Video: last tragic moments of European expat on big bike

[Zx7rSteve]

R.I.P 

 

What a tragic story.

 

 

Edited February 27, 2017 by Zx7rSteve

[pattayahenry]

5 hours ago, Shawn0000 said:

Why has this been posted?  This is utterly disrespectful.

some drivers dont like to be overtaken on the wrong side, maybe someone wanted to stop him, and if you brake a heavy 1200cc bike in a sharp curve, exactly that happens. maybe he did not see the relatively sharp 90 degree bend, he was far to fast anyway.
btw,
in thailand a funeral is a place to be happy and funny, drinking lots of alcohol, playing loud musik for several days. if the victim were a thai, they would play this clip dozens of times at his funeral, children would ROFL about the crying in the car, and others would comment about the nice airplane in the background. they would tell jokes, like if my cow has such an infected leg, i would kill it anyway, and everybody would be laughing. that is thailand, and if you do not understand that mentality, better stay at home.
nothing is more superfluous than the stupid RIP comments, we are here in a different world, not in the west.

 

[jacko45k]

15 hours ago, docphil said:

I love how people think 250cc is "big"

Irrelevant... in Thailand, bigger than average.

Is undertaking a component here?

[tropo]

7 minutes ago, pattayahenry said:

some drivers dont like to be overtaken on the wrong side, maybe someone wanted to stop him, and if you brake a heavy 1200cc bike in a sharp curve, exactly that happens. maybe he did not see the relatively sharp 90 degree bend, he was far to fast anyway.
btw,
in thailand a funeral is a place to be happy and funny, drinking lots of alcohol, playing loud musik for several days. if the victim were a thai, they would play this clip dozens of times at his funeral, children would ROFL about the crying in the car, and others would comment about the nice airplane in the background. they would tell jokes, like if my cow has such an infected leg, i would kill it anyway, and everybody would be laughing. that is thailand, and if you do not understand that mentality, better stay at home.
nothing is more superfluous than the stupid RIP comments, we are here in a different world, not in the west.

 

 

I reckon your comments are superfluous and stupid... not the RIP comments.

 

I'm also glad I haven't met you and the people you hang out with - the ones who think it's stupid and superfluous to say RIP when a poor soul meets his end.

 

Living in a different country doesn't mean we have to change our beliefs, and if you don't mind, I'll stay for the time being. I'm not the only Christian living in Thailand. (My Thai neighbour held a prayer meeting not long ago).

 

RIP Christian.

 

  

 

[tropo]

13 minutes ago, jacko45k said:

Irrelevant... in Thailand, bigger than average.

Is undertaking a component here?

 

It's twice as big as the one I own. (if it is 250cc)

[smew]

11 hours ago, Seismic said:

I see you probably don't ride a bike here, and you have not met or chatted with Christian.

 

You are correct, not a big bike anyway not here, and i did not know him, RIP. But seems a wind may have had a factor. Defensive driving is the key, a single vehicle accident usually implies a driving too fast for the road or traffic and  weather  conditions. This was my point. RIP

[rufanuf]

12 hours ago, Tony125 said:

To all the TV forensic specialists take a look at the video again you will see that the handle bars of the bike are riding along the railing and thats why the bike keeps going along after he has fallen over the rail. Once his front tire or handles caught the curb or rail he would have no control. You saw the bike shaking violently before he went over due to the bike hung up on curb and railing. Had similar happen to me on regular bicycle when got to close to a curb and pedals hit curb and tossed me.

Ive been looking thru the posts to see if anyone had spotted the obvious and by page 3 still haven't seen it. If you watch the solid white line on the road, it is absolutely clear what happened. The driver of the car with the webcam is wandering across the white line, closing the gap for which the biker travelling faster needs to get thru, thus forcing him to get closer and closer to the curb and rail. At the point the biker comes into the cameras view he has just that split second hit the curb and been bounced off his bike and onto the rail. Its highly unlikely there was another car behind the one with the dashcam closing the gap on the biker that caused the accident as the biker would likely have already come off his wheels before the came into view. In other words the main cause of this accident (not withstanding the fact there should be no vehicles to the left of the solid white line) was the car with the dashcam itself.

