DrTuner Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 58 minutes ago, mtls2005 said: Safe word may not have been understood? Couldn't be heard through seven bags. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickmouse1 Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 Don't be ridiculous, not SUICIDE but GLUE SNIFFING EXPERIMENT THAT WENT WRONG? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smew Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 Wow, if a suicide, in most cases people will try to save themselves and revert to life at the very last moment: this I believe to be our basic instinct. So, this poor man he would have tried as well: ripping his bags off. Even the “flyers” have that regret I am sure. Morticians have said that people who hang themselves had scratch marks on the back of their necks as if trying to revert back and rip the rope off of their necks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
55Jay Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 Ok, I'll ask...... what is the "rag" trade? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
draks Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 Without a doubt, it's suicide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dentonian Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 1 minute ago, 55Jay said: Ok, I'll ask...... what is the "rag" trade? Second hand clothing..........usually collected in plastic bags! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
draks Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 rag trade is clothing trade. Was used a lot In uk by Jewish cloth and clothing sellers not second hand or scrap material (rag) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
55Jay Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 Just now, dentonian said: Second hand clothing..........usually collected in plastic bags! Ah-so..... thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lex Talionis Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 1 hour ago, soalbundy said: Years ago when i was in Germany i read an article from a criminal inspector. He was complaining about the lack of autopsies being carried out, especially on older people who died at home with their family. His comment was if a candle was lit in a graveyard in any Bavarian town for those who had been murdered by their families for the inheritance the graveyard would be as bright as day. The maintenance of useless old people is a modern phenomenon. Not that long ago it was rare for people to live into old age. And if they did make it that far, past their ability to maintain themselves and contribute to the family, they were not so subtly asked to wander off or remain behind. The Chinaman was just doing the right thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soalbundy Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 2 minutes ago, Lex Talionis said: The maintenance of useless old people is a modern phenomenon. Not that long ago it was rare for people to live into old age. And if they did make it that far, past their ability to maintain themselves and contribute to the family, they were not so subtly asked to wander off or remain behind. The Chinaman was just doing the right thing. I would disagree with that. Many primitive societies, in the Amazon for instance where people can live a long life are maintained, apart from humanitarian reasons, for their accumulated knowledge and wisdom. Evidence has been found that even Neanderthal societies looked after their badly injured and old (at least when enough food was available) In the middle ages, which despite a low life expectancy had old people, looked after their old. It makes sense, apart from their knowledge there is also the reasoning '' I too will be old one day and would like to be looked after.' Asia and parts of Africa have made almost a cult of respecting and caring for their old people,something which in modern times isn't so popular anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timewilltell Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 When a persons dies - "without a doubt" is never the correct assumption. It does look to be the case on first glance and given the testimony of the lady friend. The problem in Thailand is that the police are all too ready to say "suicide' with no investigation whatsoever. They assume suicide when someone involved in an investigation involving influential people are found dead from a fall, they assume suicide when foreigners are found hanged in Kho Tao with their hands tied behind their backs and legs bound together hanging from a roof they could not easily reach if unbound, they assume suicide when they find a foreigner in Phuket with his throat cut and hanging over the end of the bed with a bucket to catch the blood and blood all over the room. The thing is you cannot rely on a word anyone says here because the level of lying, cheating, fraud scamming and corruption is at such a ridiculous level compared to most other societies and permeates the police to such a degree that the first reaction to anything here is disbelief. And a significant part of the time it is the correct assumption to disbelieve. That is the sickness of Thailand. Most Westerners feel some sadness when another person dies, some empathy or sympathy. Most Thais are so self-engrossed that they feel nothing, completely ambivalent unless it is someone they know fairly well. The result is that there is not much outrage at the corruption all around or the misdeeds of the police and other corruption in the justice system and so the problems will remain. For the Taiwanese guy I hope it was painless and am sad he felt he had to end it. RIP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Velisbef Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 May he rest in peace. It should s*ck to die alone. Either suicide or homicide or whatever cause. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnno2 Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 Now I know why I was not a policeman. I'm having lots of trouble trying to work out how he did this to himself. He had 7 plastic bags in 2 layers, he managed to tie a cloth and a rope around his neck also. He did this to himself???? why wouldn't he just go to the corner pharmacy and buy a shitload of tablets and not be in pain if he wanted to off himself. Or tie a rope around something high and hang himself? easy. Why go to all the trouble of getting 7 bags in 2 layers, tie a cloth and rope around his neck? I would imagine he would have been kicking etc as the oxygen ran out also. But the police said there wasn't any sign of a struggle? I have an active imagination, but my imagination isn't happy with this "suicide". Case closed than, as far as the RTP are concerned. Young GF and running out of money. Yep, no suspicious circumstances Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cracker1 Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 Did the GF get a text message saying not to come and see him again, and did the deceased send that message, or did a killer send the message ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bendejo Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 9 hours ago, webfact said: She said he had contacted her on January 6th to say not to bother to come and see him any more. She went round but got no answer and left. ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotchilli Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 6 hours ago, jlwilliamsjr18 said: Suicide...or the hard fact of what happens when the gravy train stops. Exactly, it's always suicide one way or the other! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThaidaGwaii Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 Sure lots of ignorant people posting on Thai Visa... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saakura Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 6 hours ago, xtof2 said: The balcony was too high? No, it was a low floor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkkrooftop Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 kind of a vague question here., but does any one have any knowledge about if any of these cases are ever further questioned? Like maybe Taiwan would consider diving into this more? Seems we see so many cases go through like this but then we never hear about them again. Case closed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandemara Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 Heath Ledger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCC1701A Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 David Carradine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjwill01 Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 Of Course his girlfriend's name is A. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skorp13 Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 Another copycat suicide story??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garryjohns Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 29 minutes ago, NCC1701A said: David Carradine Apart from Carradine and this poor guy both dieing in Bangkok..whats your point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCC1701A Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 10 minutes ago, garryjohns said: Apart from Carradine and this poor guy both dieing in Bangkok..whats your point? see the previous post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bantex Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 He was not a Thai so definitely suicide. He was in the rag trade and even had a piece of cloth around his neck as well as a rope, seven plastic bags over his head in two layers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Docno Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 4 hours ago, dentonian said: Second hand clothing..........usually collected in plastic bags! So how does a Taiwanese get a work permit to do this line of work...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mettech Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 it must a been a party gone wrong and the invitees got frustrated on a deal so they brought their own plastic bags. RIP for the old guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim walker Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 I wonder if the A stands for <deleted> something smells fishy as usual . One bag would have been enough but 7 that will teach him not to use a proper shopping bag rather than plastic bags all the time, a bag for life from A Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soalbundy Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 2 minutes ago, Jim walker said: I wonder if the A stands for <deleted> something smells fishy as usual . One bag would have been enough but 7 that will teach him not to use a proper shopping bag rather than plastic bags all the time, a bag for life from A like their owner they were bio-degradable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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