Murdered over 20 baht - security guard dead because co-worker needed his lunch

[metisdead]

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[berybert]

1 hour ago, khunpa said:

 

 

Besides that I think Thais are great people as long as we all smile and talk about simple things, that can not result in a conflict of any kind. Meaning the best subjects are about food.. e.g. if anyone is hungry and what we had for dinner last night. 

 

 

 

 

 

Have you any idea what this thread is about ?????

[khunpa]

1 minute ago, berybert said:

Have you any idea what this thread is about ?????

 

Yes about MONEY!

[berybert]

Just now, khunpa said:

 

Yes about MONEY!

Money for food, you know food, that is the one thing you can talk about without it turning violent.

 

[Get Real]

19 minutes ago, otherstuff1957 said:

Did anyone else look at their feet when they read this?  ;D

I am safe! Cut my nail directly after I posted.

[khunpa]

7 minutes ago, berybert said:

Money for food, you know food, that is the one thing you can talk about without it turning violent.

 

 

I lost you. Never heard of a Thai killing someone over a talk about what they ate or are going to eat. But money, no matter the amount, can result in conflicts.

 

I do not believe the "I killed because I was hungry" excuse. Same as when the "I was drunk" excuse is used. If you are hungry in Thailand, you can always go find a banana tree and eat from there.

[berybert]

2 minutes ago, khunpa said:

 

I lost you. Never heard of a Thai killing someone over a talk about what they ate or are going to eat. But money, no matter the amount, can result in conflicts.

Here is a bit of the OP not sure you have read it or not .

 

''''He said: "I was hungry but I didn't have any money on me so I decided to ask my supervisor for 20 baht. He only had a hundred baht note and said to give the 80 baht change to another security man called Akhbar who he owed.

 

"I cycled off to buy some sticky rice and chicken but it cost 40 baht. When I got back I gave 60 baht to Akhbar but he was not happy and an argument broke out. He said I should return the food and get the full 80 baht for him.

 

"He said if he didn't get his 80 baht there would be trouble"''''''.

 

 

There they were talking about what was going to be eaten and someone ended up dead. Maybe English isn't your first language.

[Michael8511]

4 hours ago, hobz said:

Why are these people so poor and hungry? don't they get paid? No wonder people in thailand sell their bodies for money... they just can't manage living on a low paying salary (because it's too low and because they don't know how to manage money) and they can't afford an education that would give them a better job.

The sad thing is even with a education they are underpaid 

[off road pat]

5 hours ago, Seewolf said:

Very sad story and one died for this , unbelievable but true and it give me some Ideas for my own protection. What about if I carry a knife for my self-defense ? Police will charge me for carryings a knife? 

would only be useful if you know how to fight with a knife, if they don't stab you in the back first !!!

[khunpa]

 

11 minutes ago, berybert said:

Here is a bit of the OP not sure you have read it or not .

 

''''He said: "I was hungry but I didn't have any money on me so I decided to ask my supervisor for 20 baht. He only had a hundred baht note and said to give the 80 baht change to another security man called Akhbar who he owed.

 

"I cycled off to buy some sticky rice and chicken but it cost 40 baht. When I got back I gave 60 baht to Akhbar but he was not happy and an argument broke out. He said I should return the food and get the full 80 baht for him.

 

"He said if he didn't get his 80 baht there would be trouble"''''''.

 

 

There they were talking about what was going to be eaten and someone ended up dead. Maybe English isn't your first language.

Wow... You really go into details... LOL! 

 

The meaning in what I wrote before, was that it is best to keep conversation with Thais about simple things... like e.g. what they had for dinner etc. or the weather.

 

When money becomes involved - one way or the other, there are risks. Just like in this case. Anyway, the guy was told to buy for THB 20 and he bought for THB 40 instead. The issue was not if he had bought chicken, pork or buffalo for lunch. If the guy had bought what he was allowed to, there would not have been a problem. 

 

 

[Shawn0000]

2 hours ago, hobz said:

I bet the next one will be for not 'liking' someones profile pic on facebook .. "He did not like my profile pic, i waited 10 minutes and still no like, so i took the knife and cut out his heart and posted on facebook, it got many likes"

Someone already killed someone for "poking" their girlfriend on facebook, and another man killed his wife for changing her status to single.

