Yingluck moves to have Bt35 bn damages order revoked

[Tracyb]

10 hours ago, seajae said:

the only thing unlawful was her refusal to do anything about all the money and rice disappearing under her watch, she refused to attend any rice meetings even though she was the person in charge, she refused to accept the truth that money and rice was simply going missing and there was corruption involved even with all the evidence so she has no one to blame but herself. The problem now is she is sh*ting herself she will loose all her (brothers) money and not be able to do her regular shopping trips etc, last thing she wants is to be not rich

 

Maybe she can open a string of noodle shops

 

[Reigntax]

14 hours ago, worgeordie said:

Ah,it's unfair, is that the best defence you have

regards worgeordie

 

A proper justice system has rules of practice and procedure. The most important is impartiality where a person has a right to a fair trial which includes not being ordered liable prior to any judgement.

 

Where you like, or dislike YS, Prayuth has made it perfectly clear that he intends to chase the Shins out of town by whatever means as they are the military's greatest threat to maintaining control of the troughs.

 

Comments made by Prayuth both before and during the trial would be considered contemptuous had they been made subject to any competent system of justice.

 

However, this is Thailand and the rules of the game are made up to suit who has the biggest guns.

[halloween]

7 hours ago, yellowboat said:

Only observing the complete lack of impartiality that Thai institutions have today.  Do you dispute the average Thai, who is said to have been hurt by this scheme, has moral and ethical superiority at this time and would be better fit to judge her ?  Are you against a trial by her Peers ?

 

 

Wossamatter, don't want to admit there are ample grounds for restitution? No, I don't see  the average Thai having any great moral superiority, nor is there any "said" about the loss of public funds.

I am all for trial, I hope she gets several.

[F4UCorsair]

I don't know much about the the rice pledging scheme, nor the former PM, but I do know that trying to recover B35 Billion, something ovrr US $1Billion, Iis akin to pi$$Ing into a 40 knot northerly! 

 

A few million baht maybe, B35 Billion?  Never.

 

She would have seen this coming, and put assets out of reach so fast that nobody would have seen it happening.

[BSJ]

Remember when she was PM and she took overseas trips with 25 or 30 suitcases in tow.....and diplomatic immunity?

 

Now, where do you think the ill gotten gain is?    Certainly not in Thailand!

[SaintLouisBlues]

10 minutes ago, BSJ said:

Remember when she was PM and she took overseas trips with 25 or 30 suitcases in tow.....and diplomatic immunity?

If it's OK for the Prince of Wales I can't see why it's not OK for everyone

[F4UCorsair]

37 minutes ago, BSJ said:

Remember when she was Pin and she took overseas trips with 25 or 30 suitcases in tow.....and diplomatic immunity?

 

Now, where do you think the ill gotten gain are?    Certainly not in Thailand!

 

I don't think that comes under the mantle of 'diplomatic Immunity', more a case of  the authorities  turning a blind eye, but I understand what you're saying, and you can be sure she doesn't have much left In Thailand In her name.

Edited January 21, 2017 by F4UCorsair

[Get Real]

16 hours ago, SaintLouisBlues said:

Surely you're trying to have it both ways. Either she was the puppet of her brother who was controlling every move from abroad - so no need to turn up for anything - or she was actually the premier?

Not really correct. Usually a puppet master likes to have all the information to make his moves. That would, I presume, make her needed to attend meetings to deliver true information. That mean in plain text that she was doing a bad work both for the country and her brother.

[Get Real]

9 hours ago, PiAnt said:

I think we're getting away from the main issue here which is, what are we going to call ourselves.

 

I think the League Against The Vilification If Allowed Not Simply For Ordinary Ratification of Forcible Arrests Reinforcing The Status (quo).

 

Unfortunately, the acronym is latviansforfarts, but I truly believe it does emphasize the majority of opinions above.

 

Thoughts?

 

No thoughts at all. You just lost me after the 13th word. What are you eating, dude?

[SaintLouisBlues]

27 minutes ago, Get Real said:

That would, I presume, make her needed to attend meetings to deliver true information.

