

If you read the evidence there is a lot to suggest that pre-school is not educationally sound - e.g. in Finland and other Scandinavian countries where kids start schooling at 6 or 7.

the point is that "pushing" is really about keeping kids in a "school" environment for too long.

[Wilsonandson]

If you read the evidence there is a lot to suggest that pre-school is not educationally sound - e.g. in Finland and other Scandinavian countries where kids start schooling at 6 or 7.
the point is that "pushing" is really about keeping kids in a "school" environment for too long.

Yes, making young children sit behind a desk all day is not healthy. Some preschools are like that but the majority have indoor play rooms, swimming pools, outdoor playgrounds, arts and craft fun, dancing, toys, etc.. So? Maybe sat at home with mum playing on a mobile phone and reading Big C magazine until 6-7 years old might be less creative.

[jing jing]

Preschool is really more daycare than anything else - a boon for working parents unable to afford a full time nanny.  Rather than academics, the focus at that age should be on activities designed to foster good social behavior.  Most kids just aren't ready for academics before age 6 or 7.

 

My 2 children were born in Bangkok.  They both did anuban 1-3 plus prathom 1 and 2 at private schools here in the Kingdom, all of it in the Thai curriculum.   When they were 7 and 8 years old we moved to California, and they began 2nd and 3rd grade in a well regarded local public school district.

 

I wasn't too surprised that after their early math classes in Thai, where they were exposed to multiplication and division problems with large numbers way before their American counterparts, they are now both at the top of their classes in math.  If there is any subject where memorization and repetition lead to proficiency, it's math, and that is where the Asian/Thai model has its advantages.

 

Where the Thai system really fails in comparison to the West is in placing a high priority on the development of critical thinking skills.  To succeed in the latest American school curriculum, kids are required to explain their reasoning, i.e., HOW they got their answer.  This quickly separates the thinkers from the copiers.  The Thai system, in contrast, stresses rote memorization, which is very time consuming but produces none of the creative thinking ability that gets you into Harvard, MIT, or even UCLA for that matter.  Career opportunities in the international arena will be virtually nonexistent as a result.

 

In reality, all those extra classes and tutoring sessions Thai parents put their kids into are more important for a) building face and avoiding the responsibility of helping their own kids with homework than for actually advancing the kids' education.

 

 

 

 

[tukkytuktuk]

Preschool is really more daycare than anything else - a boon for working parents unable to afford a full time nanny.  Rather than academics, the focus at that age should be on activities designed to foster good social behavior.  Most kids just aren't ready for academics before age 6 or 7.
 
My 2 children were born in Bangkok.  They both did anuban 1-3 plus prathom 1 and 2 at private schools here in the Kingdom, all of it in the Thai curriculum.   When they were 7 and 8 years old we moved to California, and they began 2nd and 3rd grade in a well regarded local public school district.
 
I wasn't too surprised that after their early math classes in Thai, where they were exposed to multiplication and division problems with large numbers way before their American counterparts, they are now both at the top of their classes in math.  If there is any subject where memorization and repetition lead to proficiency, it's math, and that is where the Asian/Thai model has its advantages.
 
Where the Thai system really fails in comparison to the West is in placing a high priority on the development of critical thinking skills.  To succeed in the latest American school curriculum, kids are required to explain their reasoning, i.e., HOW they got their answer.  This quickly separates the thinkers from the copiers.  The Thai system, in contrast, stresses rote memorization, which is very time consuming but produces none of the creative thinking ability that gets you into Harvard, MIT, or even UCLA for that matter.  Career opportunities in the international arena will be virtually nonexistent as a result.
 
In reality, all those extra classes and tutoring sessions Thai parents put their kids into are more important for a) building face and avoiding the responsibility of helping their own kids with homework than for actually advancing the kids' education.
 
 
 
 

Well as you point out Thai's and 'Asians in general' are better at math than westerners due to being taught complicated math at an early age. It seems that this was a wise decision to make for the Thai education system and a wise decision for the Chinese education system too. Both having stable economies and projected growth, opposite to the Western economies which are stagnant and depreciating.

[cumgranosalum]

7 hours ago, tukkytuktuk said:

Well as you point out Thai's and 'Asians in general' are better at math than westerners due to being taught complicated math at an early age. It seems that this was a wise decision to make for the Thai education system and a wise decision for the Chinese education system too. Both having stable economies and projected growth, opposite to the Western economies which are stagnant and depreciating.

That is not true - it is a highly blinkered assessment of "better at Math"

[cumgranosalum]

9 hours ago, Wilsonandson said:

Yes, making young children sit behind a desk all day is not healthy. Some preschools are like that but the majority have indoor play rooms, swimming pools, outdoor playgrounds, arts and craft fun, dancing, toys, etc.. So? Maybe sat at home with mum playing on a mobile phone and reading Big C magazine until 6-7 years old might be less creative.

Parental role in education is largely unappreciated by parents. There is also the problem with education that "everyone is an expert" - presumably because they "went to school and it didn't do them any harm".

people also don't appreciate what and how young children learn and the rapid and massive changes that are undergone in early years. These are not necessarily best addressed by schooling - although some results may be achieved that are interpreted incorrectly by parents as being "a good thing". For instance the security of being with mother - even if she's playing on the phone - may be psychologically less damaging than wrenched away and inculcated with unnecessary behavioural codes and rules the child does not require at the time.

 

the classic example of this is the parents who worry about their children's formation of past simple that suddenly seems to regress - whereas what is actually happening is the child is moving from mimicry to understanding formation of the verb.

 

parents frequently mistake "academic achievement" for real development....and therefore the converse also applies

 

Edited October 28, 2016 by cumgranosalum

[RawboneFunksta]

There are numerous stories of young children being forced into an academic context even at weekends. Students in Thai schools may not learn much (if the armchair educationalists here are to be believed) but they certainly spend many of their waking hours studying in school, extra classes and with private tutors. They are often tired and fed up of studying. The report holds water.

[Johnniey]

Psychiatrists in this country are WELL behind the West. I'd say about 40 years.

[Jeremy50]

Really?  The students at my school bring nothing to the classroom, learn nothing in the classroom, and take nothing from the classroom.