[catman20]

6 minutes ago, rufanuf said:

Ive been looking thru the posts to see if anyone had spotted the obvious and by page 3 still haven't seen it. If you watch the solid white line on the road, it is absolutely clear what happened. The driver of the car with the webcam is wandering across the white line, closing the gap for which the biker travelling faster needs to get thru, thus forcing him to get closer and closer to the curb and rail. At the point the biker comes into the cameras view he has just that split second hit the curb and been bounced off his bike and onto the rail. Its highly unlikely there was another car behind the one with the dashcam closing the gap on the biker that caused the accident as the biker would likely have already come off his wheels before the came into view. In other words the main cause of this accident (not withstanding the fact there should be no vehicles to the left of the solid white line) was the car with the dashcam itself.

I DID COMMENT THAT MAYBE HE WAS CUT UP.

[rufanuf]

Just now, catman20 said:

I DID COMMENT THAT MAYBE HE WAS CUT UP.

Thats certainly what it looks like to me

[catman20]

Just now, rufanuf said:

Thats certainly what it looks like to me

i see motorists cutting bikes up all the time TIT. sad way to go.

[catman20]

12 hours ago, NCC1701A said:

I think sometimes men just  try to power through the rough spots in life or go into denial.

 

Selling that bike would have meant coming to grips with a life changing situation.

 

I have a Kawasaki 650 that one day I will be too old too ride.

 

Holding up a 1200 cc bike is not that easy. The guy had a problem with his leg.

 

Any combination of things can happen.

A strong gust of wind, oil spot and water, gravel, sand, lost of concentration or distraction, mechanical malfunction, crazy Thai drivers.   

 

I don't think it is suicide.

 

RIP fellow biker.

 

DENIAL is a great word to use here in Thailand i see grown men here all the time in this state about almost everything. 

[rufanuf]

3 minutes ago, catman20 said:

i see motorists cutting bikes up all the time TIT. sad way to go.

Agreed, I wouldn't get on a bike in Thailand frankly, as the driving skills and training of the local population is not great. I have many friends who ride bikes here, most have had accidents and close shaves which they always claim was as a result of not being observed or cut up by other vehicles. Often bikers have too much faith in their own abilities to accept the simple fact it may not be their own actions that cause the accident that kills them or leaves them badly hurt. RIP Christian.

[catman20]

2 minutes ago, rufanuf said:

Agreed, I wouldn't get on a bike in Thailand frankly, as the driving skills and training of the local population is not great. I have many friends who ride bikes here, most have had accidents and close shaves which they always claim was as a result of not being observed or cut up by other vehicles. Often bikers have too much faith in their own abilities to accept the simple fact it may not be their own actions that cause the accident that kills them or leaves them badly hurt. RIP Christian.

very true

[thenoilif]

5 hours ago, pattayahenry said:

some drivers dont like to be overtaken on the wrong side, maybe someone wanted to stop him, and if you brake a heavy 1200cc bike in a sharp curve, exactly that happens. maybe he did not see the relatively sharp 90 degree bend, he was far to fast anyway.
btw,
in thailand a funeral is a place to be happy and funny, drinking lots of alcohol, playing loud musik for several days. if the victim were a thai, they would play this clip dozens of times at his funeral, children would ROFL about the crying in the car, and others would comment about the nice airplane in the background. they would tell jokes, like if my cow has such an infected leg, i would kill it anyway, and everybody would be laughing. that is thailand, and if you do not understand that mentality, better stay at home.
nothing is more superfluous than the stupid RIP comments, we are here in a different world, not in the west.