You don't think Skype was a possibility?

[chainarong]

I'm only  interested in seeing that no victimisation takes place , how the justice and the law can pick one person out from an executive decision beats me , input would have to come from Agriculture,   finance, the treasury and cabinet , even in a Junta not one person is responsible for a decision,  if you get my drift General............................................. 

[aussieinthailand]

20 hours ago, worgeordie said:

Ah,it's unfair, is that the best defence you have

regards worgeordie

Kinda think she said "unlawful" and "unfair"  you recon that good o'l uncle too will foot the bill for his junta's rice scam/scheem? 

[NanLaew]

Nice to see how most of the TV membership is ready to embrace the national path to reconciliation. They must have missed the PM's most recent reminder to do this.

 

Honestly, by the sounds of a lot of you, one would think that you guys personally lost the rice farm.

[NanLaew]

8 hours ago, Reigntax said:

... Prayuth has made it perfectly clear that he intends to chase the Shins out of town by whatever means as they are the military's greatest threat to maintaining control of the troughs.

 

... at the same time he implores the nation to consider reconciliation as the best way forward.

 

Quote

In his weekly televised address, Prime Minister and leader of the National Council for Peace and Order, Gen Prayut Chan-o-cha called on citizens to leave the painful past behind them and look to the future, adding that national reconciliation requires cooperation by all sectors of society and that everyone has to find common ground and learn to get along despite differences.

 

In other words, "Everyone can and will be forgiven.... except the Shins."

Edited January 22, 2017 by NanLaew

[yellowboat]

9 hours ago, halloween said:

No, I don't see  the average Thai having any great moral superiority,

It sounds like you are not really a fan of the Thai people and do not trust their judgment.  They have acted honorably during these years of uncertainty.  Interesting that a Brit like yourself does not favor trial by jury. 

 

It is a mistake for any government to mess around with markets and their economics and when it goes bad those involved need to bear the consequences.  The question here is who is to judge; your favored men in uniform, proxies, or as they are called in Thailand, judges, the rubber stamp senate?  Not sure as to where she will get a fair hearing and who has moral authority as this time. 

[Get Real]

7 hours ago, SaintLouisBlues said:

You don't think Skype was a possibility?

Why do you take out a small piece of a post, so it sounds to your advantage? That´s no way to go in a forum. Shame on you.

On the other hand you did not really get what I posted either. I did not say that it was impossible to attend meetings in different ways for her. I just assumed that if her brother wanted to control everything from abroad, it would have been even more important to attend all the meetings.

 

However, just don´t cut parts of post and reply to in the future. One might presume you would have learned that after over 1500 posts, but it takes a while for some.

[halloween]

4 hours ago, yellowboat said:

It sounds like you are not really a fan of the Thai people and do not trust their judgment.  They have acted honorably during these years of uncertainty.  Interesting that a Brit like yourself does not favor trial by jury. 

 

It is a mistake for any government to mess around with markets and their economics and when it goes bad those involved need to bear the consequences.  The question here is who is to judge; your favored men in uniform, proxies, or as they are called in Thailand, judges, the rubber stamp senate?  Not sure as to where she will get a fair hearing and who has moral authority as this time. 

Watch who you are calling a pommie , sport.

[Basil B]

On 21/01/2017 at 8:46 AM, ramrod711 said:

 

To be fair, I didn't say she was a puppet, I said she was derelict in her job performance. I also didn't call her corrupt, not because I don't think she is, but because I can't prove it. If you look at her lack of attendance in general, specifically at the rice board meetings, it was abysmal, clearly not up to any reasonable standard.

 

Clearly skipping meetings she should have chaired without any good reason was "Dereliction of Duty" that is what she was charged with and found guilty of...

 

On 21/01/2017 at 2:52 AM, rooster59 said:

Yingluck’s petition argues that the order was unlawful and unfair to her, according to a press release from the court yesterday

 

Legality may be questionable    ...but unfair I think not, them Shinawatra's have screwed Thailand for far too long.