[berybert]

1 minute ago, khunpa said:

 

Wow... You really go into details... LOL! 

 

The meaning in what I wrote is that it is best to keep conversation with Thais about simple things... like e.g. what they had for dinner etc. or the weather.

 

When money comes involved - one way or the other, there are risks. Just like in this case. Anyway, the guy was told to buy for THB 20 and he bought for THB 40 instead. The issue was not if he had bought chicken, pork or buffalo for lunch.

Ah as expected even when you are wrong you are right. Must be a woman.

[khunpa]

2 minutes ago, berybert said:

Ah as expected even when you are wrong you are right. Must be a woman.

 I lost you. Seems you are only up for a "fight". Cheers and enjoy your night out. 

[stegee]

4 hours ago, Thechook said:

All for about 70 cents Australian.

you must be a mind reader- i was just sitting here thinking "i wonder how much that is in australian money"...

thanks for clearing that up..

[Get Real]

2 hours ago, khunpa said:

Most (not all, but MOST) Thais lack the ability to debate without things turning violent. They simply never learnt it in school and also get their "education" from Thai TV-Dramas, where conflicts are most often solved violently. It also does not help, that the culture says "Smile", even if someone takes you hard in the A.s... Constantly avoiding conflicts, makes people uncomfortable when they occur and for Thais it means using violence to resolve the issue.

 

Take an uneducated Thai-man like this guy in the news story. Stupid as <deleted> and with absolutely debat-skills, but fully aware that he must not "lose face" no matter what. Inside he is basically only like an 10 year old. Push him in a corner and only thing he can do is turn violent, regardless of what the issue is about. This also goes for many Thai-women, who also keep it "primitive" when facing challenges or conflict. Every tried to have a real deep and constructive debate with a Thai-woman?... Not many of them are able to. Not even the educated ones. 

 

Personally, I love this country and also its people. But I will never get too close to anyone else than my family here. I have seen too many times, what kind of "drama" these people can make of something anyone else in the world would consider just a simple disagreement.

 

Besides that I think Thais are great people as long as we all smile and talk about simple things, that can not result in a conflict of any kind. Meaning the best subjects are about food.. e.g. if anyone is hungry and what we had for dinner last night. 

 

Thai-Culture on the other hand, also has its benefit. E.g. I hardly never argue with my Thai-wife... Why? Well, simply because she finds it to difficult to handle and I know that she will end up killing me, if I insist on debating her :-) So conflicts are easily resolved with out much talk. I love that!

 

 

 

Must be a nice relationship. You can not talk about what is on your mind, out of fear that your wife will kill you. But ok! You love that. Are you serious?

[kensisaket]

For everyone asking what did Usaman do, think about this.  The same thing could happen pretty much anywhere if you borrowed money from someone then sent someone else to pay your debt; especially, if he showed up with less money than was owed.  It may not end up in a stabbing; but,  it could easily end up in a fight.   

[hottrader77]

ungrateful worker he could have just got sticky rice for 10 baht and eat that on its own it would have filled him up and he could have pocketed 10 baht and then he would have had 80 baht to give to the security guard ( so much low intelligence here and saving face

[khunpa]

19 minutes ago, Get Real said:

Must be a nice relationship. You can not talk about what is on your mind, out of fear that your wife will kill you. But ok! You love that. Are you serious?

 

No, I am not serious and over-exaggerating. My overall point is that Thai-culture, in my opinion, requires a "simplistic way of thinking and acting". This can be both good and bad depending on the situation. Like e.g. not having to constant argue or debate stuff with the wife, because this is not a part of her culture or way of solving issues. 

 

I think a thing most people visiting Thailand likes is the friendliness and smiles. They feel good and safe. But that does not mean that Thailand is a safe place and people are kind, just because they smile a lot :-)

 

 

[Dumbastheycome]

Surpassing the sad insanity  of this event (which is very likely  a  very incomplete account involving  unrevealed preceding  details ) is the racially biased commentary of  too many in this  forum who spew  forth  opinion  in denial of the reality that globally  such ridiculous  unjustified  events occur daily. And that is likely due to the fact that those too many are  here in some false sense of  superior position .

