SURVEY: Did the US elect the right person as President?

[csabo]

On 11/13/2016 at 10:41 PM, Thakkar said:

 

I agree that the US is drowning in corporate interests. So the solution is to elect a corporate CEO?

 

Brilliant! CUt out the middleman! Let them rule directly!

 

wait, wut??

 

Actually yes. A CEO would be better than an lifelong politician known to be in the pocket of banks and corporations and war profiteers. Again I never said he would be better but he will be different. The status quo politicians in the US need to be pushed out. I have not stated my position yet for the record but will now. I am not pro Trump but I am extremely anti Clinton. 

Edited November 15, 2016 by csabo

[tropo]

1 minute ago, csabo said:

 

Actually yes. A CEO would be better than an lifelong politician know to be in the pocket of banks and corporations. Again I never said he would be better but he will be different. The status quo politicians in the US need to be pushed out. I have not satiated my position yet for the record but will now. I am not pro Trump but I am extremely anti Clinton. 

 

It's incredible that so many people who say positive things about Trump are shy to come out and admit they are supporters. They have to add footnotes such as "I'm not a Trump supporter", "I'm not pro-Trump", "I didn't vote for Trump".

 

[csabo]

2 hours ago, Publicus said:

 

Seems Trump has a private position and a public position on each thing he says, or virtually each thing he says, which sounds virtually not virtuous. Next thing is he might start quoting HRC who'd anyway been quoting Lincoln.

 

Speaking of Abe, he freed the slaves while preserving the Union. Trump is instead preserving racism while freeing the racists. Republican Party has come full circle, i.e., it is now closed up and inside itself. 

 

Pretzel politics and government. 

 

Be careful when citing Lincolns achievements. The truth and the legend are not one in the same.

 

http://www.history.com/news/5-things-you-may-not-know-about-lincoln-slavery-and-emancipation

 

Even the Bible advocates slavery (if you believe in such texts)

 

Slavery also continues to exist in many parts of the world including Thailand an example being Burmese immigrants held captive on Thai fishing boats.

 

Me me being a free thinker I do not support any non criminal man or women being held captive against their will nor do I support any organization, government or worse yet religion that advocates such inhumanity either in modern times or ancient texts.

Edited November 15, 2016 by csabo

[csabo]

11 minutes ago, tropo said:

It's incredible that so many people who say positive things about Trump are shy to come out and admit they are supporters. They have to add footnotes such as "I'm not a Trump supporter", "I'm not pro-Trump", "I didn't vote for Trump".

 

 

How would you like me to say it sir? I thought the truth would suffice. She is a criminal. I know people who actually know her and what she is really like. You want more? Trump is a jerk. He's a loud mouth, he lacks all the finesse a world leader should have, he will make glorious mistakes as POTUS. I am not a Trump supporter. You can believe what you want. I assure you one thing. She is the Anti-Christ.

[Shawn0000]

1 hour ago, Si Thea01 said:

 

 

You seem to know everything about the election and who should be there and who shouldn't, why don't you pass on your knowledge and wisdom to the 60 million deplorables who voted for him.  I be embarrassed if I wrote some of the things the left I going on with, the guy is not even in office yet.  Are you able to explain why the Republicans were able to in the senate and congress plus presidency, three out of three ain't bad I'd say. 

 

Will the illegal immigrants be deported en mass, will the wall be built, will he impose huge tariffs on Chinese imports, will he change libel law so to effectively silence the press, will he give the richest 0.1% the biggest tax breaks, will he ban Muslims entering the US, will he "bomb the shit out of ISIS", will he legalize LGBTQ discrimination and will he repeal Obama Care?

 

In your previous post you claimed that it was obvious to any intelligent person who voted for him which were his true objectives and which were just campaign rhetoric, so which is which, I have no idea but I don't like the sound of any of them anyway.

 

And in answer to your own question, yes I am, it's pretty damn simple, he was up against Hillary Clinton.

[pgrahmm]

4 minutes ago, tropo said:

It's incredible that so many people who say positive things about Trump are shy to come out and admit they are supporters. They have to add footnotes such as "I'm not a Trump supporter", "I'm not pro-Trump", "I didn't vote for Trump".

