Inspire Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 Excesses at Thai festivals – time to rein in Songkran, in honor of the Royal Father One of my earliest memories in Thailand was in the mid-eighties being asked by some Thai friends if I wanted to go to the grounds of Chulalongkorn University to experience the Loy Krathong festival. Of course I jumped at the chance as I had heard about this charming festival that looked so beautiful and calm on the full moon night under the stars– it would surely be a wonderful opportunity to enjoy Thai culture up close and personal. Full of anticipated joy I set off into the Bangkok night. But I was lucky I didn’t get an eye put out. Myself and my friends found ourselves caught in the crossfire between two rival groups of students who thought it was fun to be aiming firework rockets at each other. I was hit in the stomach and the gunpowder that spilled from the as yet unexhausted projectile burnt a neat hole in my shirt and my skin underneath. I vowed not to go out on this occasion again; while I did not keep to that promise I did make every effort later in my life in Thailand to promote the festival according to the values that I thought it had started to lose by 1985. I was not alone in the 1980s. Many Thais were already saying that the festival had become outrageous. At the time it probably had a worse name than Songkran though that was soon to change. Newspapers were full of reports of hooligan like behaviour at Loy Krathong as commentators bemoaned the loss of “the good old days” of gentility and respect that the festival was known for. The Bangkok Authorities did act however. The festival was banned in all city parks as much because of the drunken revelry as the huge amount of mess that was created in the lakes and klongs. Focus shifted to the Chao Praya river – at least all the garbage would flow away with the traditional flowery boats and the troubles of their erstwhile owners who floated them. It was more than ten years before I ventured out again on a full moon night in November – and enjoyed a night at Bangkok Patana School where I was working as a Thai teacher. In 1998 when I took on the job of Head of Thai at Harrow International School I decided that my department’s big day of the year would celebrate Thai culture on Loy Krathong day. Most of the school shut down for the full moon day usually in November as we showcased not just Loy Krathong activities but many wonderful aspects of Thai culture and tradition. The children – both Thai and foreign – made Krathongs in their classes to the sound of Thai music, enjoyed Thai food made by willing parents, went to shows where they saw their peers sing and dance and perform. Even outside acts were hired to inspire them. No fireworks. Nothing nasty. All on my terms – an Englishman in Bangkok who wanted the festival back as it should be. I was allowed to do what I wanted. I did, after all know best (he says modestly!). We organized this up until my retirement from the school in 2013. In 2006 before a cultural show in front of 500 children and parents that I had scripted and choreographed, I got everyone going by making a video shown on a giant screen of me pretending to have forgotten about the show and be late. When the video ended I burst into the auditorium on my 400cc Honda Steed, did a circuit and to roars of approval ended up on the stage to begin compering the show. Full story: http://www.inspirepattaya.com/lifestyle/excesses-thai-festivals-time-rein-songkran-honor-royal-father/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
English 1 Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 All these so called Festivals are these days just an excuse to get totally drunk and behave .... as Drunks do! I particularly home in on Song Gran and like many I either stay indoors of get out of Thailand during that mayhem and ROAD SLAUGHTER! Of course as we know Thailand is in mourning for a year so I imagine ALL that Water nonsense will be banned along with Kratong and Fireworks etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawker9000 Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 (edited) Great idea. Songkran used to be a charming tradition, but has evolved into an excuse for assault. It's particularly embarrassing that weak-minded westerners show up and exploit it for their own perverted gratification. This next time around they may just get it handed to them... Edited October 30, 2016 by hawker9000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lamkyong Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 5 hours ago, English 1 said: All these so called Festivals are these days just an excuse to get totally drunk and behave .... as Drunks do! I particularly home in on Song Gran and like many I either stay indoors of get out of Thailand during that mayhem and ROAD SLAUGHTER! Of course as we know Thailand is in mourning for a year so I imagine ALL that Water nonsense will be banned along with Kratong and Fireworks etc. Song Gran is this the senior citizens bash ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkey4u Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 Return Songkran to the way it was. This country does not need people too drunk to stand, driving around with loud music wasting a precious commodity in the middle of summer At my house we just stay inside and hope the noise abates quickly, the inlaws do the same Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balo Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 I hope they cancel all the festivals this year and in 2017 . Maybe we can get some peace . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deepinthailand Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 Cracking so apt grumpy old Farangs uses sad passing of father King to try and push there own agenda on Thais. Absolute classic luckily enough there voices will not be heard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lamkyong Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 30 minutes ago, balo said: I hope they cancel all the festivals this year and in 2017 . Maybe we can get some peace . bah humbug !!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zorro1 Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 Reign it in to 48 hours, I think currently Pattaya goes for 7days, why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chicowoodduck Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 Ban Songkran in Pattaya? ? Oh oh my Buddha, that would save me a ton of money because no two weeks vacation away from Lieland just for that festival of drunks and knobs.....??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The manic Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 There are lots of other celebrations- what will happen to them if music and fireworks are banned? Bun Bang Fai comes to mind as does the 9 God's festival in Phuket. I too leave Thailand During Songkran but I attend as many of the others as possible. The upcoming year is looking a tad dull. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgrahmm Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 We happened to be traveling last year at Songkran..... We spent the night in Kamphaeng Phet & it was great....Nicely spirited water & chalk celebration....No staggering farang drunks blasting with iced water.....Everybody having a good spirited time....Big water slides into the river & people were smiling, relaxed, and happy....Didn't have to knock drunks like flies away from my 15 year old daughter & she didn't feel defensive.....She was noticed by guys her age and it was more comfortable for her.... Fireworks after dark to enjoy.....Lot's of loud music... Much nicer than the drunken mass mess CM experiences..... The traditional ways would be much nicer restored.... We will probably celebrate there for a few days now......It had a good vibe..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williamgeorgeallen Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 1 hour ago, zorro1 said: Reign it in to 48 hours, I think currently Pattaya goes for 7days, why? because it is a ton of fun. i think my 5 year old son has just as much fun as i do. just because you dont like it dont begrudge our fun. you chooses to live here so accept it. is a boost for the economy as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lamkyong Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 i agree with the fun aspect for children but i am not quite sure how it boosts the economy as household/personal debt seems to be on the up but i expect someone will enlighten me as to the plus side Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannork Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 I don't think they can stop the water throwing throughout Thailand. They could tone down the official parades but when you think that nearly everybody goes back to their village in the worst of the heat, they're drunk too and the kids have got water guns. Inevitably water throwing will occur imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanemax Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 46 minutes ago, williamgeorgeallen said: because it is a ton of fun. i think my 5 year old son has just as much fun as i do. just because you dont like it dont begrudge our fun. you chooses to live here so accept it. is a boost for the economy as well. But those of us who have grown out of water fights, have to either participate or stay at home . Maybe one afternoon of water fights would be a laugh, but the joke soon wears thin after four days . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williamgeorgeallen Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 28 minutes ago, sanemax said: But those of us who have grown out of water fights, have to either participate or stay at home . Maybe one afternoon of water fights would be a laugh, but the joke soon wears thin after four days . yea, actually i agree a couple days is more than enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Travel2003 Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 Don't want to hijack the tread and change subject, but since we talk about festivals or celebrations..... I noticed many outlets in the Kingdom have advertised about their upcoming big Halloween celebration/party tomorrow. In the light of the recent very sad news, this is within the rules????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony5 Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 It is the problem with Thai Buddhism, or may be Buddhism as a whole. The religion requires them not to show their emotions, so at one point they break loose, and can't control themselves anymore. This is not only reflected in their behaviour when celebrating, but also on the road and in the murder rates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zorro1 Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 because it is a ton of fun. i think my 5 year old son has just as much fun as i do. just because you dont like it dont begrudge our fun. you chooses to live here so accept it. is a boost for the economy as well.I don't begrudge it, and it's great you and your boy have a great time but the loss of life accross thailand is not acceptable.. Except maybe for you. How much water can you squirt and not get brain dead bored, even for a 5 year old. 2days is perfect and probably cut the road toll in halfAnd how does drinking beer and squirting water boost the