Why not instead  be grateful that you  are permitted and for the  moment capable  of renting  your  space and  not have to endure the  space of those  who  you  deride !

 

[madusa]

21 hours ago, gemguy said:

As I have said before: If you could have a look at the daily or weekly or monthly police reports and criminal incidents reports you would learn that this sort of crazy thing is not uncommon .

We simply do not hear about ALL the incidents ...and if you did you would really have second thoughts about staying here ...especially if you were to digest all the gruesome details.

When I first came to Thailand and started living here full time back in 1987 I remember nearly all the newspaper and magazine stands on the street had the usual array of information and news print and magazines to purchase along with several separate publication that covered the police and crime activities throughout the country,  printed and published on a weekly basis

Often I would have a look at the various police and crime magazines and see page after page of gruesome death reports and murders and  deadlyroad accident photos and crime scene instigation reports while the owner of the magazine stand would gladly explain to me the details, all written in Thai of course, while I was trying to learn and understand Thai.

Hit man killings and rival business men killing one another......... Wife murders husband .....Husband murders wife....Husband murders lover of wife ...Wife murders lover of husband..... Shoot outs and killings between gangs......Shoot outs between gangs and police .......Drunken brawls turned violent with knifes or bottles or machetes or guns used and all too often....Dead bodies found in the rice fields and abandoned building sites and irrigation canals and the side of the road and just dumped off.........Revenge killings and revenge attacks...Arson ...Plenty of suicides also.......Plenty of robberies and robberies with assault ....Lots and lots of rape cases and wife beating cases and child abuse cases.....Drug trafficking arrests and weapons cache seizures........Brothels being raided and sex clubs being shut down...... and what ever constitutes a crime worthy of publishing in their police and crime magazines while commonly the different magazines would have the same story ...but additional photos and not seen in the other publications.  

Then I did not see them being sold after several years along with the soft porn girly magazines that had photos of semi nude girls and always included contact numbers with the girls photos....and long before cell phones.

Maybe they still publish them but I have not seen them or obviously on display like I used to.

The police and crime report magazines made me realize that the Thais are just as screwed up as everyone while they do not have the meaning of life figured out any better than the rest of the people, while outsiders seem to think the whole nation is at peace with itself...or at least the illusion that is cast.

Cheers 

 

I came to Thailand 4 years earlier than you and I noticed that the Thai language newspaper had a lot more murders , suicide, accident reports than the English paper. I was thinking the government wanted it that way to protect  tourism.

Am I wrong if I say the crime rate should be related to the population? If Thailand has 65 million inhabitants then if the murders rate goes above a certain number then it would be consider bad .

Japan has the lowest murder rate I guess. When I was there 1979 it was something like 12 murder cases in the whole year,  I lived there for a year . Population about 138 millions. You could sleep without locking your door or gate.

Thieves? Robbers? Sometimes I had to shout "excuse me" then an old man came out from the back of the shop and asked what I wanted to buy. That's Japan, an interesting country. A rational thinking country.

[performance]

1 hour ago, hottrader77 said:

ungrateful worker he could have just got sticky rice for 10 baht and eat that on its own it would have filled him up and he could have pocketed 10 baht and then he would have had 80 baht to give to the security guard ( so much low intelligence here and saving face

What a stupid comment he lost his life over some chicken. Maybe you can date Attanan 

[Dumbastheycome]

2 minutes ago, performance said:

Attanan is a sick individual that hurt a kind and hungry man's family. Took a life and wants to be set free. I would like 10 minutes with you and your brother. You just a germ that needs to be terminated. A leach there's many. 

So you  want to be  judge  and  jury? Based on a a media reprt?  Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

[madusa]

17 hours ago, khunpa said:

 

No, I am not serious and over-exaggerating. My overall point is that Thai-culture, in my opinion, requires a "simplistic way of thinking and acting". This can be both good and bad depending on the situation. Like e.g. not having to constant argue or debate stuff with the wife, because this is not a part of her culture or way of solving issues. 