 

 

Personally, I thought he always had a chance....By the time the election rolled around I thought he'd win it....

 

After reviewing what both brought to the table, including histories, I found myself unable to vote for a Clinton - my conscience would never have let me....Coupled with the fact it was more of what we've just endured for 8 years - nothing but pablum offered....

I think he has an opportunity to do great things if he takes the country's best interests to heart....He has a chance to have a Reagan-esqe type presidency.....He already has a larger than life persona + a huge work ethic....

 

I wish him the best.....He's got a big, fractured mess to clean up......In 4 or 8 years the hopelessness can be gone & a blueprint for success laid out.....

Of course - the other side will come along somewhere  & muck it up ..... Somehow....

[Publicus]

49 minutes ago, tropo said:

These guys keep going on about the public vote differential. It's meaningless.

 

The contest had rules. Trump played by the rules to ensure he won. i.e. He campaigned tirelessly where he had the most chance of winning the electoral college.

 

Had the popular vote been the determining factor, he would have won that too.

 

Why?

 

1. He would have done a lot more campaigning in the most populous states such as California and New York. He didn't campaign much in those states as the chances of winning them were low and it would have been a losing strategy to win the electoral college.

 

2. In states such as California and New York, most smart Republican supporters had better things to do with their time than queuing up to vote when they knew they would lose anyway. If the popular vote was the decider, millions more Republicans would have gone out to vote in the solid blue states.

 

I also believe that if another Democrat had been the nominee, Trump would have won by an even wider margin. As it was, Clinton had mindless female voters in the bag. i.e. female voters who were only interested in a female becoming president and didn't care about anything else. That Trump won about 42% of the female vote is quite incredible.

 

Pulp fiction.

 

 

These guys keep going on about the public vote differential. It's meaningless.

 

Clinical denial. 

[tropo]

18 minutes ago, csabo said:

 

How would you like me to say it sir? I thought the truth would suffice. She is a criminal. I know people who actually know her and what she is really like. You want more? Trump is a jerk. He's a loud mouth, he lacks all the finesse a world leader should have, he will make glorious mistakes as POTUS. I am not a Trump supporter. You can believe what you want. I assure you one thing. She is the Anti-Christ.

 

Don't take it too personally sir. You're not alone - there are many other closet Trump supporters on here.

[Dtrump]

13 minutes ago, Publicus said:

 

Pulp fiction.

 

 

These guys keep going on about the public vote differential. It's meaningless.

 

Clinical denial. 

You wrote a few hours ago, "

 

The Electoral College favors Ma and Pa Kettle and this election further proves it.

 

Former SecState Clinton is winning the Popular Vote which continues to be counted due to absentee ballots (such as my own and probably those of others here) and provisional ballots.

 

The then VP Al Gore won the Popular Vote in 2000 yet GW Bush won the election by 3 (three) Electoral College Votes in the disputed count in Florida, where Jeb Bush had been governor and Scotus violated the Constitution by interposing itself in the final decision which Constitutionally resides with the U.S. House of Representatives.

 

The Electoral College is a Rube Goldberg contraption before there was Rube Goldberg and his contraptions (the Founders in this respect probably inspired Rube).

 

In the U.S. Senate each state gets two Senators, which ignores population numbers. The House is based on the population of each state, but a Senator's term is six years while a House member's term is but two years. "

[tropo]

4 minutes ago, Dtrump said:

You wrote a few hours ago, "

 

The Electoral College favors Ma and Pa Kettle and this election further proves it.

 

Former SecState Clinton is winning the Popular Vote which continues to be counted due to absentee ballots (such as my own and probably those of others here) and provisional ballots.

 

The then VP Al Gore won the Popular Vote in 2000 yet GW Bush won the election by 3 (three) Electoral College Votes in the disputed count in Florida, where Jeb Bush had been governor and Scotus violated the Constitution by interposing itself in the final decision which Constitutionally resides with the U.S. House of Representatives.

 

The Electoral College is a Rube Goldberg contraption before there was Rube Goldberg and his contraptions (the Founders in this respect probably inspired Rube).