[JAG]

10 hours ago, chainarong said:

I'm only  interested in seeing that no victimisation takes place , how the justice and the law can pick one person out from an executive decision beats me , input would have to come from Agriculture,   finance, the treasury and cabinet , even in a Junta not one person is responsible for a decision,  if you get my drift General............................................. 

 

In the case of the junta, are they not covered by their preemptive amnesty?

[halloween]

10 hours ago, chainarong said:

I'm only  interested in seeing that no victimisation takes place , how the justice and the law can pick one person out from an executive decision beats me , input would have to come from Agriculture,   finance, the treasury and cabinet , even in a Junta not one person is responsible for a decision,  if you get my drift General............................................. 

 

It's pretty easy, it's the person who accepts the position and takes the big bahts. Do you think having a pretty face on the front of a vacuous head exempts you from responsibility?

[Basil B]

Just now, halloween said:

 

It's pretty easy, it's the person who accepts the position and takes the big bahts. Do you think having a pretty face on the front of a vacuous head exempts you from responsibility?

 

Yingluck thinks so.

 

[yellowboat]

3 hours ago, Basil B said:

Legality may be questionable    ...but unfair I think not, them Shinawatra's have screwed Thailand for far too long.

But they keep getting re-elected.  That is how universal suffrage works. 

 

And yeah, legality as to how she is be judged and punished by an ethically challenged government that has usurped power is just as you say, questionable.  

[Basil B]

1 hour ago, yellowboat said:

But they keep getting re-elected.  That is how universal suffrage works. 

 

And yeah, legality as to how she is be judged and punished by an ethically challenged government that has usurped power is just as you say, questionable.  

 

So what, look how many Americans voted for Trump... 

[jerojero]

Political soap opera continues... Yingluck and the Junta.

[sjaak327]

On ‎21‎-‎1‎-‎2017 at 5:46 AM, worgeordie said:

Ah,it's unfair, is that the best defence you have

regards worgeordie

I can think of a few more terms if you like. What about unjust, illegal, premature, unbelieveable. In a normal justice system, the penalty does not precede the verdict.

 

I understand, people living in this country might believe the Junta and their ways are normal and justified, but outside of that little bubble, the rest of the world nods in disbelief.

[halloween]

5 hours ago, yellowboat said:

But they keep getting re-elected.  That is how universal suffrage works. 

 

And yeah, legality as to how she is be judged and punished by an ethically challenged government that has usurped power is just as you say, questionable.  

 

And yet you claim moral superiority for the mass of Thai people willing to elect criminals. Is that why you go on about a jury, knowing how easily their morality can be bought?

[Dogmatix]

On 21/01/2017 at 0:40 PM, sweatalot said:

Is her money still in Thailand?

 

 Being bankrupted in Thailand is unlikely to make a dent in her global net worth.  Big brother must be keeping a piggy bank for her overseas that brimmed with contributions from the grateful during her time in office.

[SaintLouisBlues]

12 minutes ago, Dogmatix said:

 Being bankrupted in Thailand is unlikely to make a dent in her global net worth.  Big brother must be keeping a piggy bank for her overseas that brimmed with contributions from the grateful during her time in office.

Are you an equal-opportunity hater or is it just rich people you don't like?

[sjaak327]

9 hours ago, halloween said:

 

And yet you claim moral superiority for the mass of Thai people willing to elect criminals. Is that why you go on about a jury, knowing how easily their morality can be bought?

As if the morality of judges cannot be bought or influenced in this country. At least previously the Thai people were able to choose whom they deem worthy of running their country. At present, they are run by criminals, and they have nothing to choose. Morality, a word foreign to the current lot, best not mention terms like that...

Edited January 23, 2017 by sjaak327

[yellowboat]

11 hours ago, halloween said:

 

And yet you claim moral superiority for the mass of Thai people willing to elect criminals. Is that why you go on about a jury, knowing how easily their morality can be bought?

Is it not their country or does it belong to the military and the elites ? 

 

Perhaps you would be happier in bland, vapid, vacant, sterile Singapore ?