 

It's a social demographic thing. It's nothing to do with Thai culture specifically. You would see this among the less educated/sophisticated of most cultures. You also might see this when the person who died was a type that would appreciate such a joyous event.

 

I've been to a lot of Thai funerals and they are just as somber as any other that I've been to in the US, maybe even more so. 

We are currently going through a country-wide greiving period now and it's anything but celebratory. 

Edited February 28, 2017 by thenoilif

[Get Real]

20 hours ago, docphil said:

I love how people think 250cc is "big"

I know, but it´s just considered a big bike in Thailand. Due to that almost everybody drive a 125 cc, which people in the western world hardly like to call a motorbike. LOL
But sure. It´s silly funny.

 

[KhunBENQ]

11 hours ago, Shawn0000 said:

 

Why do you want to know what bike he was riding?

Are you serious?

I personally don't care at all. One can die on a 125 cc or on a 1200 cc.

But I have browsed through most all of the post with many disputes about the type of bike.

Hoping to end this I put the picture for the experts.

For me it's just "big".

[Get Real]

Just now, KhunBENQ said:

Are you serious?

I personally don't care at all. One can die on a 125 cc or on a 1200 cc.

But I have browsed through most all of the post with many disputes about the type of bike.

Yeah, that´s exactly the point. Far too many people want to classify bikes to much into big and small as soon as an accindent happens.
A 125 cc can go at a speed of 110 km/h
A 1200 cc can go at a speed of 110 km/h
In the view of an accident that´s all the same.

As a person with the right mindset would look at it. A big or small bike is not measured out of the size of the bike, but out of the qualifications and experiance of the driver to handle the size.
Therefore a 125-250 cc bike can be a big bike for the unexperianced, and a 900 cc a small one for the professional driver.

[Kabula]

19 hours ago, tpaul1 said:

As a motorcyclist, I can think of much more certain and easier ways to get the job done that hit an overpass barrier at a glancing blow.  However, I just thing this speculation is wrong, wrong wrong! Poor guy and poor family reading this thread

The family should be asking questions now if he had a life insurance policy. If life coverage was in force they need to hire their own accident Reconstructionist now, and prepare for a boiler plate, policy, denial of coverage based on an allegation of suicide.

 

The big red flag for me is a cry for help involving a medical condition as I recall. If he was taking prescription drugs, the insert should be examined for a suicide, side affect, warning.   Toxicology reports take a fair amount of time for all results to come in.  All friends should be interviewed and questions asked about depression, drugs he was taking, and if he ever talked about ending the pain.

 

Another concern I have is how the highway was constructed for water run off.  If the run off grade  slanted  to the left, his speed into a right hand, extended corner, combined with the slight grade, could have pushed him into the concrete barrier. The impact inertia on a slight downward grade could have forced him over the edge.  A video or photo of the grade can be deceiving depending on what lens was on the recording device. The grade has to be measured near the point of impact and before, and evaluated by an expert.

 

The motorcycle and clothing, any protective gear evidence should be placed in a locked, storage locker and examined by a expert engineer to be inspected for a product defect, sudden loss of tire pressure, weld/wheel break and more.

 

 The accident scene should be walked and measured with a steel tape, examined for foreign objects  on the roadway, skidmarks,  yaw marks, pot holes and surface separations.  Many photographs should be taken now and any evidence gathered. Highways do get resurfaced!

 

 If anything is suspicious on the motorcycle by no means should anyone start to dissemble it without a plaintiff attorney and all parties should wait for approval from a defense attorney.  All parties should be present during disassembling and videotaped.

 

To accept this was just another accident would be foolish for the decedent's family. Over the years I've seen millions of dollars awarded by a jury to families that asked questions and listened to spot on recommendations.

Edited February 28, 2017 by Kabula

[Bikeman93]

It might not be possible to have this type of accident on a Honda Wave as the leg guard would have contacted before the narrow tire and pushed the bike away from the wall (but maybe into traffic).