 

In the U.S. Senate each state gets two Senators, which ignores population numbers. The House is based on the population of each state, but a Senator's term is six years while a House member's term is but two years. "

 

Just to clear up a bit of confusion:

 

I said the popular vote is meaningless because it doesn't determine the winner and it also doesn't truly reflect popularity because nominees do not campaign for the popular vote.

 

The sooner the anti-Trump crowd can grasp this, the sooner we can let it go.

 

Perhaps someone could explain why they even bother to publish the popular vote totals during elections?

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[boomerangutang]

Trump is starting to drain the swamp, and the bodies which are rotting and smelling the gnarliest, he's picking up, hosing off and putting by his side.

 

Then he's going to other swamps, like Briethart, and draining them and picking whatever bush meat he finds, and dragging them to the Oval Office.   

[Thakkar]

4 hours ago, ianf said:

By any measure Trump is not only the wrong person, to me it beggars belief that any sane person can say they support him or voted for him. Support what? An ignorant foolish buffoon? He has no skills for this job, he's a sociopath, perhaps even a psychopath. That doesn't mean I support Hilary. I don't. But everything I have seen in Trump: well, he's the kind of stupid lout that I would avoid from any involvement with. What about the mentality of people who support him? My goodness ..................really!!!!

 

Today, I learned a new word:

 

kakistocracy

MEANING:

noun: Government by the least qualified or worst persons.

[Publicus]

49 minutes ago, csabo said:

 

Be careful when citing Lincolns achievements. The truth and the legend are not one in the same.

 

http://www.history.com/news/5-things-you-may-not-know-about-lincoln-slavery-and-emancipation

 

Even the Bible advocates slavery (if you believe in such texts)

 

Slavery also continues to exist in many parts of the world including Thailand an example being Burmese immigrants held captive on Thai fishing boats.

 

Me me being a free thinker I do not support any non criminal man or women being held captive against their will nor do I support any organization, government or worse yet religion that advocates such inhumanity either in modern times or ancient texts.

 

Very nice thx.

[Publicus]

10 minutes ago, tropo said:

Just to clear up a bit of confusion:

 

I said the popular vote is meaningless because it doesn't determine the winner and it also doesn't truly reflect popularity because nominees do not campaign for the popular vote.

 

The sooner the anti-Trump crowd can grasp this, the sooner we can let it go.

 

Perhaps someone could explain why they even bother to publish the popular vote totals during elections?

 

 

Perhaps someone could explain why they even bother to publish the popular vote totals during elections   

 

 

The Trump Dictatorship of Democracy. 

[Dtrump]

3 minutes ago, tropo said:

Just to clear up a bit of confusion:

 

I said the popular vote is meaningless because it doesn't determine the winner and it also doesn't truly reflect popularity because nominees do not campaign for the popular vote.

 

The sooner the anti-Trump crowd can grasp this, the sooner we can let it go.

 

Perhaps someone could explain why they even bother to publish the popular vote totals during elections?

They are grabbing at play dough and coloring books (University of Michigan - go blue).  Gerald Ford went to school at U of M he must be rolling over in his grave. 

 

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[Dtrump]

4 minutes ago, Publicus said:

 

 

Perhaps someone could explain why they even bother to publish the popular vote totals during elections   

 

 

The Trump Dictatorship of Democracy. 

He won fair and square according to American law.  Why are you trying to start an argument.  Big fonts, insults to a legal orderly election what for?  What purpose does it serve except to foment anger and disruption?

 

Edited November 15, 2016 by Dtrump

[Thakkar]

3 hours ago, Publicus said:

 

Ah, the old glib look in the mirror cliche'.

 

Hillary Clinton is winning the Popular Vote and is only increasing her lead as the absenee and provisional ballots are being counted down to the final finish.

 

 

Clinton had 61,781,190 popular votes compared to 60,850,366 to Trump as of November 14, according to the National Popular Vote Tracker created by Dave Wasserman/Cook Political Report. 

 

 

Potus Donald Trump has zero electoral mandate from the people. Trump got votes but he is a rare instance of a Potus elected by the Electoral College who, according to AP as of November 14th, lost the Popular Vote.