 

I think a thing most people visiting Thailand likes is the friendliness and smiles. They feel good and safe. But that does not mean that Thailand is a safe place and people are kind, just because they smile a lot :-)

 

 

I beg to differ, Thailand was really a nice country until it became overload with tourists and they really cannot handle the situation anymore. Can't you see it, it 's all very clear. First the language problem , then the cultural gap,it goes on and on.

Don't go the Thailand let Thailand have a good rest too many farangs disturbing them. They can survive on Kow Neo(sticky rice) and a bit of chilli and some anchovy, no problem. They want their country back now it 's overrun by farangs.

[performance]

6 minutes ago, Dumbastheycome said:

So you  want to be  judge  and  jury? Based on a a media reprt?  Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

Hang him high....

[Dumbastheycome]

1 minute ago, madusa said:

I beg to differ, Thailand was really a nice country until it became overload with tourists and they really cannot handle the situation anymore. Can't you see it, it 's all very clear. First the language problem , then the cultural gap,it goes on and on.

Don't go the Thailand let Thailand have a good rest too many farangs disturbing them. They can survive on Kow Neo(sticky rice) and a bit of chilli and some anchovy, no problem. They want their country back now it 's overrun by farangs.

Not  sure they have  ever  lost control  to tourists more than  contol has been lost to  MONEY  in place  of   culture.

 

[Dumbastheycome]

1 minute ago, performance said:

Hang him high....

Do  your  thing   then  and  good  luck. 

[Dumbastheycome]

2 minutes ago, performance said:

Hang him high....

Or do  you mean  " someone  else"  do  your  bidding?

[gemguy]

23 minutes ago, madusa said:

I came to Thailand 4 years earlier than you and I noticed that the Thai language newspaper had a lot more murders , suicide, accident reports than the English paper. I was thinking the government wanted it that way to protect  tourism.

Am I wrong if I say the crime rate should be related to the population? If Thailand has 65 million inhabitants then if the murders rate goes above a certain number then it would be consider bad .

Japan has the lowest murder rate I guess. When I was there 1979 it was something like 12 murder cases in the whole year,  I lived there for a year . Population about 138 millions. You could sleep without locking your door or gate.

Thieves? Robbers? Sometimes I had to shout "excuse me" then an old man came out from the back of the shop and asked what I wanted to buy. That's Japan, an interesting country. A rational thinking country.

I can surmise a lot of it is censured ...somehow, some way as tourism is a big money maker and you do not want to be scaring off the tourist, so the less publicity the better.

Meantime if you read about some of the nasty stuff that goes on in other countries relevant to the killings and murders and robberies and assaults etc....then those countries makes Thailand look real safe.

But still there is a degree of danger here and you should be aware of it and always be vigilant...or try to be as best you can.

Meantime they do not seem to have too many serial killers or certainly not as bad as some other countries and mass shootings are fortunately not a regular occurrence.

I think over all we are safer here than possible about 20 other countries that have more social problems and social strife than Thailand does creating more chance of encountering a serious life threatening problem...besides the road and traffic dangers here in Thailand  that end a fair amount of foreigners lives...but overall.....not that many and not too often.

But, in reality there are a dozen ways to meet your maker here in Thailand, besides a natural death.

*** Opps ...I forget to mention the coups....as there have been several really murderous coups that have occurred in the last 50 years....but everyone seems to forget those when they say Thailand is the safest country they know of ....lol....

I wonder why they say that without remembering the coups ???

Cheers

[Dumbastheycome]

4 minutes ago, performance said:

Hang him high....

The reality is that  will  not  remove  the root  cause. It will only  remove  a solitary individual  amongst   millions  capable of . As  your   suggestion  suggests !

[dinsdale]

8 hours ago, NCC1701A said:

20 baht is a lot of money for some Thais.

Three pks of Mama, B18. 1/2 a kilo of rice, B20 or a bit less depending on the rice. Water. Sticky rice and chicken? B40's a bit steep usually  B20-25. Point is you can't get much for B20. Obviously worth killing for.