[mommysboy]

4 hours ago, rufanuf said:

Agreed, I wouldn't get on a bike in Thailand frankly, as the driving skills and training of the local population is not great. I have many friends who ride bikes here, most have had accidents and close shaves which they always claim was as a result of not being observed or cut up by other vehicles. Often bikers have too much faith in their own abilities to accept the simple fact it may not be their own actions that cause the accident that kills them or leaves them badly hurt. RIP Christian.

The roads are dangerous out here.  That's why I won't even drive a car.  I've toyed with the idea of getting a scooter, but when I look around an here stories I think again.

[mommysboy]

2 hours ago, thenoilif said:

It's a social demographic thing. It's nothing to do with Thai culture specifically. You would see this among the less educated/sophisticated of most cultures. You also might see this when the person who died was a type that would appreciate such a joyous event.

 

I've been to a lot of Thai funerals and they are just as somber as any other that I've been to in the US, maybe even more so. 

We are currently going through a country-wide greiving period now and it's anything but celebratory. 

I agree.  I've been to a few Thai funerals, and believe me close relatives don't sing, and dance, and knock back whisky. They do cry.  Others let rip, I'll give the poster that.

[Shawn0000]

2 hours ago, KhunBENQ said:

Are you serious?

I personally don't care at all. One can die on a 125 cc or on a 1200 cc.

But I have browsed through most all of the post with many disputes about the type of bike.

Hoping to end this I put the picture for the experts.

For me it's just "big".

 

Yeah, I was serious as I presumed you to be one of those concerned with the bike, you were one of the first posters, the 20th I think, however I do see that a couple people were arguing about the bike before you, personally I wouldn't have entertained that, I consider it both off topic and insensitive.

[marinediscoking]

6 hours ago, rufanuf said:

Ive been looking thru the posts to see if anyone had spotted the obvious and by page 3 still haven't seen it. If you watch the solid white line on the road, it is absolutely clear what happened. The driver of the car with the webcam is wandering across the white line, closing the gap for which the biker travelling faster needs to get thru, thus forcing him to get closer and closer to the curb and rail. At the point the biker comes into the cameras view he has just that split second hit the curb and been bounced off his bike and onto the rail. Its highly unlikely there was another car behind the one with the dashcam closing the gap on the biker that caused the accident as the biker would likely have already come off his wheels before the came into view. In other words the main cause of this accident (not withstanding the fact there should be no vehicles to the left of the solid white line) was the car with the dashcam itself.

Complete BS! The dashcam driver never went out of his lane, nor did he go over the white line as you claim! We will never know why he hit the barrier unless there is another video from a car behind. Like I said above I'v been riding sport bikes, here, in other counties and on race tracks for over 20 years. 

 

I will not speculate why he was on that side of the road, there is simply not enough information. However, I will say I would have NEVER even considered passing on a curve inside or outside even on a  level surface street, not to mention a bridge. There is ALWAYS dirt, sand and debris that can cause the tires to lose grip. 

Edited February 28, 2017 by marinediscoking
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[Mook23]

On Monday, February 27, 2017 at 7:12 AM, docphil said:

I love how people think 250cc is "big"

I have been called "big" too in thailand... the context was slightly different vut compared to somchais appendix i fully understand ??❤

[rufanuf]

3 hours ago, marinediscoking said:

Complete BS! The dashcam driver never went out of his lane, nor did he go over the white line as you claim! We will never know why he hit the barrier unless there is another video from a car behind. Like I said above I'v been riding sport bikes, here, in other counties and on race tracks for over 20 years. 

 

I will not speculate why he was on that side of the road, there is simply not enough information. However, I will say I would have NEVER even considered passing on a curve inside or outside even on a  level surface street, not to mention a bridge. There is ALWAYS dirt, sand and debris that can cause the tires to lose grip. 