 

Regardless, here is the tiny margin of final difference in key states: Final Counts in these particular states...

 

1. New Hampshire: Clinton +2,701
2. Michigan: Trump +13,080
3. Maine: Clinton +19,995
4. Nevada: Clinton +26,434
5. Wisconsin: Trump +27,257
6. Minnesota: Clinton +44,470
7. Pennsylvania: Trump +68,236
8. Arizona: Trump +92,245

 

 

Any recounts that may occur and that would be few and far between won't change a thing. If the Right Whinge wants to find dead voters they'll have to go to the cemetery cause that's where we all go sooner or later -- to stay. Dead voters voting is another political cliche' of the Right.

 

Undocumented (illegal persons as the Right calls 'em) residents supposedly voting is another cynical attempt to discredit the Democratic Party voters as if we were wicked and evil, deserving of being put away in a dungeon -- to of course protect and to preserve democracy. 

 

With Republicans in absolute power in Washington we're looking at the Trump Dictatorship of Democracy based on the sorry Putin model.

 

 

http://heavy.com/news/2016/11/popular-vote-2016-totals-clinton-vs-trump-obama-2012-2008-hillary-recount-uncounted-ballot-update-new-final/

 

All the dead voters voting for Hillary seem to be in blue states that she would've won even without their help. These Dems! Can't even seem to get the dead people to vote at the right polling places!

 

But seriously, it's funny how Hillary winning the popular vote seems to be because dead people and illegals voting for her, but Trump winning the electoral vote isn't.

 

T

[Dtrump]

Just now, Thakkar said:

 

All the dead voters voting for Hillary seem to be in blue states that she would've won even without their help. These Dems! Can't even seem to get the dead people to vote at the right polling places!

 

But seriously, it's funny how Hillary winning the popular vote seems to be because dead people and illegals voting for her, but Trump winning the electoral vote isn't.

 

T

The electors have to show up to have their vote counted. 

[Tanlic]

I must admit if it were not for 13 days I might not have paid that much attention to the US Elections.

 

It didn't take a genius to work out that Hillary and Obama were lying their vaces off when protecting their own selfish interest whi trying to blame the attack on a video.

 

As thing started to come out we found out Chris Steven had requested additional security over 60 times but was ignored.

 

The fact that Obama and Clinton had taken out Gaddafi and were oh so proud of the fact was the only reason Chris Stevens remained in Benghazi despite requests to leave.

 

That would have been seen as a failure and with Obama coming up for re-election they couldn't have that so he and 3 others died when they should not have.

 

Add to that the lies from landing under sniper fire to I never sent any classified documents to smashing up devices.....bleach-bitting documents under subpoena and being paid for favours and someone asks me did they elect the right person.

 

You need only look at the Trump family. Not one of them has a blemish between them, they are exceptionally nice people intelligent and overall respectable.

 

Trump is and has been a bit of a lad but the media tried their hardest to make him into a monster to keep the gravy train in motion.

 

Unless your half daft or totally stupid you must realise Trump the campaigner and Trump the POTUS are two different people.

 

Obama called Hillary all the names under the sun when he was running against her now he's her best buddy and was telling us how great she is.

 

Trump was saying 15 years ago the same things he is saying today about China Mexico the border etc. He was saying it long before he decided to run.

 

The great thing is he doesn't have to cheat or rob the people, he doesn't even want a salary . He just wants to get things done.......and I believe he will.

 

CNN and all those other baised a**holes will start to toe the line becauseif they don't they can forget being in the know........a new day is dawning and Trump will be a great POTUS IMVHO

 

[Jingthing]

 
Today, I learned a new word:
 
kakistocracy
MEANING:
noun: Government by the least qualified or worst persons.

For real? That's great!

[SimpleChap]

29 minutes ago, Dtrump said:

The electors have to show up to have their vote counted. 

 

 

I hope they don't get included in the death trail that follows the Clintons

[thaibeachlovers]

6 hours ago, Tawan Dok Krating Daeng said:

 

Who is us? Trump voters. Tell us, which polling station in Australia did you cast your vote?