economy? The amount of criticaly injured in hospitals would be a huge drain on the economy if anything Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enoon Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 3 hours ago, pgrahmm said: We happened to be traveling last year at Songkran..... We spent the night in Kamphaeng Phet & it was great....Nicely spirited water & chalk celebration....No staggering farang drunks blasting with iced water.....Everybody having a good spirited time....Big water slides into the river & people were smiling, relaxed, and happy....Didn't have to knock drunks like flies away from my 15 year old daughter & she didn't feel defensive.....She was noticed by guys her age and it was more comfortable for her.... Fireworks after dark to enjoy.....Lot's of loud music... Much nicer than the drunken mass mess CM experiences..... The traditional ways would be much nicer restored.... We will probably celebrate there for a few days now......It had a good vibe..... My friend was also there, as an alternative to Pattaya. He liked it too. Until it turned a bit nasty: Gun battle at Songkran celebration in the north - residents flee ... www.thaivisa.com › Forum Home › Thailand Local Forums › Central Thailand Forum 15 Apr 2016 - Gun battle at Songkran celebration in the north - residents flee in terror. Image: Thairath KAMPHAENGPHET: Residents in downtown ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSJPC Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 I think by Songkran next April in 5 more months people should be allowed to have some fun... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deepinthailand Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 4 hours ago, Anthony5 said: 4 hours ago, Anthony5 said: It is the problem with Thai Buddhism, or may be Buddhism as a whole. The religion requires them not to show their emotions, so at one point they break loose, and can't control themselves anymore. This is not only reflected in their behaviour when celebrating, but also on the road and in the murder rates. Buddhism is not a religion for a start. Thais show a lot of emotions in every day life. to suggest they suddenly break and can not control themselves is laughable Thais have more self control than most other countries I have visited. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbbbooboo Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 It's just a pity these festivals which have become exhibitions of dangerous stupidity can't be abolished forever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawker9000 Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 12 hours ago, Deepinthailand said: Cracking so apt grumpy old Farangs uses sad passing of father King to try and push there own agenda on Thais. Absolute classic luckily enough there voices will not be heard. Go ahead, junior, and try your violence this next time around, and see who comes up in need of a hearing test... Now THAT will be entertainment! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanemax Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 I wonder how many Thais actually like Songkran ? If I were to walk around tomorrow, throwing buckets of ice cold or dirty water over people , I wonder what the reaction would be . Would everyone start laughing ? I would quite probably end up arguing, fighting with people and then get arrested , thrown into jail and probably a mental hospital . Why is it acceptable on some days and not others ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deepinthailand Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 3 hours ago, hawker9000 said: Go ahead, junior, and try your violence this next time around, and see who comes up in need of a hearing test... Now THAT will be entertainment! What are you on about. to many chang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawker9000 Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 2 hours ago, Deepinthailand said: What are you on about. to many chang 'Seems you're actually the one having trouble focusing. Yeah, the attention span is the first thing to go. No wonder the dysfunctional attitude toward Songkran. Yours has apparently already started! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannork Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 6 hours ago, sanemax said: I wonder how many Thais actually like Songkran ? If I were to walk around tomorrow, throwing buckets of ice cold or dirty water over people , I wonder what the reaction would be . Would everyone start laughing ? I would quite probably end up arguing, fighting with people and then get arrested , thrown into jail and probably a mental hospital . Why is it acceptable on some days and not others ? Because it's the hottest time of the year! Why do you think Christmas day is celebrated on Dec 25th? Because it's Santa' Claus' s birthday. 555 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deepinthailand Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 3 hours ago, hawker9000 said: 'Seems you're actually the one having trouble focusing. Yeah, the attention span is the first thing to go. No wonder the dysfunctional attitude toward Songkran. Yours has apparently already started! Several to many chang I would get yourself to bed now old man. and when you wake up sober please explain what is my dysfunctional attitude towards Songkran? !!!!! I remindyou of my post where does it mention Songkran or any festival!!!! Cracking so apt grumpy old Farangs uses sad passing of father King to try and push there own agenda on Thais. Absolute classic luckily enough there voices will not be heard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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