 The car with the webcam clearly drifts from right to left on several occasions, as a result you can watch the white line travelling across the windscreen from left to right. What does that mean then clever clogs?

[marinediscoking]

38 minutes ago, rufanuf said:

 The car with the webcam clearly drifts from right to left on several occasions, as a result you can watch the white line travelling across the windscreen from left to right. What does that mean then clever clogs?

Have your eyes checked! The car is in its lane at all times! Nothing clever about it.

[sweatalot]

2 hours ago, marinediscoking said:

Have your eyes checked! The car is in its lane at all times! Nothing clever about it.

 The car with the webcam clearly drifts from right to left on several occasions, as a result you can watch the white line travelling across the windscreen from left to right

 

1. The camera view is different from the view of the driver,

2. The car is riding in a curve to the right, so it is natural that the white line... seems to be travelling from left to right

3. When the bike comes into view it seems to be in touch with the railing already

4. then the driver touched the wall and was decelerated by it more than the bike 

5 probably the leg or hip was in contact with the wall and this part of his body was stopped relatively to the upper part of the body, which by the law of inertia continued to travel forward

6. this way making him instable and after losing contact to the bike 

7. throwing him tangentially ahead

8. As this is happening in a curve he is jettisoned over the railing

 

So far the physics of his last moments

 

No explanation why he comes close to the railing, so that the bike touches it

Very unlikely to be a way to commit suicide

Edited February 28, 2017 by sweatalot

[gigman]

horrible ..our destination is unknown

[trogers]

On 2/28/2017 at 7:21 AM, catman20 said:

DENIAL is a great word to use here in Thailand i see grown men here all the time in this state about almost everything. 

It's not low IQ, but low EQ, that get most of these grown men into trouble...

[rufanuf]

On 2/28/2017 at 9:23 PM, sweatalot said:

 The car with the webcam clearly drifts from right to left on several occasions, as a result you can watch the white line travelling across the windscreen from left to right

 

1. The camera view is different from the view of the driver,

2. The car is riding in a curve to the right, so it is natural that the white line... seems to be travelling from left to right

3. When the bike comes into view it seems to be in touch with the railing already

4. then the driver touched the wall and was decelerated by it more than the bike 

5 probably the leg or hip was in contact with the wall and this part of his body was stopped relatively to the upper part of the body, which by the law of inertia continued to travel forward

6. this way making him instable and after losing contact to the bike 

7. throwing him tangentially ahead

8. As this is happening in a curve he is jettisoned over the railing

 

So far the physics of his last moments

 

No explanation why he comes close to the railing, so that the bike touches it

Very unlikely to be a way to commit suicide

 

OK Lets keep this simple.

 

1. The camera view is the view we have nothing more.

2. The camera is in a fixed location relative to the white line (its not a person swaying their head from left to right)

3. NO. Its not NATURAL for THREE (the white line, the camera, the point along the bottom of the screen where the white line leaves the cameras view)  fixed points in relation to each other to move from left to right regardless of whether the fixed location is moving a long a straight line or a curve. In fact its not even POSSIBLE. Go try it yourself! This can only happen if the vehicle is not at a fixed distance in the horizontal plane to white line (ie its drifting). OK we can debate whether the vehicle crosses the line or not...but it does not negate the fact the car was not at a fixed distance to the line, it drifts from right to left.

4. What is any bike riders natural reaction to trying to pass thru a dimishing gap that is being closed in from his right? To move further to the left of course!

5. Note the bumps in the road on the FAR LEFT. The poor guy obviously felt he had to move far enough to the left as a result of a gap closing in front of him from the right that he had to try and tackle this hump. He failed and his front wheel clipped the curb which would have instantly brought his bike bolt upright and the inertia of coming out of the bend so abrubptly is what thru him over the railing and is likely what caused his handlebar to get caught on the railing (at which point he's probably already left the bike)

6.. The rest of your points could well be accurate.

 

Edited March 2, 2017 by rufanuf