 

I understand it takes some time for information to filter down through the overland telegraph but nobody is talking about Conservatism or Republicanism. When you get your dial up modem working, you may wish to check out the term Alt Right. That is the discussion now. Trump vowed to bring down the system. Well he is allowing the Alt Right to try and replace it. This is what patriots are fighting for and protesting about.

 

Your old man Australian conservatism is about as relevant as vegemite sandwiches are to haut cuisine.

Who put you in charge of the discussion?

BTW the thread is about did the US elect the right candidate, not the alt right.

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[Thakkar]

2 hours ago, csabo said:

On 11/13/2016 at 10:41 PM, Thakkar said:

 

I agree that the US is drowning in corporate interests. So the solution is to elect a corporate CEO?

 

Brilliant! CUt out the middleman! Let them rule directly!

 

wait, wut??

 

Actually yes. A CEO would be better than an lifelong politician known to be in the pocket of banks and corporations and war profiteers. Again I never said he would be better but he will be different. The status quo politicians in the US need to be pushed out. I have not stated my position yet for the record but will now. I am not pro Trump but I am extremely anti Clinton. 

Edited 1 hour ago by csabo

 

I respect that. Personally, I thought Bernie would've brought the change America needs.

 

But here's the thing. Whatever her flaws, Hillary had the experience, skills and qualifications to do what is undoubtedly the hardest job in the world. I believe Obama spoke the truth when he said she is more qualified than him and more qualified than Bill.

 

Donald Trump has never had to do anything hard his whole life. He had the best breaks in life and started out with a fortune. POTUS is powerful, but also a public servant, constantly under scrutiny subject to constant criticism no matter what he does. Trump's always been a boss, never really answerable in the way a people's servant is. Can Trump learn to do a really, really difficult job as well as make a major attitude adjustment? For a 70-year-old, the latter may be harder than the former. And the former is pretty hard enough on its own.

 

The fact that he has failed at many businesses, including casinos (!) is not in itself damning. Some of the most successful people have emerged from earlier failures. More worrying is his record of conning his clients, stiffing contractors, money laundering and financial shenanigans leading to SEC fines.

 

Also worrying is his public shaming of women on their looks, disdain for POW's, vilifying of immigrants in a country founded by and made up of immigrants, disparaging an entire religion, denying established science and espousing loony conspiracy theories throughout his 18 month presidential campaign.

 

He has not released his tax returns or a credible medical report. He has lied about his business ties to Russia. He has released very few policy details.

 

All things considered, I believe Americans have made the wrong choice.

 

The way forward, as Bernie has said, is to work with Trump in areas where he has promised to improve working class lives and oppose him in areas where he tries to undermine core modern American values of inclusiveness compassion.

 

It would be a betrayal of Progressive values to behave in the same despicable way Republicans have with Obama over the last eight years

[Thakkar]

 

2 hours ago, boomerangutang said:

Trump is starting to drain the swamp, and the bodies which are rotting and smelling the gnarliest, he's picking up, hosing off and putting by his side.

 

Then he's going to other swamps, like Briethart, and draining them and picking whatever bush meat he finds, and dragging them to the Oval Office.   

 

Trump's top advisor is Former Head of white nationalist alt right Breitbart news,  Steve Bannon. He is a racist anti-semite misogynist. The MSM are trying to normalize him by referring to him as "former Goldman Sachs executive".

 

It's technically true, but that's like referring to Charles Manson as "former singer/songwriter"

 

 

Edited November 15, 2016 by Thakkar

[Usernames]

2 minutes ago, Thakkar said:

 

 

Trump's top advisor is Former Head of white nationalist alt right Breitbart news,  Steve Bannon. He is a racist anti-semite misogynist. The MSM are trying to normalize him by referring to him as "former Goldman Sachs executive".

 

It's technically true, but that's like referring to Charles Manson as "former singer/songwriter"

 

 

 

Hyperbole and disinformation.

[Thakkar]

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

For real? That's great!

 

Yep.

 

Here's another useful word:

coulrophobia - fear of clowns.o

 

Is there a word for : "fear of presidential clowns"?

 

Asking for a friend.

Edited November 15, 2016 by Thakkar